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Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin; Trump files suits, requests vote recounts

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Trump sure doesn’t sound as confident today as he did two days ago. Didn’t you Trump supporters promise us a red wave, landslide victory for your boy?

46 ( +56 / -10 )

Another undemocratic move by the farcical current occupant of the White House.

How much more damage is he going to inflict on the United States of America.

46 ( +56 / -10 )

Not even Moscow Mitch agreed with Trump on the vote counting.

42 ( +51 / -9 )

A desperate man flailing, fighting, finding something, anything, to hang onto to give him hope in his final moments.

It would be better to look away and ignore the sight.

It was good to see President-elect Biden behaving like a true gentleman.

41 ( +51 / -10 )

AP have been extremely reliable so far. Trump is nearly finished.

Karma for 2000, fellas!

25 ( +35 / -10 )

Their have been reports of dumped and abandoned ballots not mentioned (of course) in the JT article (why not?)

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/fbi-investigates-ballots-for-trump-found-in-pennsylvania-garbage/

-27 ( +16 / -43 )

Biden just won Michigan - all he needs now is hold his lead in Nevada and is all over.

27 ( +35 / -8 )

Trumps world and that of his sick family is starting to crumble. No candidate in US history has ever achieved more votes than Biden/Harris, and they have every right to be cautiously optimistic, so long as EVERY vote is counted.

As for Trump..."Lock him up, Lock him up, Lock him up!"

27 ( +35 / -8 )

If Trump can’t grab the election through the vote or courts, he has a third plan:

Trump campaign officials and legal advisers told The Atlantic on the record that they had been working with state officials to appoint their own electors as a way to secure victory in a tight election, a move which would precipitate a certain constitutional crisis.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/even-kavanaugh-gets-elections-experts-235244406.html

4 ( +14 / -10 )

As expected, when things don't go Trump's way, the lawyers come out as he has a hissy fit. It's not likely to help though, Pennsylvania has flipped without the votes from after the election day and recounts rarely succeed.

11 ( +19 / -8 )

> Their have been reports of dumped and abandoned ballots not mentioned (of course) in the JT article (why not?)

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/fbi-investigates-ballots-for-trump-found-in-pennsylvania-garbage/

Probably because 9 ballots could easily be accidentally discarded. Not to mention two of them may not have been for Trump. Why wouldn’t the person who tossed the ballots have checked them all if he/she was trying to rob Trump of votes? Let’s use a bit of common sense instead of trying to push the voter fraud angle.

19 ( +28 / -9 )

There have been reports of Bill and Ted using their time-phonebooth to sneak off with Trump ballots because he is impossibly more repulsive in the future. Not mentioned (of course) this side of the Rio Grande because the fifteen miles of fresh wall is just that amazing...

8 ( +15 / -7 )

When you can't win the right way, you do everything you can to steal it. I can't wait for this sleazy piece of **** to get booted out.

20 ( +29 / -9 )

Just watching the press conference of greaseball Giuliani. He is on the verge of tears, acting like a 6 year old throwing a tantrum. Surely America is better than this?

19 ( +28 / -9 )

Hi guys. As promised I’m back.

Tip of the hat to black and bass. It was a lot closer than I expected.

biden is on track to win by a lot less than I expected.

6 ( +16 / -10 )

Just over 12 hours ago, Trump supporters were jubilantly claiming victory for Trump.

Today I bathe in their tears.

After months of predicting a landslide for Trump, it is all coming down to a loss - a pretty small one for such a bad president, but it is time for him to start packing his bags.

I will have the popcorn out for the legal wrangles, but the attempts so far are so flimsy that there will be no real sport for the spectators.

14 ( +22 / -8 )

Current Predicted EC seats Biden 243 Trump 214.

pop vote Biden 51.5%. Trump 48.3%.

Michigan goes Biden.

14 ( +23 / -9 )

Barr, McConnell etal have worked hard to appoint judges at all levels who they thought would favor their brand of authoritarianism.

Knock wood wherever these cases are heard the decisions will favor democracy.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

It’s a circus and not a very entertaining one.

16 ( +21 / -5 )

Quoting this article as an example of voter fraud is as stupid, and frivolous, as Trump’s lawsuits. An article from September saying that NINE ballots, for both Trump and Biden, we’re found accidentally thrown in the trash. Ridiculous!

Just count the all ballots and declare the winner. If that’s Biden then it’s Biden, likewise if it’s Trump then it’s Trump.

Trump’s reaction to losing will be remembered for a very very long time as future generations look back at the worst president in history of the America.

12 ( +19 / -7 )

Oh wow, what an epic loser!

16 ( +23 / -7 )

And Joe Biden with the comeback victory!

Give it up Trump, the American public resoundingly voted you out, losing both the popular and electoral vote.

Now is the time for our nation to start healing again.

10 ( +17 / -7 )

Far too many anti-Trump people prematurely declaring victory here.

-14 ( +9 / -23 )

It’s a circus and not a very entertaining one.

Tissue??:.

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

Trump is quite literally a dictator trying to pull a coup.

16 ( +23 / -7 )

Biden hasn’t completely won yet, there are still votes to count.

But the reaction of Trump is similar to what we regularly see in fragile African democracies. sad !

21 ( +26 / -5 )

Trump is quite literally a dictator trying to pull a coup.

Maybe that’s the “red wave” we’ve been hearing so much about.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

If it's not safe to send cash through the mail in the US, why would anybody think voting by mail would be in any way secure?

-19 ( +8 / -27 )

@RealDonaldTrump twit:

They are finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!

This one could be stuck in the U bend for some time.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Trump’s reaction to losing will be remembered for a very very long time as future generations look back at the worst president in history of the America.

Exactly. Regardless of what will happen next, you expect an incumbent President of the United States of America to show better behavior to the prospect of defeat. It is not the first time nor it will be the last time that an incumbent president is defeated. The way he came out to say that he won when the counting was nowhere near finished yet was already embarrassing, but his reaction to a losing situation is even worse.

Let the counting be done. The PEOPLE always decide.

17 ( +21 / -4 )

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/fbi-investigates-ballots-for-trump-found-in-pennsylvania-garbage/

2020/09/24

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Thank you!

9 ( +18 / -9 )

Glad to see Trump making himself look like nothing more than a pathetically sore loser.

Kudos to Biden for not making an ass of himself by declaring victory before the count is done, but the math is pretty clear by now. Trump is toast.

18 ( +22 / -4 )

Trump has embarrassed the forefathers of the country and constitution with his behavior.What is also an indictment is that the people would want such a man as a leader.He has openly flaunted terrible,outrageous disregard for anyone beyond family and his loyal cronies.Trump is officially a two bit dictator wanna be that has brought the presidency into disrepute.Trump has shown us who he is and half the American electorate have shown us how they are.

15 ( +19 / -4 )

you're fired

18 ( +22 / -4 )

Far too many anti-Trump people prematurely declaring victory here.

Having read yesterday's thread, where people prematurely called a victory for Trump, you may have a point. But the reversal of fortune that Trump needs now would be pretty miraculous.

Remember what people were saying yesterday?

@aleef

Biden has lost. He has no path to victory at all.

@theResident

Biden has (sadly) lost. Its just noise now. He would have been remembered a lot better if he had just conceded gracefully.

@Tangerine2000

Counting should never be halted. It leaves lots of room for foul play.

(obviously didn't read the script)

@Blacklabel

Poor liberals. Your +8 polls all turned into nonsense.

17 ( +21 / -4 )

Trump sues in Pennsylvania, Michigan; asks for Wisconsin recount

He should and has every right to do so. Almost half of America supports Trump, that a pretty big chunk of the voting block. Has nothing to do with your like or dis-like of a particular candidate.

-17 ( +10 / -27 )

Pennsylvania is going Biden.

10 ( +17 / -7 )

Biden one more state out of four remaining, Trump needs all four. Trump's last stand to sue lie blame conspiracy lawyer up and waste everyone's time, much like the trolls here. There is no grace only spew

That's all they have now

10 ( +16 / -6 )

He should and has every right to do so. Almost half of America supports Trump, that a pretty big chunk of the voting block. 

Almost half. Yup.

12 ( +15 / -3 )

Trump is quite literally a dictator trying to pull a coup.

Trump is "quite literally" NOT a dictator. He has every right, as does the other side to contest the election.

Geez, these comments.........

-20 ( +9 / -29 )

There are irregularities in the voting and balloting process which have to be investigated!

-26 ( +7 / -33 )

The con-man at it again?

Didn't expect anything else from the bully.

Sue, deny, divide, refuse, there's so many words that can describe him and his actions.

Now he hopes that his (superior) court buddies will help him.

Good luck with that. At least they (those judges) should display enough decency in their ruling (if there is one)!

12 ( +17 / -5 )

What a disgraceful. dead-ender Potus, unpresidential to the very finish! Lock him up!

16 ( +21 / -5 )

So unpresidential!

12 ( +18 / -6 )

NV let's go!

8 ( +11 / -3 )

There are irregularities in the voting and balloting process which have to be investigated!

And they will be throughly investigated. How would your country handle voting irregularities?

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Viva Las Vegas! Nevada for the win.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Do you really think Trump cares if he wins or loses? He will get all the PERKS of being former a president and enjoy his life unlike most of us including myself. Rejoice.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

As I wrote yesterday, Biden will be the 46th. Good riddance to the orang, his enablers. What a real idiocy of self, ego and division that has been finished by The People. An incumbent that FAILED. A loser. Bye!

12 ( +15 / -3 )

Looks like Trump's team put all their cards into suing Pennsylvania including stacking the Supreme Court to rule again on a possible case that might be revisited to throw mail-in ballots out.

Meanwhile Nevada is all Biden needs, so it's not going to matter. Whoops.

States under their own states' laws generally have a lot more time to certify their results as well. Notice how all the precincts are at like 85 to 90%? Nobody is finished. Is he going to sue every state?

USA is just used to TV calling the prediction not actually waiting for every last count in reality.

This is gorgeous, a reality star, has to wait for reality

He can sue, sure, keep reminding a nation that he can't accept reality, but it won't do anything but ensure his failure.

The football should be transferred to the speaker for safekeeping so Trump cannot manufacture a "crisis"

6 ( +9 / -3 )

When will it be clear who is the winner?

American Elections are too complicated to understand.

Yesterday Trump seems to be the winner, today Biden seems to be the winner...what is going on?

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

There are irregularities in the voting and balloting process which have to be investigated!

For example?

Just saying something and repeating what Trump says doesn't make it true.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Biden's won Michigan and is edging closer in Georgia. It's all over bar the shouting!

PTownsendToday 08:06 am JST

There are irregularities in the voting and balloting process which have to be investigated!

And they will be throughly investigated. How would your country handle voting irregularities?

They don't have elections on Fantasy Island.

11 ( +16 / -5 )

Trump is "quite literally" NOT a dictator. He has every right, as does the other side to contest the election.

Come on, man!

A president has every right to do anything he wants, but no other president, except Trump, disrespects and tries to take advantage of that power for himself and break presidential protocol for self interest, in lieu of democracy.

He may not be a dictator by pure definition, but his actions are very much of an autocrat and a fascist.

11 ( +16 / -5 )

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324108200141082624?s=19

Trump's latest Tweet where he is claiming every state going, including Michigan, where he believes the result to be fraudulent.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

The rule though is that whenever there's less than 1 % gap between candidates, the vote recount is automatic. Don't much understand what Trump is trying to do here.

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kurisupisuToday  06:38 am JST

Their have been reports of dumped and abandoned ballots not mentioned (of course) in the JT article (why not?)

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/fbi-investigates-ballots-for-trump-found-in-pennsylvania-garbage/

If you want to be taken seriously I advise against posting links to New York Post articles.

kurisupisuToday  07:51 am JST

There are irregularities in the voting and balloting process which have to be investigated!

Is it going to be very hard for you to admit that you feel a bit of a fool after all that "Trump is going to win" stuff?

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Trump sues in Pennsylvania, Michigan; asks for Wisconsin recount

He should and has every right to do so. Almost half of America supports Trump, that a pretty big chunk of the voting block. Has nothing to do with your like or dis-like of a particular candidate.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

yakyakToday  08:33 am JST

"Trump sues in Pennsylvania, Michigan; asks for Wisconsin recount"

He should and has every right to do so. 

Yes, if there's convincing evidence of foul play. Has Trump produced any? Otherwise he's wasting his lawyers' and the courts' time.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

He should and has every right to do so. Almost half of America supports Trump,

He only should do if there is clear evidence of voter fraud. There is none so all he is trying to do is disrupt the democratic process and disenfranchise voters because he has lost.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Lawsuit for what? Just accept that your losses to the "settle for Biden" campaign.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Do you really think Trump cares if he wins or loses? 

He's a child. Of course he cares if he loses, he deems those who get captured in war a loser as an insult to McCain. A true loser voted by the people of America who have deemed him inadequate in his four years as president? He's crying, for sure.

Besides his own immature emotion, all the lawsuits on criminal activity he has done not being protected by the presidency, will be something he knows will happen. It exacerbates his fears and anger.

Oh, and no one will care about his ridiculous tweets because instead of the POTUS, it'll just be another deranged crazy who flew over the cuckoo's nest. He hates being completely ignored, and that'll happen when he loses. Yes, the tweets meaning absolutely nothing is probably what is most infuriating to the worst president ever.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Almost half of America supports Trump, that a pretty big chunk of the voting block.

You knew the rules before the game started. Almost is not enough.

No need for ‘insecurity mode’, see the ‘light on the hill’.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Go Biden! Go Kamala!

Less racism, misogyny, fascism, lies and snake oil sales! More critical thought and truth!

9 ( +14 / -5 )

What isn’t unexpected is Trump and his supporters screeching without evidence of voter fraud. One earlier posted a link to an article from September 24th to demonstrate there was voter fraud happening now.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

November 5th is a day when British celebrate the failure of a treasonous attempt to overthrow the political system.

I expect quite a few Guy Fawkes burnt tonight will have big yellow hair.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

There could be more activity coming from Georgia's Fulton County (Atlanta Metropolitan). Officials there expect to report additional votes.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

a drowning man will clutch at a straw

today's idiom to teach in class.

In other news, just watching live news. Fulton county Georgia - they just counted 4000 mail in ballots in the past hour. Biden got 3600 of them. Seems to be a trend right now. No wonder Trumplestiltskin is stomping his feet right now, screaming: "not fair!"

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Fox News gives Arizona to Biden. 264-214, Biden. Go Nevada!

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Wow! Just when I was bracing for 4 more years of Trump...

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Not sure why Fox News is giving Arizona to Biden. Way too many votes left to count. I still call the entire election a toss-up with a possible Trump victory if he does take AZ.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Suspect I’m gonna get downvoted by both sides for this, but there may be one thing we all have to agree on, there was no “landslide” either way

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Not sure why Fox News is giving Arizona to Biden. Way too many votes left to count. I still call the entire election a toss-up with a possible Trump victory if he does take AZ.

Agreed. Not sure why the AP is also calling Arizona for Biden.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Not sure why Fox News is giving Arizona to Biden. Way too many votes left to count. I still call the entire election a toss-up with a possible Trump victory if he does take AZ.

Probably because what is left for counting are mail-in ballots. Those were ordered in a large majority by registered Democratic voters. AP already called AZ that during the middle of the night on that same basis.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Donald Trump needs to walk away, this 59th quadrennial presidential election has become the most grievous ghastly messy spectacle imaginable. Creating a heinous political poison chalice.

Joe Biden will be the next President in name only. Joe Biden will be relentlessly cajoled and harangued by a legion of democrat progressives to adhere without question following their policies and agenda.

Joe Biden is no match for Elizabeth Warren., and the Squad.  

If Election fraud has been suspected.

52 U.S. Code § 20511.....

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/20511

To detect and prove would be insurmountable.

There is no system in place. The pandemic has offered multiple paths/means of ballot voting.

The methodology and resource to detect is fool’s errand. Authorities would still be wading through the extrapolations up until and past the next US election 2024.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Another empty suit, yay.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

@kuru. You are very right. I’ve never seen an election so close,

As a previous poster said; results less than 1% will generate a recount and it should be done even if it takes time.

The U.S. is a ticking time bomb Right now and if things are not done meticulously either losing side might explode and trigger violence like we have not seen yet.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Me, yesterday: Trump wants to stop the counting of votes. This is as antidemocratic as it gets.

Right wing JT posters: No, he just wants to stop “voting”, not counting. Paranoid much?

Trump: I am suing to stop votes being counted, while my supporters try to break into counts to stop them.

RWJTP: Yeah well that’s good, the votes shouldn’t be counted.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

All readers, please control your emotions and refrain from gloating, making claims of voter fraud and badmouthing other readers because of their political views. Best for everyone to wait and see how the results unfold.

Keeping suing - count all legal votes. Fight Dems changing the rules during the game. resist.

-15 ( +3 / -18 )

Win some, lose some, that is life, before the pandemic, let alone after.

Be smart, not bitter, move on. I bet on Trump to win, there is a likelihood now I will forfeit the stake.

Life goes on.....

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Probably because what is left for counting are mail-in ballots. Those were ordered in a large majority by registered Democratic voters. AP already called AZ that during the middle of the night on that same basis.

Yes, this is why.

Where the votes are uncounted is why the declarations are made early. Late count votes are heavily democratic, this year because of the mail in ballots.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Now even Trump and his acolytes can read the writing on the (blue) wall!

The Dems must now step up to the plate and restore the health of the republic which they themselves had a hand in compromising with their abandonment of blue-collar Americans and minorities.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

ModeratorToday  09:25 am JST

All readers, please control your emotions and refrain from gloating, making claims of voter fraud and badmouthing other readers because of their political views.

A little late to be asking for this given it’s been rampant on JT for years now.

Best for everyone to wait and see how the results unfold.

Sound advice.

5 ( +10 / -5 )

refrain from gloating

I don't think anyone is gloating, I think it's pure relief that democracy still might survive over fascism in the USA.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

Probably because what is left for counting are mail-in ballots. Those were ordered in a large majority by registered Democratic voters. AP already called AZ that during the middle of the night on that same basis.

That's the typical case, but Arizona has some odd metrics are in play. More of the late votes have been Republican, not Democrat. What's helping Biden is that Independents are voting for him and they represent a large 33% of voters. We will get an update on the voting in 90 minutes, then again at 12:30 AM AZ time. Still too close for FOX to call IMHO.

Surprisingly hopeful news for Biden fans is that the gap in Pennsylvania is being closed at a rate where the outstanding votes could give it to Biden.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

I woke up this morning.

And the sun was shining. What a beautiful day!

superlib:

Check out: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

And click on Arizona on the map. Most of the uncounted votes are in the two most populous counties which contain Tucson and Phoenix. And Trump is sinking without a trace there.

Same with Nevada. Still plenty of votes to be counted in the large urban areas like Reno and Las Vegas. And Biden is sweeping up the votes there.

Having said that, it ain't over till it's over. Take nothing for granted. And you can bet the man-child will do anything to delegitimize the results. He knows he's going to jail once he leaves the White House.

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wolfpack:

Keeping suing - count all legal votes.

You really what to do that? Because you're going see the Dems win even more votes. Voter suppression always works against the Dems.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

The circus sure is entertaining till the end.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

My political view and voice of democracy is that in the US presidents are not elected they are selected.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

I just feel bad that Biden has to deal with McConnell and other repubs, can you say stalemate and no progress due to political bickering and animosities?

I really do not see much progress at least for the first few years of President Biden's administration.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Wow, Trump is only winning Pennsylvania by 200,000 now.

"And click on Arizona on the map. Most of the uncounted votes are in the two most populous counties which contain Tucson and Phoenix. And Trump is sinking without a trace there."

I gotcha. But from FiveThirtyEight:

"For instance, the party registration breakdown of the votes that came in Monday and Tuesday was: 23 percent Democratic, 44 percent Republican, and 33 percent independent or other parties. That is to say, a 21-point GOP edge, which would put Trump on track to tie things up."

Those are the votes they are counting now.

Like I said I think the Independents will give it to Biden but it's just not your typical scenario and I'll feel better if the next round of results hold up.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

My political view and voice of democracy is that in the US presidents are not elected they are selected.

Then you have no idea what your voice is talking about as your statement is contradictory to democracy.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

If in the end, Trump is defeated, then he should accept it gracefully (which I sincerely doubt is going to happen). If he somehow, through a slim chance, wins through litigation, it will leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth. It will be a win with an asterisk.

In any case, him complaining about the delay in counting mail-in ballots should be directed at the Republican legislators who delayed counting of the ballots because they voted against counting them early ahead of election day.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

If things hash out that Joe Biden wins, congratulations to him and best of luck.

But so far, we have only learned the following;

a/ the only prognosticators who got the election right were the ones who predicted increasing mail ballots would result in chaos.

b/ the divide in the US is more urban/rural than was thought before, not necessarily black/white/hispanic

c/ people spend too much time worrying about politics

0 ( +5 / -5 )

Of course if Trump loses it’s a huge loss to the blue collar worker, love the guy, but if these ballots are true and we will know soon, there are a lot of uncounted ballots in many rural areas, areas where conservatives live who say there votes weren’t counted, if there needs to be a recount, then let it happen and have both parties be present to oversee the count and if they don’t then by all means the process should be scrutinized and if a recount was good for the Dems in 2000 then it’s good enough for the GOP. Either way, I’m happy was definitely more worried about the Senate, now that it’s out of the Dems reach I can still sleep good at night, so on that end, I’m very happy.

-9 ( +7 / -16 )

a/ the only prognosticators who got the election right were the ones who predicted increasing mail ballots would result in chaos.

I don’t see any chaos. It was clear to anyone paying attention that some states wouldn’t declare the result until some time after the election.

Where is the chaos?

4 ( +7 / -3 )

I just feel bad that Biden has to deal with McConnell and other repubs, can you say stalemate and no progress due to political bickering and animosities?

I really do not see much progress at least for the first few years of President Biden's administration.

Agreed. Couldn't get rid of Graham or McConnell.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Arizona+Nevada+ Pennsylvania =re-election for Trump.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

Arizona+Nevada+ Pennsylvania =re-election for Trump.

Yeah, if only he wasn't on track to lose all of them.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Note Amash’s choice words. “Despotic.”

Justin Amash ain’t a “lib,” he’s a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus.

you guys cheer a Pres that a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus publicly refers to “despotic.” That is why mean things get said to you.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

No noise from Biden about recounts.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Is it a blue surge or a blue wave? This is incredible!

0 ( +2 / -2 )

No noise from Biden about recounts

Wow, go figure? Someone caring about legitimacy, what a novel concept

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Trump demanding to know what happened to the hanging chads? Wants all voting to stop. No VoteGates 4am in the morning.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

A demented country looks like it is about to get a demented president. Poor Americans. Seems the election process can’t throw up ant worthy leaders.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

It's a blue... thing? It's embarrassing for the Democratic party how close this is. Biden looks set to scrape a victory against an incompetent buffoon who spent four years wrecking chaos, bowing the America's enemies, alienating America's allies, getting embroiled in scandal after scandal, with a secret Chinese bank account, and, oh yeah, bungled the reaction to Covid so badly that over a quarter of a million Americans are now dead.

It should be an easy win. You'd think a child could pull it off. But instead, it was a close run thing.

As the same time, even Fox News viewers said they were in favor of Medicare for All, higher taxes on the wealthy, more government intervention in the market and higher minimum wages. If the Democrats had nominated Bernie or Warren, they'd have crushed Trump. They need to listen to and cultivate their progressive wing. Or they'll lose again next time.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

To date Biden has won 70.5 million voters - three million more than Trump's 67.2 million.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Trump demanding to know what happened to the hanging chads? Wants all voting to stop. No VoteGates 4am in the morning.

Trump only wants voting to stop in states where he is ahead in the voting. Where he is behind, he wants it to continue.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Trump is a LOSER. Horrible, horrible ratings. So SAD.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

There are many things to be checked.

such as how 100k people voted for Biden yet made no selection for either candidate in the Senate race.

how 95% of registered voters cast ballots when turnout is usually 60%.

courts are going to be interesting.

nevada stopped counting still. Arizona getting closer to Trump victory with every new batch counted.

-13 ( +3 / -16 )

Almost half of America supports Trump, that a pretty big chunk of the voting block.

That is unfair to say. Its more correct to say that almost half doesn't believe in Biden or the Democratic party. Doesn't necessarily mean they support Trump.

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Be smart, not bitter, move on. I bet on Trump to win, there is a likelihood now I will forfeit the stake.

That is the old way. The new way is fighting to the bitter end even after you lose - like the Dems did in 2016. If Biden wins, which it looks like he will through absentee voting, the Republicans would be smart to adjust their political tactics to the modern political battlefield. Replicate the Dems tactics of the last four years over the next four.

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Looks like the gap in the Georgia vote is getting narrower. Trump now leads by a little more than 35,000 votes.

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It should be an easy win. You'd think a child could pull it off. But instead, it was a close run thing.

In fairness, that is mainly a result of the Electoral College system. If the US had a normal system for electing presidents like almost every other country with a presidential system, that is to say by popular vote, he would have walked away with it and it would have been called very early in his favor. Looks like he is going to win the popular vote by at least a 4-5% margin, it isn't a close race by that standard.

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Of course if Trump loses

Far cry from

Never going to happen

Shame about the Senate, though. The partisan GOP will be on a vengeance kick for the next 4 years.

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There are many things to be checked. 

such as how 100k people voted for Biden yet made no selection for either candidate in the Senate race. 

Some people don’t care about the senate.

how 95% of registered voters cast ballots when turnout is usually 60%. 

Yes, because this is a normal election year.

We need at least as many investigations into these things as republicans want. We know if any investigation doesn’t go their way, they’ll scream the investigators were biased.

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Arizona Biden leading the count.

"The head of the Fox News Decision Desk is defending Tuesday night's controversial call giving Arizona to Joe Biden as the Trump campaign and the state's governor disagreed, saying it was premature."

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In all objectivity, it's still very premature for either candidate to claim victory. Count is still going on.

Yesterday I thought Trump actually won, and this morning we find Biden closer to victory. I'm curious to see how tomorrow will turn out.

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Biden will take PA, AZ, NV. I can see him squeaking through in GA and NC, too.

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So surely they can produce To the court 400,000 ballots for review that only have Biden selected and no one else. Great!

Some people don’t care about the senate.

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how 95% of registered voters cast ballots when turnout is usually 60%.

People felt strongly about this election. Doesn’t surprise me almost everyone voted.

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In Michigan 5.3 Million people voted for president but only 4.9 million for senate that was on the same ballot.

numbers don’t lie.

Also, I just checked and the current Michigan senate count is:

Peters: 2,683,325

James: 2,623, 738

(plus a little over 100,000 for various third party candidates).

Add up the numbers and it comes out to about 5.3 million, not 4.9 million.

Please move on to your next conspiracy theory, this one is BS.

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such as how 100k people voted for Biden yet made no selection for either candidate in the Senate race. 

how 95% of registered voters cast ballots when turnout is usually 60%. 

Blacklabel, assuming this is true, it’s suspicious, why?

here ya go. 100k people hate Trump and couldn’t care less about the Senate, and registered voters actually voted because of this elections high stakes? Could be GOP voters in that there 35% increase too, you get that, right?

by all means go to court

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Funny, how Trump was against mail in ballots in Florida until he realized that older and conservative voters would use them. BUT, SERIOUSLY, conservative posters, this meme that mail ballots are evil, and corrupt is like beating a dead horse! Give it up! I FAXED in my vote! WHO cares how it was delivered!! You are just upset that these votes are going against your man, otherwise, you would be ALL FOR THEM! And the meme would be count the votes! Notice in Michigan the area that they are still counting is primarily BLACK so of course, Trump wants those votes NOT COUNTED! Conservatives are racists!

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So can Biden just declare victory now? Good enough for most of you?

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Another terrible set of choices in 2020 just like in 2016. But the media was the absolute worst. Even with Biden squeaking out a victory they lost all credibility by predicting a Biden landslide. Biden was up nearly 10 points in nationwide polls. Washington Post has Biden winning by 17 points! The media and big tech drug Biden over the finish line by every means they could come up with. You can say a lot of negative things about Trumps presidency but the absolute best thing he achieved was exposing the fraudulence of American journalism. They are more propagandists

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Trump is a LOSER. Horrible, horrible ratings. So SAD.

I just care about the Senate, so for now, Capitalism will rule supreme.

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Trump half joked that he’s running in 2024 if he loses. These days may not be over.

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Whining and crying, is that all that trump knows how to do?

Biden takes the cake for doing what somebody should've told the sociopathic Trump a long ago:

'Will you shut up, man?'.

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So can Biden just declare victory now? Good enough for most of you?

No.

and that his court challenges and fraud allegations have no merit? Despite no one even looking at them yet?

He's suing to stop counting for no reason. Well, the reason is that if all the votes are counted, it's likely that he would lose. But that's a bad reason.

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Add up the numbers and it comes out to about 5.3 million, not 4.9 million.

Please move on to your next conspiracy theory, this one is BS.

Oh dear. The numeracy thing comes up again. Sad.

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So can Biden just declare victory now? Good enough for most of you?

No, we're actualy waiting for the results to come in. And Biden has had the good sense to do the same. Trump and his followers of course haven't shown the same common sense, declaring victory when he was losing wasn't a good look.

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I look at mail in ballots this way- would I put $100 in an envelope and trust the post office to deliver it safely and securel? If not, then why would I trust the post office with something infinitely more valuable- my vote?

Unless you have a valid reason (other than laziness or paranoia), you should vote in person. Now, in person voting should be extended, I would say even up to a week before the official election day. Otherwise, it is too easy for either party to claim abuse and illegitimate voting.

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Unless you have a valid reason (other than laziness or paranoia)

How does a once in a century pandemic grab you?

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I look at mail in ballots this way

Are main-in ballots allowed in your country? In the US I've mailed in ballots many times and never had a problem. It's Trump and his keyboard warriors (US and 'foreign') who've made it an issue, consistent with their other attacks on democracy.

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It is completely Trump being Trump when he is suing to stop vote counting in Georgia and Pennsylvania, where he is ahead, but no mention of Nevada, where he is behind.

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Thanks, it was a beautiful red mirage :)

Looking forward to listening to a concession speech.

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Mail in ballots can be invalidated. Walk in votes cannot. majority of Biden votes are mail in.

so lets see. Plus who won Nevada and Arizona is still not settled.

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

Biden has 70 million votes, more than any candidate in history.

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PTownsend, yes we can mail in. BUT you must apply, it isn't sent out automatically. You must also provide proof of ID (passport, birth certificate, etc) and proof of address.

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New numbers just released for Arizona. Biden is maintaining his lead.

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bass4funk

Either way, I’m happy was definitely more worried about the Senate, now that it’s out of the Dems reach I can still sleep good at night, so on that end, I’m very happy.

Happy that Trump may lose? Yeah, right. But just to note the presidential race hasn't finished and neither has the Senate race. It is still possible for the Dems to get control of the Senate.

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Peters kept MI seat.

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Whining and crying, is that all that trump knows how to do?

As if the liberals are happy about the Senate. Lol

Biden takes the cake

And the GOP keeps the Senate, everyone wins!

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Will be great to see all the facts Laos out. Like how could there be more mail in ballots returned than were requested or sent out?

or more people voted than were registered.

these are legitimate Questions that will need believable answers.

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Facts laid out, then we know.

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these are legitimate Questions

They aren't, because the things you're asking about didn't happen.

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Sooo, it seems this gamble will be decided in Vegas :)

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Winning by only 76,000 now with 14% remaining.

New numbers just released for Arizona. Biden is maintaining his lead.

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A few seconds ago, I checked CNN, Biden is gaining in Georgia and areas in which they are still counting ballots are large urban areas (BYE TRUMP) and so J. King said, as long as Biden holds Nevada, and Arizona, it is 270, with Trump getting the rest, coming out at 268.

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How do you know? The media told you it didn’t? Well now we are asking the court to look into those to get an honest answer one way or the other.

They aren't, because the things you're asking about didn't happen.

-11 ( +0 / -11 )

Republicans have a very good chance of hanging on to a bare majority in the Senate. This means any Biden agenda other than ruling through executive orders is basically out the window

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Was just checking for curiosity... is it true that in many American states, you don't need ID to vote? Just checked Michigan, if you don't have ID you can just sign an affadavit and have your vote counted. If you do have ID, it doesn't have to show your address either. How does that even work? Anyone can go to any polling station in any congressional district and vote. Or am I missing something?

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BlackLabel: Winning by only 76,000 now with 14% remaining.

Yep. Still way too close to call IMHO.

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Trump's continued insults on John McCain, even after he passed away, comes back to bite him. The people of Arizona don't forget.

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dctokyo2002: This means any Biden agenda other than ruling through executive orders is basically out the window

The good news there is that Trump did mostly everything through executive orders. If Biden wins, look for reversals on diverting funds to the wall, change to the immigration policy, etc.

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Biden is leading heavily in many parts of Pennsylvania, such as Philadelphia, where there is still a large number of ballots left to be counted. Trump is still leading in less populated parts.

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Forgot to mention The Paris Accords, the Iran deal, etc.

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dctokyo

Republicans have a very good chance of hanging on to a bare majority in the Senate. This means any Biden agenda other than ruling through executive orders is basically out the window

Considering how much Mitch represents the American people's interests at heart, I'm sure he would be happy to do some bipartisan deals with the house and Biden...

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Happy that Trump may lose?

Of course not, but I’m elated that the Socialists don’t get the Senate.

It is still possible for the Dems to get control of the Senate.

Doubt it, possible, but I doubt it.

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How do you know? The media told you it didn’t?

No, because it's impossible to have more postal votes than ballots mailed. Where did you hear it was happening? I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting hyped for a link to a right-wing twitter account with a big thing from the company saying "This information isn't true" on it.

Well now we are asking the court to look into those to get an honest answer one way or the other.

Look into things that are made up? OK, good luck.

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Also, out of interest, how does

Like how could there be more mail in ballots returned than were requested or sent out?

or more people voted than were registered.

Not violate the brand new policy of

refrain from gloating, making claims of voter fraud

? Once again, different rules for right wing posters.

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Trump's continued insults on John McCain, even after he passed away, comes back to bite him. The people of Arizona don't forget.

No, that’s not it. There are a lot of people in that state that didn’t like the man or his politics. Not to mention there are thousands complaining in that state that are angry that their votes weren’t counted.

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Some people really do need fresh diapers.

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Arizona is going Trump by the end.

Nevada only losing by under 7000 with 25% left to be counted,.

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From FiveThirtyEight:

"Fundamentally, the issue for Trump is that while Georgia projects to be very close and Arizona — at least in my view — projects to be very close, Biden is way ahead of the pace he needs to overtake Trump in Pennsylvania. If it were three toss-ups, that would be one thing, but Biden could wind up winning Pennsylvania fairly comfortably."

At the end of it all we could have a crazy situation where Arizona and Pennsylvania both switch.

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The likely unlawful 3 day extension to receive ballots in PA just went to Supreme Court.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/4/supreme-court-orders-pennsylvania-democrats-respon/

Arizona sharpies too

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/4/arizona-election-lawsuit-filed-over-sharpies-damag/

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The world is watching the U.S. Presidential election intensely because it affects their life one way or the other. Watching a brash spat between the two candidates is more entertaining than a mediocre comedy on TV.

But U.S. voters should know that degrades America's fame as a true democratic leader.

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If Biden finally wins, it will be interesting to see the future in American politics.

Trump's election in 2016 was as the ultimate outsider. He was a big middle finger raised at the political insider class of both parties. This helped him beat Hillary Clinton. He was the result of decades of increasing calcification in Washington and a show of how much Americans were tired of all the "smart people" inside the Beltway.

Now if Biden wins, he is the ultimate insider. A complete Washington creation with decades in "the swamp". It's almost as if the American public threw their tantrum (in the form of electing Trump) and are going to give official Washington one more chance.

As for the future? At least this election looks more diverse, fewer incumbents re-elected compared to before, a growing cohort of military veterans is coming to congress from both parties ( a good thing IMHO). Now all we need are term limits and age limits and the world will be a better place.

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when you control the media narrative as "we already won and there was no fraud" (when you havent and its still unknown) then anything else that is said becomes claims of fraud or badmouthing of the "obvious winners".

If the media narrative were actually controlled, Biden would have been declared the winner.

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all LEGAL ballots. same trick you guys use with immigration. All LEGAL immigration and all LEGAL ballots.

Just saw a video where a Postal service employee claimed ballots were backdated to the prior day in order to be counted. so this whistleblower claim can be investigated. right? Or you already "know" it didnt happen?

all ballots counted.

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bass4funk: No, that’s not it. There are a lot of people in that state that didn’t like the man or his politics. 

McCain dominated every election to the Senate he was ever in dating back to 1986. The closest anyone ever got was 12% with most of his wins being by 20% or more. He literally ran unopposed 3 times in the primaries.

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And the right were worried about the left bowing out graciously....

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looking at the Nevada map, the remaining 25% should be 60/40 Trump based on the results that have already happened in those counties. thats a Nevada win, if so.

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blacklabel: all LEGAL ballots. same trick you guys use with immigration. All LEGAL immigration and all LEGAL ballots.

Not sure why you're going on about all of this. The race is far from over. Trump can still win.

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No matter who "wins", the whole "every vote counts" thing that the media keeps preaching to us is a bunch of bs. So you call polls when only 70-80% of votes have been counted? I don't blame people who didn't vote.

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blacklabel: looking at the Nevada map, the remaining 25% should be 60/40 Trump based on the results that have already happened in those counties. thats a Nevada win, if so.

FYI updated totals for Nevada will be released at 9 AM tomorrow PST.

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thanks, looking forward to those Nevada results. Also looking forward to hearing why they stopped reporting results once it appeared Trump was leaning towards taking the lead.

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We should be much, much further ahead on the counting in Pennsylvania but the GOP banned any counting of votes until election day. This was done on purpose. They saw 1.9 million Democrats requested mail-in ballots and only 760,000 Republicans did.

What that means is that votes just sat there until election day and now the counting starts. Since the results will take a long time to be counted the GOP gave Trump an open window of time to file a lawsuit to have the mail-in votes thrown out. A vast majority of Democratic votes thrown out, that is.

So what we are seeing is exactly what they intended. It was literally their plan.

The Supreme Court already voted on the legality of PA laws and it was a tie. The GOP went back to the Supreme Court a second time and they refused to hear the case. Now they are going back a 3rd time. If the SC suddenly reverses course after denying a hearing before the election and changing the law after the election there will be hell to pay. This is especially true since the SC has recently declined to get involved in other state lawsuits, instead leaving it up to state Supreme Courts.

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I mean- think this way. Without giving Arizona to Biden prematurely and with giving Alaska, Georgia and North Carolina to Trump, who is winning?

Well, think of it this way. Without giving Georgia to Trump and with giving Nevada and Pennsylvania to Biden, who is winning?

That's just as valid (and just as dumb) as what you wrote. Just let the votes be counted.

Project Veritas is also literally a disinformation outfit whose founder planned to rape and blackmail someone.

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Blocking windows to obstruct people from viewing the vote count is extremely dodgy. 

Anything that may contain PRIVATE information being seen by individuals that have nothing to do with the process of tallying votes is definitely violating some law. Simply put, if you don't work for the election tallying process, you shouldn't be looking at it.

I hope this wraps up by tmr... this weekend by the latest. So much hypocrisy still fuming out from certain Trump fanatics, if he loses its because of fraud so he must stop the count... But if he wins but still tries to stop the counts that could possibly be in his favor it's ok. Yeah, I'm calling out straight up blatant facism right there.

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Blocking windows to obstruct people from viewing the vote count is extremely dodgy.

There are already observers at the count, and everything is being recorded by camera. Trump's thugs trying to re-enact the Brooks Brothers Riots should be locked out and blacked out.

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Sad. Democrats are winning. Now not only Europe but also the US are doomed.

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So you call polls when only 70-80% of votes have been counted? I don't blame people who didn't vote.

why its simple math, each state knows how many registered voters there are if a candidate has a lead greater than how many votes remain to be counted then its clear the other candidate cant win, and the vote is called

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Donald Trump has won nothing.

His policies are failures and his decisions are ridiculous.

The American populace stands up to tryanny of his sort.

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Sad. Democrats are winning. Now not only Europe but also the US are doomed.

What is really sad is that CONservatives like the failures Trump and Boris Johnson have doomed hundreds of thousands to death through not taking this pandemic seriously. Reckless and criminal conmen whose damage will be felt for decades.

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I think the US is still safe, with the Senate is still looking in Repub control and HOR picked up some Repub seats. What I find interesting is the amount of new red on the map, with Florida and Texas mostly red. I wasnt expecting that at all, but many of the states Trump carried had small EV counts, with Biden carrying the Dem legacy of dysfunction New York, Chicago, and California. Thats indicative of a new and promising trend; states where population and economic growth are increasing are voting red, while poverty and dysfunctionals are still under Dem and MSM control. The divide is huge now in the US, and even with a Biden win, I cant see them getting anything done. Trump set a precedent, that will still be fresh in the voters mind. This isnt GWB2/Obama blowout, the divide is too thin. A Hilary win in 2016 might of resulted in the kind of acceptance and apathy we see in Japan, instead people voted got a change up with Trump. The system works. It is what it is, but I too find the last minute mail in ballot dump, suspicious. Even with a 24/7 4 year harassment campaign by MSM, impeachment and COVID, their results are disappointing. There will be lots of rejoicing and other Dem buffoonery, COVID will take a break, just like it did during the peaceful riots, MSM will give passes to all Dem blunders, followed by things going left, then in four years of Dem dismal but entertaining performances, its full circle to Pence (who is proving to be the better candidate, and should of run the first time). Hey I hope Im wrong, but whats to look forward too? Obama care 2? Green jobs? Maybe some foreign policy stablity, who knows. Anyways...the checks and balances are still in play.

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The system works. It is what it is, but I too find the last minute mail in ballot dump, suspicious.

So, which is it?

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Current prediction EC seats Biden: 264. Trump:214.

Votes Biden:72 million. Trump:68.5 million.

Biden takes Arizona. Just ahead in Nevada. Could Georgia go Biden?

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A real leader would tell these guys stop stop threatening vote counting. Not to "stand back and stand by".

A real leader would accept diversity. Not worry about their kids growing up in a "racial jungle." You STILL call Trump a racist daily but refuse to acknowledge or apologize for your choice for President's horrendous racist history. 18% of voters for Trump thus far have been African American. One day, you may accept that ALL people can think for themselves no matter their skin pigment.

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What I find interesting is the amount of new red on the map, with Florida and Texas mostly red. I wasnt expecting that at all, 

Are you new to US politics?

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A real leader would accept diversity. Not worry about their kids growing up in a "racial jungle." 

Diversity creates “racial jungles.”

You would also do well to engage in cursory research so you know that the “racial jungle” quote wasn’t racist at all:

Just before the remark, Biden advocated for "orderly integration of society" rather than school integration via busing. "I am not just talking about education but all of society," he said.

He addressed the expert witnesses at the hearing, and then launched into the quote in question: "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point."

"We have got to make some move on this," he added.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6045749002

You STILL call Trump a racist daily

Because he is, which is why he was sued multiple times for discriminatory rental practices.

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