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U.S., Iran step back from the brink; region still on edge

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Even so, Trump's takeaway was that “Iran appears to be standing down, which is a good thing for all parties concerned and a very good thing for the world."

Even better for the world would be for Trump to literally "stand down"

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Basically, Iran is the adult in the room.

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Good.

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Perfect response from our President. Iran notified the US in advance of the attack so no one was hurt.,very smart of them.

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Great move by Trump. This is the best slap to Nansi and to the left. Obama paid 200 billion and hard cash 1.8 billion to Iran. That is the money of US tax payers. Then Iran Chanted Death to America Death to America.... when receiving the money. This is the Adult Iran????... They used that hard cash to kill over 600 American Military personals..... Finally trump send a message to them, Trump showed the world what is truly the Islamic Iran and the mind of terrorist leaders. Left were expecting a all out war.. but now disappointed.. Trump is a very good strategist.

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What is important is that the corrupt presence of America in this region comes to an end.”

I agree, but because the globe's economies remain so dependent on burning huge amounts of fossil fuels, which Arabian/Persian Gulf states have in great abundance, and because the US's ruling class (aka the 'elite', the 'establishment') derive their wealth from the fossil economy, they'll continue to apply pressure on Trump, their corrupt tool, to keep the US mired in the oily muck of the ME. And anywhere else oil can be found.

Plus Trump and his fellow US fossils know war makes their investments in defense corporations grow. Follow the money. On that note, has anyone seen Trump's most current tax info to see which corporations profiting from wars he's invested in?

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@burningbush Basically, Iran is the adult in the room.

That's one perspective. Have your sources at the Internet Research Agency said anything about Putin telling his Iranian partners not to retaliate?

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And the media continue to praise this guy and don him with accolades instead of calling him what he was: a murderous barbaric terrorist.

Is your point that some outlets have perspectives different from yours? Or are you saying that's how you've interpreted what some outlets have said. Isn't great having a free, for profit press where individuals can get a full array of perspectives and interpret what's reported according to their own viewpoints. To me that's much better than state controlled media like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other authoritarian states have.

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I agree, but because the globe's economies remain so dependent on burning huge amounts of fossil fuels, which Arabian/Persian Gulf states have in great abundance, and because the US's ruling class (aka the 'elite', the 'establishment') derive their wealth from the fossil economy,

Well, you won’t be able to change that. Criso won’t get us from point A to point B and you won’t be able to make crayons or spoons with it. Either you use oil or you can try and make paper cars or how about paper planes? Not sure how many people it’ll be able to carry but.....

they'll continue to apply pressure on Trump, their corrupt tool, to keep the US mired in the oily muck of the ME. And anywhere else oil can be found. 

Naw, as hardheaded as Trump is, the man hates war, always had, but as pro American as he is, he just won’t tolerate an out of control Iran, that’s it and now that Iran did their little temper tantrum response and lied and claimed that 30 Americans were killed to appease their masses they do know their limits and what would happen to them were they to really kill Americans, they’re crazy, but not suicidal, the Mullahs like their posh lifestyle and their positions, they don’t want to give that up for anything or anyone. So they fired their short range missiles to make a point and to show they have somewhat of a backbone and now they’ll be ok and all of their common senses have all returned to them.

Plus Trump and his fellow US fossils know war makes their investments in defense corporations grow.

Nonsense, they know that war is not a popular thing with the American people, this is why Trump is at odds with a lot of his Pentagon senior officials.

Follow the money. On that note, has anyone seen Trump's most current tax info to see which corporations profiting from wars he's invested in?

What??? Oh, wow....lol

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Is your point that some outlets have perspectives different from yours? Or are you saying that's how you've interpreted what some outlets have said. Isn't great having a free, for profit press where individuals can get a full array of perspectives and interpret what's reported according to their own viewpoints. To me that's much better than state controlled media like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other authoritarian states have.

Except that there is a big difference between different perspectives and outright falsehoods. Soleimani was a terrorist directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands, including hundreds of Americans. He and his organization were labeled as such during the Obama administration. There is no defending him.

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Basically, Iran is the adult in the room

Wow. This is twice now that you’ve called out Donny for being an imbecile that makes spur of the moment decisions he constantly has to walk back.

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Perfect response from our President. Iran notified the US in advance of the attack so no one was hurt.,very smart of them.

Typical Trumpophile response. Praise Donny for not continuing to screw up things after he creates a problem. Telling.

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Wonder what's on the agenda next week, media? Back to impeachment? Orange Man Bad!

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Praise Donny for not continuing to screw up things after he creates a problem. Telling.

The good thing about conservatives is, we don’t always have that monolithic thinking like liberals

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I guess Trump's strike got Iran scared that there's a possibility that the US would use the excuse to flatten them like a pancake so they had to step back. Trump is a bit of a gambler.

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This is twice now that you’ve called out Donny for being an imbecile 

The Russian/pro-Russia/anti-Americans who supported Trump's election have got what they wanted from him, which was to weaken the US. Now that he's done that, they're turning on him. Something about a sinking ship...

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“He had no answer about Plan B,”

Not just no plan B.

He, Pompeo and his highers (or they) quite often got no plan at all!

Instigate something and wait for what will happen.

Then praise your own greatness and hope people will believe you.

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Even better for the world would be for Trump to literally "stand down"

It wasn't Trump as most seem to not know the real culprit behind the scenes. That's the bum that people should be bashing if they need someone to bash. Iran sending missiles to areas where they did was only a farce as they are not idiots knowing their own doom. But follow the money, who gave them billions and but yet continues US bashing and ranting; it is not only the Iranians but the few making sure their names are all over the headlines but keeping and protecting their heavy investment and money making schemes quiet from the public in the form of 3rd party investment firms as board members or shell companies. hmmm. wonder who they are?

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@bas4fThe good thing about conservatives is, we don’t always have that monolithic thinking like liberals

Would an example of 'monolithic thinking' include mentioning liberals/dems/socialists in every post?

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Trump didn't actually say this word for word, but he may as well have:

Trump yesterday: We're safer today, thanks to the active steps my administration has taken, than we ever were before under the Obama administration.

Trump today: I want every American out of Iraq immediately and the Americans at home should use extreme caution when venturing outside their homes and they need to keep your eyes open for possible terrorists. I'll also be sending extra troops to that region.

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The good thing about conservatives is, we don’t always have that monolithic thinking like liberals

Good one, Bass. I think you have a bright future in comedy. If not comedy, then gaslighting.

Never mind that a cursory perusal if these threads demonstrate conservatives spouting the same messages whilst “liberals” have a diversity of views.

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Now Iraq is officially under US occupation again. As for sanctions, it was one of the principle reasons for the Pacific war with the USA.

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Wonder what's on the agenda next week, media? Back to impeachment? Orange Man Bad!

Yeah, media! Damn you all to hell for reporting on Donny’s words and actions. Why can’t you all just people like the folks over at Fox “News” and simply cheer everything Donny?!

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Now Iraq is officially under US occupation again. As for sanctions, it was one of the principle reasons for the Pacific war with the USA.

Why did the US place sanctions on Japan before Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor? Answer: Japan was raping Asia.

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The Russian/pro-Russia/anti-Americans who supported Trump's election have got what they wanted from him, which was to weaken the US.

The Iranians stood down, if that’s weakness, then it’s a good thing.

Now that he's done that, they're turning on him.

Who?

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Never mind that a cursory perusal if these threads demonstrate conservatives spouting the same messages whilst “liberals” have a diversity of views.

They run on the same talking points day by day...I’ll admit to this, they’re diverse in physical appearance, attacks on Trump, not at all, all in lockstep.

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They run on the same talking points day by day...I’ll admit to this, they’re diverse in physical appearance, attacks on Trump, not at all, all in lockstep.

What?

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So 22 missiles zero US casualties and Iran one terrorist funeral and 40 trampled to death? Okay.

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This isn't over yet. In the Middle East, it's never over. The thing the US has to decide is, does it want to send its troops home, or keep them there? World profile, or isolationism? Does it want in, or out?

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Now that he's done that, they're turning on him.

@bas4ff Who?

The Internet Research Agency posters, the ones who brought Trump's fearful followers pizzagate, the ones who used the NRA and KKK to spread their messages, the ones whose posts many Trump supporters - who claimed to be Americans - parroted.

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Naw, as hardheaded as Trump is, the man hates war, always had

Well, your right that he hated war enough to dodge the draft but he did lie about opposing the Iraq War. Bit of a mixed bag.

Anyway, this is a good development.

Just be prepared for screaming 180s from Trump supporters if he tweets some trash later in the day.

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Looks to me like:

Khamenei - 0

Trump - 2

Clear message, 'no more untouchables'

Trump has finally drawn Iran out from hiding behind their proxies, genius move (unless there are secrets stuff we don't know about).

If I was Assad, I would be very worried now...(Obama - 1, but courtesy of Trump).

My take - 2020 is going to be better than 2019, AND we all don't have to worry about the swamp dictating foreign policy either. Trump has pretty much said schreibe the swamp.

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He didn’t create a problem, he solved it. A worldwide terrorist is dead due to his decisive action. Thanks Trump!

Typical Trumpophile response. Praise Donny for not continuing to screw up things after he creates a problem. Telling.

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He didn’t create a problem, he solved it. A worldwide terrorist is dead due to his decisive action. Thanks Trump!

Haha. Keep telling yourself that.

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IMHO, Obama had no chance, not against the swamp. Look at the who's whos involved in driving the Obama nuke deal.

https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-rouhani-europe-20160128-story.html

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When it’s two wrong don’t make a right why is the wrong that already exists your team’s previous wrong? always.

Barely literate conservatives should learn that the two wrongs don’t make a right.

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The Internet Research Agency posters, the ones who brought Trump's fearful followers pizzagate, the ones who used the NRA and KKK to spread their messages, the ones whose posts many Trump supporters - who claimed to be Americans - parroted.

Aha....wow! Lol

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So you preferred that Trump retaliated? Iran told us 3 different channels in advance and likely missed on purpose.

They want no part of a Trump response. Put out a statement right after saying they don’t want a war or any retaliation.? So we win and gracefully let them survive. Now let’s bring our troops home,

Haha. Keep telling yourself that.

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Hey Trumpers, did you see that big Red Line Trump drew in the sand? You retaliate and attack us and we will respond by “targeting 52 Iranian sites” and that some are “at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD.”

Looks like your boy choked - what was hit very hard and very fast? Maybe the local McDonalds?

Don't bleat at us anymore about Obama's Red Line in Syria - Donnie just did the same thing - he caved...

The same thing he did when he said "Mexico will pay for the wall, mark my words"....

Well, one thing you can always mark about Donnie's words - they're nothing but BS from a serial liar...

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Barely literate conservatives should learn that the two wrongs don’t make a right.

But appeasement is right, I see. Cluck, cluck.

Well, your right that he hated war enough to dodge the draft but he did lie about opposing the Iraq War. Bit of a mixed bag. 

Well, he wasn’t the first President to dodge the war, so it really doesn’t matter, always opposed it, no mixed up bag there.

Anyway, this is a good development. 

I agree.

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Yeah, media! Damn you all to hell for reporting on Donny’s words and actions. Why can’t you all just people like the folks over at Fox “News” and simply cheer everything Donny?!

"reporting"... funny.

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I don't care which side "caves in" or "stands down". If it avoids escalating the conflict into all-out war, it's a good thing.

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Looks like your boy choked -

But the Iranians choked even harder, warning the Iraqis before the strike knowing they would tell us. Brilliant.

Don't bleat at us anymore about Obama's Red Line in Syria - Donnie just did the same thing - he caved...

No, he decimated Soleimani. Lol

Well, one thing you can always mark about Donnie's words - they're nothing but BS from a serial liar...

Yeah, that’s why the Iranians are taking a more cautionary tone.

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U.S., Iran step back from the brink; region still on edge

I guess WWIII was just a passing fancy in the minds of the American Left. They keep predicting a war and economic collapse but it never comes true.

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Iran does not want a war now because they know that if Trump is leading a war during the election, then Trump will win again. They are thinking long term.

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Somebody's been having a word in the tyrant's ear. This was teleprompter Trump, rather than Twitter Trump. Whilst my heart goes out to anyone suffering from mental illness, his lies and flip-flopping every other moment, is quite worrying.

Nobody can believe a word this man says. And that puts the world in danger.

And the media continue to praise this guy and don him with accolades instead of calling him what he was: a murderous barbaric terrorist.

I've been calling Trump that for quite a while now.

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Smart move by Iran.

Iran has shown that they can land multiple rockets with great accuracy on far away bases..... Bahrain, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi easy targets. US troops will be out of Iraq by the end of the year.

I understand it must really hurt the US right that they spent all that wealth and lost all those lives in Iraq just to hand the country over to Iranian influence.

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Barely literate conservatives should learn that the two wrongs don’t make a right.

But appeasement is right, I see. Cluck, cluck.

Appeasement as in saying he's "in love" with a murderous dictator and gave him three Summits that gained nothing...yep, that's appeasement...

Well, your right that he hated war enough to dodge the draft but he did lie about opposing the Iraq War. Bit of a mixed bag. 

Well, he wasn’t the first President to dodge the war, so it really doesn’t matter, always opposed it, no mixed up bag there.

BINGO! Dodge, as in cave, as in blink...

Anyway, this is a good development. 

I agree.

Yea, given that way he's acted towards Kim, he'll be sending love letters to the Mullahs next week...

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Trump Wins again for America !!

Liberals heads explode once again !!

The Planet Keeps turning !!

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This guy is typically a far-right Trump-bot, but he nailed the hypocrisy of the Trumpers here....

Tucker Carlson, the network’s conservative 8 p.m. host, upbraiding the White House for its attempts to justify the killing of a top military commander in Iran.

“It’s hard to remember now, but as recently as last week, most people didn’t consider Iran an imminent threat,” Carlson said at the start of his Monday show, going on to mock Trump’s secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, for saying intelligence agencies had identified an undefined Iranian threat.

“Seems like about 20 minutes ago, we were denouncing these people as the ‘deep state’ and pledging never to trust them again without verification,” Carlson told viewers, eyebrow arched. “Now, for some reason, we do trust them — implicitly and completely.”

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Trump Wins again for America !!

It's all a game to some people, isn't it? Never mind the fact that people have died, as a result of this assassination and unprovoked illegal act.

Liberals heads explode once again !!

More violent imagery from Trump supporters.

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Can’t liberals just once say that Trump did the right thing in de-escalating (which is whey everyone should have wanted)

nah you can’t. But but but he said he was gonna bomb all their stuff! Liar!

keep pouting liberals. Time to move back to something important/ impeachment* acquittal.

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Can’t liberals just once say that Trump did the right thing in de-escalating (which is whey everyone should have wanted)

I'm not a 'liberal' (which according to the global alt right glossary must mean an individual who doesn't blindly follow Trump and/or Putin) but as I've stated several times NOTHING trump does can - in my opinion as an individual - be right because his presence in the White House is a disgrace.

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nah you can’t. But but but he said he was gonna bomb all their stuff! Liar!

At least you can admit to him being a pathological liar. Good start.

Not sure about who these "liberals" yourself and others keep referring to, though.

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“I’m not a liberal”- then makes the most common liberal statement possible. Yeah sure.

NOTHING he does, did or ever will do was, is or can be good. Nothing.

Just because you don’t “like” him.

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Just because you don’t “like” him.

Mostly because I think he's a danger to the world. Reality: I've never liked him. I've never liked corrupt individuals who've used daddy's money to bully their way through life. And expected others to pick up pieces left over from messes they've made.

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His presence in the White House is the result of being duly elected by the American voters under the laws governing our election system.

since when did free election results become a disgrace? Some countries don’t even get to vote. Or is it only a disgrace when your side loses?

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hen makes the most common liberal statement possible

Again, you're using the global alt right's definition, which is similar to the global alt right's glossary from 1930's Europe.

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So how is not retaliating after being attacked putting the world in danger? How is killing a terrorist who by definition is terrorizing the world, putting the same works in danger.

it’s called “restraint” even when attacked and it’s good for the world to a point when actually is necessary to protect it.

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His presence in the White House is the result of being duly elected by the American voters under the laws governing our election system.

Here, let me fix that for you...*His presence in the White House is the result of *Putin's interference...

Now its consistent with the Senate REPUB Intel Committee's report....

since when did free election results become a disgrace? Some countries don’t even get to vote. Or is it only a disgrace when your side loses?

See Russia - home of Donnie's Master...

“I’m not a liberal”- then makes the most common liberal statement possible. Yeah sure

Liberal - everyone that doesn't cheer, screech, and head-nod at everything that Trump the Imperious says...

Can’t liberals just once say that Trump did the right thing in de-escalating (which is whey everyone should have wanted)

Can't Trumpers just once admit that their Sainted Leader blinked and caved from what he promised earlier?

Nah, not a chance....doesn't work that way in a cult...

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since when did free election results become a disgrace?

Free elections have never been a disgrace. I've never said that. I've said Trump is a disgrace, as an individual and as a politician.

I'm actually worried Trump's authoritarian beliefs will have negative effects on future free elections. He and the 'elite' 'establishment' backing him want to keep him in office. They're doing whatever they can to attack opposition, even appealing to foreign states to meddle in US affairs. The vehement opposition to Trump has come about in part because of his assaults on the free press and assaults on the balance and separation of powers.

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And everyone who voted for him wants to keep him in office too. Russians didn’t vote despite “but Putin” guy above.

He and the 'elite' 'establishment' backing him want to keep him in office.

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So now he “caved” huh? So I can presume you supported him to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age? Good idea in your liberal mind? makes the world safer? Uh huh.

Can't Trumpers just once admit that their Sainted Leader blinked and caved from what he promised earlier?

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Iran blinked as they informed us and many others in advance and then didn’t hit anything.then said in a statement they don’t want none. But ok, sure.

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Can't Trumpers just once admit that their Sainted Leader blinked and caved from what he promised earlier?

So now he “caved” huh? So I can presume you supported him to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age? Good idea in your liberal mind? makes the world safer? Uh huh.

Well, thanks for proving my point...can't admit it can you?

Donnie drew a Red Line and said he is going to attack 52 targets in Iran if they retaliate. Iran retaliated. Donnie did nothing.

So explain how that isn't a blink and a cave....

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Appeasement as in saying he's "in love" with a murderous dictator and gave him three Summits that gained nothing...yep, that's appeasement...

But if he goes to war, he’s a war monger? Lincoln, which one is it? Lol

BINGO! Dodge, as in cave, as in blink...

No, just making sure you’re historically consistent on that point.

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So explain how that isn't a blink and a cave....

Ask Soleimani, he can give you a better insight as to why that isn’t.

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Trump's Iran speech was pure and utter unadulterated genius.

Carrot ( in good time ) and BIG stick. Like how he was flanked by generals. It tells Iran he has options.

He gave the mullahs an off ramp. They're on it. Never been more proud of him. He is a Boss.

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I don't care which side "caves in" or "stands down". If it avoids escalating the conflict into all-out war, it's a good thing.

Post of the year, give this man/woman a standing ovation.

I'm with you, it's a lot harder to backdown ... takes courage on both sides.

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Because they blinked and caved first because they luckily didn’t hurt anyone when the attacked us. They made that perfectly clear through several sources by notifying us in advance.

so if Trump bombed them you supported it? You would say wow, he fit what he said!? No you would just make up something else.

we took out their general who was world terrorist. Didn’t “cave” or blink then and another attack since that was deemed unnecessary.

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Well, at least one Repub Senator is calling it like it is;

Most Republican senators on Wednesday left an Iran briefing from top Trump administration officials satisfied. Not Mike Lee. “The worst briefing I’ve seen — at least on a military issue — in my nine years” in the Senate, said the Utah Republican. Lee fumed that the officials warned against even debating legislation to restrict President Donald Trump’s authority to strike Iran — blasting their comments as “un-American” and “unconstitutional,” not to mention way too short. “They had to leave after 75 minutes while they’re in the process of telling us that we need to be good little boys and girls and run along and not debate this in public,” Lee said of the group that gave the briefing, which included Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and CIA Director Gina Haspel. “I find that absolutely insane.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/08/republican-hawks-trump-iran-conflict-096233

Insane - very accurate description Senator Lee of the current resident of the White House...and his Apprentice-like foreign policy...

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I do agree that Trump should have retaliated by striking some sites to not disappoint his anti groupie. It was just funny because they were the ones screaming bloody murder on Trump for starting ww3 just a few posts ago and on the same day even. Really fun stuff, man.

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No consistency of narrative here at all. Just a loop of liberal/Trump hating “can’t win no matter what choice is made” game.

cause like other guy said NOTHING he can do will ever be good or right. I appreciate that honesty, now liberals need to work to get a “consistent” message to go with the newfound honesty.

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Yep they wanted that WWW3 narrative of a crazed demented NEOCON warmonger soooooo bad. Needed something to blame the 2020 Trump re-election on.

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Appeasement as in saying he's "in love" with a murderous dictator and gave him three Summits that gained nothing...yep, that's appeasement...

But if he goes to war, he’s a war monger? Lincoln, which one is it? Lol

You're saying he's a war-monger? Congratulations - you just realized he was a NEOCON all along...Buyers remorse?

BINGO! Dodge, as in cave, as in blink...

No, just making sure you’re historically consistent on that point.

Your word in black and white - "DODGE"... I'm sure you didn't mean the car....

Trump's Iran speech was pure and utter unadulterated genius.

Carrot ( in good time ) and BIG stick. Like how he was flanked by generals. It tells Iran he has options.

He gave the mullahs an off ramp. They're on it. Never been more proud of him. He is a Boss.

Can boot-licking and cult worship be any more clearer?

So explain how that isn't a blink and a cave....

Ask Soleimani, he can give you a better insight as to why that isn’t.

Or, I can't without admitting my Dear Leader blinked and caved...not allowed inside the Trump Cult....

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But if he goes to war, he’s a war monger? Lincoln, which one is it? Lol

:-)....love the confusion in a Trump thread, some people are so busy dissin' Trump they even forgot what they wanted in the first place.

I bet if Trump gave em a bucket of gold, they'll complain it's too heavy to carry.

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Hopefully this will lead to an end to the attacks since both sides can spin this as a victory. Trump can claim that the Iranians stood down by not killing anyone, and the Iranians can claim the US stood down by not responding to ballistic missiles being fired at our troops. Let's hope it holds.

I watched mostly coverage from Fox News last night which was pretty interesting. If you can get major news events early on it's a source of information, before they have a chance to spin things into an anti-liberal narrative. Then the entertainment wing takes over and milks the ratings out of the elderly and uneducated.

Tucker Carlson is the outlier now, criticizing Trump for the escalations and having no overall plan. His guests reinforced his views with a lot of "Where do we go from here?" questions. No mention of Obama during the time I watched. Lot's of talk about the confusing and conflicting contradictions from Trump.

By the time Hannity came on they had time to prepare the anti-liberal narrative. Obama. Pallets of cash. Disastrous nuclear deal. The usual script. Ted Cruz started off the interview by talking exclusively about Obama (and pallets of cash) then right after Marco Rubio came on and did the same thing (also mentioning pallets of cash) and Trump followed it up this morning talking about Obama financing Iran (pallets of cash).

What I've come to learn is that this narrative is inserted to replace commentary about Trump's strategy/tactics. They won't touch it with a 10-foot pole. The conversation starts with Obama's weakness and ends with Trump's bravery but they never get around to asking what happens next. And they never, ever, ever mention Iran's enrichment or the lack of a replacement deal. Ever.

I think for now the US can claim a brief victory but Iran is playing the long game. They've already gotten American and European civilians out of Iraq. The military will be next. Iran will always be in Iraq even if every single Iranian left since part of the Iraqi government is aligned with them. In the end this could be a situation where the US and Iraq walk away from each other and Iran takes over.

We don't really know since Trump is too emotional and tends to under and over-react. He has no idea what he's going to get Iran to stop enriching and stop meddling in the Middle East. He wants to bring the troops home but he also wants to punish people as a way to achieve his goals, which change daily.

Bolton is smiling now, claiming the biggest victory out of everyone. The neocons are back.

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You're saying he's a war-monger?

I never did, you’re all over the place as usual.

Congratulations - you just realized he was a NEOCON all along...Buyers remorse?

Not a Neocon, but a guy I personally wouldn’t want to mess with and now that Iran is retreating we can start off with a clean slate.

Your word in black and white - "DODGE"... I'm sure you didn't mean the car....

Or, I can't without admitting my Dear Leader blinked and caved...

Solimani doesn’t think so.

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I just watched Trump's speech - he was slurring his words left and right - he doesn't drink so it has to be dementia. He said “For far too long, all the way back to 1979, to be exact, nations have tolerated Iran’s destructive and destabilizing behavior in the Middle East and beyond.

But he pronounced tolerated as toler"i"ted...

https://popculture.com/trending/2020/01/08/twitter-roasts-donald-trump-mispronouncing-word-tolerated-iran-missile-attack/

His decline shows every time he steps in front of a camera. Time to resign and retire to Mar-A-Lago...

As this past week has shown, the last thing we need in the White House is a NEOCON in the latter stages of Alzheimer's...

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Iran backs militia groups in the region and America backs militia groups in the region, so they are as bad as each other. Thankfully this saving face exercise seems to have been carefully choreographed to avoid more serious conflict.

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bass: They run on the same talking points day by day

Salacious dossier, top echelon of the FBI, duly elected president. Pallets of cash.

You guys not only have the same opinions you have the same words. Literally. I have a running statement that if you hear the same exact wording from 3 conservatives then there's a memo and they've all gotten it. Then we can move on to the chants.

black: So I can presume you supported him to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age? So how is not retaliating after being attacked putting the world in danger? How is killing a terrorist who by definition is terrorizing the world, putting the same works in danger? Since when did free election results become a disgrace? But but but he said he was gonna bomb all their stuff! Liar! So you preferred that Trump retaliated?

Your problem is that you aren't reading the comments. You just strip all context out of the situation and throw words at people as your response. It's how "I don't support the wall" gets turned into, "So it's OK for illegals to walk in?" You aren't talking to us, you're talking to some imaginary liberal in your head who believes all kinds of crazy crap. We're right here in front of you. Read and think, then respond.

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You're saying he's a war-monger?

I never did, you’re all over the place as usual.

The only place I'm at is on your post - where you asked if he was a war-monger....your words....

Congratulations - you just realized he was a NEOCON all along...Buyers remorse?

Not a Neocon, but a guy I personally wouldn’t want to mess with and now that Iran is retreating we can start off with a clean slate.

Dick Cheney disagrees with you...and its OK to admit you were conned - just ask a Trump U grad....

Or, I can't without admitting my Dear Leader blinked and caved...

Solimani doesn’t think so.

Maybe, but the Mullahs sure know now - as does Kim and Xi....

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I bet if Trump gave em a bucket of gold, they'll complain it's too heavy to carry.

I would think it was stolen. Corrupt individual, corrupt businessman, corrupt politician.

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and most of you just oppose whatever Trump does, even if it contradicts the position you just had.

Dont attack Iran! Doesnt attack Iran, as you wanted. He doesnt follow through!

You should read through your own side "logical" progression and realize your reaction is always anti-Trump, even when he does what is actually right or what you just proposed yesterday.

We're right here in front of you. Read and think, then respond.

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case in point.

I bet if Trump gave em a bucket of gold, they'll complain it's too heavy to carry.

I would think it was stolen. Corrupt individual, corrupt businessman, corrupt politician.

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I bet if Trump gave em a bucket of gold, they'll complain it's too heavy to carry.

I would think it was stolen. Corrupt individual, corrupt businessman, corrupt politician.

I'd say the gold must have come from Moscow...

I'd think he melted down Melania's jewelry without her knowing about it...

I'd bet it was plastic blocks colored over with a Gold Sharpie...

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Trump's Iran speech was pure and utter unadulterated genius.

He said he would strike 52 sites if Iran retaliated he backed down pure and simple. Iran fired 12 rockets at US base snd they all landed close by, do you think they all missed or Iran missed on purpose to show America that the can and will hit targets when they chose to. Iran missile tech is far better than Americans think , they can shoot a US drone from their skies they most certainly hit targets in Iraq

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so are you unhappy that he didnt retaliate?

do you also think Iran didnt intentionally miss?

"backing down" was what liberals and Dems claimed MUST happen. So why the anger and mockery?

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Nancy knew Trump had it covered. Our military base was attacked, she said she would closely monitor the situation, then she went to a party at a restaurant in DC instead. All is well, indeed.

This is after not answering the phone call from the VP when he called her to notify her of the initial attack. "I will call him back later"- thats really an adult response, especially after all the "I wasnt notified" histronics.

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Cannot say it was maturity from Donny, but its good that there is no more retaliation.

And no soldiers getting killed is even better news.

However US will have to withdraw from Iraq sooner or later, there are plenty of local militias still out for revenge.

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@blacklabSome countries don’t even get to vote.

And in the US, Wisconsin Republicans are blocking all Republican challengers so Trump can run unopposed. Not quite Putin jailing opponents, but a start.

Wisconsin Republicans block Trump's primary opponents from the ballot

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/07/wisconsin-republicans-try-keep-trumps-primary-opponents-off-ballot/2828023001/

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Toasted Heretic - It's all a game to some people, isn't it? Never mind the fact that people have died, as a result of this assassination and unprovoked illegal act.

Iranian General Soleimani was killed on his own chosen battlefield of Iraq.

Trump, and the U.S., has been very patient with Soleimani, and the other terrorists running Iran. Trump has made it very clear that the U.S. will respond if Iran, or their proxies, kill Americans. It appears that Iran has gotten the message. Iran responded to the battlefield killing of Soleimani by making a spectacular nighttime display of missiles streaking across the sky. Missile launches that weren't intended to kill Americans. Killing Americans would have made orange man mad.

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You guys not only have the same opinions you have the same words.

Says the people that support the Russia hoax theory. ROFL!

Your problem is that you aren't reading the comments.

I do, I just don’t think you guys do to be honest.

You aren't talking to us, you're talking to some imaginary liberal in your head who believes all kinds of crazy crap. We're right here in front of you. Read and think, then respond.

And this is the reason why Dems won’t retake the WH. Instead of focusing on resolving problems and solutions, they want to verbally attack any opposition, but they fail to understand why it’s being opposed in the first place. I’m liberal and I’m always right because by default I’m superior. Let’s hope in 4 years Liberals will realize how much their errors have cost them.

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The only place I'm at is on your post -

Please calm down, you’re all over the place. lol

Dick Cheney disagrees with you

Joe Lieberman disagrees with you.

...and its OK to admit you were conned - just ask a Trump U grad....

Or, I can't without admitting my Dear Leader blinked and caved...

Solimani doesn’t think so.

Maybe, but the Mullahs sure know now - as does Kim and Xi....

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@bas4fthey want to verbally attack any opposition

Have you read any of your posts?

Says the people that support the Russia hoax theory. ROFL!

Those who don't believe Russia meddled in US elections believe the Kremlin's accounts instead. They're free to do that in their quests to undermine US democratic systems. But then Trump supporters have been consistent in saying all along they wanted to do just that. What's confusing is those very same Trump supporters claimed they wanted him to take power away from the 'elite', the 'establishment', but now they recognize Trump's a tool for the elite, they suddenly have switched saying what's good for Wall Street, big oil, big defense and all the other bigs that make up the establishment is good. SMH

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Great move by Trump. This is the best slap to Nansi and to the left. Obama paid 200 billion and hard cash 1.8 billion to Iran. That is the money of US tax payers.

I keep on hearing about Obama giving money to Iran. But the money that was handed over to Iran with the deal was Iranian money that was seized by the US, not from US taxpayers. If you really are concerned about US taxpayers' money, how about the billions that are given to Israel every year?

Anyway, I suspect Trump is delaying an all out war with Iran because he is using the situation to negotiate something; perhaps with the Israeli government to offer immunity to his friend Netanyahu. If he gives them now what they are demanding from him, he will have left to negotiate with.

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Whether you agree with the strike or not,Iran's restrained response is a victory of sorts for Trump.Now we're gonna have to hear about it till November election day.Unless...

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Anybody who thinks war fears have eased is enough of a simpleton to vote for Trump.

Trump is now calling himself "Wartime Commander."

Trump is more like a"Slimy Orange Salamander."

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Have you read any of your posts? 

And your side of attacks against the President are pure emotional outbursts. I get it, the last 8 years was tough, but you’ll get over it, I did,

Those who don't believe Russia meddled in US elections believe the Kremlin's accounts instead.

We believe it, but we’re not obsessed. We could talk about Obama and Medvedev or how the Russians interfered in our US political system.

They're free to do that in their quests to undermine US democratic systems.

Like with the impeachment farce, tell Nancy it ain’t gonna happen.

But then Trump supporters have been consistent in saying all along they wanted to do just that. What's confusing is those very same Trump supporters claimed they wanted him to take power away from the 'elite', the 'establishment', but now they recognize Trump's a tool for the elite,

all presidents in some form or a matter are a tool of the party that they represent.

they suddenly have switched saying what's good for Wall Street, big oil, big defense and all the other bigs that make up the establishment is good. SMHll

French fry oil won’t cut it...well, guess oil it is,

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So far this has turned out good for the US and Trump, Iran have now found out what happens if they play around with the US now there is a President with the balls to take out the trouble makers.

Iran was able to have a face saving move by launching missles doing no damage and making no casualities, but put on a show for its hardliners who wanted a response. The iranians even said they want to it to end there without further escalation.

Trump is still president and has garnered more support in the US than he already had despite the hate for him you liberals have for him on here.

I see there is a handful of people on here who know what is going on and there is a bunch of trump haters who just hate him no matter what , but the fact is Trump won this round.

There needs to be a change in the middle east sooner or later that change needs to come from within Iran and from reading educated news and listening to educated speakers there is already a building momentum for that but the authorites working hard to crush them.

Most Hope the change does take place without too much more bloodshed.

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No we realize anyone can meddle In anything without being asked. Mueller checked if anyone asked and confirmed no one did.

We checked if Russians voted or were able to adjust the vote count- they didn’t. Move on. Disregard Russia meddling the same way you disregard Ukraine meddling.

Those who don't believe Russia meddled in US elections believe the Kremlin's accounts instead.

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Impeachment is over and so is the supposed start of World War 3.

liberals and Dems might want to refocus on the election and actually provide some solutions instead of constant criticism.

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so are you unhappy that he didnt retaliate?

didn't say that but its one of the few times he swallowed his ego and backed down, Im not so sure hell do it again next time, meanwhile Iran is full steam ahead enriching Uranium they wernt until Trump came in, so what's Trump going to do about it now, assassinate another general until they stop.

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Donny's speech, however was hilarious !!!

His insecurities on Obama makes him look like toddler jealous of an older sibling.

And Lindsey's comments on Fox were hilarious , he's obviously sacrificed a few lobes in his brain along with his balls!!!!

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Iran's restrained response is a victory of sorts for Trump.

how is it retrained , they show they can shoot down drones with Russian made missiles, the show they can strike bases at will within Iraq. why havent we heard of any US planes or drones flying over Iran anymore.

Iran isnt a war America can win especially when China & Russia start supplying them weapons

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how is it restrained 

By the mere fact Iran's response was really a token effort to de-escalate and at the same time show the people they were taking action.Yes,they can do all that you said,but the fact remains,they're not at war and for the uproar of the general's killing,I was surprised by that tepid response.Facts.

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Anyone think that Trump's policy is targeted assassination's not a full on war, there might be more to come

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how is it retrained , they show they can shoot down drones with Russian made missiles, the show they can strike bases at will within Iraq. why havent we heard of any US planes or drones flying over Iran anymore.

Because we don’t need to, we killed the most important person to the Iranians, excellent move.

Iran isnt a war America can win especially

Actually we can and Iran knows it that is a reason why they scaled back and quickly, they also made sure to inform the Iraqis that they were going to launch an attack, because they knew that they would tell us, so this was done carefully and calculating by the Iranians.

when China & Russia start supplying them weapons

They can do that, the Russians are already hurting pretty hard by the sanctions and China doesn’t want any part of that either, so Russia is very careful about getting involved in this as China is as well.

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What a pity -- Hillary would have been able to handle the situation flawlessly.

It's a crying shame that the American voters in 2016 did not get the candidate they chose to be their President.

As a result, the Putinization of the American presidency continues apace (assassinations, etc.).

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Appears the war between the U.S. and Iran that the Code Pink republicans and global leftists were rooting for has ended before it started.

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"Iran isnt a war America can win.." wtfjapan

Well I mean could the U.S. obliterate Iran from the face of the earth with an atomic bomb? Yes although that is extreme leading to other sever consequences but sanctions work too, the rial to dollar ratio alone is laughable and only increasing as their economy sinks.

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The only place I'm at is on your post -

Please calm down, you’re all over the place. lol

On your post - with your words - "Is he a war monger?" If you have to ask, guess you don't know...

But the world knows now.... How's does it feel to have voted for a NEOCON?

Dick Cheney disagrees with you

Joe Lieberman disagrees with you.

Who's that?

Or, I can't without admitting my Dear Leader blinked and caved...

Solimani doesn’t think so.

Maybe, but the Mullahs sure know now - as does Kim and Xi....

No reply - thanks for agreeing with me....

Trumpers twisting in the wind trying to rationalize having been conned into voting for a RINO and NEOCON...

Best laugh of the day - after Donnie's hilarious news conference....I could barely "tolerite" it...

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