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U.S. calls on world to 'pick a side' on Venezuela

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Every so often the US claims to be desperately concerned about "democracy" in some far off country. As if US officials can't sleep at night because they claim to be so concerned about the rights of said countries citizens (but bombing them doesn't seem to be a concern).

It's always a power grab in the game of international politics and usually about oil.

The current government nationalized Venezuela's oil and kicked out the international oil companies, they've been on the "regime change" list ever since.

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I am no Maduro fan, but does anyone see the irony of the United States getting involved in the presidential election of another country?

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In heated back-and-forth exchanges at a United Nations Security Council meeting, the opposing camp led by Venezuela and Russia, which has invested heavily in Venezuela's oil industry,

US, Russia (and China): leave Venezuela alone.

No more wars for big oil.

Alternatives Now!

Stop the hydrocarbon fueled apocalypse

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Juan Guaido should be put on trial for high treason.

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does anyone see the irony of the United States getting involved in the presidential election of another country?

I certainly think Venezuelans will see it. The US has to be very careful of how much they push this line, or they're going to provoke a counter-reaction in Venezuela itself.

After all, it's not as if Latin American countries have never been the victims of US interference before. Everyone knows that, except, apparently, the CIA.

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People are eating zoo animals and picking through the garbage for food. The country has huge reserves of oil, but the industry was nationalized and the wells damaged by incompetent gov't managers.

America doesn't need to do anything about it. Putin wont let it continue. He will restore society and make the country a client state.

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At a humanitarian level, having seen the pictures and stories coming out of Venezuela of the horrific conditions there as a result of the Chavez / Maduro regimes, intervention in domestic politics by outside countries seems justified. Because of wanting to help the suffering people.

However, as we all know, this is a most dangerous road to travel down, one filled with unintended consequences, reactions and charges of outright hypocrisy.

And, as others have alluded to, the irony here as it relates to the U.S. is rather striking.

Imagine if the leaders of the EU decided that Trump had been unfairly elected, posed a threat to global stability and did not really represent the U.S. and then decided to recognize Hillary Clinton as the legitimate President.

Just saying....

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Haven"t they already done that? The majority of the "Russia collusion" material came from England.

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“It's always a power grab in the game of international politics and usually about oil.”

The US is currently the top oil producer in the world.

Venezuela has the largest known oil reserves in the world.

If this is about a “power grab”, it would make more sense to leave the current Venezuelan government in place. Their incompetence will guarantee that those oil reserves never apppear and lower prices.

As long as enough of the political cadres and military eat Maduro will stay in power.

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Guaido in Maduro out. I support that. I think Venezuelans support that. What is Part 2, however? How will it happen? A proxy war? A grab for oil? A grab for resources while the dollar is strong and the local currency is peanuts? Do I seem overly suspicious?

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I think Venezuelans support that

The elite sure do.

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having seen the pictures and stories coming out of Venezuela

The pictures you're seeing and the stories you're hearing are filtered by your media.

You only get the anti-government side, your media is simply withholding all the news and pictures of the pro-government protests.

Can you figure out why the majority of government personnel, police and family still stand behind the government, these people all have relatives,family and neighbors. Everyday people support the government.

Your boy Guaido is part of the ultra-weathy 1% elite of Venezuela, that have been living off the poor for generations.

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I think Venezuelans support that

“The elite sure do.”

You mean the elite-not-in-power, of course. The elite-in-power has demonstrated its incompetence unless one considers dining on dumpster debris an haute cuisine experience.

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Guaido in Maduro out. I support that. I think Venezuelans support that. 

Quick Question. What makes it ok for america to meddle in another sovereign nation's business but if others do it to america then it's not?

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Quick Question. What makes it ok for america to meddle in another sovereign nation's business but if others do it to america then it's not?

To be fair Fred, an awful lot of Americans seem to be quite happy for Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia to meddle in their elections.

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awful lot of Americans seem to be quite happy for Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia to meddle in their elections

Doesn't make it okay to do it to other nations now does it Alfie?

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@Burning Bush,

The pictures you're seeing and the stories you're hearing are filtered by your media.

and

Your boy Guaido is part of the ultra-weathy 1% elite of Venezuela, that have been living off the poor for generations.

Mate, you seem to have made a number of assumptions about me based on my post. Which clearly was not supportive of the action by the U.S., although some could argue for it based on what they believed to be the situation in Venezuela.

I actually consume a great deal of stories regarding Venezuela from a wide variety of sources. For reasons related to a business that I am involved in.

The data coming out of Venezuela is clear. That doesn't mean that this action is warranted / defensible, but to put your head in the sand and say that everything is OK in Venezuela is lunacy.

As for Guaido, please tell me how I supported him or the U.S, action in any way!! Never once did I support him or the action the U.S. has taken.

And, while we are at it, I have been studying / following the politics in Central America for 30+ years. I am well aware of the class issues involved.

Nothing in my post supports the historical ruling class structure.

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Basically, what were seeing unfold here is the fruition of Obama's planned to punish Russia and Venezuela by conspiring to greatly depress oil prices. Russia survived; will Venezuela?

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It really is that simple....any country sitting on vast amounts of oil that does not cowtow to the US and its powers to be is on a list of " dictatorships in need of democracy " and will be a subject of regime change...soft or hard.. Iraq, Libya et al ...Venezuela is next followed by Iran. If you have a dictatorship that does what US wants such as SA you can getaway with anything .

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Ironic ,with all its domestic problems Trump can't even run America. Whichever way you look at this, it's a coup orchestrated by the US and the Republican party, namely the NEOCON group. Trump gave Rubio the task of Venezuela and now Elliott Abrams( has been appointed envoy by Pompeo, (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/americas/elliott-abrams-venezuela-special-envoy-career/index.html ) This intervention by the US is nothing new, since the 60's the Republican political machine has been interfering in the policies of other countries,(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism ) , their ultimate goal was to instill American conservatism on other countries, the middle east, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Central and Latin America. Pompeo and Bolton are two of that group and are a danger to world peace and stability. America is hypocritical, the world knows it was behind this failed coup and yet it appeals to the rest of the world to take action. Guaido is just a puppet being used by the CIA and the US, this is all about big OIL. America has been punishing Venezuela and its people since Chavez came to power and nationalised its oil industry, kicking out the oil companies. Prior to Chavez , the Venezuelan people were already suffering under Caldera, mainly because of the corruption by the elite and ruling classes. I agree Venezuela has its problems, the drop in the price of oil didn't help Chavez or the lack of professional people running its huge oil deposits, but intervention by the US or any other country is not acceptable, including Russian and its neighbors.

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Japan is rich enough to send food and medicine and even doctors. Why doesn't Japan help? Why doesn't Japan lead the TPP countries in an humanitarian mission ? Why doesn't NZ offer help?

China and Europe certainly have the money and resources to help, but they don't offer to do anything.

The United Nations was created for just this purpose, but it doesn't do anything.

But when America offers some solution to the problem people get upset.

Actually, socialists and communists get upset. Cuba could offer help. After all Chavez went there to fight the cancer that killed him. He is the one that created this horror and was cheered for doing it.

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The “elite” are no longer in Venezuela and don’t support Maduro. The everyday folks can’t leave Venezuela, and don’t support Maduro. The currency is toast, there are no jobs that can support anyone, public transportation has stopped, there are shortages of just about everything, and it is dangerous to live there. Everyday people are desperate, and are not happily singing praises of Maduro as some here seem to imagine.

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Sign: U.S. Out Of Latin America!

How about Keep Latin Americans From Coming Into The U.S. Ilegally?

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Cuba could offer help.

Cuba has helped. Cuba has been sending doctors and medical and other help to Venezuela pretty much since Chavez came to power in 1999. China has helped, in the form of loans which they've seen go down the drain thanks to the incompetence of the Chavez administration. There are people who think no-one should help, just let Venezuela sort out its problems for itself. Venezuela hasn't shown any evidence so far that it can do that.

Do any of us here know who Guaido is? Do we know what he stands for? Does he stand for improving the lives of all Venezuelans, or does he just represent a reversal to the way things were before Chavez, when it was the poor being shafted instead of the middle class?

Most people (in the West, at least) would think Venezuela would benefit from being an open liberal democracy, but how does it get there from here?

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“The “elite” are no longer in Venezuela and don’t support Maduro.”

Elites are always present whether they be plutocrats, Nazis, Bolsheviks or whatever flavor you choose. Their priority is to hang on to power.

I anticipate a purge of Venezuela’s military soon by Maduro. As soon as the revolutionary Kronstadt sailors realized Lenin was no democrat, they revolted and were massacred by Trotsky at Lenin’s order.

Rule #1: Stay in power by whatever means or go up against the wall.

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US, Russia (and China): leave Venezuela alone.

That will never happen, at least not in the foreseeable future and not just the three, the rest of the world uses oil in one form of capacity or another.

No more wars for big oil.

Well, one can only pray and hope so.

Alternatives Now! 

Stop the hydrocarbon fueled apocalypse

I agree, but it shouldn’t come from the pubic sector, it should come overwhelmingly from the private sector, more money and more able to take risks and until the day comes we’re we have a viable fuel source alternative, we need oil and the more energy dependent we are, the less we need to be involved in the Middle East.

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How can foreign people pick a side when the president won a democratic election?

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If this coup succeeds, the poor in Venezuela are going to be totally screwed:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/13/why-cant-the-u-s-left-get-venezuela-right-2/

Venezuelan expert Jorge Martin explains in an excellent article, how the oligarchy would respond if it succeeded in removing Maduro.

1) they would massively cut public spending

2) implement mass layoffs of the public sector

3) destroy the key social programs of the revolution (health care, education, pension, housing, etc.)

4) there would be a privatization frenzy of public resources, though especially the crown jewel PDVSA, the oil company

5) massive deregulation, including turning back rights for labor and ethnic-minority groups

6) they would attack the organizations of the working class that came into existence or grew under the protection of the Chavez-Maduro governments.

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But when America offers some solution to the problem people get upset.

A solution that involves meddling in internal affairs.

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@joeinmtocowyo Venezuelan expert Jorge Martin explains in an excellent article, how the oligarchy would respond if it succeeded in removing Maduro.

Spreading dis-information sponsored by the Kremlin?

Russian disinformation[edit]During the 2016 presidential election, CounterPunch published the writings of Alice Donovan who purported to be a freelance writer but was in fact a pseudonymous employee of the Russian government.[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CounterPunch

US, Russia, China: take care of your own problems - leave sovereign nations alone.

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