Trump signs order on police reform, but doesn't mention racism

A weak sauce response that I'm sure his supporters will lap up like it's fine champagne, but is really nothing. Like the oft-criticized laws here in Japan that have no enforcement teeth, Trump's EO has enough loopholes and lack of teeth to render it meaningless.

He refuses to accept, or move, on the underlying causes of the problem. Not just the systemic de facto racism in the American system, but the cultural problems amongst American police forces that has led to abuse of power and authority on multiple fronts. That these abuses have been felt and borne mostly visibly by the 'communities of color' in America doesn't mean that such abuses are throughout the system.

And I'm tired of this 'small percentage' argument about bad cops. First off, as case after case reveals, supposedly good cops aren't doing anything to get rid of the bad cops. They cover, they excuse, they shuffle them off to another precinct, or department, or wherever. Such actions makes 'good cops' complicit in the actions of the bad cops. Considering how often the 'blue wall' forms ranks to protect even their bad apples, it casts shame and dishonor on even so-called 'good cops.' Bluntly put, 'good cops' should be calling out and getting rid of the bad cops in their ranks, and not just when there are massive protests or public attention.

And even if we're talking only 1% of cops in America being 'bad,' that's still 8000 bad cops. That's a lot of bad cops. Considering the number of police who have quit, or resigned even in the face of blatant abuses of power because they are protesting someone in the 'blue wall' getting caught, I'd even say the percentage is higher.

We demand more of those tasked with carrying guns and given the power, literally, of life and death.

Not that Donald Trump would ever understand that. He only understands his bullying instincts, and the instinct to garner attention and the photo-op. That's all today was.

all I see is everyone applauding like seals for an executive order that is simply another photo op that will not make a scrap of difference. Just another day in the Donald Trump "look at me now" travelling circus....

But he made no mention of the roiling national debate over racism spawned by police killings of black men and women.

Trump the politician once again 'politicizing' (i.e. what politicians do in a nominal democracy like the US) and 'pandering' to his base (mostly from his demographic) by playing the 'race card'.

In addition to having been impeached, Trump's legacy will include mishandling the coronavirus (roughly 120,000 deaths and counting), a devastated economy that might never recover the stability it had during President Obama's terms, the loss of historical allies, and a country more divided along ethnic and class lines than at any time in modern history. Trump and his supporters (US and 'foreign') wanted him to tear the system down; on that he's accomplished his and their mission.

Apologies, I see I didn't type fully correctly above. When I said

That these abuses have been felt and borne mostly visibly by the 'communities of color' in America doesn't mean that such abuses are throughout the system.

What I meant to say is 'That these abuses have been felt and borne most visibly by the 'communities of color' in America doesn't mean that such abuses don't exist throughout the system. They do.'

Trump really should go back to 11th grade speech class. He simply cannot give a scripted speech with any authority, believability, and enthusiasm. He went off script briefly to utter an absurdity. Something about realizing how much we need the police. Some people he said. Want the police but don’t really know it. Or some ridiculous asinine off the cuff stupidity. God help us if he’s elected in November.

Trump met privately with the families of several black Americans killed in interactions with police before his Rose Garden signing ceremony, 

Those posters who constantly skwark that "all lives matter" and reminding us that white people get shot by the police too, will be working out what the new line is now that Trump is only meeting black families.

Police do not really care about your problems,some show up late, and will not even write up a report, police involved in a prosecution, do not look forward to been grilled by a criminal defense attorney

skwark

I had a momentary brain freeze regarding the spelling of 'squawk'. Apologies to anyone confused by this weird spelling!

Well, at least he's trying something. After months of nothing, it's... something.

Unfortunately, he's already burned too many bridges. He doesn't have the respect a leader requires to be able to unify the people.

Complete BS, Trump looking like he is doing something, did nothing, took photos... will blame someone else (most likely Obama) when nothing changes.

trump is just putting on a show.

A weak sauce response that I'm sure his supporters will lap up like it's fine champagne, but is really nothing. Like the oft-criticized laws here in Japan that have no enforcement teeth, Trump's EO has enough loopholes and lack of teeth to render it meaningless.

Ok, so liberals are complaining again, so what do you guys want?

He refuses to accept, or move, on the underlying causes of the problem. Not just the systemic de facto racism in the American system, but the cultural problems amongst American police forces that has led to abuse of power and authority on multiple fronts. That these abuses have been felt and borne mostly visibly by the 'communities of color' in America doesn't mean that such abuses are throughout the system.

I think if really want to tackle the racist problem, you need to start in the black home and parents and the overall black community should start teaching that the majority of whites aren’t racist. It is a problem and will always be here, but racism doesn’t just fall on one side only. Once you acknowledge that, the root causes the disparity starts with blacks.

And I'm tired of this 'small percentage' argument about bad cops. First off, as case after case reveals, supposedly good cops aren't doing anything to get rid of the bad cops. They cover, they excuse, they shuffle them off to another precinct, or department, or wherever. Such actions makes 'good cops' complicit in the actions of the bad cops. Considering how often the 'blue wall' forms ranks to protect even their bad apples, it casts shame and dishonor on even so-called 'good cops.' Bluntly put, 'good cops' should be calling out and getting rid of the bad cops in their ranks, and not just when there are massive protests or public attention.

That’s a bunch of BS! The majority of cops are good and law abiding. Now if you want to talk about good cops need to out more bad cops, I agree, but don’t pigeonhole all cops as a monolithic entity trying to go on a mission to kill blacks.

And even if we're talking only 1% of cops in America being 'bad,' that's still 8000 bad cops. That's a lot of bad cops. Considering the number of police who have quit, or resigned even in the face of blatant abuses of power because they are protesting someone in the 'blue wall' getting caught, I'd even say the percentage is higher.

What about the people they apprehend? They’re all innocent?

Not that Donald Trump would ever understand that.

Personal responsibility for some reason and putting all on the police is the problem.

He only understands his bullying instincts, and the instinct to garner attention and the photo-op. That's all today was.

But society should give in to the criminals because of political correctness? Seriously?

Par for the course, something else the left can complain about.

Want to combat racism? Start by not giving PC nut jobs a platform.

I think if really want to tackle the racist problem, you need to start in the black home and parents and the overall black community should start teaching that the majority of whites aren’t racist. It is a problem and will always be here, but racism doesn’t just fall on one side only. Once you acknowledge that, the root causes the disparity starts with blacks.

This attempt of an argument was the exact same one that William F. Buckley presented over 50 years ago in his debate with James Baldwin at Oxford... all the way back in 1963. It didn't hold water then, and it doesn't hold water now. So no, there is no 'acknowledgement' of 'that,' because it is patently false.

That’s a bunch of BS! The majority of cops are good and law abiding. Now if you want to talk about good cops need to out more bad cops, I agree, but don’t pigeonhole all cops as a monolithic entity trying to go on a mission to kill blacks.

First off, a job that carries guns on their hips, and can literally end someone's life, shouldn't have a 'majority' of them being good and law abiding. We hold plenty of jobs to standards higher than that. Airline pilots, doctors, and more have more rigorous standards, and they don't have a 'blue wall' protecting them. And nowhere did I state that all cops are on a mission to 'kill blacks.' I simply pointed out that the 'blue wall' will often hide and protect their so-called 'bad apples' on a regular basis, unless of course the case becomes one of national public attention. Even then, cops in general will close ranks.

If you think that even amongst cops there isn't acknowledgement of systemic racism in police culture however, read this article, written by a former FBI agent:

https://us.cnn.com/2020/06/08/opinions/black-police-fbi-racism-mcgregor/index.html

A notable quote from that story:

much like black kids who get "the talk" about how to act when they are pulled over by cops, this advice was the black cop version of "the talk" to avoid getting killed by one of our own. Apparently, it wouldn't matter that I wore a badge too -- and even the gold FBI badge at that -- I should expect to be treated like the same criminals I was empowered to arrest.

What's worse, while not surprised, is that when I asked my white FBI agent friends if they heard this same advice, all of them said no.

I encourage everyone to read the story. It's not that long, only a 5 minute read at most.

As for your other non-sequitirs and fallacious arguments, they don't even bear dismissing, they're so ridiculous.

I have been told that white kids are simply told to "comply" with the police so no "talk" is necessary or its a very short one.

There is no talk about what their "rights" are, what they can and cant dispute, whether a taser is a "weapon" or not, is it really ok to just run away in certain cases, fight back, etc. Its just too much information, why dont we just say "comply".

Only nine unarmed Black Americans were killed by police.

Do you know how many unarmed people who didnt resist and complied with instructions were killed?

Every single thing Trump does is for his own personal benefit.

That is not hyperbole - Every. Single. Thing.

“Americans know the truth: Without police there is chaos. Without law there is anarchy and without safety there is catastrophe," he said.

All of which he already created by him becoming your president.

is this such a critical issue in America? It is sure brought up a lot by liberals as some strange justification for #resistance. Why dont we just impeach him for this?

Calling for people to search for a non-existent sex video by a woman who criticized him probably didn't help either.

This attempt of an argument was the exact same one that William F. Buckley presented over 50 years ago in his debate with James Baldwin at Oxford... all the way back in 1963. It didn't hold water then, and it doesn't hold water now. So no, there is no 'acknowledgement' of 'that,' because it is patently false.

Yes, it holds water, there is a problem with racism, but to put it squarely by the feet of white people is simply crazy and wrong.

First off, a job that carries guns on their hips, and can literally end someone's life, shouldn't have a 'majority' of them being good and law abiding. We hold plenty of jobs to standards higher than that. Airline pilots, doctors, and more have more rigorous standards, and they don't have a 'blue wall' protecting them. And nowhere did I state that all cops are on a mission to 'kill blacks.'

Not you, but that's what the black community overwhelmingly.

I simply pointed out that the 'blue wall' will often hide and protect their so-called 'bad apples' on a regular basis, unless of course the case becomes one of national public attention. Even then, cops in general will close ranks.

I agree that should end.

As for your other non-sequitirs and fallacious arguments, they don't even bear dismissing, they're so ridiculous.

As most liberal childish outbursts....

With out enforcement and penalties, it is meaningless.

Yes, it holds water, there is a problem with racism, but to put it squarely by the feet of white people is simply crazy and wrong.

You can claim that it holds water, but it's been dismissed again and again and again for nearly 60 years. It's literally a worn out argument. I'd encourage you to re-watch Baldwin and Buckley debate, but I doubt you would.

Not you, but that's what the black community overwhelmingly.

Ah, so now you know what the 'black community' thinks? Overwhelmingly? Please tell me how. Let me guess, you draw on a few extremists who yell a lot, add a good daily dose of OAN or Tucker Carlson, and call it a day?

Then again, you can just throw some 'Obamas' a few 'liberals' and a couple of 'thugs' in there as your dismissal.

Police reform?

How about certain people not committing crimes, then resisting arrest, fighting with the arresting officers and taking their weapon...

He characterized the officers who have used excessive force as a “tiny” number of outliers among “trustworthy” police ranks.

Yeah, let's hear him say that about protesters.

bass4funk; I think if really want to tackle the racist problem, you need to start in the black home and parents and the overall black community should start teaching that the majority of whites aren’t racist. It is a problem and will always be here, but racism doesn’t just fall on one side only. Once you acknowledge that, the root causes the disparity starts with blacks.

You are a man who has, literally, and dozens of times, justified Trump not renting to black people because of the color of their skin.

well I think the argument was that they didnt need to shoot this person only because he took their taser and was firing it at them. Taser isnt a weapon, claimed the police haters. Didnt need to kill someone who was only "sleeping in the drive thru" But as with everything else Democrat and race baited, we get this too;

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-tasers-in/black-americans-disproportionately-die-in-police-taser-confrontations-idUSKBN23M16E

Black Americans disproportionately die in police Taser confrontations

So basically its a weapon in the hands of the police, but becomes harmless once a suspect has it.

Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the order “falls sadly and seriously short of what is required to combat the epidemic of racial injustice and police brutality that is murdering hundreds of Black Americans.”

And what are the Democrat's solution? They've had 60+ years to do so and nothing has changed. There has been numerous police reforms during the past 60+ years....and nothing has changed.

The Democrat's solution and reform is to NOT allow the police to interfere and arrest the person committing a crime, be it riot, looting, vandalism, assault, etc. And especially NOT INTERFERE AND APPREHEND when there a Black person involved.

If the police does not interfere, arrest or detain the suspect, then there is no police brutality. And if the police does not arrest, apprehend or detain a Black person, then there is no racial injustice.

Here's recent incident in Seattle outside the CHOP area. A man from the CHOP area broke into a auto repair shop in a "No-Cop Zone", stole money and attempted to set fire to the business. The owner called 9-1-1 nineteen times but the police did not immediately responded. The owner and son ran after the man and detained him. Protesters from the CHOP zone rushed toward the business, broke down a fence and demanded the owner release the man.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-business-owner-robbery-suspect-police-no-show

The police eventually arrived at the scene but remained at the periphery boundary, did not interfere or engage with the owner and protesters, and DID NOT APPREHEND THE SUSPECT.

Deadly use of force wasn’t needed to deal with a guy sleeping in his car on private property. The officer who killed him was fired.

Someone didn't watch the full bodycam video.

zichi

Watched the video and deadly force wasn't necessary 

Isn´t it great to chime in with wisdom from the safety of your keyboard. Are you sure what you would have done when someone suddenly attacks you, grabs your taser from your belt and fires the taser at you? Sure?

With adrenalin in your system and no time to sit back and ponder while having a cup of coffee and typing up an opinion?

I think if really want to tackle the racist problem, you need to start in the black home and parents and the overall black community should start teaching that the majority of whites aren’t racist. It is a problem and will always be here, but racism doesn’t just fall on one side only.

This is wrong. The largest population in the United States is white. 60%+. Blacks are about 13%. I am Asian American and Asians are approximately 6%. Racism will exists in any self-identified race, and while it is true that every race needs to have awareness, to believe the base problem will be alleviated in the far lesser black population, which has historically been wronged, is not the answer.

It begins with people in power, first and foremost not to abuse their position, and in fact, show how racism is not going to be allowed by them. That power is in the most populated white sector, in America. Power is and always will be the controlling entity, and that entity must be the one that initiates and maintains racial equality to the lesser populated.

Racism has to be alleviated by self awareness. For awhile, I thought most Americans were getting less racist, but lately, I think there are too many people who seem to justify they aren't racist, when, in fact, they show racial tendency to discriminate, and side with racists and their actions. Trump is a racist.

A person, president, or not, cannot state there are fine people on both sides, when a white supremacy rally occurs that kill and raise swastika symbols, without being considered a racist. The unawareness of saying such things in the moment is one only a racist person could say, and those who side with Trump, are promoting racism.

The conservatives, mostly white who elected Trump, often have racist ideas and leanings, that make their word they are not racist lack truth and no one with minority blood believes them.

Racism education starts with the majority of the population, and when that majority keeps blaming the lesser populated, more affected sector, and believe they should be the one's who must be educated...that white's are on the whole not racist, that's a ridiculous thing when in fact, many white's are ignorant or in denial about their own racism. Minorities look at that as being insincere and gaslighting.

Deadly use of force wasn’t needed to deal with a guy sleeping in his car on private property. The officer who killed him was fired.

They didn't shoot him when he was sleeping in the car. They arrested him, he stole the police officers taser and ran away. While the police were chasing him he turned around and fired the taser at the police. If a white guy did that, the same thing would have happened.

Watched the video and deadly force wasn't necessary the cop who killed him was fired speaks to that truth.

Only for political reasons.

Not that Donald Trump would ever understand that. He only understands his bullying instincts, and the instinct to garner attention and the photo-op. That's all today was.

The bullies are the black and white looters, arsonists and rioters that have nothing better to do with their lives than destroy other peoples personal property. Keep in mind those are the very same people that if harm came to them, they would be the first to call 911. So go ahead and de-fund the Police......Watch what happens.

systemic racism over decades.

Not the fault of Dems who have been in government 30-50 years, some of whom have never held any other job of note other than government employee. People who actually wrote the legislation back to the 1970s, Even Crime Bill of 1994 as an example. Nah, they had nothing to do with it.

Instead, lets blame the guy who just got there, who had no part in the creation of said "system".

So no mention of racism or of instituting a national program to weed out racist cops.

Geez. What a surprise.

do you really think "racist cops" is the problem here? All the actions that have happened over the years were driven only by the individual hatred of one white person of a black person standing in front of them?

If all cops were black, none of this would ever happen?

So the white people who are killed by police, what causes that?

You can claim that it holds water, but it's been dismissed again and again and again for nearly 60 years.

Due to Democrat toxic policies that have ravaged the black community.

It's literally a worn out argument.

It really is and sad they vote for the same failed policies again and again...

Ah, so now you know what the 'black community' thinks? Overwhelmingly?

Pretty much.

Please tell me how. Let me guess, you draw on a few extremists who yell a lot, add a good daily dose of OAN or Tucker Carlson, and call it a day? 

Please relax.

it sounds great, dont get me wrong.

Eliminate racism in policing and get rid of racist cops.

But what does that really mean and how do you do it?

Its just good sounding words of an honorable intention.

You are a man who has, literally, and dozens of times, justified Trump not renting to black people because of the color of their skin.

And clearly stated the reasons why in great detail.

And clearly stated the reasons why in great detail.

It should surprise no one that the most dishonest politician in US history has attracted so many like-minded followers. Fractals

And clearly stated the reasons why in great detail.

Agreed. I believe you said Trump's discrimination was justified in certain circumstances.

So no mention of racism or of instituting a national program to weed out racist cops.

Is there proof that George Floyd was killed due to racism? Not at this point. It could be the case - let’s see what the investigation determines. There are no laws in America that systemically discriminate against anyone - except affirmative action of course.

There is an historic divide that the Left is determined to maintain. The divide will not be bridged by a hyper focus on race. It can only be overcome by a hyper focus on commonalities. Those commonalities include a common nationality that has evolved tremendously over time. Black Americans are tremendously influential around the world. America is in the process of self immolation.

I am quite sure that white people are just as interested as Black people in police reform that prevents them from being killed by police. Its not like this is acceptable to the "white community" either, right?

The problem is the Blacks and their liberal Democrat supporters believe the solution to be: "When there is NO police force, then there won't be any racial injustice and police brutality."

Instead, perhaps the solution is to deploy only Black police forces in cities where there is a majority of Black people. However, the BLM leader Hawk Newsome believes that when Blacks join the Police, they are no longer Blacks; they are Blue.

The root problem is that Blacks, as a group, refuse to live with the the law. They are taught from the beginning that the law are the White Man's Law and that the White Man's Laws are racial and unjust. They don't have to obey the White Man's laws. (These are not my words, these are Malcolm X's words. For the uninformed, Malcolm X is BLACK). They are encouraged to break the White Man's laws. "If the White Man can't clean his house up, then he shouldn't have a house; it should catch on fire and burn." And any interference from the White Man's police is police brutality and racial injustice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uYWDyYNUg

Why is there no "racial injustice" and "police brutality" complaints from the ASIAN communities? Perhaps because they are taught to respect the law and live within the law, support law and order and cooperate with the police? The Asians, being "minorities" themselves are respected as good citizens and admired for their self-discipline and accomplishments....all without the White Man's help.

Perhaps the Black communities should look at the Asian communities and learn from them.

The Black communities need to learn that whatever a Black person does is a reflection on ALL Blacks; whenever a Black person breaks the law, it reflects poorly on all Black people. The Black people must have the self-discipline to correct their behavioral problems. They must be accountable to themselves and be responsible for their actions. Lastly, they must educate themselves and solve their own problems, instead of demanding the white people solve it for them. (Again, Malcolm X and Bill Cosby ---- BOTH BLACKS, are advocates this)

And clearly stated the reasons why in great detail.

Yes: the reason is racism.

sunfunbun

A person, president, or not, cannot state there are fine people on both sides, when a white supremacy rally occurs that kill and raise swastika symbols, without being considered a racist.

That is fake news, and even the fake mainstream media have stopped repeating it. Can we please finally bury this?

Did you really think he'd address racism with his record speaking for itself?

Trump is a racist. He won't do anything about that factor. No way, no how.

It should surprise no one that the most dishonest politician in US history has attracted so many like-minded followers. Fractals

Liberals hold the cards when it comes to sheer unabridged and raw dishonesty. Even Billy Joel couldn’t fix it.

Agreed. I believe you said Trump's discrimination was justified in certain circumstances.

I don’t think they were discriminatory given the circumstances in NYC at the time in the late 70’s and early 80’s

Yes: the reason is racism.

Not like the Democrat policies that destroyed the black communities across the US.

That is fake news

Something about the old story of the boy calling wolf. Trying to remember who posted accounts of the man in Buffalo pushed over by police

Isn't it interesting that every Trump supporter here is blaming Black Americans for the racism they face every day....

And they fail to condemn Confederate flags being waved at Trump rallies and by Trump supporters everywhere...

And they support and defend a President that said some white supremacists were "very fine people"...

And a President that gave the nation's highest civilian honor to someone who told a Black American female to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back"....

It seems obvious, except those most blinded, where the problem lies...

It seems obvious, except those most blinded, where the problem lies...

If you've worked with lots of South African whites, you'd hear similar things said.

That is fake news, and even the fake mainstream media have stopped repeating it. Can we please finally bury this?

It isn't fake news.

Trump can't say anything about racism, because people will rightly bring up his birtherism comments.

Isn't it interesting that every Trump supporter here is blaming Black Americans for the racism they face every day....

HalwickToday  01:15 pm JST

The truth is they are. 

BINGO! And there you have it - a clear admission.

Well thanks for that - there's no longer any need to debate - Trump supporters blame Black Americans for all the racism they've experienced, and continue to experience.

Now we know why there are all those Confederate flags get flown with Trump 2020 banners...

David Duke gives you a thumbs up...

The average militant-minded Black Americans refuse to obey the (white man's) law and believe they should be able to break the white man's laws whenever they feel like it. And when the (white) police interferes with them or prevents them from breaking the law, it's "police brutality and racial injustice" accusations.

This is literally "black people should be subservient to white men". And it's an opinion that JT not only tolerates, but encourages.

No wonder GPlusMedia hasn't said "black lives matter”. They don’t believe that they do.

birtherism isnt racist- as it was also brought up for Ted Cruz and John McCain. Being born in the USA is a requirement to be President under the Constitution. So proof is needed for everyone.

So lets focus on actual racism in policing? not some campaign thing back to when Hillary was trying to win against Obama?

Trump can't say anything about racism, because people will rightly bring up his birtherism comments.

Isn't it interesting that every Trump supporter here is blaming Black Americans for the racism they face every day....

Trump haters are excusing blacks equally discriminate and fail to condemn those that profit off their government dependency. This is how the Democrats stay strong and stay in power.

And they fail to condemn Confederate flags being waved at Trump rallies and by Trump supporters everywhere...

So if a black southern waves a flag, he’s racist? Towards?

And they support and defend a President that said some white supremacists were "very fine people"...

As well as the Antifa goons.

And a President that gave the nation's highest civilian honor to someone who told a Black American female to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back"....

Yes, the problems with liberals is very deep.

First, you need to remove this clown.

todays word twistings brought to you by the people who say "defund the police" doesnt really mean......defund the police. dont be ridiculous!

It just means take the money from the police and place it somewhere else. I didnt rob you, I just took all your money from your wallet and placed it in mine. You should still be able to buy stuff without all your money....somehow.