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Ukraine gets more military aid from Europe but Putin warns of consequences if Russian soil is hit

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President Vladimir Putin warned that hitting Russian soil with Western-supplied weapons could set the war on a dangerous new path.

No it won't. These are empty threats. Ukraine are fighting with one arm tied behind their back.

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2020, the US have always fought with a strongarm,but with political failures

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President Vladimir Putin warned that hitting Russian soil with Western-supplied weapons could set the war on a dangerous new path.

If Russia is hitting Ukraine from Russian soil, the opposite is more than fair.

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He needs to worry more about all his senior military leadership who have evidently turned on him, and who he is now firing or arresting...

Expect a lot more Russian Generals to accidently fall out of 8th story windows...

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but Putin warns of consequences i

Is Putin saying he and his fellow authoritarian powers are 'borg' and resistance is futile. That must be music to the ears of the pro-totalitarians and others that want a big brother to control them. Scare me, however. I'm content being responsible for my choices, I went through boot camp, then a few years in the military, plus lived in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, I'll take life in a democracy any day, rather than live under the thumb, guns and police of an all-powerful state, set up to serve first and foremost its leader.

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If Russia is hitting Ukraine from Russian soil, the opposite is more than fair.

With North Korean and Iranian weapons too. They might want to rethink that support in case some equivalence is applied.

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Putin is entirely correct here. The more the US and its followers keep escalating, the more Russia (and that means any Russian government, it has nothing to do with Putin) has to push back.

This war stops the moment the US stops funding it. The only moment the US funding stops, the Ukraine leadership has to come to the negotiating table (like they did in Istanbul).

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Ptownsend

 I went through boot camp, then a few years in the military, plus lived in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, I'll take life in a democracy any day, rather than live under the thumb, guns and police of an all-powerful state, set up to serve first and foremost its leader.

You call those places (plus Zelenskis Ukraine) democracies?

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Zelensky isn’t even a duly elected official anymore. Term has expired.

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Zaphod

Putin is entirely correct here. The more the US and its followers keep escalating, the more Russia (and that means any Russian government, it has nothing to do with Putin) has to push back.

In reality they aren't escalating. The border is an artificial boundary. But it doesn't matter, Putin has no threat to stop them.

This war stops the moment the US stops funding it.

It also stops the moment Russia withdraws. We should be aiming for that.

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President Vladimir Putin warned that hitting Russian soil with Western-supplied weapons could set the war on a dangerous new path.

No it won't. These are empty threats.

How do you know? Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?

He needs to worry more about all his senior military leadership who have evidently turned on him,

NAFO dreaming.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

No it won't. These are empty threats.

How do you know?

He has made these threats for every escalation, e.g., HIMARS and they have been empty.

Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?

I'm not. I'm pushing for Russia to withdraw. But whether Ukraine decides on ceasefire negotiation is up to them. Nobody else.

He needs to worry more about all his senior military leadership who have evidently turned on him,

NAFO dreaming.

Have you seen the number sacked generals?

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Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?

I'm not. I'm pushing for Russia to withdraw. But whether Ukraine decides on ceasefire negotiation is up to them. Nobody else.

Sure, and as we all know if NATO members stopped supplying the game changers the ceasefire negotiations would be happening in no time. ( as they were in Istanbul ). But neocons pulling the strings don't want peace, they want their long " strategic weakening of Russia".

He needs to worry more about all his senior military leadership who have evidently turned on him,........NAFO dreaming............Have you seen the number sacked generals?

Yes, for corruption, not for turning against Putin. Apart from the corruption, the military turning on their leader issues seem to be happening more in Kyiv recently.

Zelensky sacks bodyguard chief after foiled assassination plot -

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky dismissed the head of the the agency responsible for his protection after two of its officers were detained over an alleged assassination plot against him.

By Mariya Knight, CNN, Updated 7:10 AM EDT, Fri May 10, 2024

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Obviously it doesn't work such unbalanced. That means, it only works much more or equally balanced. No one with clear mind will of course supporting the use of nuclear arms. But if you ask me, the simple physical deployment of a few of such missiles in Ukraine, of course with a self-restricting announcement of only potentially using them as a last means of retaliation, will end this crazy brother's war immediately or is at least forcing Russia into war ending negotiations, because it is re-creating the balance needed here, when a pokerface like Putin always talks of a royal flush but holding only a pair of threes. BTW there was that balance before, as an aftermath of the Soviet Era, and both countries had such weapons installed. Ukraine is now under attack and near complete future occupation or extinction, only because they gave their nuclear armament away, not because they currently own it. They just won't make it with hands bound on back, without any threat potential, without a nearly same number of weapons and military personnel. That is of course completely impossible unless Russia would somehow give up generously.

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Ramsey's KitchenToday  09:33 am JST

Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?

I'm not. I'm pushing for Russia to withdraw. But whether Ukraine decides on ceasefire negotiation is up to them. Nobody else.

Sure, and as we all know if NATO members stopped supplying the game changers the ceasefire negotiations would be happening in no time. ( as they were in Istanbul ). But neocons pulling the strings don't want peace, they want their long " strategic weakening of Russia".

Surely that's Ukraine's decision, and they are asking for arms.

He needs to worry more about all his senior military leadership who have evidently turned on him,........NAFO dreaming............Have you seen the number sacked generals?

Yes, for corruption, not for turning against Putin. Apart from the corruption, the military turning on their leader issues seem to be happening more in Kyiv recently.

Everyone in Russia is guilty of corruption. That's how the game is played there. Dod you really think their sackings now are a result of corruption?

Zelensky sacks bodyguard chief after foiled assassination plot -

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky dismissed the head of the the agency responsible for his protection after two of its officers were detained over an alleged assassination plot against him.

By Mariya Knight, CNN, Updated 7:10 AM EDT, Fri May 10, 2024

Yup. A Russian plot to murder Zelensky. Putin's MO.

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Zelensky isn’t even a duly elected official anymore. Term has expired.

lol That doesn't make him not duly elected.

In case you didn't know, holding an election during a war would be a violation of the Ukrainian constitution.

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Zelenskyy's biggest problem is not weapons, it is man power on the front lines. Ukraine is now really struggling to find able bodied men to fight. Those already enlisted have no end date, few if any rotations and those glide bombs are taking a terrible toll in lives and limbs lost and troop moral.

NATO isn't going to put boots on the ground in meaningful numbers are Ukraine just isn't important enough. Sorry but that is the truth. Also it certainly doesn't want Russian tactical nukes landing on German or Polish airbases.

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Don't mess with Lord Putin..

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Yes, for corruption, not for turning against Putin. Apart from the corruption, the military turning on their leader issues seem to be happening more in Kyiv recently.

Everyone in Russia is guilty of corruption. That's how the game is played there. Dod you really think their sackings now are a result of corruption?

Yes, the recent sackings of Russian generals were due to corruption. It is rife on both sides , as it always is in war.

Zelensky sacks bodyguard chief after foiled assassination plot -

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky dismissed the head of the the agency responsible for his protection after two of its officers were detained over an alleged assassination plot against him.

By Mariya Knight, CNN, Updated 7:10 AM EDT, Fri May 10, 2024

Yup. A Russian plot to murder Zelensky. Putin's MO.

More likely elements of Ukraine military not agreeing with Zelensky's direction. Putin would not want to create a martyr from him.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

Yup. A Russian plot to murder Zelensky. Putin's MO.

More likely elements of Ukraine military not agreeing with Zelensky's direction.

No. It's not. They were Russian operatives. That is known.

Putin would not want to create a martyr from him.

He wouldn't care. Putin 100% wants him dead.

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Look at the way these clowns are talking...

The increasingly unhinged ideas coming out of certain quarters belies the fact that NATO is not, has never been and never will be a "defensive alliance".

It exposes the truth that it is a hostile alliance and Russia has been the one of the many victims of its ongoing aggression. This is precisely why Russia is fighting this justified, defensive, police action to secure the frontiers and prevent the lands of Ukraine being weaponized by these thugs which they have attempted to do since the coup in 2014.

Ukraine is not a NATO member. They have no legal right to invoke article 5 when Russia punishes them for provocations.

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UAfan

question

do you want to ignite WW3?

No.

thats most important question to USA and NATO countries.

Sure.

cant you see a difference?if you attack say Grenada and win in 2 days or you attack nuclear armed country?

Sure, but Ukraine aren't attacking a nuclear armed country. They are defending against the same country, but the only difference is that there is a border there.

Also, Putin has hinted at nuclear before (which he isn't at the moment). He hasn't done anything after a supposed red line has been crossed.

why USA and NATO NEVER talk about PEACE?

Because it's up to Ukraine. Not NATO. Not USA.

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JJE

Look at the way these clowns are talking...

Nice.

This is precisely why Russia is fighting this justified, defensive, police action to secure the frontiers and prevent the lands of Ukraine being weaponized by these thugs

Not justified. Not defensive. Not a police action. It is pure imperialism. And if Russia didn't invade in 2014, Ukraine wouldn't be weaponised.

which they have attempted to do since the coup in 2014.

There was no coup in 2014.

Ukraine is not a NATO member.

Sure.

They have no legal right to invoke article 5

Sure.

when Russia punishes them for provocations.

There have been no provocations. This is Russian imperialism.

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Yrral

2020,why do you have to murder Zelensky,when Russian have agent in his government in high places

Ask Putin. He wants him dead.

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ZaphodToday 08:44 am JST

Putin is entirely correct here. The more the US and its followers keep escalating, the more Russia (and that means any Russian government, it has nothing to do with Putin) has to push back.

This war stops the moment the US stops funding it. The only moment the US funding stops, the Ukraine leadership has to come to the negotiating table (like they did in Istanbul).

Remember, your fantasy is that Russia was mysteriously at the negotiating table and ready to make a deal in Istanbul. In any event, there is nothing to the notion that Ukraine will suddenly surrender based on what the US does.

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Ramsey's KitchenToday 09:17 am JST

Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?

Because Putin has given no indication he is ready for an unconditional ceasefire negotiation.

Yes, for corruption, not for turning against Putin.

Oh sure, sure, sure. Has nothing to do with Putin being source of all corruption in Russia.

Apart from the corruption, the military turning on their leader issues seem to be happening more in Kyiv recently.

Will a Ukrainian general next march on Kyiv?

It is rife on both sides , as it always is in war.

No, civilized countries are mostly free of corruption even in war.

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Kyiv-regime attacked a fixed radar installation in SW Russia last week with drones - this is actually part of Russia's nuclear infrastructure. There are many more sensitive nuclear sites throughout European Russia, which should they come under attack with NATO weapons, will provoke a requisite response.

If you don't think the Kyiv-regime won't do this, think again. They are desperate and in a losing position and Zelensky is hellbent on taking the destruction global to save his regime.

NATO aggression needs to stop. They are losing their minds like their proxy.

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UAfanToday 10:27 am JST

question

do you want to ignite WW3?

If the diseased bear doesn't understand "every inch of NATO territory" than the chips will fall where they may.

cant you see a difference?if you attack say Grenada and win in 2 days or you attack nuclear armed country?

Nobody has attack Russia except its victim.

why USA and NATO NEVER talk about PEACE?

Because someone not the US and NATO launched the worst invasion in Europe in 75 years?

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JJEToday 11:23 am JST

Kyiv-regime attacked a fixed radar installation in SW Russia last week with drones - this is actually part of Russia's nuclear infrastructure. There are many more sensitive nuclear sites throughout European Russia, which should they come under attack with NATO weapons, will provoke a requisite response.

China already told its dog Russia "no nukes". Better listen to your master.

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Also, Putin has hinted at nuclear before (which he isn't at the moment). He hasn't done anything after a supposed red line has been crossed.

So is that a reason to keep pushing and pushing until finally another red line crossed will result in that? Will that finallybe convincing and satisfactory for NATO then?

why USA and NATO NEVER talk about PEACE?

Because it's up to Ukraine. Not NATO. Not USA.

We all know that in reality Ukraine does what its US and NATO sponsors say.

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If certain quarters (US/NATO) hadn't launched the worst coup in Europe in 75 years, Russia would not have moved an inch in 2014. This was entirely provoked.

Kyiv-regime will pay the penalty for their transgressions and justice for their victims, including Odessa.

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Ramsey's Kitchen

So is that a reason to keep pushing and pushing until finally another red line crossed will result in that?

It won't.

We all know that in reality Ukraine does what its US and NATO sponsors say.

Really? How do you arrive at that? If they did, do you think they would be constantly asking for arms?

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JJE

Couldn't agree more. The underlying problem is the NATO obsession/aggression with inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia,

NATO has no interest in inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia.

evident since 2014 and before.

2014 was when Russia started their imperialism.

They are having trouble accepting their rabid proxy

Rabid proxy? Ukraine is defending Russian aggression. It isn't any kind of proxy.

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JJE

If certain quarters (US/NATO) hadn't launched the worst coup in Europe in 75 years,

They didn't.

Russia would not have moved an inch in 2014.

Russia moved in in 2014 in response to an escalating protest in response to Putin's meddling to stop Ukraine joining EU.

This was entirely provoked.

Russia's response was an entirely unprovoked expression of imperialism.

Kyiv-regime will pay the penalty for their transgressions and justice for their victims,

They have no transgressions.

including Odessa.

Seriously?

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Yes, seriously. 2/5/14 shall not be forgotten nor forgiven.

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Remember, your fantasy is that Russia was mysteriously at the negotiating table and ready to make a deal in Istanbul.

Oh but it was at a negotiating table in Istanbul and the deal was ready to be signed until BoJo flew in on behalf of the neocons to sabotage it so they can fight their war against Russia by using Ukraine. Exactly as they wanted all along to fulfill their long term plans to "strategically weaken and defeat Russia". Your fantasy ( or disinformation more precisely ) apparently is that they were not at the negotiating table and ready to make a deal.

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"Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?........Because Putin has given no indication he is ready for an unconditional ceasefire negotiation"

Putin has stated a number of times he is ready for ceasefire negotiations - even last week. Neocon warmonger interests oppose peace. From Reuters -

MOSCOW/LONDON, May 24 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a negotiated ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources told Reuters, saying he is prepared to fight on if Kyiv and the West do not respond.

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Looks like the aid is not coming.

https://x.com/foxnews/status/1795653368255304031?s=46&t=YGWP_lcRZjddiWlx4QxURQ

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Ramsey's KitchenToday 12:10 pm JST

"Why keep pushing for more fighting and escalation instead of ceasefire negotiation?........Because Putin has given no indication he is ready for an unconditional ceasefire negotiation"

Putin has stated a number of times he is ready for ceasefire negotiations - even last week. Neocon warmonger interests oppose peace. From Reuters -

MOSCOW/LONDON, May 24 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a negotiated ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources told Reuters, saying he is prepared to fight on if Kyiv and the West do not respond.

Sources is not a public offer. Also he still seems to think the West owes Russia spit.

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Ramsey's KitchenToday 12:09 pm JST

Remember, your fantasy is that Russia was mysteriously at the negotiating table and ready to make a deal in Istanbul.

Oh but it was at a negotiating table in Istanbul and the deal was ready to be signed until BoJo flew in on behalf of the neocons to sabotage it so they can fight their war against Russia by using Ukraine. Exactly as they wanted all along to fulfill their long term plans to "strategically weaken and defeat Russia". Your fantasy ( or disinformation more precisely ) apparently is that they were not at the negotiating table and ready to make a deal.

The fact the Russians were in spitting distance of Kyiv (even more than now) and Putin is a lying sack of something is all you need to disprove this nonsense.

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