World battles virus epidemic as cases multiply outside China


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China is waning

Some trust data coming from China. Others question it.

It's a very very weak flu, that has a slightly higher mortality rate among elderly people.

Way too early to say what COVID-19 is or isn't. Propagandists are having a field day with it. Some, like Limbaugh, saying it's being weaponized to harm Trump, playing up his purported victimhood. Others that world leaders PutinXiTrump (sounds like a dirty French word) are trying to drive share prices down so they and their fellow global elite can buy larger amounts of shares in key industries to increase their control of the global economy.

With the US CDC 'weaponized' to protect Trump, are there any government agencies anywhere that can be trusted? Which NPO is most reliable.

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Burning Bush, if you really trust China's numbers then this might not be that much of a concern but it jumped the fire line somehow and ended up in Iran and Italy and is spreading from there. It's only a matter of time. Iran's numbers are also suspect.

The following makes you think, if you are able to understand "Rate of Transmission".

How contagious is the Wuhan Coronavirus? (Ro)

The attack rate or transmissibility (how rapidly the disease spreads) of a virus is indicated by its reproductive number (Ro, pronounced R-nought or r-zero), which represents the average number of people to which a single infected person will transmit the virus.

WHO's estimated (on Jan. 23) Ro to be between 1.4 and 2.5. [13]

Other studies have estimated a Ro between 3.6 and 4.0, and between 2.24 to 3.58. [23].

Preliminary studies had estimated Ro to be between 1.5 and 3.5. [5][6][7]

An outbreak with a reproductive number of below 1 will gradually disappear.

For comparison, the Ro for the common flu is 1.3 and for SARS it was 2.0.

Above quote taken from here:

The Coronavirus will take quite sometime to "burn itself out". It will spread. How far? Who really knows but it's just getting started on the rest of the world. I predict based on today's trends that the Olympics will be cancelled.

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The entire Southern Hemisphere has fewer cases than you can count on your hands

It's summer in the Southern Hemisphere, but winter is coming.

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Listen to scientists, not politicians. Politicians want to make themselves look good, scientists want to save the world.

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It's a very very weak flu, that has a slightly higher mortality rate among elderly people.

Of the cases that have been closed, roughly 10 percent have died. Not what I call a weak flu.

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China is under-reporting Coronavirus cases by up to 50X

Epoch Times got ahold of official government documents, and discovered the Chinese goverment is tweaking the numbers by a factor of up to 52X in some cases. That's not 52 percent, that's 52X.

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Over here in Germany it is indeed a wee bit worrisome that the poor fellow who came down with COVID has been merrily celebrating carnival in the west of the country and his wife, who has meanwhile been tested positive as well, is a kindergarten teacher. It might lead to another cluster like the one in northern Italy and despite I firmly refuse to give in to overworrying, I might use public transport a bit less and wash my hands more thoroughly after gripping handles. Still no need to panic, though.

I might panic if folks in hazmat-suits paint my door with a plague cross because I dared to cough in public. It's hay fever season yet!

Be sensible and take precautions - fear will only make your immune system more vulnerable.

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Your lungs have excess capacity you don't use. This helps you get through lung infections when you need to. You won't notice if this excess capacity is slowly vanishing without a reference. A bread bag is a reference everyone has that is pretty much uniformly made and easy to use.

Squeeze all the air out of a bread bag. Take the deepest breath you can and blow it into the bread bag as far out as you possibly can. Twist the bag to trap the air, down to where the bag is fully inflated holding pressure. Mark where the air fills the bag to. ONE BAG PER PERSON. Keep the bag, and occasionally check to see if you can still fill it to the mark. If you can't, something is amiss and you just got an early warning for FREE.

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A bread bag is a reference everyone has

Really? I have no idea what a bread bag is. It sounds like a bag one keeps bread in, which to me is a common or garden plastic bag. Is there a difference? Does a plain old plastic bag work just as well? I think it would have to be a rather large one to hold full lung capacity.....

Invalid CSRF

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In Germany we got pretty large bread bags... some other advice I heard was to breathe through slightly closed lips or onto your finger in front of them when you have breathing difficulties - if this makes breathing easier, you got asthma. If it doesn't, see a doctor...

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Use an ordinary plastic bread bag.

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an ordinary plastic bread bag

You mean I gotta go buy a loaf of that sweet white starchy stuff that passes for bread here? The wholewheat mixed grain bread I get from the baker's when I don't have time to bake usually comes in a paper bag.....

Mebbe I'll try an ordinary all-purpose largish kitchen plastic bag.

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@zichi: at your age oxygen sat at over 85% is considered okay, please don't worry. Individual levels of oxygen utilization may vary, someone who has lived in a mountainous region may have an oxygen saturation deemed critical for other persons. Good luck! :)

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Make sure you get your 3 yens worth playing with plastic bags. I hear you can wear them in public to show up the ordinary mask wearers. Opaque type needs eye holes.


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Just don't forget!

Made in China

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Orange County officials declare local health emergency over coronavirus

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Drugmaker Moderna Delivers First Experimental Coronavirus Vaccine for Human Testing

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The stats so far from the coronavirus:

It's more contagious than the regular flu. Also, the virus could remain active on a surface for several more hours than the regular flu

The mortality rate for a regular flu is about 0.1% vs. the mortality rate for the coronavirus is about 2.3%

In addition from the coronavirus, about 15% suffer severe symptoms, while the rest (82%) suffer mild symptoms

Thus, compared to your regular flu, the coronavirus is a super-flu

BTW, the head of an Iranian government task force on the coronavirus got the flu ironically evident on live TV while he was speaking and downplaying it:

"Iran says official who played down coronavirus fears is infected"

The head of Iran’s coronavirus task force revealed Tuesday he tested positive for the illness — just one day after insisting that reports of the outbreak in the country were overblown.

Deputy Health Minister Iraj Harirchi announced on Twitter that he had come down with the virus after appearing sick at a Tehran press conference about the health threat.

During an address carried live on TV, Iran's deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, is seen aggressively wiping sweat from his brow which turned out to be a fever caused by coronavirus COVID-19.

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@zichi - although its easy to say, the more you fret over those multiple medical matters the more things will become worse for you. Focus upon the one that's key, then move onto the next, don't loose sight of hope!

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Listen to scientists, not politicians. Politicians want to make themselves look good, scientists want to save the world.

I don’t think it is wise to trust scientists just because they are scientists. They are also human beings and prone to the same human failings as anyone else. I would wager that most scientists are well meaning. You can also count on the fact that there are also some that are self serving and corrupt. These days many scientists are blending science with politics - for these people it’s trust but verify.

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