UK lawmakers vote against no-deal Brexit; now aim for delay

This is what happens when a government is installed that fundamentally does not believe in the task that they were mandated to carry out.

The key issue is that the overwhelming majority of MPs are remainers. I don’t see how a government led by the likes of Rees-Mogg or Johnson would have fared any better getting their ideas through the commons.

What on earth was the point in asking us to decide, if all they're going to do is ignore us anyway?Our parliament is rotten to the core.

The main issue was that most people who decided to leave didn't understand what leaving meant until it was too late. Evidence has already proved it to be true.

So, you think it is OK for the people to vote on a topic they know nothing about?

We call that scamming where I come from, and it has nothing to do with democracy.

LOL!

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a Brexiteer. He actually knows his onions and is clear with his intentions.

He's a toff who hasn't the first clue about NI. His views on the 6 counties and the people of Ireland are contemptous.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/26/have-people-inspected-at-irish-border-after-brexit-says-jacob-rees-mogg

I like this tangerine geezer;j he fully supports Brexit; he'd rather live in Japan though! Preferable not to get caught on the impending disaster on the making.

Tbf to Tangerine, I think it's natural to be concerned over issues happening in other parts of the world without actually living there.

Similar to all the Korean lovers on this site; love and support Korea unconditionally, yet don't want to live there

ROK or DPRK? Whatever the case it's a slightly different situation, though, to Brexit :-)

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a Brexiteer. He actually knows his onions and is clear with his intentions.

Rees-Mogg is an idiot. He keeps saying the "will of the people" should be respected, but he votes against May's deal that does exactly that.

Now he claims he will vote for the deal if the DUP also vote for it. Why should the DUP's position make any difference? Can't he think for himself? If he doesn't like the deal today, for whatever reason, why is he prepared to vote for it tomorrow just because some bigots also decide to vote for it?

LOL! I was right! I told everyone in yesterday's article. They will attempt to get a delay, but the EU are not going to renegotiate. The final option will be to revoke their intentions to leave the EU. May will try to claim victory and promise to fight the good fight. Then she will be removed.

No one will vote for a no-deal BREXIT. There is not enough time for another referendum. The only choice will be to revoke their intent to leave. May will make some excuse about needing more time, and pledge to continue the good fight to leave the EU someday. That will keep the fanatics partly satisfied. Then she will step with some nonsensical reason.

https://japantoday.com/category/world/update-11-britain-in-brexit-chaos-parliament-crushes-may's-eu-deal-again

Blame that chicken Boris!!!!

If you can't figure out how to leave, then perhaps you should stay. To bring your country to the brink of economic ruin and hurt your constituents, just to make a point, is insane. You're beginning to look like the GOP in Congress...not a good thing.

This is what happens when a government is installed that fundamentally does not believe in the task that they were mandated to carry out.

PM May was a Remainer and a cynic would find it easy to believe that she has done everything she can to torpedo a clean Brexit.

Indeed, it is probable that she ran for PM for the sole purpose of thwarting the implementation of the Leave vote by the people. And given that virtually everyone around her involved in the Brexit arrangements are Remainers, there is very little doubt that the UK is in its current situation because the current government is not in support of Leave.

Time for a bit of civil disobedience.

"Tbf to Tangerine, I think it's natural to be concerned over issues happening in other parts of the world without actually living there."

Wonderful idea! Preferably if you don't have to live with consequences of it.

A Brazilian friend I have here in the UK told me that in Brazil they say as follows:

"Pimenta no olho do outro pra mim e refresco"!

Rougly,: "pepper/chilly powder in someone else's eyes is extremely soothing to me"!!!

It was not about hard or soft or backstop or all the other sophistry that the "remain" addicted elites of both parties came up with.

The backstop is a critical issue. It isn’t sophistry.

Are you saying this is just something the elite remainers came up with over a bottle of Dom Perignon?

How about the Irish people who are concerned about it?

The UK elites, hand in hand with the EU elites, are hard at work conspiring against the British voters. The vote was about Brexit, period. It was not about hard or soft or backstop or all the other sophistry that the "remain" addicted elites of both parties came up with.

The GFA is under threat as a direct result of Brexit. The people of Ireland, north and south, are concerned about having a border. Having British soldiers with guns, incursions into the Republic and all the troubles that went with it. The elitists are Westminster MPs who are ill-informed and don't give a toss about those who could be affected should violence errupt again.

Time for the pitchforks.

And should the Republican dissidents and the loyalists reckon it's time for the armalite again?

Personally if eligible for a vote in the 23rd June referendum, I would have chosen to leave mainly because of a abject failure, refusal to genuinely open up to how and who is responsible for legislation. There is no direct methodology to ascertain who is accountable.....

Ombudsman says Member States must open up their opaque negotiations on EU laws.....

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/press-release/en/89685

I am not a rabid, foaming at the mouth right wing nationalist. Yet when amongst friends and colleagues that from time to time enquire into my views on UK departure from the EU, its assumed that any logic and reasoning behind leavers sentiments are akin to mentality of the prejudicial Little Englander

I am not a rabid, foaming at the mouth right wing nationalist. Yet when amongst friends and colleagues that from time to time enquire into my views on UK departure from the EU, its assumed that any logic and reasoning behind leavers sentiments are akin to mentality of the prejudicial Little Englander

Oh, for sure. People voted for change, which is their right. If they saw the EU as a form of foreign imposed rule, it made sense (at the time) to vote leave. Many left-leaning voters also went with leave because they don't care for the EU, either. Not everyone who voted leave was a swivel-eyed loon but at the same time you can be damn sure all the swivel-eyed loons voted leave :-)

Fwiw, I agree that the people voted and their concerns should be addressed. Leave the result as it is and deal with what happens next. But also, don't ignore the concerns of other people affected by the fallout.

Jonathan Pie is an anti-Brexit comedian. I don't see how liking is comedy reveals anything about anyone's position on the political spectrum

Pie is written by Andrew Doyle, a far-right extremist. Doyle works for Spiked Online. Spiked Online is funded by Charles Koch.

https://www.desmog.co.uk/2018/12/04/spiked-lm-dark-money-koch-brothers

It's pretty clear, don't you think?

@toasted

Tbf to Tangerine, I think it's natural to be concerned over issues happening in other parts of the world without actually living there.

I'm afraid I didn't catch the comment you were replying to, but I appreciate your comments.

@Peeping_Tom

Wonderful idea! Preferably if you don't have to live with consequences of it.

It is entirely possible to live in Japan with the intention to move back to the UK in a few years. As you are aware, Brexit is the biggest decision that will affect my home country for generations. I think it's fair that I have an opinion as I also took part in the referendum.

Basically this vote is a message to the rest of the world that the UK is completely spineless. Only 43 votes, what a shame.

Hi Toasted Heretic, it would reckless beyond belief for there ever to be a return to Irish border controls, brought about by the UK desire to leave the European Union.

This message vividly brought across to me from a Brighton colleague who alluded to be an Ulster Women.

I understand prior to 1922, Ulster, a province consisting of nine counties, Down, Derry, Antrim, Armagh, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan.

Now, another team member seated on a adjacent table earwigging and rubbernecking our conversation, barked, nope, Ulster is Northern Ireland an consists of only six counties.

The Lady stood up with a full 250ml glass of red wine and from a distance of some five metres launched the contents over him.

So the lesson for me that day is the whole subject of the North and South divide is volatile and provocative.

So the lesson for me that day is the whole subject of the North and South divide is volatile and provocative.

That's putting it mildly. But not everyone results to the armalite or amarone! And that's the hope that post-Brexit, the nightmare of the past will not return. But Stormont is still in limbo and the dissidents are still out there, combine that with the sheer ignorance of certain Westminster politicians and you have a heady brew.

Brexit is being badly handled and it's not just people in GB who will suffer as a result if it goes off the rails. Some people don't seem to recognise this.

Unfortunately, UK doesn't know what to do.

May is the worst PM we've ever had. Parliament has nothing but contempt for the referendum result, contempt for the people, and most importantly, they contempt for democracy.

What on earth was the point in asking us to decide, if all they're going to do is ignore us anyway?Our parliament is rotten to the core.

@silvafan

I haven't changed my mind and I don't know anyone else who voted leave who has changed their mind either. I do however know people who voted to remain, but wouldn't do so now.

The only people going around saying "leave voters didn't understand what they were voting for" are people who never wanted to leave in the first place.

I haven't changed my mind and I don't know anyone else who voted leave who has changed their mind either. I do however know people who voted to remain, but wouldn't do so now.

Logical fallacy!

The only people going around saying "leave voters didn't understand what they were voting for" are people who never wanted to leave in the first place.

But.........you are wrong!

REGREXIT?

The poll showed sentiment shifting in whole cities, including Birmingham, Luton, Nottingham, Slough and Southampton, all now solidly “remain” having originally voted leave.

Sunderland, a city whose early results of a strong leave vote rocked sterling on referendum night, has seen support for leave fall by more than 10 points, with just 50.6 percent now backing departure from the bloc.

Survation interviewed 20,000 people online between Oct. 20 and Nov. 2, which it said was the largest independent poll since the referendum.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll/regrexit-british-voters-would-now-back-staying-in-the-eu-poll-shows-idUSKCN1NA2KL

I doubt the number of "anyone you know" is greater than 20,000 people, and this just one poll. I can link several other articles with different surveys that have similar polling results!

Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum - poll

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/06/britons-would-now-vote-to-stay-in-eu-want-second-referendum---poll.html

LOL! Here is another to prove my point!

I haven't changed my mind and I don't know anyone else who voted leave who has changed their mind either

Well, according to your posting history you support Rees-Mogg for Prime Minister and think Jonathan Pie is the funniest "comedian" in the UK. I think that clearly indicates your position on Brexit and your place in the political spectrum. People of your opinion are hardly likely to change, are they.

The main issue was that most people who decided to leave didn't understand what leaving meant until it was too late. Evidence has already proved it to be true.

Brexit is our Trump moment. Bought and paid for by shadowy American billionaire libertarians, disaster capitalists, US Agrobusiness corporations and organized by Cambridge Analytica/SCL. They are still pumping hundreds of thousands of pounds of dark money into leave advertising.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/revealed-how-dark-money-is-winning-brexit-influencing-ga/

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/government-ordered-to-end-secrecy-over-jacob-rees-moggs-hard-brexit-erg-lobby-group/

The EU warned that voting against no-deal Brexit wasn't enough to stop it. By law, Britain will leave the EU on March 29, with or without a deal, unless it cancels Brexit or secures a delay.

Exactly and that's what I said yesterday.

"There are only two ways to leave the EU: with or without a deal," a European Commission official said. "The EU is prepared for both. To take no deal off the table, it is not enough to vote against no deal - you have to agree to a deal."

Exactly. Why would the EU want an extension? European elections are coming up in 2 months after the Brexit deadline and they are reallocating the seats of the British MEPs. An extension could be troublesome for Europe as it could mean British MEPs remaining in parliament even AFTER leaving the EU because there is no LEGAL precedent for them not remain in parliament. Therefore, for the EU it would be better for them to simply say to the UK, "Look, either you take May's deal, leave without a deal, or cancel Brexit altogether."

I really think that its going to be a no deal brexit. And the UK really NEEDS to start looking at what other options it has. Its either that or just cancel brexit altogether. But I personally blame the UK as the UK itself is unsure of what it wants.

Best line I've read regarding the Commons vote blocking a no-deal Brexit :“It's like the Titanic voting for the iceberg to get out of the way”. The EU will not budge.

No one is happy to see GB in this situation, but as adults, you sleep in the bed that you've made.

The minsters, responsible for the parliamentary political pandemonium, the betrayal of a referendum, a mandate, either for better or for worse, as the UK electorate voted to leave the European Union are Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, David Lidington, de facto deputy to PM Theresa May, Chief Whip Julian Smith, Number 10 Chief of Staff Gavin Barwell, and Permanent Secretary at the Department for Exiting the European Union Oliver Robbins.

From the moment after Theresa May’s gave her Lancaster House speech to the present chaotic situation these three minsters plus a bureaucrat have been plotting, scheming and undermining at every turn the United Kingdoms departure from the European Union.

All directly, or in-directly responsible for the policy and strategy for UK negotiations, accumulating in the orchestration of atrocious terms contained in Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration. Producing the means to overturn the 23rd June 2016 Referendum result. All by their very design.

Thursday, Parliament will vote on whether to send May back to Brussels to request an extension to Article 50.

If Axel Springer media group Politico EU, is correct in reporting briefings from EU commission diplomatic sources insisting that a Article 50 extention would be positivity received if requested, then I suggest the methodology exists that could lead to a second referendum or a General Election.

Although I understand May wants a third crack next week attempting to shovel her pile of poo again through the commons.

Personally I would not get too hung up on polling forecasts.

YouGov uses multilevel regression and post-stratification models that pools data across constituencies that utilise estimated census numbers against a range of probabilities.

The model was development by Professor Ben Lauderdale (London School of Economics).....The issue lies as Professor John Curtice insists on, non voter turn out. Not whether voters have changed there minds

The UK elites, hand in hand with the EU elites, are hard at work conspiring against the British voters.

Yeah, nah. More like UK's elites (can we still call them 'elites' though after such display of incompetence?) shooting themselves in the foot with one of the most poorly conceived, planned and executed referendum in history. Your lot -on both sides- are being schooled & ridiculed (in English!) everyday by out of touch euro technocrats who can't believe their luck! Can't you guys see that Barnier & co are having a field day and have been outperforming your boys every single day for the last 3 years!?

I do feel sorry for British voters (remainers AND leavers, plenty of decent ppl on both sides) though. Completely understand that some ppl may want to go it alone, but you gotta find the right leader(s), project/program etc first. (rees-mogg's a caricature of an 'english pollie'. Is he PM material? hope not!)

results? resorts, obvs.

@silvafan

Adding 'LOL' to the end of your comments just detracts from your argument.

Here is a very interesting article by the UK's leading poll expert John Curtice that you should have a look at if you believe what you are saying:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/are-voters-ready-to-leave-with-no-deal/

@Alfie Noakes

Jonathan Pie is an anti-Brexit comedian. I don't see how liking is comedy reveals anything about anyone's position on the political spectrum.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a Brexiteer. He actually knows his onions and is clear with his intentions. Naturally almost all who voted for Brexit would support him leading the process.

If you think I am a conservatiive supporter however, you couldn't be more wrong.

The UK elites, hand in hand with the EU elites, are hard at work conspiring against the British voters. The vote was about Brexit, period. It was not about hard or soft or backstop or all the other sophistry that the "remain" addicted elites of both parties came up with.

Time for the pitchforks.

@Alfie Noakes

Except the actor Tom Walker who plays Jonathan Pie has stated he is anti Brexit on his Twitter.

Here is an interesting watch- its the EU parliament meeting just yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ5dVyqYBS8