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Ukraine says Russia has shifted elite units to new battleground

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Russian "elite" units?! LOL. Gimme a break. The Ukes' regular forces ousted the Spetsnaz from their Irpin base a while back, (which is why the frightened Orcs have to rely so much on on long range artillery.)

Putin has given up on the holdouts in Maripul, figuring that no Russia soldiers are capable of mixing it up with the dug-in Ukes. Elsewhere, he's been relying on the Chenchens, who are known for their savagery, not their skills. And they are in no way "elite." More like "bottom of the barrel."

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prompting accusations that the Russians are trying to conceal the slaughter of civilians taking place in the city.

"the slaughter of civilians", will continue as long as Russian people and others favoring the destruction of democracies continue to be believe a MADman like Putin who thinks this is stage1 of his personal unholy crusade to take lands that the myths he believes say belong to Russia. Putin's religion and his beliefs in his religion and what he has called the Russian 'race' and his paranoia which has caused him to think that NATO was planning a war have turned the world upside down. And because Putin controls such an important gas station the global fossil powers do not want o upset him too much.

And making things worse the extremists who idolize Putin, and other far right authoritarian leaders, cheer him on, parroting his and the Kremlin's disinformation, saying Zelensky and Ukranians are Nazis who are killing their own people and blaming it on the Russians who are just on a special operation. Until Russia is denazified the rest of the world will need to be prepared to defend itself against MADmen like Putin. If people really believe in a world led by Putin/Modi/Bolsonaro/Xi, they should stay in the counties those despots control, or else move to one of the BRIC countries to see whether the 'west' or the BRIC states are better. Not surprisingly many opposing all things 'western' and anything connected with NATO have been some who'd shouted loudest they want 'freedom', well move to a BRIC state and see how 'free' you'll be.

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Technically Putin already lost the war.

The faster dead Russian soldiers pile up in Ukraine, the better for the world.

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Strangely this article didn't mention the 40 villages taken by Russian advances on Wednesday and Thursday.

But "according to Ukrainian authorities." did come up how many times? Ukrainian authorities haven't been exactly very reliable reporters in this conflict.

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PT,the US is Nato, everybody want the US protecting now

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Mr K, happy to check out your source for that if you have one.

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Strangely this article didn't mention

strange that you’re always sticking up for Putin & his Russian invasion, & the indiscriminate killing of civilians.

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For all the Russian apologists who keep using ‘deNazification’ as an excuse for the invasion ;

https://newslanc.com/tsukerman-russian-nazi-volunteers-in-donbas/

https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-separating-facts-from-fiction/#Pro-Russian_Nazi_Fighters_in_the_Ukrainian_War

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He said such a move would open the way to the nation of Moldova, where Russia backs the breakaway region of Transnistria. Moldovan officials are warily watching Putin’s actions in Ukraine.

Looks like Moldova may be getting a taste of a de-nazification special operation soon. Ugh.

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Looks like Moldova may be getting a taste of a de-nazification special operation soon. Ugh.

The liberation of massively pro-Russian and anti-Nazi Odessa is the logical next step. That by default opens a land corridor between Russia and Moldova.

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Rob...

The liberation of massively pro-Russian and anti-Nazi Odessa is the logical next step. That by default opens a land corridor between Russia and Moldova.

I think that after the entire Dombas area has been secured and Crimea's water supply guaranteed, The Russians will offer Odessa to the Ukrainians as part of the peace deal.

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Mr K, do you think the Ukrainians will accept that? I am starting to think that they may never accept Russian occupation of their lands.

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I think Zelensky is losing his mind under stress,his rambling about the world owe Ukraine, because Russian invaded Ukraine,and Russia will invade other European countries,if the world do not support Ukraine

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Technically Putin already lost the war.

Take a look at where the opposing forces are and which way they are moving....

Hint... the Ukrainians are using their reverse gears.

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So kind of you guys to keep Ukraine in your thoughts, Rob and Mr. K.

Do you think if Russia gets what they want in Ukraine that their territorial ambitions will be satisfied and that we will never have to worry about Russian invasions again?

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think that after the entire Dombas area has been secured and Crimea's water supply guaranteed,

this must make you so proud

The Russians will offer Odessa to the Ukrainians as part of the peace deal.

so Russia are going to ‘offer’ something that doesn’t belong to them, to the Ukraine, who actually does own it

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Trying to replace those marauders who have been sent back to Russia in body bags?

I doubt too many body bags are returning home, for two reasons ;

one, the true number of deaths will be known.

two, if a soldier is killed in battle, his family receives a payout or pension. However, if he is MIA, the family receives nothing.

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so Russia are going to ‘offer’ something that doesn’t belong to them, to the Ukraine, who actually does own it

Yes that’s what happens when you lose. You get to keep something that’s yours as the best deal you can get.

Saves a lot of lives to take that deal instead of stubbornly fighting to the last civilian.

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Each day....more atrocities, more mass graves discovered, more needless deaths...

All because a short, insecure dictator thought he could militarily conquer his neighbor in a few days....

It's now been over a month and over 20K Russian troops are dead, included 15 generals/senior officers, over 800 tanks and 2K APCs have been destroyed, and his glorious flagship named after the Russian capitol sits rusting at the bottom of the Black Sea - along with a good number of its sailors...

Yet his pride doesn't let him accept defeat...because in his warped, deluded little mind, he is "winning"....

So the brutal killing and atrocities continue....

And the blood will remain on his hands forever...

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From the very beginning Putin's premeditated land-grab plan was always to bite off the Donbas East and the chunk of Southern Ukraine, fondly called "Novorossiya" (New Russia) by Russian NAtionalists, to form a sweeping arc taking in Odesa and linking up with Russian military forces in "Transnistria". After digesting these lands the Russians would then demand that the Moldavans serve up their country on a platter to Putin for dessert, an offer this tiny country would be in no position to refuse. But winning battles is not the same as occupying territory (and holding it) - just ask the Germans. We can safely predict a severe future case of indigestion and belly-ache for the greedy land-hungry Russians.

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Blacklabel - I can’t imagine you would be so quick to surrender part of your country if it were being invaded. Surely, you would fight for your homeland, no?

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U, Russian are done as a superpower,you see how the US strangle Russian without firing a shot,their tech is dependent on foreign sources,what made Russian a superpower,the Rosenberg,when Russian got a copy of a Implosion Lens to make an atomic bomb, Russian never developed anything without stealing it from someone else

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tooheysnews.....

Odessa was built by the Russians, many of its population are Russian. The definition of it being Ukrainian is relatively new. Reminded me of St Petersburg, very Russian. Many Ukrainians won't be happy to lose it but most will probably be happy to go back to a more normal war free life.

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Blacklabel - I can’t imagine you would be so quick to surrender part of your country if it were being invaded. Surely, you would fight for your homeland, no?

i prefer to deal in the reality of this actual situation not hypotheticals.

this war can stop tomorrow and civilians can stop dying.

if Zelensky pride won’t allow him to stop then need to stop arming him so that he has no choice but to stop this.

there is no final result possible that Ukraine actually wins this. The win is to stop it and stop the civilian deaths.

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Blacklabel - fair enough, but do you also acknowledge that the war can stop tomorrow if Russia goes home? In other words, there is more than one way to stop this war.

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Yes that’s what happens when you lose. You get to keep something that’s yours as the best deal you can get.

Saves a lot of lives to take that deal instead of stubbornly fighting to the last civilian.

I find the intersection in the Venn diagram of alt-right cultists and cheerleaders for Russian atrocities in the Ukrainian invasion....disturbing.

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Mr K - the Russians would have to capture Odesa first. I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Do you?

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One wonders if all the people advocating Ukraine to surrender, would so easily give up the keys & deeds to their house, if an intruder invaded their property

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One wonders if all the people advocating Ukraine to surrender, would so easily give up the keys & deeds to their house, if an intruder invaded their property

Looking at the situation realistically, yes that would be the best option of the ones available to you if you were considering the lives of your family.

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If someone with a gun asks for your wallet you give it. Especially if your family is there and you are vulnerable.

then you go to the police and get action taken against the person who took your wallet. You then get your wallet back or damages in excess of what the wallet contained through their actions, not your own.

you definitely don’t instruct your entire family to fight the robber until you are all dead.

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The Soviet Union liberated western Ukraine after the Polish state had collapsed and Nazi forces were facing no resistance as they moved east. 

The area came to be occupied when Poland attacked the revolutionary Soviet Republic during its war against invaders from many countries including France, UK, USA, Japan.

Good God, man. Where did you learn your history? Is it too late to ask for a refund? They did you dirty, for sure.

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Blacklabel - so the plan is to make peace with the Russians now and then to go after them at a later date?

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Fisch reported from Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. Associated Press journalists Mstyslav Chernov and Felipe Dana in Kharkiv, Ukraine, Yuras Karmanau in Lviv and Robert Burns and Aamer Madhani in Washington contributed to this report,

So every source is based in Ukraine (or Washington), and Ukraine speaking on what their opponent is doing. What gives any of that any credibility at all? Surely their reporting is going to be just slightly biased? Why are we taking what they say at face-value?

If you ask someone their opinion of their hated enemy, they will probably not give you a very unbiased point of view. If unbiased third-parties aren't available, you should at least look at points of view from both sides to try to find the points they agree on as the probable truths.

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So no point in carrying a weapon.

You would not fight an invader in your country?

You totally and purposely ignored the “with your family and vulnerable” part of what I said didn’t you?

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Blacklabel - so the plan is to make peace with the Russians now and then to go after them at a later date?

Absolutely. Through non violent means. Doesn’t “the world” have courts and organizations that exist entirely to settle such disputes? No one does while that is progressing.

i think they do as the USA is expected to find them all.

diplomacy? Isn’t that a thing too?

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No one dIes while that is progressing.

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One wonders if all the people advocating Ukraine to surrender, would so easily give up the keys & deeds to their house, if an intruder invaded their property

Looking at the situation realistically, yes that would be the best option of the ones available to you if you were considering the lives of your family.

This is really interesting...

A far-right Trump supporter is saying that if someone invades your property, you should just "surrender" and do nothing but accept whatever the invader demands if they "out-gun" you...

While at the same time advocating the far-right "guns for everyone" to fight the "leftist mobs" and "gov't agents in black helicopters" that are attacking our neighborhoods...you know, "from my cold, dead hands"...

Some contradiction...

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It’s quite easy for leftist posters to advocate that Ukraine fight Russia until the last family member of people they don’t know is dead.

it’s not realistic.

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it’s not realistic.

Nor is it in line with your political leanings.

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Blacklabel - and if Russia just decides to say f your courts, then what? Is Ukraine just SOL?

At any rate, where the analogy breaks down is that the mother and father in the house being invaded are armed as well and they are in no mood to let the invader near their children.

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zichiToday  10:38 am JST

During the second half of the 20th Century, a consensus emerged among North American archaeologists that the Clovis people had been the first to reach the Americas, about 11,500 years ago.

Good for the Clovis. They went and settled the British isles after that?

*New evidence collected by Iowa State University researchers suggests humans made their way to North America *30,000 years ago.

https://www.studyfinds.org/humans-north-america-30000-years/

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Blacklabel - also not sure if you see who else is on your “team” here on this board, but other than you they are all self-admitted communists. Politics makes strange bedfellows indeed!

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It’s quite easy for leftist posters to advocate that Ukraine fight Russia until the last family member of people they don’t know is dead.

So if a group of armed Antifa/BLM protesters invade your home and threaten your family...you'll "surrender" and "give up" and comply with whatever they want because they have more weapons than you do....

Or if there's an assault weapons ban, and the FBI comes to your house and demands you surrender your weapon....you'll nicely comply because they are stronger than you...

it’s not realistic.

Given all the prior posts by our far-right friends saying how they'll "fight Antifa/BLM to the last man": and "die to keep their guns"....it sure does sound unrealistic...

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Arm the Ukrainians to the teeth with everything they need and say to them, “Happy hunting!”

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So if a group of armed Antifa/BLM protesters invade your home and threaten your family...you'll "surrender" and "give up" and comply with whatever they want because they have more weapons than you do....

that would be the realistic thing to do, yes.

Or if there's an assault weapons ban, and the FBI comes to your house and demands you surrender your weapon....you'll nicely comply because they are stronger than you...

that would also be the realistic thing to do, assuming such a law was legally passed and approved by the Supreme Court. We dont have guns to fight our government, we fight them at the ballot box.

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the moderation is insistent that there are no "teams" here.

I speak for myself and there is no politics in any of this, just reality.

If all these world organizations who handle disputes like this are useless, why do they exist and why is the USA paying for all of them?

But yeah lets just keep giving Ukraine 7 billion dollars a month so that they can keep fighting and civilians keep dying. whats YOUR answer, that is realistic then? (dont tell me Putin should stop, he wont). What have you got for me to solve this?

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Stormcrow, American general do not get all the weapon systems,they prefer, Ukraine is also fighting Russian and Ukrainian Traitors in the east, when Russian do feel the pain of Russia soldiers,dying on Russian soil,they will come too their senses

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Sorry, blacklabel, didn’t mean to offend. I’m sure there was a more eloquent way I could have stated my point.

The world organizations, as with police in our home towns, are effective only insofar as they either have buy-in from everyone or, failing that, if they have the means of enforcement (like police). If not, then those organizations rely on the goodwill and good faith of their members. So, in short, they are not useless against the good eggs, but in their present form, they are less than effective against bullies.

$7B a month can actually get the free world some pretty Big Bang for our buck. I am in favor of continuing to aid and arm Ukraine against the invaders.

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$7B a month can actually get the free world some pretty Big Bang for our buck. I am in favor of continuing to aid and arm Ukraine against the invaders.

then in reality you have sentenced more innocent civilians to unnecessary death and destruction. instead of using diplomacy and the organizations and processes put in place by the "world" to avoid such.

The end result wont change. 70 billion, 700 billion. wont matter.

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Blacklabel - I haven’t sentenced anyone to death, the Russian invaders have. Ukraine is asking for the assistance in order to save their country from Russia and we, along with many other countries are obliging. Appeasing bullies only works until the bully decides they want more. Better to deal with them sooner rather than later.

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Yrral

In response to your previous comment of me being a Japanese man that's never known combat.

Is there anything that you are correctly knowledgeable of ?

Iam not Japanese and yes ive served my country.

Thankyou very much !

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Mr K - the Russians would have to capture Odesa first. I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Do you?

No they wouldn't have to capture Odessa to let the Ukrainians keep it. Just sign a peace deal giving the Dombas "independence" and Officially agree to Russia having control of Crimea and the mainland above it. In return Russia will agree not to reclaim anymore territory including Odessa.

I don't know the Russian plans, maybe they are going to take all the south including Odessa. It would be a shame if that beautiful city got destroyed.

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