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By YURAS KARMANAU, JIM HEINTZ, VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV and DASHA LITVINOVA KYIV, Ukraine©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Monty
while an increasingly isolated Moscow ran into unexpectedly fierce resistance on the ground and economic havoc at home.
Russia must be isolated completely.
Bring the economy down to zero by sanctions, and then the population of Russia will stand up against their murderer leader Putin and his supporters.
And after these murders are taken into responsibility for their crimes to humanity, Russia can go to a nice and peaceful future.
unexpectedly fierce resistance
I have the highest respect from the brave and homeland defending Ukranians.
Show this aggressor, who invates your homeland and are killing your men, women and children, that they will pay a very high price for that.
Ukraine must become a member of the EU immediately, and also Finnland wants to join the NATO now.
That is the correct way to go!
Show resistance to Putin and his mob, and let them understand that what they are doing in Ukraine, will be their end.
Bob Fosse
Reap what you sow. ‘Smart’ putin has overplayed his hand.
The Avenger
Ukraine is offering Russian soldiers an amount equal to about $47,000 USD to desert.
https://www.ktnv.com/news/national/ukraine-offers-russian-soldiers-compensation-if-they-surrender
Bob Fosse
This is the elite ‘liberating’ force?
Hiro
I am impress how tough these Ukraine people are. At least hundred times better than the Afghanistan troops who were trained and armed by the US for 2 whole decades and still couldn't even put up decent fight. All those weapons and military gear wasted.
GBR48
Negotiations are not the way out. Putin needs to be removed by the Russians. There is no way for Russia to continue with him as leader after this. It will remain a pariah state until he goes. And then it needs to pay financial compensation to Ukraine, to the state to pay for rebuilding it, and to every family who has lost someone. Until Putin has gone and that money is paid, Russia is the new North Korea.
Russia has such potential - so much land, so much farmland, such a labour pool, so much development potential as the climate changes. It could be a leading power, but not under the control of a throwback dictator from the 1970s, fantasising about a new Soviet Union.
Sanction all Russian banks, not just the big ones. And those in Belarus too, if it joins in. Another dictator the world could do without. Get weaponry and tactical information to Ukraine.
Our civilisation needs to go beyond this barbaric level of abuse. The invasion of Ukraine cannot stand.
StevieJ
If you want the Russian viewpoint just listen to the GOP and watch conservative news media.
dagon
Among the refugees in Hungary was Maria Pavlushko, 24, an information technology project manager from a city west of Kyiv. She said her father stayed behind to fight the Russians.
It seems Europe is opening up for a wave of Ukrainian female refugees. I wonder if other nations will also be welcoming. It is early on in the conflict but the humanitarian crisis could be considerable.
Bob Fosse
There are many Russian viewpoints on the situation. Not one. We get the burning bush viewpoint every day. We get the putin viewpoint. We get the many thousands of Russians protesting this illegal invasion veiwpoint. All of these viewpoints are allowed in the West.
FizzBit
Putin has been warning about NATO expansion for years. Ukraine was a red line. Ukraine/NATO/US/UK went ahead. Hopefully NATO will be laid to rest after this and the world will be a much more peaceful place.
Bob Fosse
NATO will be stronger after this.
Haaa Nemui
So Putin has actually been completely true to his word and not sent his forces into Ukraine. Oh I’m so glad to hear that. Everybody can relax now. Russians are just there for a picnic.
2020hindsights
FizzBit
So what? We know Putin doesn't like NATO, but what about Ukraine? Putin has been building an alliance with Belarus that surrounds Ukraine and way more threatening than NATO is to Russia.
Make no mistake, this invasion has nothing to do with feeling threatened and all to do with considering Ukraine as part of Russia and without its own culture. He even said that in the speech before the invasion.
Putin has ensured NATO will be around for as long as he is alive.
StevieJ
People really don't understand what NATO is for do they? NATO is meant to prevent against aggressive expansion from one European nation and starting another world war. If it's "expanding" like the Putin bootlickers like to claim, that's because their neighbors (Russia in this case) are aggressively expanding and attempting to violate another country's boarders.
So stop spreading Russian propaganda that NATO is "expanding" as if it's not a direct result of Russian aggression.
UChosePoorly
Then who would you have protecting the smaller countries of Europe against threats like Russia?
bass4funk
And the fastest way to the world’s demise.
I hate what Putin is doing, but how do you negotiate that has one of the largest stockpile of nuclear warheads than any other nation and oh, by the way seems to be mentally compromised? You really think it’s a good idea for NATO to further piss this guy off? Think deeply now.
PTownsend
Yet throughout peaceful times, nations have hired keyboard warriors to push blatant falsehoods, for some recent examples look at messages sent by individuals saying all sorts of wack things. For example Covid isn't so dangerous, governments are just saying it is as another reason to take your freedoms away, another non-truth is there's a tracking chip in the vaccines. But then these messengers pushing such wack certainly aren't among the best and the brightest, are they. They are just puppets of an autocratic regime doing what they're told to do.
itsonlyrocknroll
It certainly appears that President Putin is hell bent on making the Ukrainian people pay, whole families schools, Kindergartens, right to the bloody bitter end.
Putin will take the blameless Russian people down with him.
How in heavens name can this happen?
One man can take the world to the brink of what has been accepted, or at the very least considered to be the unthinkable?
Cluster bombing schools in Kharkiv?
A war crime.
iraira
So we are supposed to simply surrender to Putin's "irrational behavior" in this and all future cases where Putin throws a tantrum? We've seen what happens when bad behavior is ignored or permitted, "Neville".
The ultimate changes in Russia will be brought from within, and those around Putin need to also see the humiliation and suffering unleashed on ordinary Russian citizens in order to realize that Putin is not the person to carry Russia into a productive future.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Went ahead with what? Ukraine wasn't any closer to joining Nato before the conflict than they were years ago. Putin's invasion speech was nakedly ethno-nationalist. Putin came right and Ukraine was a part of Russia and Stalin/Lenin were long to allow Ukrainian independence.
Not for Russia's neighbors. Putin certainly likes invading neighboring countries.
Peter Neil
If Canada and Mexico aligned with Russia or China militarily, the US would go nuts. Imagine weapons and troops surrounding the US?
Negotiations are about compromise. You have to swap positions to understand what the issues are. The US has consistently said no, no, no to everything. No compromise, no negotiations other than what we say…
Now very one is just posturing. Ukraine could say it won’t join the military alliance of NATO, and Putin would have an out and civilians would stop dying. No compromises and stubbornness means death to innocent civilians. Is that a fair trade? I think not.
Michael Machida
Love watching Puty go down on live TV. Love it!
bass4funk
Well, whether you are for or against these draconian rules it depends on your personal stance and your world outlook.
That goes both ways for the support or opposition groups concerning most of these daily issues that concern millions
Maybe in China, Russia or North Korea that could be.
UChosePoorly
What should Ukraine be doing when it is surrounded on three sides by Russian troops?
2020hindsights
Peter Neil
No they wouldn't.
You mean just like Russia and their alliance partner, Belarus, completely surrounding Ukraine. It goes both ways.
PTownsend
I just held my nose, knowing I was giving Putin and his oligarchs a click, but RT is still available: https://www.rt.com/
Plus with so many keyboard warriors and 'Useful I..s' using all sorts of western media, anyone can easily find what Putin and his oligarchs are saying. And they can also listen to Tucker/Hannity and what's the name of Trump's latest media failure, something about more big lies.
gcbel
Putin doesn’t get to dictate how sovereign countries choose to make their security arrangements Russian aggression has pushed them into NATO. NATO’s borders are our red line Don’t test them.
Not a chance. NATO just got a giant boost thanks to Putie. Germany ticking its defense spending to 2% of their GDP. Belgium ticking up. Sweden and Finland reconsidering NATO membership. He’s apparently not as smart or savvy as some thought. More likely Putin’s on his way out.
rainyday
Go Ukraine!
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Russia.
Maybe they should have appealed to the UN.
kurisupisu
What if Ukraine did not attempt to join NATO?
What if nuclear weapons were seriously reduced and even outlawed?
What if mankind could overcome the impulse to destroy and war?
The way forward…
porto
Wasn't this the argument for appeasement with Nazi Germany? That didn't work out so well. If Ukrainians believe in their fight against Russia and are willing protect their sovereignty, who are you to tell them to give in? Don't forget who invaded the country because reasons.
bass4funk
My 15 years old daughter could, not hard to find.
The numbers continue to grow
Naw, won’t be. The ACA had a lot of flaws at its initial rollout and now it’s doing great, it just needed time, so it’ll be up soon.
PTownsend
Hideous, monstrous, but to be expected from an army controlled a hideous monster. Russians have done similar things in Syria, then used media and keyboard warriors to claim it was the other guys that did it. And still US Republican politicians like Trump and his media plus others in the far far right claim Putin is 'strong'. Putin was 'strong' enough to seize Russian oil and gas wealth to make himself and a handful of his friends as rich as the Gulf and western oil barons. Some also claim Stalin was 'strong' because he had his security forces murder millions of USSR citizens.
u_s__reamer
"Talks" will be used as a smokescreen by Putin while he figures out what to do next; they won't stop the Russian advance into Ukrainian territory - only armed resistance, international pressure and unprecedented opposition of the Russian people to Putin's war can end the Russian invasion. While Putin's brutal attack is to be roundly condemned (he's surely earned himself a one-way ticket to the Hague), more light needs to be shed on the shady shenanigans of the Western powers that might have lured the Kremlin rat to go after the Kyiv cheese on his doorstep.
2020hindsights
blastcaptain
Yeah sure. Don't believe everything you see on the internet, especially during a war.
lincolnman
To our pro-Russia posters here, please explain this;
Jan 26th: "If it depends on the Russian Federation, there will be no war," Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.
Feb 15th: "We intend and will strive to negotiate with our partners on the issues that we have raised in order to resolve them diplomatically," Putin said.
Feb 20th: Russian Ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov denied Sunday that the Kremlin is preparing for an invasion of neighboring Ukraine. "There is no invasion, and there [are] no such plans," Antonov said in an interview with "Face the Nation."
Feb 24th: Russia invades Ukraine...
stormcrow
"They make a desert and call it peace."
Calgacus
Now that Putin has gotten his nose bloodied and he's humiliated, it looks like he's going to do something more stupid and dangerous. He's going to bring in more weapons and troops.
He's cruel, he's deceitful and he's capable of going from madman to monster in a heartbeat. Will Putin try to make a desert out of Ukraine and call it peace? Hopefully not, but he's capable of it.
In the meantime, send more weapons to the Ukrainians. They want to fight the invaders, so let them.
bass4funk
He is strong, that’s a fact. He owns more than half of the nuclear arsenal on the planet, so it does essentially make him strong. Now if you ask the question about whether the guy is mentally stable, well, that’s an entirely different story.
True, power projects might and these maniacs will use it to bulldoze and snuff out any opposition, scary.
2020hindsights
kurisupisu
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind
Monty
You really think it’s a good idea for NATO to further piss this guy off? Think deeply now.
If the world and the NATO do not show resistance against this murderer Putin, he will not stop in the Ukraine and it will be a free ticket for Putin to invade the next country and the next...
And this must be stopped already in its roots!
Now is the time for the World AND the Nato to stand against this aggressor.
The thread from the NATO, what is Putin talking about, never exists.
The NATO never threatened Russia in any way.
That was just Putin's excuse to attack Ukraine.
Many NATO countries did a very good economy business with Russia.
But now, Putin betrayed them all and Putin lied to the whole world.
Now is the time for the world and the NATO to show Putin that he crossed the red line.
And it is exactly how Bob Fosse said it:
NATO will be stronger after this.
Because many countries are feeling now the threat for piece which comes from Russia, and all these peaceful countries are looking for security now.
And security is what the NATO can give to these countries.
peterl
Putin is fighting a losing war. It was ill-conceived with young teen soldiers who have no idea what they are fighting for. There are no strong supply lines; as evidenced by starving soldiers with quickly diminishing ammunition. The Russian army may have the numbers, but the Ukrainians have the will and are fighting for a much more noble cause: their very lives, freedom and future. Add to that the fact the majority of the world is against them. Heck, even their own people are against them. The longer the campaign goes on, the more Putin will lose. I hope the Russian soldiers will realize that they are fighting for nothing and give up their campaign. Your war should be with Putin, not the kind and noble people of Ukraine.
Monty
Putin is fighting a losing war. It was ill-conceived with young teen soldiers who have no idea what they are fighting for.
Exactly!
There was a song from Sting in the past, which said, I hope the Russians love their children too.
And I am sure they do.
And I deeply hope that one father of these young soldiers will stand up and give Putin the final shot!
BeerDeliveryGuy
Russia thought they could take the capital in a few days, but their maneuver strike has lost momentum.
They failed to gain air superiority, and miscalculated logistics requirements.
The very worst thing to do in a high-tempo offensive operation is to lose momentum and leave yourself open to counterstrike.
William77
Ukraine is screaming for help from the West and we allowed a mass murderer and a dictator like Putin to take advantage of our disunity.
Ukraine is an independent state that wants to join it’s natural home,the European Union and also NATO.
Instead Vlad wants to make of it a Belarus 2.
tooheysnew
comrade, we all know Russia’s viewpoint.
The economic sanctions against mother Russia are illegal (but invading a foreign country & killing innocent people apparently isn’t )
Then some NATO leaders said some nasty words about mother Russia (but calling the Ukrainian leaders Nazis apparently is ok)
So in response, Putin spat the dummy & threatened to use nuclear weapons
rainyday
That is kind of true about him being strong, but there are some important qualifications.
His strength seems to lie solely in possessing nuclear weapons, which is extremely dangerous. One thing this week has shown is that Russian conventional military strength has been vastly overestimated. If they can't even beat Ukraine, then their conventional forces are clearly not a serious threat to NATO.
Second is that economically Russia is also very weak, and getting weaker. The west just tanked Russia's currency and sent its economy into what will likely be a severe depression. Russia can't economically retaliate because it putting sanctions on anyone will not hurt them like that. Its only economic weapon is oil, which it can use to some effect but nowhere near as much.
These weaknesses actually make Putin more dangerous rather than less because it means all he is left to threaten his adversaries with now is his nukes. Its extremely concerning.
Doolittle
Time for European countries to step up and resolve this. Those countries have planes, tanks, weapons, nukes. Do something.
tooheysnew
they should go one step better & offer citizenship to an EU country of their choice for them & their family.
They would desert in droves
BeerDeliveryGuy
Somewhere, an A-10 pilot is salivating…
presto345
I can't help wondering how Putin explains senseless, cowardly murdering innocent people, men and women, children, babies to his wife, children, family. Will they still consider him a great leader aspiring to go down in history like another hitler?
SuperLib
It's just so weird listening to the Russian supporters. It's like they have no concept of the outside world.
smithinjapan
bass4funk: "He is strong, that’s a fact. He owns more than half of the nuclear arsenal on the planet, so it does essentially make him strong. Now if you ask the question about whether the guy is mentally stable, well, that’s an entirely different story."
Same as Trump, minus the strong part -- one of the weakest and most fickle leaders the world saw, even hiding in a bunker when a few protestors came. But, you support him 100%, and he supports Putin, so why not support both, as many Republicans do? That's part of the problem, and why Putin won't talk. He enjoys silent approval of what he's doing from China, and very vocal approval from leaders in the GOP, one guy even barely unable to say out loud that he thinks the comparison to Hitler is a great one (because Hitler was great, too!).
Maybe if you guys stopped lavishing him with praise and started vocally standing AGAINST him instead of also supporting others who love him, the world would have more to go on.
bass4funk
Who are these so-called Russian supporters?
bass4funk
Most definitely. They should have been deployed to Ukraine last year. Even the Russians hate that plane and with good reason.
Dman
Brinkmanship. Less casualties on both sides.
It was the Germans who asked Russia to build Nordstream 2.
cleo
It's impossible to discuss things seriously with a madman, or to expect any decision made to be honoured. Seriously, a culture advisor?
Mad Vlad acts like a little Caesar, and will hopefully meet the same fate as Julius.
Beware the Ides of March, Vlad?
wtfjapan
Hopefully NATO will be laid to rest after this and the world will be a much more peaceful place.
laid to rest, what makes you think Putin will be finished with Ukraine. NATO is the only thing holding him back from invading others. youre delusional
wtfjapan
Who are these so-called Russian supporters?
Fox news and other right wing media, because they cant take the China is the enemy narrative away
rainyday
Plenty of casualties on the Russian side now.
And it was the Germans who walked away from it the second Putin started the war .
Express sister
Can you think of any posters on this very website who said, over and over again, "eh, this is all just Biden sabre-rattling, Russia won't do anything", and then after the invasion occurred, saying, "I don't care"?
Gilbert
Please Stop providing fuel to Russia!!!
purple_depressed_bacon
The Russian people need to take a stand against Putin. He's the driving force behind this madness and he's not only ruining Ukrainian lives but Russian lives as well. All of these sanctions being imposed on Russia will cripple their economy, plummet their current standard of living and make outcasts of the people. If this fight continues I honestly don't see how Russia will recover from being a bad stain on humanity.
Peter Neil
Some of you must be too young to remember the Cuba missile crisis when the US went nuts when the USSR started deploying missiles to Cuba.
Turning this into politics is the worst of the worst. If politicians are so clever, get Putin on the phone and convince him he should stop.
Express sister
Yeah no **** there's an invasion.
BeerDeliveryGuy
Just to be pedantic, it is technically an attack and CAS bird, but yes. It was purpose-built to rain hell on the exact Russian armored convoys we’re seeing on the news.
When i saw those images, I immediately heard the familiar Warthog Brrrt in my head.
Michael Machida
Never ever trust Puty or any Russian Regime puppet. Never.
"A top Putin aide and head of the Russian delegation, Vladimir Medinsky, said that the talks lasted nearly five hours and that the envoys “found certain points on which common positions could be foreseen.” He said they agreed to continue the discussions in the coming days."
William77
I’m very perplexed about this.
How can we still believe in Russian politic?
They were the same that until last week were saying that they would never have invaded Ukraine.
Putin and his gang are full of rethoric,a great heritage from the old decrepit Soviet Union.
Express sister
There were lots of posters on this very website who said the same.
BeerDeliveryGuy
And the Ukrainian delegation is saying that Russian demands are contradictory and ridiculous. Russia is demanding Ukraine demilitarize and remain neutral, which is absurd because neutral countries are only so because they have either a powerful military, nuclear deterrent, geographical advantage or all the above.
William77
Indeed,basically Putin wants to humiliate Ukraine asking them to recognize Crimea as Russian,give independence to the Donbass and not allowing them to have their own national politic.
Basically Vlad wants a puppet state like the one run by his slave Lukashenko.
2020hindsights
Peter Neil
People often quote this, but they leave out the important detail that they were nuclear missiles. This during the height of nuclear bomb fears in the world.
bass4funk
Putin won’t talk to Biden because for one thing this president has never done is given the guy any respect and I don’t mean he has to like the guy, but he is president of a country that holds the largest amount of nuclear weapons and at the very least he should be a bit more cordial and not taking this guy seriously it’s not helpful.
For the life of me I am so curious as to where you guys get all of this garbage from.
We don’t. None of us do. Now you know.
Doolittle
Stay strong Ukraine! You will endure, even though your closest neighbors are doing nothing.
Anyone who thinks Trump or conservatives in general support the invasion of Ukraine by Russia are showing their novice level of understanding US politics.
The bottom line is, Russia invading Ukraine happened when Biden was in the WH--with Obama, and now a second time with Biden at the helm. This did not happen with Trump in the White House. Argue against that.
In the end, this really shows the weakness of Europe as a whole. And the foolishness of those European countries if they think Biden is able to do anything to resolve this.
The Avenger
https://www.parisbeacon.com/52859/
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
There's a war going on so lets stop it by supplying them with more weapons and starting a financial war with sanctions.
Jimizo
The usual delirious partisanship. All emotion, zero practical content.
What exactly do you want these neighbours to do?
Be specific.
ableko45
*feckless
Express sister
No. White nationalism is bad and Putin invading the Ukraine is also bad.
Why can't you understand that?
Nator
The no-fly zone narative is being pushed heavily by news-media but make no mistake if russia shoot down a nato plane then it becomes a nato-russian war and that really will be a dark day. It wont be pop-corn watching anymore it will be all of us under threat. Is that what people really want.
The ukraine president is not the messiah. He is just a naughty boy getting an easy ride. Just like gadaffi, hussein, bin and idi he could turn in the wrong direction in the future. I hope he remembers the initial help from the UK when he joins the EU because in many ways it was the US and the UK that has got him the support he wanted. Although Borris and Biden were both looking for a big distraction.
Express sister
Neither the US nor the UK are in the EU.
YuriOtani
These are the fiends that are suppose to make the free world tremble with fear? God Bless the brave people of Ukraine and may they always be free! You are an inspiration to the free peoples of the world!
Nator
ES
I know they are not in the EU which is my point. Countries in the EU are governed by EU rules and that does not always help the US or the UK.
Express sister
Ukraine's potential membership of the EU isn't meant to benefit nations who aren't members.
WilliB
So many experts here giving simplistic opinions about a complex situation.
I wonder if anyone can tell me why both the Obama, Trump and Biden administration were so adamant that NordStream2 is a bad thing? What exactly is bad about supplying Europe directly with energy, bypassing the choke point controlled by Ukrainian oligarchs?
Tom San
Very true, that is.
mz16
Because they want to sell their own fracking gas to the EU.
bass4funk
At a cheaper rate.