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U.S. coronavirus deaths surpass Vietnam War toll as Florida governor meets Trump

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Flu deaths range from a low of 12,000 in the 2011-2012 season to a high of 61,000 during 2017-2018.

According to the article, Covid deaths are still below annual flu deaths for 2018 in the US.

Moreover, it's important to note that the Americans who died in the Vietnam war were primarily young and healthy, whilst most Covid victims are the elderly.

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I don’t know why the liberal media is allowed to make such a disgusting comparison. This is not how deaths are measured or compared.

I never heard this measurement for any other category of deaths such as murders. I also don’t see this way of measuring in other countries, only the USA.

-13 ( +19 / -32 )

But the daily focus on the running death count has nothing to do with the election, liberals say.

"If an American President loses more Americans over the course 6 weeks than died in the entirety of the Vietnam War, does he deserve to be re-elected?"

then what’s that about? Another gotcha question-they were hoping he would answer that the number isn’t accurate due to 1/3 of that number not having positive tests.

-21 ( +10 / -31 )

55,000+ dead in a matter of weeks. Australia has less than 100; we all had the same time and information; leadership has failed and is trying to pass the buck.

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I don’t know why the liberal media is allowed to make such a disgusting comparison. This is not how deaths are measured or compared.

Perhaps because Donald "I don't take responsibility for that" Trump cast himself as a 'wartime president.'

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-5/

"And, yeah, I look at it — I view it as a, in a sense, a wartime president."

So basically, Donnie, if you're gonna call yourself a wartime president, be prepared to be compared to other wars and wartime presidents.

20 ( +28 / -8 )

I never heard this measurement for any other category of deaths such as murders. I also don’t see this way of measuring in other countries, only the USA.

Isn't this a Japanese website? I often see disease compared with war dead. It's not a political thing. The Spanish Flue coincided with WWI in fact so those numbers are often seen side by side. I is a good reference because both war and disease are traumatic events. The article doesn't make any disparaging political statement about the war in Vietnam, unless I missed it.

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@Blacklabel

Trump himself that said he was a wartime president. *“And, yeah, I look at it — I view it as a, in a sense, a wartime president. I mean, that’s what we’re fighting.” {James S. Brady Press Briefing Room @ WH on March 18th. Available on WH website press briefing archives}*

If he's going to make statements like that it's justifiable that the people and press will make comparisons to past wars. Can't have it both ways.

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Contort yourselves all you want. Deaths by a virus are not measured this way. Was the flu ever measured this way? what about the “war” on drugs?

The implication by using this measurement is that Trump himself is personally responsible for every single death.

So the media then can link it to the election to distract from basement Joe.

nothing about wartime as they did the same comparison to 9/11 when that number was exceeded. Disgusting article that should not have been chosen to post here.

-19 ( +9 / -28 )

I never heard this measurement for any other category of deaths such as murders

9/11 was frequently invoked as NY toll rose.  But don't worry, DT has decreed that it will "just disappear" anytime soon.

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Which is also disgusting and not how things like this are measured. Have you ever seen “ 20 times the 9/11 death toll of people died from the flu in 2019?” I haven’t.

9/11 was frequently invoked as NY toll rose

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@blacklabIe don’t know why the liberal media is allowed

Look up the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. And remember Trump and many of his supporters are constantly trying to undermine those freedoms ensured by the Constitution as they constantly attack any outlet that questions him.

Posters must feel fortunate knowing they can freely criticize media articles. And they're also fortunate in that they can use the Internet to find any number of sites reflecting their own perspectives. Ain't freedom grand?

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I don’t know why the liberal media is allowed to make such a disgusting comparison. This is not how deaths are measured or compared.

Now you know exactly why the liberal media is pushing this. I personally think the death toll in China is much higher, but we’ll never really know since they’re not transparent and the same goes for North Korea and its claims talking about the virus isn’t anywhere to be found in that country.

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

Look folks, it's an analogy and a good one because numbers alone become abstract and the populace can lose sight of the seriousness of this crisis. Case in point is Abe's request to reduce human to human contact 70% to 80%. He said that if we don't meet this we will be facing a medical breakdown and even more serious damage to the country. What does this percentage mean? A medical professional summed it up succinctly. He said that Wuhan was able to reduce human contact 75 - 80%. We all know what draconian measures were taken in Wuhan to achieve those figures. Now does it seem more clear? That is the ominous task at hand and I fear that the government's back assward measures are a serious shortfall. BTW, I think the comparison to Vietnam is appropriate since many of the vets are in the high risk category just by age alone. We owe it to them to try and save them and their families don't you think?

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"If an American President loses more Americans over the course 6 weeks than died in the entirety of the Vietnam War, does he deserve to be re-elected?"

Because "the buck stops here" with the president? Or is supposed to, except that people on the psychopathic spectrum are unable to feel any empathy for others and consequently are equally unable to take any responsibility for their actions and the suffering they cause others. This cold-blooded, calculating personality type is commonly found in leaders with weak, authoritarian characteristics, like Trump and Bolsonaro who are masters of projection. At his last Rose Garden press conference Trump said "We are not here to blame anyone...", (meaning not HIM, but the Chinese, natch).

14 ( +18 / -4 )

Great job Donny..

what happened to...

It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle – it will disappear

The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. This is their new hoax..

We're talking about a vaccine … developing very rapidly a vaccine for the virus..

Anybody that needs a test gets a test — they're there," adding that they have the tests. And the tests are beautiful..

Can we inject disinfectant..

Use some really powerful lights and shine them into the body..

Yes Black the way he has handled this whole pandemic is as you put it Disgusting..

Tell you what your friend basement Joe as you call him is looking pretty darn good...

Trump on there buddy Trump on....

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@blacklabelHave you ever seen “ 20 times the 9/11 death toll of people died from the flu in 2019?” I haven’t.

Media of all sorts use headlines and report in ways to appeal to their market. (Capitalism, after all). That's a reality of a 'free press', the same as it's been since the first uses of the printing press.

One media known for having a limited political perspective reported this: should JT have used it instead?

President Donald Trump busted his boastful exaggeration record Saturday when he claimed he likely saved “billions” of lives with his measures against COVID-19.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-saves-billions-us-pop-350-million_n_5e9bd2bec5b6ea335d5cb120

Should they be restricted for having done so? Was that illegal? Or just didn't fit your worldview.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

I don’t know why the liberal media is allowed to make such a disgusting comparison.

Some might be disgusted by the leader whose incompetence lead to so many deaths. Others are disgusted by the people who point out that their beloved leader has killed so many through his stupidity because they just don’t want to know.

This is not how deaths are measured or compared. 

How are they supposed to measure or compare them? I don’t see what the methodological problem is, they are literally just putting two numbers side by side and noting that one is bigger than the other.

I never heard this measurement for any other category of deaths such as murders. I also don’t see this way of measuring in other countries, only the USA.

You must not be paying attention then. Phrases like “More than are killed each year by (car accidents, murder, etc)” are commonplace in reporting and public debates, in the US and other countries.

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where is the Vietnam War or 9/11 part? More people died in car accidents than Vietnam War, more were murdered last year than died on 9/11, etc? its not common place at ALL.

My last point on this is that millions of people lost loved ones in Vietnam war and 9/11. How does the media reminding them of their loss just to get a cheap shot political hit on Trump help anything? Do you really think by making this comparison, even 1 Trump supporter will change their vote? How does this comparison make anyone want to vote for Biden?

Its all about the election. But liberal media is just causing renewed pain to million of people, unnecessarily. Having no desired impact on the vote, just making people feel disgusted towards the media and people who support this type of comparison. Which leads to more Trump voters.

You must not be paying attention then. Phrases like “More than are killed each year by (car accidents, murder, etc)” are commonplace in reporting and public debates, in the US and other countries.

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Its very funny. death tolls can't be compared. One is war and another is virus.

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Thanks Donnie !!..

https://9gag.com/gag/ax75qZY/speechless

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

Google the following two words...

“Trump compares”

It’s interesting.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

https://youtu.be/_RTFIeaMRlU

This speaks for itself.

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Just for once I agree with the individualist libertarians on this page. Comparing the Covid-19 death toll to the Vietnam war Is a pretty pointless comparison.

But since those same individualist libertarians have spent most of their time since the Covid-19 epidemic started making pointless comparisons to the yearly influenza outbreaks, my sympathies for them are limited.

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The relevant part of this video is 4:17-9:58.

https://youtu.be/_RTFIeaMRlU

-11 ( +0 / -11 )

Godspeed America!

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

The death toll is still rising in the U.S. and will rise even more now that many states are easing the quarantine restrictions.

Why are they easing restrictions? I have no idea as the first wave isn't over yet.

I say first wave because now a second wave is guaranteed.

This is insanity.

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My last point on this is that millions of people lost loved ones in Vietnam war and 9/11. How does the media reminding them of their loss just to get a cheap shot political hit on Trump help anything? 

Point taken. Lets look to thePresident for a more solemn and respectful approach to Vietnam war comparisons. Like that time on Howard Stern he compared him avoiding getting STDs from all the women he cheated on his wife with to serving in Vietnam, and joking that he should get the Medal of Honor for it.

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Luckily for Trump, politicians have a natural protective coating and immunity from blame for all their mistakes and fubars that can lead to catastrophic wars of aggression like in Indo-China, and in this instance have allowed the spread of the virus to kill tens of thousands because people are extremely reluctant to blame themselves (for electing their leaders in the first place). But there is always a tipping point and that might come before November.

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Comparing Covid-19 deaths to Vietnam casualties has nothing to do with being "liberal". It is simply a gimmick to grab attention and frame the statistic in a way that people can more easily put in perspective.

Here's Chris Wallace on Fox News two days ago:

"The U.S. death toll from the coronavirus now tops 53,000 in just two months. It's close to the number of all the Americans killed in the Vietnam War over 19 years."

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Blacklabel

But the daily focus on the running death count has nothing to do with the election, liberals say.

"If an American President loses more Americans over the course 6 weeks than died in the entirety of the Vietnam War, does he deserve to be re-elected?"

Meanwhile the article states nothing about the election, so why are you bringing it up? The comparison is just to put it in perspective. The age of the deceased has nothing to do with it. Seems like you are using the deceased in the same way you claim the "liberals" are.

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My, my, our Trump supporting friends are certainly in a tizzy - and asking us to suspend reality again...

You can't compare apples to "oranges", the death toll in other countries is much higher (they're hiding it...), car crashes kill more people, etc., etc.

The fact is during Trump's "watch", over 57K Americans have been killed since 6 Feb, less than 90 days ago.

How many more will be added to that in another 90 days? Certainly a great many of his "army" of armed anarchists that ignored safety guidelines and were out ransacking city halls and terrorizing ordinary citizens - and flying that Confederate flag...

From its "contained" to 57K fatalities, from its "one person from China" to over 1 million US citizen infected, from "go back to work" to "maybe we should look into injecting disinfectant"...

The Trump legacy of ignorance and incompetence.....how many more Americans will pay with their lives?

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Look folks, it's an analogy and a good one because numbers alone become abstract and the populace can lose sight of the seriousness of this crisis.

Blacklabel is right - the analogy is only there to manipulate, not to inform.

So yes, numbers are abstract, but at least they are objective. When you start making analogies, you are interpreting the numbers in a manner of your choosing. That's anything but objective.

-5 ( +8 / -13 )

Press conference yesterday, the question was framed in the context of the election. same exact topic as this article.

"If an American President loses more Americans over the course 6 weeks than died in the entirety of the Vietnam War, does he deserve to be re-elected?"

Meanwhile the article states nothing about the election, so why are you bringing it up?

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

If the "deaths by (fill in the blank)" are scaled by time, then Covid-19 (2 months) seems pretty bad compared to seasonal influenza (October -April), Vietnam (20 years), car crash fatalities (38,000), suicides (48,300 in 2018), etc....so try to think of it in terms of how fast Covid-19 killed so many people.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Pretty meaningless numbers; they represent people that died with the virus, not from the virus.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

More than one million cases, greater than the total numbers in Europe. The pandemic isn't going away any time soon even if and when a vaccine is found. 3 million cases worldwide. Stressful time for everyone.

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Misinformation, plus 5 countries in Europe have higher per capita death rates.

More than one million cases, greater than the total numbers in Europe.

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

The U.S. death toll since the first death recorded on Feb 29 reached 58,233 on Tuesday, up more than 2,000 from the prior day.

Reality is the number: 58,233 dead from COVID-19. Reality is also the media does not blame one person, Trump. However, Trump is a major part of the blame, but he won't take any responsibility...over anything that he dislikes or hurts his demagoguery. Comparisons to Vietnam are made for reference, and is made to see the main point of the numbers.

Trump is a contributor to viral spread in the United States that has led to a large number of deaths exceeding the Vietnam total. And over a 1,000,000 cases of the corona virus in the United States of America.

Trump should own up to his mistakes, but he never will. He is the first American president who is a demagogue, and his narrative certainly hurt the country on the coronavirus problem due to his lies, ignorance and wrong actions

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what is the "main point of the numbers" when there is no relationship or correlation between deaths by coronavirus and deaths by Vietnam armed conflict? No relationship, causation or correlation other than one number is larger than another.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

Blacklabel is right - the analogy is only there to manipulate, not to inform.

Whether media manipulates, informs, entertains, 'scares', i.e. do what what the various forms of media have done forever, is something determined by the individual.

Constant attacks on a force (real or imagined) some call the 'media' are in my opinion attempts by posters to 'manipulate'. Fair enough. Free speech, after all.

Still, it's a bit worrying some say the media are 'scaremongering'. But using America as an example where so many people own so many guns, I guess there are lots of 'scared' people out there. Too bad for them they've allowed themselves to be 'scaremongered'. Maybe they should focus on dealing with their own fears first.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

blacklabel: Flu deaths range from a low of 12,000 in the 2011-2012 season to a high of 61,000 during 2017-2018.

Because saying that we've lost as many people as the 2017-2018 flu season would be meaningless to everyone involved. They are going to compare it to something that everyone knows.

what is the "main point of the numbers" when there is no relationship or correlation between deaths by coronavirus and deaths by Vietnam armed conflict? No relationship, causation or correlation other than one number is larger than another.

Again, because it's something Americans can relate to about the magnitude of this problem.

Stop inventing ways for Trump to be a victim.

5 ( +10 / -5 )

OK while we are throwing around American numbers. 360 Americans are now jobless for every COVID19 death...

9 ( +12 / -3 )

Whether media manipulates, informs, entertains, 'scares', i.e. do what what the various forms of media have done forever, is something determined by the individual.

We are talking about intent, not results. However, the results also show that people are easily manipulated. Don't know what guns have to do with it. If I insure my house against fire, I guess that means I'm "scared?"

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

"Everyone knows" how many people died in a war 50 years ago? But they supposedly have no idea how many people die in a recent flu season after its been written in the media almost every day for months? Yeah sure.

Who are all these people you know who supposedly have memorized the number of deaths in the Vietnam War? disgusting.

They are going to compare it to something that everyone knows.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

Blacklabel

Misinformation, plus 5 countries in Europe have higher per capita death rates.

No more misinformation than all the other comparisons you posted. The EU and America are very similar. Number of states next to each other with open border. America 350 million. the EU 550 million people.

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VP Mike Pretender visited a top US hospital without wearing a mask, despite the medical center's own rules that visitors should wear personal protective equipment.

Mr Pence appeared to be the only person present without a facial covering at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.

In a deleted tweet, the clinic said the vice-president had been notified in advance of its policy requiring masks.

Mr Pence leads the White House coronavirus taskforce.

Claiming he and the president are tested regularly. Guess he's not mentally tested. Being tested does not prevent infection. Guess he drinking the "Mr Clean Koolaid".

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@Burning Bush

According to the article, Covid deaths are still below annual flu deaths of 61,200 for 2018 in the US.

That number of flu deaths is for the whole year. Covid-19 has already killed 58,233, and it has been only 4 months. We still have 8 more months before 2020 ends!

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zichi - More than one million cases, greater than the total numbers in Europe. The pandemic isn't going away any time soon even if and when a vaccine is found. 3 million cases worldwide. Stressful time for everyone.

No one knows how many cases of infection have been caused by the deadly virus from Wuhan, China due primarily to the lack of testing.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

Even worse is the writer of this piece still calling it the Spanish flu (it should be known as the 1917/18 Flu) when it didn't start in Spain but not having the nerve to call this current virus the China or Wuhan virus WHICH DID START IN WUHAN, CHINA!!! It's racist to call it the China or Wuhan Virus but not the Spanish flu? Where is the logic in stating that? Would Spaniards have to freak out like the Chinese did and call everyone racists for calling it the Spanish flu?

I also find this story is going down a slippery slope by comparing this CCP virus to Vietnam and pulling the deaths of Americans into the mix. Is this to build some sort of anger and resentment beyond what is already building? Is the communist angle part of the comparison? One was a war that the USA went into and the other is one that the CCP unleashed upon the planet. Pretty selfish to only list the deaths of the USA in this worldwide assault by the CCP with its poorly contained virus.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

and Europe has 120,000 deaths, dont they? around double the USA. Yet few are here here criticizing "Europe" comparing their number of deaths to who they lost in wars. or blaming their individual leaders personally for all the deaths in their countries. Isnt that odd at all?

The EU and America are very similar. Number of states next to each other with open border. America 350 million. the EU 550 million people.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Black:. Who are all these people you know who supposedly have memorized the number of deaths in the Vietnam War? disgusting.

They are going to compare it to an incident that everyone can relate to in order to show the magnitude.

Relax, for heaven's sake. Trump is not the victim here.

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starpunk - Let's not forget...

You're sounding a bit desperate, and off-topic. Were you aware that Lisa Shumaker has said that the U.S. coronavirus death toll exceeds number of Americans killed in Vietnam War?

-11 ( +0 / -11 )

One was a war that the USA went into and the other is one that the CCP unleashed upon the planet.

In both situations, the failure of the United States in the Vietnam War and Coronavirus pandemic was not inevitable, but rather a product of initially poor leadership, government misinformation, and strategic blunders by the respective presidents.

Trump refuses to deny receiving repeated coronavirus warnings in intelligence briefings months ago

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-refuses-deny-receiving-repeated-162800665.html

So trump knew ahead of time but lied and covered it up. Those 50,000 + US lives are trump's fault.

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I dont "**relate to" the number of deaths in the Vietnam war 50 years ago. As there is no relationship between that number for the entire mutiyear war **and coronavirus deaths in 2020. Most of us were barely alive then and we have not memorized that death total.

If Trump isnt the intended victim of this comparison, then why was it asked at his press conference?

They are going to compare it to an incident that everyone can relate to in order to show the magnitude.

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Some might be disgusted by the leader whose incompetence lead to so many deaths.

What a bunch of horse manure. There is absolutely NO proof that the President is responsible for any of the deaths. First liberals fall for the China narrative it’s racist, then they follow that up with comparing it to Vietnam, so we have to for some odd reason re-litigate that issue to now the President is responsible for these deaths, it’s so far fetched and off the wall crazy, even I have to bust up with laughter on that crap. Lol

How are they supposed to measure or compare them?

By not being biased. It’s not that hard, just put the hatred feeding bowl of Trump down and whoa and behold, the objectivity will come out.

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

@Blacklabel

and Europe has 120,000 deaths, dont they? around double the USA. Yet few are here here criticizing "Europe" comparing their number of deaths to who they lost in wars. or blaming their individual leaders personally for all the deaths in their countries. Isnt that odd at all?

Illogical comparison!

The US is one country! Europe is a continent made up numerous countries. Do you need someone to explain geography to you, too?

That makes the US look even more incompetent. Thanks for the assist!

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Trump didnt need to deny it- the DNI head said it didnt happen.

"The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is responsible for the PDB. In response to questions about the repeated mentions of coronavirus, a DNI official said, “The detail of this is not true.” The official declined to explain or elaborate”

Trump refuses to deny receiving repeated coronavirus warnings in intelligence briefings months ago

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

thats why a per capita measurement is important.

5 countries in Europe haves a higher per capita death rate than the USA. which has 50 states and only 2 of them making up 40% of the total deaths.

The US is one country! Europe is a continent made up numerous countries

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

Numan:

Illogical comparison!

The US is one country! Europe is a continent made up numerous countries. Do you need someone to explain geography to you, too?

Did you miss this segment, which explains why the comparison was made?

"The EU and America are very similar. Number of states next to each other with open border. America 350 million. the EU 550 million people."

You might want to read before commenting.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Trump refuses to deny receiving repeated coronavirus warnings in intelligence briefings months ago

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-refuses-deny-receiving-repeated-162800665.html

So trump knew ahead of time but lied and covered it up. Those 50,000 + US lives are trump's fault.

No, it’s not and why should Trump take it serious when these people didn’t?

https://youtu.be/HeqqNZ7Whc4

https://youtu.be/YZBFUA0JjFk

https://youtu.be/0kwVRJzQc4A

Let’s be fair and let’s be politically consistent. You wanna jump on Trump, don’t forget to jump on these morons as well, including and especially China.

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Some might be disgusted by the leader whose incompetence lead to so many deaths.

What a bunch of horse manure. There is absolutely NO proof that the President is responsible for any of the deaths. 

So, which horse manure is true;

Donnie in 2020 when he says he's not responsible for anything?

Or Donnie in 2016 when asked about George W. Bush's responsibility for 9/11 said; "The World Trade Center came down during the reign of George Bush. He kept us safe? That is not safe. That is not safe.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/south-carolina-primary-2016-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/gop-debate-2016-trump-911-219260

So, two questions for Trump supporters;

Who's "reign" is it now?

After 58K deaths, are we safe?

0 ( +6 / -6 )

"this would be a terrible crisis to waste."- (failed Dem presidential candidate).

That tells me all I need to know. There is no benefit whatsoever for any good news at all for Dems, so we will continue to see things like this.

I mean, I really didnt realize the impact of coronavirus until I realized it was the number of US deaths in the Spanish American war timesthe number of people eaten by bears in history plus the number of people who have won Grammy awards divided by the number of times I have been struck by lightning.

Then I realized the magnitude of it all.

Good day.

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

OK, let's compare the US with single European countries.

The death rate per capita in the US is about 170 per million people. FAR less than France, Italy, Spain, the UK, Belgium and the Netherlands. Only Germany has better results among major western European countries.

The overall mortality rate from all causes is about 8,500 per million people. So corona accounts so far for around 2% of all fatalities in the US. That is assuming that EVERY corona victim would have otherwise lived, and not succumbed to something else, or a combination of other health problems.

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Did you miss this segment, which explains why the comparison was made?

"The EU and America are very similar. Number of states next to each other with open border. America 350 million. the EU 550 million people."

You might want to read before commenting.

@WilliB

LOL! You and cohorts/coworkers ignore the key differences between Europe Union and the United States when it comes to coping with coronavirus: millions of European workers have universal health care and government-mandated paid sick leave.

You might want to read before commenting.

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Numan - So trump knew ahead of time but lied and covered it up. Those 50,000 + US lives are trump's fault. ~

All of the infections, and deaths, are a direct result of the Chinese governments actions. Especially their cover ups, and months of delay before notifying the rest of the world of the danger.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

It appears Cadet Bonespurs still hasn't figured out that he's responsible for coming to the assistance of his country in time of war. A buck private pretending to be a commander-in-chief.

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@Arrestpaul

All of the infections, and deaths, are a direct result of the Chinese governments actions. Especially their cover ups, and months of delay before notifying the rest of the world of the danger.

Donnie knew about it for months and did nothing. It is public record!

Who's fault was Donnie inaction? Ans: Donnie boy!

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I get tired of the personal attacks on Trump here. It's childish, inaccurate, and reflects a lot more on the writer than on the president. I mean, what's the point? Just trying to vent a little frustration? Trying to build up street cred amongst your 'woke' friends? Because if you are actually trying to be persuasive and actually engage in discourse, it isn't the best way.

A guy who, in his very first foray into politics, managed to defeat "the most qualified person ever to run for president" is hardly a moron. He's a loudmouth and a braggart for sure, but far from unintelligent.

Now back to the subject.

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All of the infections, and deaths, are a direct result of the Chinese governments actions. Especially their cover ups, and months of delay before notifying the rest of the world of the danger.

The CCP, as usual, acted with lack of transparency and honesty. Some governments around the world acted quickly and decisively and others didn’t. This was a test of leadership.

Trump, with some others, was found lacking. Not good enough. Stop making excuses for poor leaders when we have examples of leaders who rose to the challenge.

Demand better from your leaders.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

I get tired of the personal attacks on Trump here. It's childish, inaccurate, and reflects a lot more on the writer than on the president. I mean, what's the point? Just trying to vent a little frustration? Trying to build up street cred amongst your 'woke' friends? Because if you are actually trying to be persuasive and actually engage in discourse, it isn't the best way.

A guy who, in his very first foray into politics, managed to defeat "the most qualified person ever to run for president" is hardly a moron. He's a loudmouth and a braggart for sure, but far from unintelligent.

Now back to the subject.

@Atilia---Topic isn't his ability to deceive people into voting for him by lying.

The topic is his incompetence as a leader in a time of a major crisis while he demands those around him to constantly shower him with praise for doing it wrong at the expense of countless lives.

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blacklabel: I dont "***relate to*the number of deaths in the Vietnam war 50 years ago. As there is no relationship between that number for the entire mutiyear war **and coronavirus deaths in 2020. Most of us were barely alive then and we have not memorized that death total.

Of course there is. People know there was a tremendous loss of life in Vietnam. We've eclipsed that figure in a matter of months.

Keep fighting if you'd like, but Trump is not the victim here.

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I get tired of the personal attacks on Trump here. It's childish, inaccurate, and reflects a lot more on the writer than on the president

Trump loves personal, childish and often inaccurate attacks on others ( read his tweets ).

Does this reflect on his character?

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I want everyone to know how outraged I am that the media used a comparator that most Americans will understand! It’s just another example of the media using words and facts to demonstrate a fact, which is obviously a direct attack on Donny given his and his followed tenuous relationship with facts!!!!!!!!!! Hi

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Numan:

Donnie knew about it for months and did nothing. It is public record!

Who's fault was Donnie inaction? Ans: Donnie boy!

What exactly do you know that Donnie know that we don´t know? Can you tell us? And why, if there was so much knowledge around, did the political opposition and the media never mention it?

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His character? Go for it. No arguments here. But at least be clever about it. The constant chorus of "he's a moron/idiot/the Cheetoh Jesus" gets tiring. Ditto becoming a spell checker or grammar Nazi.

As for the handling of this crisis, we will have to wait and see to determine responsibility in any accurate and final way. No politician has ever emerged unscathed from a debacle of this magnitude. At least wait until it's over to start finger-pointing.

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number of known U.S. coronavirus infections has doubled over the past 18 days to more than 1 million. The actual count is believed to be higher, with state public health officials cautioning that shortages of trained workers and materials have limited testing capacity, leaving many infections unrecorded

Trumph is proud of passing one million tests.

further evidence that caution may still be in order, an influential University of Washington research model often cited by White House officials and public health officials revised its projected U.S. coronavirus death toll upwards on Tuesday to more than 74,000 by Aug. 4, against its previous forecast of 67,000.

Is he also as proud of the 50,000 plus deaths ?

I seen a report on BBC News where the vice-president went about a ward WITHOUT a mask.

He said he did not need it as he and the people around him are constantly tested.

I pity the USA people having them as their current leaders.

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A guy who, in his very first foray into politics, managed to defeat "the most qualified person ever to run for president" is hardly a moron.

But what does this tell us about the millions who voted for this "stable genius" whose only summa cum laude came from the Electoral College? And that's real sarcasm, not the fake kind that Trump tried to gaslight us with.

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What exactly do you know that Donnie know that we don´t know?

Injecting Mr. Clean is dangerous? If Trump doesn't even know that injecting Mr. Clean can kill you then god help us during this pandemic.

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Nobody ever uses Vietnam war fatalities as a comparator for anything!!!!!! See:

Daniel Ciccarone, an associate editor for the International Journal of Drug Policy and professor at the University of California San Francisco School of Medicine, said the lag time of a year is an improvement from how data was collected a few years ago, but it’s still a problem for understanding the scope of the current epidemic.  

*"The numbers are extraordinary and it's easy to get kind of numbed when you're in that kind of event when you say, 'well, this has had more deaths than the Vietnam War, this has had more deaths in a given year than HIV-AIDS,'" Ciccarone said. *

https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/deepdive/american-life-under-opioid-crisis-49355808

Protesters — who came from Greater Boston and New York City — marched in a circle with signs: “Sacklers must pay,” “More deaths than the Vietnam war — no more,” “Oxy kills.” Some three dozen museum patrons looked on from the upper floors.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/style/2018/07/20/opioid-protest-harvard-art-museum/6DSgcZKepMyomeaxImOjkK/story.html%3foutputType=amp

*According to the report, more Americans died from drug overdoses in 2016 than the number of American lives lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War, which totaled 58,200.*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/opioids-drug-overdose-killed-more-americans-last-year-than-the-vietnam-war/

*According to a study conducted by the American Automobile Association (AAA) approximately 31,000 fatalities over the past 10 years resulted from accidents that involved teen drivers between 15 and 17 years of age. *For comparison purposes the number is a little more than half of the total number of U.S. soldiers who lost their lives during the entire Vietnam War.

https://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/AssetFactory.aspx?did=31060

See!! It never happens. My virtue signaling faux outrage is well founded!!!

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As for the handling of this crisis, we will have to wait and see to determine responsibility in any accurate and final way. No politician has ever emerged unscathed from a debacle of this magnitude. At least wait until it's over to start finger-pointing.

No. Leaders need to be criticized to slap them into line. Comes with the job. Point fingers. Trump was rightly ridiculed for his disinfectant stupidity and hopefully this may deter him from blurting out any more brainless and dangerous crap ( certainly not guaranteed with him ).

Keep them on their toes.

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Trump loves personal, childish and often inaccurate attacks on others ( read his tweets ). 

And the media do the exact same day, tedious, boring and tiresome.

Does this reflect on his character?

I think Trump will never stop being antagonistic towards the msm as long as their hostile and antagonistic towards him. So if they don’t want to back down, he definitely won’t and good on him for not willing to take it.

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bass: So if they don’t want to back down, he definitely won’t and good on him for not willing to take it.

Trump is a victim.

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See!! It never happens. My virtue signaling faux outrage is well founded!!!

As you're well aware, many Trump supporters are deflecting away from the Vietnam comparison.

They must think just mentioning Vietnam triggers memories of Trump's draft 'evasion' and the callous remarks he's made along the way, e.g. as previously mentioned 'his personal Vietnam was avoiding STD's' - as he was playing golf while having to deal with bone spurs.

And also Trump declared himself a 'war president'; many must think the dozens of thousands of virus deaths during his watch don't reflect well on his war time leadership. However, some probably do actually believe Trump when he said his actions have saved 'billions',

As some have said, time will tell how historians view the Trump presidency. The pandemic is still killing thousands of Americans, greatly harming the economy Trump inherited from President Obama, and there's no end in sight. Who knows how that will be understood in a few years.

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Does this reflect on his character?

I think Trump will never stop being antagonistic towards the msm as long as their hostile and antagonistic towards him

Not just the msm.

He has made childish, personal and inaccurate attacks on many people. He ridiculed Carly Fiorina’s face, told his followers to check out a non-existent sex tape of a beauty queen he was having a cat fight with, and attacked the then UK PM Theresa May because she criticized him for retweeting dodgy videos from a UK-based racist organization.

Does this reflect on his character?

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I think Trump will never stop being antagonistic towards the msm

How can MSM be worse than Trump when Trump says we should inject Mr. Clean in our veins? And Trump was promoting Hydroxychloroquine.

But the virus was unleashed in China

Then what is Trump going to do about it. More tariffs (the Trump tax)? Stay safe in Japan...or perhaps countries like New Zealand. The USA is so bad that China is beating Trump in the pandemic war.

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Instead of the wall at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, maybe the victims' names can be engraved on the Great Wall of China.

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More than Vietnam? It only goes to show that Trump should never have declared war on Coronaland!

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Right wing nutters disrespect the dead, dying and the ones working hard to keep them alive!!

All for someone who is loyal to no one, takes responsibility for nothing????

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A war analogy probably reminds the nutters that their leader is a coward who used daddy’s money and influence to stay out of it.

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Certainly not the stable genius' fault. It was the fault of someone... a long time ago... and of course the individual states, despite of course Trump knowing about it long before everyone and knowing it was a pandemic before the rest of hte world... but of course NOT knowing that until he was told later, after no one took action.

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