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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2018.Women's March draws hundreds of thousands as Trump term enters second year
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CrazyJoe
On TV they're showing marches across the country. It's amazing because I saw so little publicity this year. These are dedicated activists who are really involved.
Thanks for the good work. Resist. Persist. Vote!!!
RealCDN
Don't people have work to do? Maybe not. Everyone is marching - get a life.
Jimizo
I generally don’t have work to do on Saturdays.
PTownsend
That seems to be the reductionist perspective believers in paternalistic authoritarian (aka big brother) regimes, e.g. rightists, evangelicals and those from states led by kings, kleptocrats and other despots, seem to have. My sense is males who think that way have great fear of women in general, or perhaps reduce them to being objects. Curious that so many of these same males express fears about people they see as different from them. That’s could be why so many of those males have private arsenals. Warm gun (bigger than yours) syndrome?
And in the Trump era, when it’s becoming increasingly clear he and his fellow Republicans are further rigging things for the benefit of the wealthiest while attempting to stifle all opposition like we see in states led by despots, marches are one way for an array of voices to be heard. Marches and a free press are hallmarks of properly functioning democracies.
Everyone? Assuming these stay peaceful, I’m thankful that democracies allow people to to march, and those who do don’t have to worry about getting their heads bashed in, thrown in jail or even killed for doing so.
bass4funk
They're marching? I just found that out on JT had no idea this was going on. Are the other news networks covering it?
Do poor people give bonuses and incentives to the middle class? Do poor people create and build jobs? The left they make that stupid argument and no one is listening, I want the rich to make as much money as possible in order to bring back and create jobs and take advantage of the new tax code and the same goes for small business owners.
Good for them if you have the time to do so, but many of us have to work and make money and don't have time to march.
katsu78
Here is a good example of the failure of discourse in American society. If you want criticism of something, as in a critique, as in a thoughtful analysis of its weaknesses and failings, you should go to someone who loves and understands the topics and wants to make it better. When I want to hear criticism of my local pizza joint, I get a critic who loves pizza and wants it to be the best it can be, not someone who thinks we should be eating soup instead.
If you want to critique a women's march, you should go to active feminists who understand the movement and want to make it better. You should not be going to a libertarian think tank that would rather there not be a women's march in the first place.
But news articles avoid nuanced and thoughtful analysis because that takes effort, education, and expertise. And it takes energy for customers to understand. So instead they just quote someone who is ideologically opposed to the very idea of the thing under discussion and pretend some kind of useful discourse happened.
Jimizo
Yes, perhaps the marchers are doing the same thing. I’m sure they all have devices like smartphones or iPads.
It just seems strange to dismiss people marching on a Saturday, the weekend, with probably the same mobile devices as everyone else, as people who should be making money.
It doesn’t really stand up as an argument.
I think it’s more honest just to say you don’t like what they are marching for.
bass4funk
But I make money, they just want to blow off steam.
Sorry, just saying. I like making money, yes, you can protest, but I have better things to do, more productive things to do, wearing a pink fluffy hat is not going to cut it.
I think it does.
They could march for the minions for all I care and wear yellow hats, good for them.
Jimizo
Maybe they are making money while blowing off steam.
I’m pretty sure if they were marching with red caps with a moronic message printed on it, you wouldn’t be concerned about the headwear or them making money.
Deal with what they have to say rather than speculating.
bass4funk
99.9% I doubt it.
To be honest, I don't care about which party does it, find it personally a waste of time.
Now liberals don't want us to speculate, now that's hilarious Jim! Could comeback on a Sunday morning. ROFL
lostrune2
9 years ago, it was the Tea Partyers who were marching
Here are some pictures:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests
Guess they didn't have anything better to do
Andrew Crisp
Only around 5 million out of a female population of around 155 million so in a big year only three percent have an issue with DT. This year it will a lot less, maybe American women have realised DT isn't as bad as feminists and Democrats make out.
Jimizo
Speculating again.
Just a quick question. Do you think the people who go to Trump rallies wearing red caps, shout ‘lock her up’ and make whooping noises when Trump says ‘Elizabeth Warren’ should be working? Do you think they are making money on their tablets while attending?
Just making sure the principle holds for both.
lostrune2
So now it's no longer the question of protest is a waste of time but a question of which protest is more legitimate
But who decides what's more legitimate or not? Us?
What's more legitimate to you or me or us may not be more legitimate to someone else
At one point in time, ex-slaves' rights or women's suffrage protests were not seen as legitimate by many people (women's rights still not seen as legitimate in some parts of the world - they think it's a waste of time)
Some things are more important to some people, and less important to others - and when it's important enough for them to protest, they will put the time and effort to make it happen
We don't all share the same importance on all things - and that includes what the Tea Partyers were protesting then, and what people are protesting now
CrazyJoe
The resistance will continue. "It's Mueller Time!"
PTownsend
Does anyone know if any of the 20 women who've come forward accusing Trump of sexual assault have been asked to speak at any of the events? I'm especially interested in hearing whether Stormy Daniels is participating, or if the $130,000. she was paid is keeping her away.
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/19/579195588/get-caught-up-trumps-alleged-affair-with-adult-film-star-stormy-daniels
wtfjapan
Good for them if you have the time to do so, but many of us have to work and make money and don't have time to march. the marches were organised for the weekend, when most Americans arent working. Im sure the majority of these protesters have jobs. Just because they're exercising their democratic right to protest doesn't mean they cant take time from their schedules to march.
clamenza
womens unemployment at its lowest rate in 18 years. A few blowhards will scream bloody murder about President Trump, but overall he is popular with American women.
Jimizo
I think the figure was 53% percent of white women voters went for Trump.
That figure was much higher than the numbers for other women voters.
Overall, women voters didn’t go for Trump.
Come to think of it, overall, most voters didn’t go for Trump.
bass4funk
That was already debunked when Lisa Bloom that charlatan was outed fo the fraud she really is, on record offering to pay up to 750K to say Trump sexually harassed them and none of them took the bait.
No one cares, if they didn’t care about Buba’s indiscretions then they won’t care about Trump’s as well.
Judging as far as what’s coming down the road Mueller’s days seem to be numbered #releasethememo
CrazyJoe
It will be the women who lead the charge to take our democracy back. There is no power greater than a woman determined to rise!
Toasted Heretic
Interesting how one is told one must accept the democracy of the elections. Surely the democracy of being allowed to march/protest is acceptable, too?
No amount of slurs or armchair commentary will halt the protesters. Good on 'em.
Blacklabel
They gotta make up their minds if this is the women’s march or the we hate Trump march for it to have any effectiveness.
Most things they mad about have nothing to do with Trump but media loves calling this an anti Trump march anyway. They need to reclaim their message and be clear what this is even about.
Toasted Heretic
I know victims of sexual assault are reluctant to come forward because they will often be disbelieved, blamed or mocked. It takes a lot of courage to finally speak out.
Strangerland
Why, because you don't how they are doing it?
Anyways, the right is irate, so it seems the march was effective.
clamenza
that may have been the case 20 years ago. The reality is branding oneself a victim in 2018 is a badge of honor.
Someone touched my bum at a party back in '97.
metookabukideath
It received little media coverage because these "Women's Marches" have so little to do with women any more. Just call it a "Progressives Wearing Bras" march. After all, I thought it was politically incorrect to refer to ourselves as "Women".
We celebrated the fact that one-year ago today, Trump was inaugurated as President . . . and Hillary wasn’t.
Serrano
"as Trump term enters second year"
I thought Trump was to be impeached by the end of his first year. What gives?
SuperLib
Yeah, it's odd that some people look at this and the first thing they do is insult women.
Jimizo
I suppose it’s good to focus. Turning to another march, last year David Duke wasn’t clear if he was marching in the name of racism or in support of Trump. On balance, he stated the latter in clearer terms.
Perhaps the marchers described in the story above see women’s rights and rejection of Trump as in some ways linked. David Duke perhaps saw racism and support for Trump as natural bedfellows.
I just hope we can all admit that there were some good people in the women’s march.
Madverts
Burning BushToday 07:01 am JST
I agree that feminists are often angry radicals. It's like the Russian nationalist, an angry short man's complex shared between many. A gestalt entity. It's all down to an inferiority complex.
Luckily, you don't have to be a feminist to support the ladies and their equal rights.
Wolfpack
True. But apparently you need to be a feminist to be a misandrist and believe that conservative woman should be silenced. Trump is no different than Bill Clinton, yet feminist journalists were offering up their “services” to him because they supported his Left wing politics. These women are either confused or simply Leftist partisans who want to use government for material gain.
America is hopelessly split between a growing socialist movement and those that believe in Americanism - individual rights and responsibilities. It seems that with every election their is a pendulum that shifts from one side to the other depending upon who is in or out of power. The enthusiasm is usually with those out of power.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
What the hell is Americanism? Define it "Americanism." Are you actually suggesting other western Democracies don' have individual rights and responsibilities. Demonstrably false.
bass4funk
IF the allegations are true. By the way, do you think Paula Jones, Jennifer Flowers and Juanita Broderick and Monica Lewinsky should equally take former President Clinton to court and sue the pants off him and get compensation for their suffering? Yes or No?
He wouldn't be the first man to have a potty mouth towards women and nor will he be the last. I hope you know that won't hold up in court.
What on earth are you talking about? When and in what context?
What are you talking about???! Democracy for whom? Blacks? Whites? Women? The gay community? The middle class? Clarify please and leave the emotion out of it.
And it can be their downfall especially with this movement going on of accusing every single man of sexual harassment, at this pace, men will be so scared a lot of women won't even be employable if this keeps up. The backlash is already happening as in the case involving Aziz Ansari where he was found innocent of allegedly harassing a woman sexually. A lot of women have been abusing that power.
CrazyJoe
Today's definition of "politically correct" is "tolerance, manners and informed resistance". Donald Trump represents the exact opposite, small minded, mean spirited, mendacious and stingy.
bass4funk
He gave us tax reform, if that's stingy, then I love his stinginess, if he's mean to the media obsessed haters, then I applaud him in the biggest way.
theFu
Non-violent free speech is a beautiful thing. Way to go!
We all have things we'd like changed, but I'm finding some way to be a little happy about more than 25% gains in the stock market over the last year. Ride it while it lasts. It more than covers the 4-times more that ACA costs. If only that huge tax on the economy could be repealed, then a little more happiness would be possible.
serendipitous1
President Gump makes people who have never protested before protest.
smithinjapan
bass4funk: " if he's mean to the media obsessed haters, then I applaud him in the biggest way."
He's racist, and you applaud him for that, too.
Chop Chop
They are attention seekers. They are also losers too. I'm sicking of that kind of peoples. Give me minus if you don't agree with me or ignore it.
mukashiyokatta
The vast majority of the American people do not want Trump as president, and do not want their government dismantled by his cabinet. DUMP THE TRUM*P
bass4funk
The NYT also said that Trump killed a bunch of Koi fish while he was visiting Japan, go figure. LOL
Impossible, his son in law is Jewish and he has Ben Carson working in his administration and his former spokeswoman was Black, crushed that argument. Try something better please.
toshiko
Sunday, today. Organizers are going to gather demonstration in Las Vegas, news stated. Sunday, churches close here. On weekend, people sleep in the morning. And if they are adult, they go to Casinos' bingo rooms and gaming machine area. Under age (less than 21 yrs old) don't go outside. Most people work on weekends. So, no demo here yet. It is too warm outside anyway.
Strangerland
Yeah women. Stop being loser attention speakers. Can’t you see you’re annoying men by standing up for yourselves. Step back into the kitchen where you’re supposed to be. Right chop-chop? ...right?
Strangerland
Not only do those things somehow make it impossible that he is racist, you’ve already agreed with us that he did the actions we have shown prove he is racist (refusing to rent to black peoples); you have just said that you feel those racist actions are justified.
bass4funk
I never did such a thing, but the left have a zero argument, if you are a totally brainless incompetent, then people could come to that conclusion, but any rational person can see and would know a true racist and I mean a devoted and down to the bone racist would never allow ANY minority near them whether marrying into their family or working with them. I met enough racists in my life and in California despite that people think it's a liberal basket case, but at the same time, there are a lot of racists that live in the state and some city areas where groups like skinheads and Nazi Low Riders and others live and these are the most intolerant bunch of idiots on the planet and good luck if you are a minority trying to get near them, let alone talking to them. Trump isn't even nowhere in that universe. If you want to get on him for saying racially insensitive things, you may have a point, but outright racist, that argument is falling deaf ears. But if it makes the left haters feel good, go ahead. Hit that feel good mic.
Strangerland
Really, did I misunderstand? The way I read your comments is that you were saying Trump was justifying not renting to black people because they were criminals. I guess I was wrong, you were not saying it was justified. So you would agree that Trump was a racist for not renting to black people, correct? Or did I actually understand what you were saying, that his racism was justified? It's one or the other.
Toasted Heretic
Nothing can justify the sexual predator's racism. What's more worrying is how many people are making excuses for it. Trying to rationalise it. Pretend it just isn't there.
There are no degrees of racism. You are or you aren't. You can wear a swastika, or you can wear a white collar and tie.
Same goes for the sexism. "Oh, he can't possibly be a sexist - he's married".
No more excuses.
Russell Leisenheimer
this is, at best, a complete misunderstanding of what bloom was doing
see here
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365068-exclusive-prominent-lawyer-sought-donor-cash-for-two-trump-accusers
Jimizo
Not sure about that. I would distinguish between someone carrying out a murderous attack fueled by racism and someone who refuses to rent out to people based on skin colour.
What shocks me is people making excuses for people refusing to rent to black people.
Revolting.
bass4funk
Yes, I think it was justified, but that doesn't mean the man was a racist given the circumstances surrounding NYC in the 70's and 80's.
Not at all.
No, it's not one or the other, there are multiple facets to the situation, a real racist wouldn't be seen or even be around people of color.
I agree, but if you want to make that same analogy then you have to call the Democrats white tie racists, that is if you want to be honestly fair.
Strangerland
Racism isn't circumstantial. It's either racism or it isn't, and refusing to rent to people based on their race is racist. The only thing circumstances have to do with it is whether you feel the racism is justified, and it appears I wasn't misunderstanding, you do indeed feel that the racism was justified.
Sometimes racists don't have a choice, or try to bring around "uncle Tom's" who they can stomach, so that they appear less racist.
I have a client like that - doesn't like anyone non-Japanese, but he's been clear he tolerates me because I speak Japanese. Some of the stuff he says about foreigners is downright racist, but he's seen around me.
(And before anyone asks why I deal with him - well I have a price, and he has gone well over that. I sold out)
cleo
You think a person isn't a real racist unless he actively avoids any contact with those of another race, possibly foaming at the mouth if he can't avoid contact?
Maybe a real rapist wouldn't be able to resist his urges at any time, so someone who has raped in the past but can sometimes be in the same room as a woman without forcing himself on her, wouldn't be a real rapist in your eyes?
Maybe a real murderer can't help wanting to killing anyone and anything in sight, so anyone who has killed in the past but hasn't killed every single person he came into contact with, isn't a real murderer in your eyes?
What do you call a person who agrees with both sides of an argument at the same time, contradicts stuff he wrote only a short time before, defends his Dear Leader for doing the same stuff (but more, and more often) that he attacked his predecessor for doing, insists that only extremes are true except when they aren't?
Toasted Heretic
Pretending the man is not racist is intellectual dishonesty.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/racism-and-donald-trump-a-common-thread-throughout-his-career-and-life
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trumps-history-of-racism_us_5a594ee8e4b04bdc6d93546f
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
cleo
That somehow makes him not racist? You realise racism takes many forms?
Quotes from Trump -
*I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.*
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2016/9/26/senate-section/article/S6073-2
Serrano
"Quotes from Trump -
I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkesevery day.
Har!