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Here we go again. Another day of Trump supporters and their manufactured outrage.

Dollars to doughnuts, the same posters will be on this thread incorrectly making claims such as the Dems haven't done anything on border security despite it being the republicans who killed two immigration reform bills in 2013, crossings south to north having plummeted under Obama, and Obama having deported more undocumented immigrants than any other president.

We'll also undoubtedly get the false equivalency between a wall around a house and a wall along a border.

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I'm sorry, but does Cadet Bonespurs realize just how much of a fool he is at this point?

You keep woofin', Bonespurs. You keep selling those wolf tickets.

The problem is, every day fewer and fewer people are buying them.

You're a coward who's unwilling to put his neck on the line... but that's the only move you have left.

You can't dodge this draft.

You can't pin the blame on anyone else.

You can't shirk, declare bankruptcy, and try to emerge later in a revamped polished image.

You can't spin, deflect, or in any other way do anything but do what you've refused to do your entire life: Be a man and stand up.

On the other hand, you have done one thing you're used to doing, albeit unwittingly.

This epic failure of a presidency is, like most of your failed ventures, branded with your name all over it.

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This epic failure of a presidency is, like most of your failed ventures, branded with your name all over it.

And we know he's been a failure at business because he would be richer now if he had simply held on to the land he inherited instead of trying to do business deals.

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This isn't about the DEMOCRATIC House taking a break. They aren't causing this shutdown.

it is about the REPUBLICAN SENATE refusing to govern. Mitch McConnell once again prevented government from working FOR "we the people".

He is a THIEF of democracy.

However, if we really need to blame anyone, this is on EVERY Republican voter. Yes. your stupid right wing neighbor inflicted all of this on the nation.

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Trumpets bleat on and on about a wall and border security - but they just proved they’re all talk and don’t actually care about it. The gofundme campaign failed to meet its goal, so they’re refunding the money. They had a target of $1 billion, of which they got only 1/5 of that. Weak. I thought these people cared about border security. It’s all talk.

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Here we go again. Another day of Trump supporters and their manufactured outrage. 

Dollars to doughnuts, the same posters will be on this thread incorrectly making claims such as the Dems haven't done anything on border security despite it being the republicans who killed two immigration reform bills in 2013, crossings south to north having plummeted under Obama, and Obama having deported more undocumented immigrants than any other president.

We'll also undoubtedly get the false equivalency between a wall around a house and a wall along a border.

“Manufactured?” Interesting how all liberals and their msm lapdogs are using that same word. Tell that to the family of officer Singh. A real American who came in legally.

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/423372-sheriff-end-political-vitriol-solve-immigration-to-honor-officer-singh

Amazing, the Democrats want Everything, but want to give Trump nothing. Yeah, that works. Smh

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5281807/Chilling-courtroom-outburst-man-admits-killing-cops.html

https://www.inquisitr.com/4071658/how-many-of-our-police-officers-have-been-killed-by-illegal-aliens/

I dare any Democrat to go to these families and tell them to their face their outrage is manufactured, I want to see these Democrats tell the parents of Kate Steinle and other Angel parents that their anger and suffering is a manufactured outrage, I want to see Democrats talk to the people along the border that have had numerous of break ins and illegal aliens running through their properties or leaving trash, needles and other junk. I want to see Democrats take aggressive action to stop the incursions of illegals coming into this country, I want to see the Democrats take action against a new growing threat of a caravan that is assembling as we speak and from the looks of it will be a few thousand strong. I want the Democrats to uphold their promise from 2013 and join with the President because they wanted the exact same thing. I want the Democrats to stop being girlie-men and come up with a solution and not just talk....always.

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As I predicted, the Republicans are starting to buckle.

Trump rejects shutdown deal Republicans negotiated with Republicans

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-rejects-shutdown-deal-republicans-negotiated-republicans

But just like with healthcare, the party is such a mess they can’t even come to an agreement with themselves. And yet they’re trying to blame the democrats for the lack of a deal.

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“Manufactured?” Interesting how all liberals and their msm lapdogs are using that same word

Bass just figured out how language works! People using a word with an agreed upon meaning, to describe something that fits that meaning, so that others can comprehend what they are talking about.

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I want the Democrats to uphold their promise from 2013 

Speaking of 2013, why did your party hate border security in 2013?

According to Manchin, he urged Kushner to craft a shutdown compromise based on the 2013 comprehensive immigration reform bill, which passed the Senate with strong bipartisan support but **failed when the Republican House leadership would not bring it to the floor for a vote**.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kushner-reaches-congress-shutdown-daca-wall-gains-steam-150857865.html

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The US is on the verge of becoming a failed state.

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As I predicted, the Republicans are starting to buckle.

Trump rejects shutdown deal Republicans negotiated with Republicans

Buckle? When it comes to dealing with the Washington rhinos, I hope so.

Maddow....oh, lol.

But just like with healthcare, the party is such a mess they can’t even come to an agreement with themselves. And yet they’re trying to blame the democrats for the lack of a deal. 

It’s like a bunch of meth heads callibt a smoker a junkie.

The Democrats really have nothing to talk about, they are not a cohesive party, you have the moderates fighting with the new radical socialist they can’t even come to unified consensus on many issues. These crazies have lurched so far, far, far to the left. They will tear the party apart. The GOP is not always the most functional party, they definitely have their share of problems, but the Democrats have a growing fissure and a time bomb that will slowly go off sooner rather than later.

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The US is on the verge of becoming a failed state.

But Trump and his supporters in the US and 'abroad' said all along they wanted to undermine US systems. Which they're doing.

One of the problems with that is they have nothing to replace the systems with, hence Trump pushing for even more distractions, e.g. the ongoing wall debacle, from his failures.

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This isn't about the DEMOCRATIC House taking a break. They aren't causing this shutdown.

They're not at all helping it, not at all.

it is about the REPUBLICAN SENATE refusing to govern. Mitch McConnell once again prevented government from working FOR "we the people".

The Democrats are not helping the President end the shutdown, you talk about leadership...ok, so let’s see the Democrats own this and take the initiative and end the shutdown and do something. They should lead by example and help this President and then take all the credit.

He is a THIEF of democracy.

However, if we really need to blame anyone, this is on EVERY Republican voter. Yes. your stupid right wing neighbor inflicted all of this on the nation.

Well, so many voters feel the same about the Democrats. Hate always goes both ways.

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They're not at all helping it, not at all.

They’ve passed a bill to get the government open, and they’ve attempted to meet with Trump to talk. But they’re not willing to waste $25 million on a wall that the people don’t want.

Trump storms out of meetings, won’t worh with his own party, and “negotiates” through tweets.

The people blame trump.

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The world laughs, and laughs hard at Americans

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I just read this somewhere else and it’s spot on:

He’s a weak negotiator. Art of the deal? More like foot-stomp and squeal. If Trump were a shrewd dealmaker, he’d find ways to get what he wants on the wall while giving Democrats a way to say they won, too. Successful deals normally involve each side getting something they want and each side giving up something they want. But Trump is just making demands and fulminating when they’re not met.

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They’ve passed a bill to get the government open, and they’ve attempted to meet with Trump to talk. But they’re not willing to waste $25 million on a wall that the people don’t want. 

Trump storms out of meetings, won’t worh with his own party, and “negotiates” through tweets

That the Democrats don’t want and who cares what some idiot in Rhode Island thinks? Amazing how some Americans living nowhere near the border have opinions on us that live in border States. And he should walk out, don’t want to fund the wall and the Adams family don’t want to fund the wall, he should walk out.

What? Once again someone shows their lack of understanding of US democracy. Which is consistent coming from a poster consistently arguing for its demise.

Actually, it’s the other way around...sadly..

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Amazing how some Americans living nowhere near the border have opinions on us that live in border States.

It’s amazing that a country works like a country? You’re just figuring that out now?

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The world laughs, and laughs hard at Americans

American's already laugh hard at other American's too... you'd be surprised about how many here comprehend irony, and hubris.

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No surprise here. It was fun watching him yesterday say, "Obviously I never meant they'll write a check and pay directly" but you can still see "They can pay a one time payment of 5 - 10 billion" on his website. Haha. It's funny watching the Trumpettes support him and saying "Well, he didn't LIE, he MEANT..." but his own words contradict them at every turn.

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It’s amazing that a country works like a country? You’re just figuring that out now?

Yes, but the point is, we don’t need to hear the opinion of people that live as far as Maine to tell us that border security is not an issue. They don’t have to worry about anything up there, except maybe some rabid polar bear or something.

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The great negotiator failing again. When he realized his bluff of a national emergency won't work, he's backing off.

No President has been humiliated so much in such a short time in recent history.

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but the point is, we don’t need to hear the opinion of people that live as far as Maine

Got it. You want a country to NOT act like a country.

Seems legit.

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bass: The Democrats are not helping the President end the shutdown

The Democrats created legislation to fund the other parts of the government. Does Trump need help lifting the pen and signing? Or did you mean help Trump as in giving in to his 11th hour demands after a deal was already reached? That's his own mess.

Amazing how some Americans living nowhere near the border have opinions on us that live in border States

I live near the border full time. You were once a part-time resident of Orange County when you were a kid and now live in Japan. Based on your pecking order, whose opinion is more relevant?

“Manufactured?”

Yes, manufactured. The Senate passed the spending bills 100-0 with the support of Trump. Now Trump is against it and the Senate won't even hold a vote. In 2 weeks we went from having a deal to a national emergency. So yeah, smells manufactured.

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Things are only going to get worse for the GOP. We will soon start seeing stories of families struggling to get by and GOP Senators will be asked why we can't fund the Coast Guard and they'll say, "Uh...because border security is too important?"

"The easy solution is for me to call a national emergency. I could do that very quickly," Trump said during a White House event on border security. "I have the absolute right to do it. But I'm not going to do it so fast. Because this is something Congress should do."

Translation: My lawyers told me I would lose in court.

Trump already has threatened to withhold disaster-recovery approved in the wake of California wildfires.

Ummmm....ok? Why would a President stop disaster recovery spending because of an unrelated issue? It's illogical.

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Here we go again. Another day of Trump supporters and their manufactured outrage.

Very true - we're mirroring the movie Ground Hog Day as the Trumpers here have given up addressing any of the facts that are posted and just reply with random, Russian-manufactured, pro-Trump talking points that have nothing to do with the fact that Trump;

Said Mexico will pay for the wall - "mark my words, mark my words"...

Said he would accept blame for the shutdown and told Schumer to his face he "wouldn't blame him"...

The Trump Shutdown has significantly increased the threat to our country by not paying our TSA and Coast Guard professionals who secure our air and sea ports where 99% of terrorists try to enter...

The Food and Drug Admin, and Agriculture Dept are closed threatening our food supply....

800K federal workers not paid...

The Trump Shutdown - maybe his way of distracting from fact that his former Campaign Chairman has admitted to colluding with Russians...

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So now it’s Trump’s responsibility to win by making it look like Dems didn’t lose?

why don’t Dems try that? There is a way to fund full border security at the requested level without giving Trump a “win”. They can focus on it that they did it to give the American people a “win”.

if they would just stop saying no and making it all about that Trump must politically lose at all costs. No matter the negative impact to people Dems will give Trump nothing he can claim as a “win”, that’s childish.

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The people are starting to get angry.

National Air Traffic Controllers Association sues Trump over shutdown

https://www.axios.com/national-air-traffic-controllers-organization-sues-trump-over-shutdown-8ace32b4-7b9b-434f-8886-093621452663.html

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So now it’s Trump’s responsibility to win by making it look like Dems didn’t lose?

Oh, are you just learning now how negotiation works?

Well your leader doesn’t understand how it works either, so I can’t be too surprised that you didn’t.

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if they would just stop saying no and making it all about that Trump must politically lose at all costs. No matter the negative impact to people Dems will give Trump nothing he can claim as a “win”, that’s childish.

I enjoy the irony that you don’t even realize you just condemned your own team’s actions of eight years of Obama.

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All you have right now is “walls don’t work”, with “but Russia” anytime you start losing badly like now.

If walls don’t work, why are all the areas with walls at the border so safe and the places where all the drugs and illegals are caught.

if walls don’t work, why aren’t we removing the ineffective walls already at the border? Aren’t those walls immoral too? Or just new ones?

If walls don’t work, there is no negative impact to people trying to illegal enter, so they shouldn’t mind if we build them no?

If walls don’t work wouldn’t you non Americans here be happy we are wasting our money while doing something that doesn’t make our country stronger and safer?

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Don’t care about Obama. Really don’t. He got his unconstitutional DACA and Obamacare anyway. So Trump can get his wall, anyway.

Obama was no one special to be the only one who can use any/all presidential powers available to the elected President to get done what he feels is best.

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And Flag is still asking why the Democrats aren’t negotiation, in complete ignorance of how Dear Leader has clearly spelled out that it’s his own responsibility to negotiate:

If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength."

"when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president."

“FACT – the reason why Americans have to worry about a government shutdown is because Obama refuses to pass a budget.”

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Trump has compromised several times already to help Chuck and Nancy “save face”. Hey, it’s ok I will let you call it a fence instead of a wall if that helps you. You can say Mexico is paying for it through the trade deal if that helps you.

They still saying no, so it’s time for them to be exposed as the clowns they are. In negotiations, Sometime a win/win is fine, sometimes you just crush the other side with your powers that they don’t have.I feel a crushing coming on.

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All you have right now is “walls don’t work”

Ahh, I think I see the problem. You saw the word ‘ineffectual’ and thought it meant ‘doesn’t work at all’.

I suggest a dictionary when you don’t understand the big words.

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"I have the absolute right to do it. But I'm not going to do it so fast. Because this is something Congress should do."

Trump removing himself from the equation.  "It's not my fault.  It's Congress you should be blaming".

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Does anyone know where Trump stands on the wall now in terms of how it will be made? He's scaled it down from 2,000 miles, right?

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Don’t care about Obama. Really don’t.

Good for you.

But nice attempt at trying to get out of having to take any accountability for your teams actions for eight years, while whining about how you think the other team doing it to you now.

Sorry, you didn’t think we were just going to stop bringing up your actions because you don’t care about Obama, did you? That would be a pretty silly expectation.

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Trump has compromised several times already to help Chuck and Nancy “save face”.

Chuck and Nancy didn’t promise Mexico would pay for it. Neither did they shut down the government. And they are doing their best to negotiate with someone who doesn’t know how to.

They have nothing to save face about.

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Yes, but the point is, we don’t need to hear the opinion of people that live as far as Maine to tell us that border security is not an issue. They don’t have to worry about anything up there, except maybe some rabid polar bear or something.

FACT: During the six month period surveyed in 2018, only six (6) non-US suspects on the terror watch list were found at the southern border - forty-one (41) were found at the northern border...

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-hannity-trump-border-wall-terrorists-1286195

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Trumpers seemed obsessed with winning/losing and humiliation, so lets see what real humiliation looks like;

"Mexico will pay for the wall, mark my words, mark my words" - had to come out yesterday and admit that was just a pure lie...

Agrees to sign the Repub approved funding bill in Dec until he's humiliated by Ingram, Malkin and Limbaugh and flip-flops...

"I'll accept responsibility for the shutdown, I'll accept the mantle, I'll be proud to"....another pure lie as he flip-flops again and tries to blame the Democrats...

"It will be a pre-caste concrete wall", "It will be a steel-slat wall", "It will be a fence". It will be a barrier"... More caving than Fred Flintstone...

Google two words - "Orange" and "Humiliation" - Trump pops up...

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Oh so now walls work “some”? Ok in that case let’s build the wall and get the positive result of “some” more security.

I thought the narrative was that walls give NO improvement?

Liberals and the moving goalposts.

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Only 6 terrorists in 6 months. And that’s just at the places where there is a wall. We don’t know how many walked through where there is no wall.

That’s supposed to prove your point more security isn’t necessary? All you did was prove a wall on the northern border is needed too.

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Oh so now walls work “some”?

Finally! You seem to be getting the grasp of the word 'ineffectual'.

Ok in that case let’s build the wall and get the positive result of “some” more security.

Or instead, spend the money in an fiscally responsible, efficient manner, rather than wasting it on a solution to a problem that a 7-year old would have come up with.

I thought the narrative was that walls give NO improvement?

Yeah, you regularly read people's posts and take them to mean what you want to mean, rather than reading what the person is actually saying. So it doesn't surprise me that the narrative no one ever put forward is what you thought the narrative was.

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That’s supposed to prove your point more security isn’t necessary?

Whom are you railing against? No one has said security isn't necessary. That's why the Democrats agreed with the Republicans when the Republicans first put forward a number of $1.3 billion.

Once again you're arguing what you wanted people's words to mean, rather than what people actually said. Then you manufacture outrage against it.

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@blacklabe I thought the narrative was that walls give NO improvement?

I don't recall anyone saying that.

Only polar 'reasoners', those who can only see things in polar opposites, those unable to understand there's lots of gray between black and white, those who are propagandists and partisan extremists would say someone said NO improvement.

The arguments I've heard from those opposing Trump's shiny squirrel have been based on the wall's (or whatever he's calling it today) cost-effectiveness, on principles of diminishing returns, on Trump usurping authority, on Trump using the issue to distract from the ONGOING MUELLER INVESTIGATIONS. Among others.

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imagine me believing that when people say “walls dont work” that really means they are ineffectual (nice new word) and actually do work some.

So the “we got ladders” guy here is really saying that some ladders work some of the time against some walls.

Interesting. I thought he was saying the existence of ladders negates the entire concept of a wall. (Which IS what you are saying. Well were saying before this new goalpost).

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@blacklab So the “we got ladders” guy here is really saying that some ladders work some of the time against some walls

Thank you for reinforcing my point:

Only polar 'reasoners', those who can only see things in polar opposites, those unable to understand there's lots of gray between black and white, those who are propagandists and partisan extremists would say someone said NO improvement.

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bass4funk: "Yes, but the point is, we don’t need to hear the opinion of people that live as far as Maine to tell us that border security is not an issue."

It's good you can admit you've just figured out the US is a country (not a dictatorship led by a moron), but you do realize that means Maine can also provide input, especially when they are affected by the NATIONAL shutdown, right? So, yes, you do need to hear those people's opinions, too, and can't just ignore what you Don't like and listen only to Fox and Friends (although even they are bashing the president now, which probably has him crying even more).

How do you live with defeding the man's blatant lies? And Don't say they aren't lies because I'll give you plenty of examples that are flat out lies, again, with even Fox Calling him out on them.

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I dare any Democrat to go to these families and tell them to their face their outrage is manufactured, I want to see these Democrats tell the parents of Kate Steinle and other Angel parents that their anger and suffering is a manufactured outrage, I want to see Democrats talk to the people along the border that have had numerous of break ins and illegal aliens running through their properties or leaving trash, needles and other junk. I want to see Democrats take aggressive action to stop the incursions of illegals coming into this country, I want to see the Democrats take action against a new growing threat of a caravan that is assembling as we speak and from the looks of it will be a few thousand strong. I want the Democrats to uphold their promise from 2013 and join with the President because they wanted the exact same thing. I want the Democrats to stop being girlie-men and come up with a solution and not just talk....always.

Why didn't the Republican Congress provide the funds for a Trump wall?

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imagine me believing that when people say “walls dont work” that really means they are ineffectual (nice new word) and actually do work some.

I wonder which comments you read to mean what you wanted them to say, rather than what they actually said, that led you to this faulty conclusion.

Keep the manufactured outrage coming.

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Hannity killing your team right now about your new favorite word “manufactured” by showing actual people murdered by illegal immigrants. It’s pretty real to their families, nothing manufactured at all. Build the wall.

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People saying “Walls don’t work” to back their opinion that a wall shouldn’t be built seemed pretty clear.

So we are making progress now that ladders and shovels can no longer be used as the only rationale why a wall shouldn’t be built.

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Hannity killing your team right now about your new favorite word “manufactured” by showing actual people murdered by illegal immigrants. It’s pretty real to their families, nothing manufactured at all. Build the wall.

Aww, and now your retreating into your binary world where the only way to show you are for border security is to fund a boondoggle of a wall.

Meanwhile the adults continue to hold a nuanced opinion on the matter.

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People saying “Walls don’t work” to back their opinion that a wall shouldn’t be built seemed pretty clear.

Given your history of twisting comments into something they never meant in the first place to match your hyper partisan binary world view, I am extremely skeptical that what was actually said has the same meaning as you just tried to report they did.

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Yes because walls work now. I’m glad we have cleared that up. There is no manufactured crisis or manufactured outrage. These things happened and are real.

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So multiple people here has ever said over and over there walls don’t work, I got my ladder, I got my shovel, people can climb over.

So why are you guys against the wall again? Just cost now? Or to not let Trump “win”? A vague, it’s not “effective enough”?

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Yes because walls work now.

They're ineffectual.

There is no manufactured crisis or manufactured outrage.

The numbers show that the crisis is manufactured, and therefore the outrage is manufactured.

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So multiple people here has ever said over and over there walls don’t work, I got my ladder, I got my shovel, people can climb over.

You claimed they were saying this in your last post:

People saying “Walls don’t work”

Now you're pointing out how they said something different, to show how walls are ineffectual.

As I suspected, you were twisting what they said to mean what you wanted them to mean, rather than what they were actually saying.

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So why are you guys against the wall again? Just cost now?

Um, because it's a solution a 7-year old, without any knowledge of how the world actually works, would have come up with.

I'd rather go with the solutions of the adults in the room.

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We didn’t say walls don’t work, we said they are ineffectual!

You ignore the fact that “doesn’t work” and “ineffectual” mean the exact.same.thing

nice vague explanation of why you don’t want a wall. I just don’t know how the world works, huh? Can you be any more vague?

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The Democrats created legislation to fund the other parts of the government.

I understand, got it, so what about sealing the border? Again, what are the Democrats willing to do, we get the 30 year talking points, but what will they do to STOP the incursion of illegals and now to this new growing caravan?

> I live near the border full time. You were once a part-time resident of Orange County when you were a kid and now live in Japan. Based on your pecking order, whose opinion is more relevant?

I go there twice a year, so since liberals think illegals are not a problem judging by how they govern Los Angeles ans the surrounding areas as well as San Francisco, I would say, mine.

Yes, manufactured.

Another talking point that oddly every liberal, Democrat and media pundit keeps repeating.

Mexico doesnt think it’s manufactured, the families of Officer Singh and Kate Steinle don’t think it’s manufactured, the border patrol officers that were murdered along the border don’t think it’s manufactured, the major of Tijuana doesn’t think it’s manufactured, the videos on YouTube of people fighting with the Mexican police or the people trying to break and climb their way into this country is not manufactured, but the media and the Democrats say it’s manufactured and we have to believe them over the people that have suffered through this?

Well, I’ll say this, the Democrats do try so very hard. ROFL! I’ll give them that.

The Senate passed the spending bills 100-0 with the support of Trump. Now Trump is against it and the Senate won't even hold a vote. In 2 weeks we went from having a deal to a national emergency.

The only thing that is manufactured is the crocodile tears of Democrats wanting to paint an illusion that they are so concerned about the border. Look, the Democrats are as concerned about the border as Republicans are about healthcare for all. Just let’s be honest, just for once.

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I understand, got it, so what about sealing the border? Again, what are the Democrats willing to do

Every time you ask, people answer, and you keep pretending that you don't know the answer, since it shows how delusional your team is.

I live near the border full time. You were once a part-time resident of Orange County when you were a kid and now live in Japan. Based on your pecking order, whose opinion is more relevant?

I go there twice a year

You didn't answer the question. If the opinions of Maine people are less relevant than those who live near the border, how does your opinion as someone who lives in another continent have any bearing whatsoever over his, when he lives near the border full time?

Oh, you weren't expecting us to not point out your illogical stances were you?

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Meanwhile I want a wall because if it prevents even 1 illegal immigrant from entering our country it’s worth it. or if it saves the life of even 1 US citizen who won’t be murdered by an illegal it’s worth the cost.

No vagueness at all in what we want. That’s how my world works. All done here.

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Meanwhile I want a wall because if it prevents even 1 illegal immigrant from entering our country it’s worth it. or if it saves the life of even 1 US citizen who won’t be murdered by an illegal it’s worth the cost.

No vagueness at all in what we want.

How odd that the Republican Congress, working with a Republican president, didn't find a way to provide it before they lost their majority. You'd have thought that if the wall was really that important, the vote should have sailed through.

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It's good you can admit you've just figured out the US is a country (not a dictatorship led by a moron),

But we have moronic Democrats so we are at a serious political conundrum.

but you do realize that means Maine can also provide input, especially when they are affected by the NATIONAL shutdown, right? So, yes, you do need to hear those people's opinions, too, and can't just ignore what you Don't like and listen only to Fox and Friends (although even they are bashing the president now, which probably has him crying even more). 

Maine can give an input, but I find it ridiculous for anyone that doesn’t live on, near or around the border to tell the, what they need or don’t need. It’s just ridiculous, not to mention a bit insulting.

How do you live with defeding the man's blatant lies?

All my life I dealt with Democrats lies, so if you stack them alot together, Trump is a white dwarf.

And Don't say they aren't lies because I'll give you plenty of examples that are flat out lies, again, with even Fox Calling him out on them.

And they also call out liberal lies as well.

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Meanwhile I want a wall because if it prevents even 1 illegal immigrant from entering our country it’s worth it. or if it saves the life of even 1 US citizen who won’t be murdered by an illegal it’s worth the cost.

Which is an emotional decision rather than a rational decision. The rational decision would be to spend $25 billion on catching as any illegals as possible, rather than $25/illegal.

No vagueness at all in what we want. That’s how my world works.

Not vague at all. Only it's about as realistic as unicorns.

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Maine can give an input, but I find it ridiculous for anyone that doesn’t live on, near or around the border to tell the, what they need or don’t need.

Says someone who doesn't live on, near, or around the border. To someone who does (superlib).

It’s just ridiculous, not to mention a bit insulting.

You don't say...

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I repeat it even though they ignore me because of my bad English.

As a Latino, I am outraged at the behavior of my Latino peers, we are the world's latrine, dirty, unscrupulous, irresponsible, corrupt and do not hesitate to choose as leaders of our countries the most diseased and rotten luminaries of our society, and what we do to solve the problem? Are we looking for compliance with the laws? We seek to educate ourselves and work hard for our countries to be better places for our children? Do we strongly reprimand those who corrupt our society? Nooo, on the contrary, we are the first to ruin our countries! either by being participants in the destructive culture or by crossing their arms in front of it.

And instead of seeking to improve, we flee from our responsibilities and we throw ourselves at the doors of other countries that "yes" make an effort to be better and to top it off! We run over foreign nations with arrogance and arrogance demanding things that we ourselves could have in our own countries if we put a minimum of effort!

And for more barbarism! We accuse without shame, of the worst things to the authorities of those countries for wanting to justifiably prevent us from entering into compliance with "their" internal laws, laws which also have our own countries of origin and which, at least they correctly fulfill!

It is disgusting how we are rotten to be so ungrateful for the millions and millions of dollars taken from the pockets of citizens of more advanced countries, that it comes to us in the form of aid and we squander them in stupidities through the great politicians who " we have chosen.

It is disgusting to see how within these advanced countries, there are sick and lost people who support with total brazenness to my congeners on the detriment of their own people with the sole purpose of obtaining personal political returns and paying favors to interested third parties within their parties ( Democrats) and out of them (Ted Turner etc.)

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Says someone who doesn't live on, near, or around the border.

70 min. Close enough, family there, close enough, registered to vote in the State, close enough, so yeah, more experience and more insights and rights to make that assertion over someone that’s from Ohio.

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@bas4 Maine can give an input, but I find it ridiculous for anyone that doesn’t live on, near or around the border to tell the, what they need or don’t need. It’s just ridiculous, not to mention a bit insulting.

Democratic systems are a struggle to understand, especially for those favoring dictatorial leadership. How about the opinions (and legal rights) of the border's private property owners?

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2019-01-09/texas-landowners-dig-in-to-fight-trumps-border-wall

https://www.curbed.com/2017/5/8/15559110/trump-wall-mexico-border-eminent-domain

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Democratic systems are a struggle to understand, especially for those favoring dictatorial leadership.

Socialists?

How about the opinions (and legal rights) of the border's private property owners?

The majority of them do want border security, some in some areas don’t feel threatened especially the ones that don’t live near the high entry points.

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What is Congress waiting for???!!!

This criminal is not to be trusted, he's not cooperating with the Legislative and Judicial branches, he's acting like a 5-year-old.

IMPEACH HIM NOW!

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and make it easier for a future Democratic president to bypass Capitol Hill.

yep even the minions can see the writing on the (pun intended) just imagine a declared national emergency for gun control and healthcare, now that would be karma on a whole new level.

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...all liberals and their msm lapdogs...

I suppose it must be difficult or unpleasant for certain people to try and grasp the concept that the "msm" has liberal inclinations because most Americans also have liberal inclinations, as evidenced by recent presidential and congressional elections. Don't be in a minority if you don't like the media giving most people what they want.

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We all know how this will end. Trump will declare a "national emergency," expropriate funds from actual national emergencies in locations he doesn't like (California), declare victory, and sign the Dem's bills. Meanwhile, the wall will be tied up in court and eventually forgotten.

Trump does have an interest in drawing this out, though: Every day spent on this farce is another distracted from his growing scandals. Still, it's akin to shifting debt from one credit card to another.

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It’s not only Trump who has that ability.

actually, Trump who stated hes own this shutdown can end it, either by compromise and making a deal, as is normal in any democratic country, or become dictatorial and declare a fake national emergency to steal the funds from the military. I don't even think Trump would be that stupid, will set a precedent for the next Dem POTUS to declare a national emergency on say gun control or healthcare.

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70 min. Close enough, family there, close enough, registered to vote in the State, close enough, so yeah, more experience and more insights and rights to make that assertion over someone that’s from Ohio.

Everyone in the United States, even undocumented immigrants, have the exact same rights to make assertions; it's called the First Amendment.

It's been hilarious reading the rightists on this thread have their arses handed to them by Stranger!

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These crazies have lurched so far, far, far to the left

Again with the far left BS. Tell me Bass, have you ever seen actual socialism in practice? Have you ever experienced socialism like, at all? Have you ever visited let alone lived in a socialist country. Well i have, as i have mentioned that before on another article and i can tell you from experience, not only are Ocasio Cortez and Bernie Sanders not far right at all, if you compare them to my former leader Josip Broz Tito they don't even come close. Like, universes apart

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far right

I meant far left. Ops

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Tell me Bass, have you ever seen actual socialism in practice?

Considering his infatuation with the US military, it's certain that he has.

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"have you ever seen actual socialism in practice?"

Venezuela comes to mind.

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I suppose it must be difficult or unpleasant for certain people to try and grasp the concept that the "msm" has liberal inclinations because most Americans also have liberal inclinations, as evidenced by recent presidential and congressional elections.

Yes, but as of now the Democrats are setting themselves up for another 2010 downfall if they keep going with their socialist trajectory path.

Don't be in a minority if you don't like the media giving most people what they want

The media has been liberally dominated for over 60 years, the liberals conrnered that market, but then again, they do horribly in print and radio, so......

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Everyone in the United States, even undocumented immigrants, have the exact same rights to make assertions; it's called the First Amendment.

No, illegal aliens do not.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/undocumented-immigrant-made-term-ignores-the-law

https://www.cultureoflife.org/2018/01/16/illegal-immigrants-constitutional-rights/

*The U.S. Constitution recognizes the humanity of all people who are present within its borders, regardless of whether they enter legally or illegally, are temporary or permanent. Undocumented immigrants are constitutional “persons,” *but they do not have all the rights of a U.S. citizen.

Again with the far left BS. Tell me Bass, have you ever seen actual socialism in practice?

Have you ever experienced socialism like, at all? Have you ever visited let alone lived in a socialist country.

Yes, yes and yes.

Well i have, as i have mentioned that before on another article and i can tell you from experience, not only are Ocasio Cortez and Bernie Sanders not far right at all, if you compare them to my former leader Josip Broz Tito they don't even come close. Like, universes apart

Ok, that’s your opinion, I disagree, but back on point, their ideas of wanting to punish the job creators is a disaster waiting to happen especially in a country as big as ours. 70% taxation. Ocasio-Cortez is an idiot, a beautiful woman, but an idiot nonetheless. I will give her credit though, she does talk about socialism in a very shy and innocent almost pleasant way. But her socialist economic platform would never work let alone get through Congress.

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their ideas of wanting to punish the job creators is a disaster waiting to happen especially in a country as big as ours

What job creators do they wanna punish exactly? Taxing the incredibly rich more than the poor is not punishing job creators

Yes, yes and yes.

I'm curious to know which socialist country you lived in. And Venezuela doesn't count

Ok, that’s your opinion, I disagree

I'm sorry, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. Because i lived there, and still do live in that part of the world where former Yugoslavia was and you know what? Yes we didn't have much freedom of speech or freedom of choice but we were happy. The former Yugoslav countries are subpar compared to back then. I'm not saying this to say that socialism is awesome, i'm saying it to get it through your thick head that Sanders and Cortez are not socialists, they're Democratic socialists at best

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What job creators do they wanna punish exactly? Taxing the incredibly rich more than the poor is not punishing job creators

Like how much is enough for you guys? 70%? Higher? When is enough, enough? You are punishing job creators, the more taxes you make me pay, the more I have to make cuts somewhere else....employee salaries...equipment.

I'm sorry, that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

No, I disagree, that’s your opinion and I don’t agree with it.

Because i lived there, and still do live in that part of the world where former Yugoslavia was and you know what? Yes we didn't have much freedom of speech or freedom of choice but we were happy. The former Yugoslav countries are subpar compared to back then. I'm not saying this to say that socialism is awesome, i'm saying it to get it through your thick head that Sanders and Cortez are not socialists, they're Democratic socialists at best.

Ok, let’s just say to put the argument to rest, they aren’t capitalists, they’re not for free markets, they don’t like capitalism, are they Communists that just leaves one other system....so wonder what that could be?

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Like how much is enough for you guys? 70%? Higher?

You're not getting taxed 70%, don't give me that BS. Even in the Soviet Union people weren't taxed 70 damn percent you shameless liar. And while Sanders and Cortez aren't exactly fan of uncontrolled and full blown capitalism like you are they're far from anti capitalist. In fact Sanders has a lot of policies that line up with Trump when it comes to trade. They're 2 sides of the same coin. One is a right wing populist, the other is a left wing populist

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Trumpee is a pauper who has filled his coppers with the idiot voters who voted for him and beyond.

Think for those who voted for him why he never shows his taxes not because he is rich it is because he lives on the skin of his teeth.

Now here he goes again, not giving a rats arse about the little people just is so-called GOLDEN IMAGE, LOL.

Those who voted for him I hope many of them are not getting paychecks this month and are happy embracing Trumee's wall that wont keep anyone out.  Five BILLION, that could be spent on hiring people, putting up cameras and more up to date technology.  

Well, my sympathy goes out to all those who did not vote republican and or for Trump and pray that you get your paychecks back soon.  I also pray that one of those salads Trump eats or grapes has not been FDA inspected and he gets deathly sick.

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You're not getting taxed 70%, don't give me that BS.

No, but Ocasio-Cortez wants that and will push for it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/ocasio-cortez-70percent-idea-is-just-the-start-of-the-democratic-tax-debate.html

Even in the Soviet Union people weren't taxed 70 damn percent you shameless liar.

Sorry, I’m not.

And while Sanders and Cortez aren't exactly fan of uncontrolled and full blown capitalism like you are they're far from anti capitalist. In fact Sanders has a lot of policies that line up with Trump when it comes to trade. They're 2 sides of the same coin. One is a right wing populist, the other is a left wing populist.

They are complete anti-capitalists, they are complete socialists, both believe in income redistribution, both believe in huge government entitlements, far, far from anything remotely resembling capitalism. No thanks! That’s the last thing this country needs is another California socialist entitlement echo chamber.

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No, but Ocasio-Cortez wants that and will push for it.

"Ocasio-Cortez didn’t propose taking 70 percent of anyone’s income. She suggested applying the rate only to earnings beyond $10 million, meaning those affected would pay a much lower share of their income overall"

so basically over 99% of the US population wont be effected by her proposal

you shameless liar. Sorry, I’m not.

liar maybe not, but not stating all the facts and just the ones that you want people to hear. at least you not as bad as Trump yet , who just flat out lies constantly

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She suggested applying the rate only to earnings beyond $10 million, meaning those affected would pay a much lower share of their income overall"

That’s just as bad, so how much is too much for liberals?

so basically over 99% of the US population wont be effected by her proposal

But the main job creators will and you don’t want that or they will seek cheaper labor and we already have an immigration problem

you shameless liar. Sorry, I’m not.

liar maybe not, but not stating all the facts and just the ones that you want people to hear. at least you not as bad as Trump yet , who just flat out lies constantly

I disagree, I think the Democrats and the media by far are the absolute worst when it comes to that.

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That’s just as bad, so how much is too much for liberals?

Dude, you really need to turn off Fox news.

Calm down, there's no emergency, in fact there are more walls/fences etc that ever before and apprehensions are way down from where they once were.

And by the way, 70% marginal tax rate on incomes over 10 million, why do you even care? You make nowhere near that and never will.

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Dude, you really need to turn off Fox news. 

I watch OAN

Calm down, there's no emergency,

https://youtu.be/l4B5xv38tXk

but it gets better....

https://youtu.be/l4B5xv38tXk

And by the way, 70% marginal tax rate on incomes over 10 million, why do you even care? You make nowhere near that and never will.

I’m sorry, I care, I don’t waste money, number one rule of accumulating wealth. Who are liberals to dictate to the rest of us Americans how much we are allowed to have or not to have.

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Who are liberals to dictate to the rest of us Americans how much we are allowed to have or not to have.

They aren't.

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> They aren't.

Oh, thank God, then we don’t have to worry about that idiot trying propose taxing me 70%, Good to know

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