Trump claims victory despite uncounted votes; Biden urges caution

Biden has lost. He has no path to victory at all. Trump has solid leads in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Trump is leading in North Carolina, too. Biden has simply run of states to cross the 270 line. I want Biden to win, but I see no way for him too.

I want Biden to win, but I see no way for him too.

Not possible, thank you Universe!

Hold on to yourselves, doesn't the scenario contend the final result could drag for days, with the threat of judicial recourse.

The Democrats are going into insecurity mode.

Have faith people! Go Biden/Harris.

Whoa, this is foot to the floor democracy, at full chat. And then the mail in ballots.....

Mail in ballots will heavily favor Biden.

there is no other state where Biden is winning except Nevada.

All the states that Biden is losing simply stopped counting votes.

Biden has (sadly) lost. Its just noise now. He would have been remembered a lot better if he had just conceded gracefully.

Yes the mail in ballots, and battleground states that have yet to be called, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Lady Gargoyle redneck intervention could have been a political error of judgement.

Celebrity and Politics not a wise or smart combination.

@Reckless: yes - That is going to be very important as and when he concedes.It may be another 4 years before the USA can reset politically but the status quo clearly has to be accepted until then. It seems like Trump is on course to win the popular vote also, which does legitimise the win even more than last time.

I admit a flutter/gamble on Trump, my life if Trump is the next President?

Its was a crazy frivolous shot to nothing.

It will be a big win. Half will go to charity.

An enormous number of Americans have mailed in their ballots. A number of States have stated that it will take extra time. possibly up to Friday or beyond to count them all. Many of those mail-in voters support Biden, they were people who have been waiting 4 years to vote Trump out. Clearly Trump considers these mail-in votes to be a threat; he has worked to have them discount as fraud, to have no votes after November 3rd counted. I suspect we may end up with a close arguable result by the end of Nov 3rd but over the next several days the scale will tip towards Biden. Of course, Trump will dispute that and we may go into January 2021 not knowing the election outcome.

Mail in ballots will heavily favor Biden, that theory contention is dependent on you choice of broadsheet newspapers/media.

Are Mail in ballots blue?

Biden has (sadly) lost. Its just noise now. He would have been remembered a lot better if he had just conceded gracefully.

Trump is don't better than expected, but I think most had expected that. It does seem too close to call. Arizona appears to be going Biden's way, but it looks like it will come down to Pennsylvania.

Why is that?

Historically, more mail-in ballots are Democratic than Republican. This effect is increased this year by the number of people voting by mail thanks to the virus.

Both Biden and Trump need to win any two of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Trump has a lead with in-person voting, as expected, but all these states have said it will take until at least tomorrow to know their final results. The NYT seems to think that Georgia is leaning Biden, but I think that's wrong.

Every other election was counted on election night, but THIS ONE is special, in all the key states the workers quit early and went home!!! So miracle ballots could appear by morning.

No, not over yet, that fat lady has yet to stand up and sing.

Remember the counting chickens idiom.

Is it really going to be a Teflon Don win?

Well done Trump! As if anyone expected anything else? Trump has won because he knows what’s best, the American public has spoken. Keep America open and keep business running.

I don't think it matters who win anymore. It's clear that no amount of pandemic, racism, police brutality, and lying can change the minds of Americans. Trump got 1M more supporters in Texas. This is after all that has happened. Good luck to your future, USA.

Like I said already many many times before:

"I would not be surprised if Trump wins".

But I received many many complains and down votes for that comment...not that I care about that, but look now how this election is going on.

But let's wait a few days till the official result will be released.

Trump is trying to stop vote counting while over two millions ballots in Pennsylvania alone have yet to be counted.

Trump is rambling on live now, claiming he's won and will go to court to 'stop the late votes'.

He doesn't look like a man who's just won, though. Big sulky pout on his face.

Oh well, I guess we're all going to be here bickering for another four years.

He just announced that he was going to go to the Supreme Court to stop votes being counted, while millions of votes in crucial battleground states have yet to be counted.

But then... Pence just walked it back!? What?!?!

So Millions more voted and it made not much difference, so most of the USA is for Trump. Wow ok.

up 600,000 votes in PA. so they stopped counting.

Over two million postal ballots in PA haven't been counted yet. To stop counting would be the largest single act of disenfranchisement in modern American history.

Trump wants counting to stop, declared he’s the winner and says the vote is fraudulent.

The man does not care about democracy, an autocrat of the worst kind.

dont even need PA to win anyway.

GA/NC/WI/MI does it.

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself.

He loved Big Brother.

-- George Orwell

dont even need PA to win anyway.

Great, so you should be happy for all the votes in all states to be completed, no?

Yep, why did they stop counting as 3 of those states are over 91% already?

A few of us called it all along that this was Trumps election to lose. With his strong leadership and unprecedented economy, the opposition really needed to come up with an incredible candidate. Biden was not.

Communist China will be even more nervous now that they will have a strong USA in the region, beating them up in trade wars, and making sure they dont lift one finger against their allies like Japan.

Well done Donald Trump and Michael Pence, well done!

it is clearly obvious that Trump won GA and NC hours ago.

But the media refuses to call it, yet gives Arizona to Biden when the vote was barely half done.

His speech calling victory was far from it - his closing remarks about stopping counting is a clear indication that he thinks it is too close. I guess the way Arizona is going doesn't look too good for him.

Yep, why did they stop counting as 3 of those states are over 91% already?

Presumably so people can sleep.

it is clearly obvious that Trump won GA and NC hours ago.

NC, I agree. GA, apparently this isn't the case. As above, the NYT seems to think it'll go Biden. I think they're wrong, but we've got to count every vote.

But the media refuses to call it, yet gives Arizona to Biden when the vote was barely half done.

I don't really know how these decisions are made. But the AP tends to get these things right. If they call it, it's worth calling. If they say it's too close, it's too close.

Trump appeared before supporters at the White House and cried foul over the election results, calling the process “a major fraud on our nation.”

No-one predicted that.

But given the numbers, why is he claiming this?

Freudian slip? Projecting again?

As he has been telegraphing for months, "promisekeeper" Trump has gone and done it: he's speechified in the East Room announcing his intention to go to the Supreme Court to stop the ballot count, a specious argument with zero legal basis that brings the electoral process into disrepute and once again reveals to the world that America has put an incorrigible rogue and scofflaw into the WH. In the coming days the sobering light of reality will extinguish the dark fantasies of this magalomaniac and his sad, misguided millions.

Trump and his followers taking a premature victory lap before losing as expected.

Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia aren't going to be called today and could go either way - Trump has a narrow lead in some but most of the remaining votes to be counted are from urban/suburban areas or absentee/mail in sources that favor Biden.

Well done America. You got exactly who you deserve.

Keep on keeping the faith’ if it helps...

Arizona's gone blue.

Doesn't look like America can handle Democracy anymore, just two parties and it's still too much for them to fathom.

Haha..I knew he would do this. He is intent on destroying the country.

6 out of the 7 states remaining are Trump states. He's leading in all of them.

Trump will win. The stock market knows it too.

itsonlyrocknrollToday  04:05 pm JST

Mail in ballots will heavily favor Biden, that theory contention is dependent on you choice of broadsheet newspapers/media.

Are Mail in ballots blue?

Not necessarily. But mail-in ballots do require reading and writing abilities to a minimal extent. That alone favors Biden.

exactly, stopping after 90%+ is already counted.

now gives Dems weeks to try to stretch this out and find new votes.

failing to continue counting is the fraud that he is accusing of being perpetrated.

Trump said stop the VOTE. not the counting of the vote.

voting is over. counting is not, and should continue immediately.

Biden says “We believe we’re on track to win this election" despite being well behind in every place left except Nevada.

despite being well behind in every place left except Nevada

Is Arizona included in your definition of "every place"?

Well done America. You got exactly who you deserve.

Well, half of America, anyways.

Mind-boggling.

Arizona was already added to his count of 238. he gets 6 for from Nevada, then what?

Thats not 270.

Is Arizona included in your definition of "every place"?

But the media refuses to call it, yet gives Arizona to Biden when the vote was barely half done.

I think state media/Fox News called it for Biden. Best stop posting links to them.

Arizona was already added to his count of 238. he gets 6 for from Nevada, then what?

Most of the votes remaining to be counted in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are in urban/suburban areas which lean heavily Dem, and absentee or mail in ballots that are also likely to lean Dem. Trump's razor thin leads in those states are unlikely to hold once the final tally is in.

Elsewhere today, voters in Arizona, Montana, New Jersey and South Dakota voted to legalise marijuana. Congratulations!

700,000 vote lead in PA is "razor thin"? come on, man.

So, the polls were wrong (again), the Biden landslide didn't happen, and Trump can still win without Pennsylvania. Things didn't turn out the way many posters were gloating about yesterday.

Now Trump is threatening to go to the Republican Supreme Court to stop the counting. What an idiot.

700,000 vote lead in PA is "razor thin"? come on, man.

If the final tally is a difference of 700,000, I agree that is not "razor thin", But its not a "lead" anymore than Biden's apparent "lead" was in Ohio a few hours ago until all the votes were counted and Trump ended up winning. (Granted that I also used the word "lead" to describe it). The remaining votes to be counted there are mainly from Dem leaning areas. I don' t know who will win, maybe Trump will, but its far from over there.

BlacklabelToday  05:22 pm JST

Trump said stop the VOTE. not the counting of the vote.

voting is over. counting is not, and should continue immediately.

Perhaps you should tell your man Trump, he seems a bit confused.

Fighto!Today  05:29 pm JST

The Americans want Trump, simple as that.

Not really. You see, there's thing they have in America called "the popular vote." Do you have any idea what it is, and how it's looking at the moment?

Counting should never be halted. It leaves lots of room for foul play.

Everyone relax. These elections were bogus from the beginning. Choosing between an old and even older grumpy man is not much fun.

You see, there's thing they have in America called "the popular vote." Do you have any idea what it is, and how it's looking at the moment?

Theres a thing called "Electoral College", which is the important thing. Popular vote dont mean nothing nationally.

Poor liberals. Your +8 polls all turned into nonsense.

resigned to Hoping and praying for a 1 vote victory on a mail in ballot with no postmark and a non matching signature.

2 grumpy old men.  Just what the US needs.

The article is full of fairly biased and bogus reporting though.

The final result is still in the balance, but it's amusing to watch clips on Louder with Crowder of politicians and pundits so confidently call the the election for Biden - as a landslide, weeks out.

People who were concerned about Covid, mailed in votes, those not concerned about it chose to vote in person on the day.

That is pretty much the delineation of the two parties right there. Dems will dominate the mail votes, Trump knows that.

Not a done deal by any means at this stage.

Popular vote dont mean nothing nationally.

It do mean The Americans want Trump, simple as that don't hold no water.

More people prefer Biden (as more preferred Clinton) but they apparently live in the wrong places.

Lots of Trump supporters on various news outlets claiming postal vote fraud. None of them have any evidence whatsoever but keep repeating there is fraud. Ridiculous.

Interestingly, a Republican supporter, while being interviewed on the BBC, said he received a text from Pence representatives asking for donations to help a legal case to challenge the result. This was was a couple of hours before both Biden and Trump spoke. This has been their planned tactic for months.

See what they did there?

Yeah, accurately interpreted what he meant. Voting already has stopped. Why did he make a distinction between Arizona, where he was losing, and said that counting should continue, and PA, WI and MI, where he said "voting should stop"?

The fraud is the halting of counting in the states where Trump is projected to win. There are no less than SIX republican states being contested but only ONE Democrat.

This is because Republican legislatures refused to allow early ballots or mail-in ballots to be counted before today. If they had, we might know the results by now.

Voting had already stopped.

This was an opportunity for Donald Trump to take a respite, an period of equanimity.

But alas without any logical reasoning, States yet to declare, Donald Trump prematurely declares victory, ranting incessantly about some phantom ballot box robber, the fictitious fraud on the American people.

Does the Trump analytical campaign team suspect Joe Biden will secure those crucial undeclared battle ground states?

Couldn't make that up. Go to bed get some shut eye.

How do we know that when they didn’t count until there was nothing left to count and announce a result?

Voting had already stopped.

How do we know that when they didn’t count until there was nothing left to count and announce a result?

Because, sometimes, you can make projections based on experience and the votes currently counted. Texas only has 84% of its votes counted at the moment. Do you think it should be un-called for Trump?

Looks like a comfortable lead for the winner Trump in the remaining states.

No no. You need to know how many uncounted ballots remain. So the 1 million you have now doesn’t become 1.5 million tomorrow. Voting is over.

all this just being done so Biden doesnt have to ever concede and 4 more years of denying the results.

Well, at least it looks like the Dems won’t get the Senate, that’s fantastic for the US, we can hold on to our democracy

Yep kept the Senate and increased the total in the House. Very good.

once the votes are counted Biden wins. That's why Trump declared, this behaviour was predicted. He'll lose court cases as it was the Republicans in the states in Wisconsin that prevented early mail-in ballot counting in the state legislature to begin with. Make up your mind.

Pa has 3 days, WI has 9 days. Mail in ballots have never been illegal and started during the civil war.

Trump's next step is this week, as he calls for control, basically a coup

he can't stop the vote counting though, so either he acts now to take control or he loses.

The pollsters are a disgraceful sham. The margin of error is incomprehensible.

Democrats thought they could force another conservative, neo-liberal geriatric on the electorate and defeat P.T. Barnum Trump. Suppressing progressives proved disastrous again.

Once Trump declares his coup, the Repubs here will celebrate but otherwise be regarded as traitors to the US constitution and the right to vote. Such is the level of their trolling that they would light a match to the constitution.

Thankfully it will all blow over in a week once the tallies are all in and be nothing. If it results in shots fired then there might be a skirmish but it won't be a civil war. The most populated cities voted Biden. Not enough hillbillies.

It shouldn't have been this close, but such is the fall of the USA. If the Dems take the senate then real change can occur but it's a tie, so not even that changes.

What a mess.

USSR had its collapse, perhaps we're seeing the USA version. By the weekend we'll know if it's just a bunch of lawyer's wrangling or anything more sinister.

No no. You need to know how many uncounted ballots remain. So the 1 million you have now doesn’t become 1.5 million tomorrow. Voting is over.

We do know. And, again, there is no need to go to the Supreme Court to stop voting when it has already been stopped.

Trump wants to stop counting votes.

The pollsters are a disgraceful sham. The margin of error is incomprehensible.

Good point. In future elections, the margin of error will be given as 10% I expect.

And we can see why he wanted the counting stopped: Biden has just pulled ahead (barely) in WI. Still many votes yet to be counted, though.

Yeah was 94% counted then 120,000 extra votes for Biden but only 95% now?

so if 1% is that many votes, 12 million people voted in Wisconsin? Nope.

Another possibility is that the Electoral College gets tied.

Then the vote goes to the House of Representatives to break that tie. One vote per state though so 50 votes.

Then the Senate picks the Vice President. 100 members.

All tie-tackular!

Fun times

That's right Americans overseas, servicemen, and mail-in voters, you're votes don't count because Donald Dictator says so. What a joke.

itsonlyrocknroll

Hold on to yourselves, doesn't the scenario contend the final result could drag for days, with the threat of judicial recourse.

Exactly. It is the "red mirage" scenario that has been predicted by many. I.e. Trump wins on election day, and then the miracle mail votes for "correct" candidate keep trickling in. This will be an extended drama that will go to the courts.

Exactly. It is the "red mirage" scenario that has been predicted by many. I.e. Trump wins on election day, and then the miracle mail votes for "correct" candidate keep trickling in. This will be an extended drama that will go to the courts.

And Zaphod, the supreme court will appoint the next king, why have elections then, as the GOP will dispute any election result? And on WHAT legal basis do you disenfranchise a voter, and his ballot, after it met all legal standards. Like my faxed vote in Florida is to be declared null and void, EVEN though the law states that it is OK? But, Dictator Trump might not win if we COUNT all the votes, so stop counting the votes? How is this logical or legal? Zaphod, you are NOT a democrat or a true American!

This is a fraud on the American public.

Oh, yes.

He's absolutely right. But not for the reasons he thinks.

Stay strong, stay patient. It's not over yet.

Not too early?

The rat

And Zaphod, the supreme court will appoint the next king, why have elections then, as the GOP will dispute any election result?

I do not know what that is supposed to mean. If both sides claim victory and dispute the election, who is to decide? I thought that is what courts are for.

What arbiter would you prefer? CNN? The New York Times? Something else?

Communist China will be even more nervous now that they will have a strong USA in the region, beating them up in trade wars, and making sure they dont lift one finger against their allies like Japan.

The US is not strong, Trump has weakened its international standing. Being a bully is not a sign of strength - and that applies to both Washington and Beijing. As for China being communist, this is incorrect. It is an authoritarian state that brutalizes its people - a state that the Trump family has heavily invested in.

bass4funkToday  06:35 pm JST

Well, at least it looks like the Dems won’t get the Senate, that’s fantastic for the US, we can hold on to our democracy

I might've guessed you'd be calling it "democracy." Of course, if the Electoral College once again delivers a Republican president that most Americans didn't vote for, I daresay you'll be insisting you've got a " constitutional republic" or something like that.

The good news is that Trump's speech failed, no TV network have declared any winner. They're correctly waiting the results of the election day, not all votes have been counted for the day. As well this gives time for the mail in votes to be counted over the next few days.

It was determined that more Repubs voted on election day and more Dems mailed in their ballots so it's a likely Biden win. We'll have to wait and see.

No doubt Trump will rage tweet everyday until then, but you knew that

Now that the absentee ballot results are starting to come in, Biden has pulled into the lead in Wisconsin. Trump is having another of his patented hissyfits.

sf2k

The good news is that Trump's speech failed, no TV network have declared any winner.

However, you are guaranteed that if Biden makes speech claiming victory, the TV networks will all broadcast it immediately.

The media are functioning as the PR arm of the democrat party, that just something you have to acknowledge.

Watch out for the updating news . . . former Vice President Biden currently leads in electoral votes, 11/ 4/2020, 2:57 a.m. PST USA, https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/president/

Huh?

However, you are guaranteed that if Biden makes speech claiming victory, the TV networks will all broadcast it immediately.

He had his own broadcast and was quoted in the article. Did you even read it? It's the 14th paragraph

Careful about celebrating before the contest is finished. I do not vote because voting is a form of validation for those elected to do as they wish.

Simon Foster

 I might've guessed you'd be calling it "democracy." Of course, if the Electoral College once again delivers a Republican president that most Americans didn't vote for, I daresay you'll be insisting you've got a " constitutional republic" or something like that.

Err, yes. That is how the system is designed. If you want to abolish the electoral college and have a straight majority vote, you don´t have the USA any more, you just have the UA with a central government. By the way, votes in the EU parliament are not simply allocated by straight majority, they are also weight according to population size of the various countries. Otherwise, Germany and France would dominate the thing even more than they do already.

Funny that a non-American has to explain that...

A Trump victory is a total rejection of your opinions.

And a Trump loss would be....?

He's absolutely right. But not for the reasons he thinks.

Stay strong, stay patient. It's not over yet.

This really reminds me of 2000.

I might've guessed you'd be calling it "democracy." Of course, if the Electoral College once again delivers a Republican president that most Americans didn't vote for

Yes, CA and NY don’t speak for the entire nation. Again, we don’t vote for a President based on popularity and we wouldn’t be in this mess if didn’t have early voting, but it favors Dems, easier to cheat and most Republicans want to see their vote counted because they don’t trust the system and rightfully so. So once again, this will eventually end up on the lap of the SC.

I daresay you'll be insisting you've got a " constitutional republic" or something like that.

Yes, indeed.

I think one of the positive outcomes of a Trump victory is that it will finally show that European Trump haters know absolutely nothing about American politics or America or what American citizens want. A Trump victory is a total rejection of your opinions.

I know quite a few Europeans who like Trump. They are in the minority, like Trump supporters were among American people.

Do they understand American politics?

It ain't over yet. Lots of uncounted votes or have the Republicans conveniently forgotten that there were record numbers of early votes because of Covid? Typical Trump to imagine he has won already. What a loser. Even if he wins, what a loser.

Biden should win with 286 EC. He should flip Arizona, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Georgia with postal votes. Biden leads the popular vote by 2.5 mil and growing.

Go Biden.

This is a genuine question:

If absentee/mail-in ballots have to be submitted before the polls close, and because of this most are sent before election day and arrive at their designated centres in advance, why are they always "added on" at the end of the count in hundreds of thousands?

If they are on hand before the polls even open, surely they are the first to be counted?

From the beginning the fraudulent mainstream media was asserting that Biden was the victor. The entire Biden / Harris socialist ticket was a joke to begin with. The Dem's never condemned the burning, looting and rioting of armed thugs (domestic terrorists) while they tore down Dem controlled cities. Good for Trump. For the rest of you, the truth hurts.

Get off the MSM and TV and do a bit of research.

Anyone else find it kinda weird how the young left liberal people dont like the old white guys but when it comes time to vote or the american election they choose the side of the oldest white guy biden, are they not very much a bunch of hypocrites or what ?

It seems to be getting closer in Michigan. If Biden were to win there, and assuming he wins Maine, Nevada, Arizona, and Wisconsin (where he's currently winning), I think gives him the victory. So all eyes on Michigan. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

One thing about the US election is that it gives good maths practice.

Anyone else find it kinda weird how the young left liberal people dont like the old white guys but when it comes time to vote or the american election they choose the side of the oldest white guy biden, are they not very much a bunch of hypocrites or what ?

I guess they just don’t care about identity politics as much as you do.

Trump losing after declaring victory is perfect, fingers crossed.