Zelenskyy accuses West of cowardice in helping Ukraine fight

Zelenskyy is expressing frustration that the NATO and the west is holding back in a futile attempt to keep the conflict in Ukraine when he knows as well as most rational intelligent people know that this war is expanding beyond Ukraine's borders. It already has....we're already in the economic war that comes before a kinetic one. Alliances have shifted since the west showed little willingness to stop genocide in third world Syria. I agree with Zelenskyy....watching brave Ukrainians die while the west fidgets over the inevitable is frustrating.

Putin wants to erase it from the world map, the country, the population, the history.

Putin seems to want his legacy to be Putinistan, the largest area of any empire in history one that is controlled by him and his fellow Zazis. And if he's actually willing to use nukes the little male might be able to have his dream come true. Maybe several of his palaces have fallout shelters so secure that after the nuclear winter he can emerge from one and look at maps and say "all mine". Though the world around him may be barren of life, he can still claim it is his. But it's doubtful many in his cult will be around to cheer him on. It's pretty unlikely Putin will permit many in his cult to shelter with him. Allow a sick man to rule and stay in power, but you eventually have to pay the price. And that price could be the end of life on the planet, Russians and others in his cult you own this.

Beggars cannot be choosy,Ukraine not ascertain authority in Donna's, the US got enough for 100 of years stored for the next Ukraine Russia war, American military do not get weapon it want sometimes

This is between the US and Russia and the US has a record of starting something but not finishing it. Zelenskyy and Ukraine have been left out on the frontlines while the military industrial complex gets another contract worth billions of dollars.

“If only those who have been thinking for 31 days on how to hand over dozens of jets and tanks had 1% of their courage.”

He’s right. More US failure. Don’t continue to make Zelenskyy think you’ve got his back if you’re not going to send jets or more support.

Declare a cease fire and NATO neutrality for Ukraine.

Ok so when even Zelensky is still criticizing Biden, it should be ok for others to do that too right?

seems proof that criticism of Biden and NATO is clearly not “pro-Putin” as posters here claimed.

If Ukraine do launch attack in Russia or Belarus, they are doomed, they are within striking distance of Ukraine, just a GPS coordinates away

@quercetum Cry cry cry, blame blame blame if the US goes in and then it’s a potential WW 3 a nuclear war starts then you cry it’s the US fault and because of that they set world on fire. The US never said they had Zelenskyy back DONT get it twisted he said he would provide support not air coverage and definitely not soldiers. What makes you think the US could declare a cease fire it’s not the US war.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, now in its 32nd day, has stalled in many areas.

I wonder how many commanders were run over along the way.

Is true. I find it pretty selfish. They want US to send the weapons to Ukraine and even when they themself send their own has to be resupply by the US because they are afraid their arsenal would be depleted. And then they aren’t willing to send planes because they are afraid of escalating the war, but how is sending anti-tank and missiles any different?

Russia is betting on that no help is coming to Ukraine that they are willing to keep it up. If NATO truly want to stand up for democracy, they had to be willing to pay the price. They are the ones anyway that force Ukraines decades ago to give up their nukes, large fleet and most of their large weapon arsenal. Ukraine use to be the largest weapon storage of the USSR before it fall. NATO hinted for years to Ukraine to gave up it nuke arsenal in return for a membership. And when they did gave it up, the promise never came true. Now most people see that this whole war as something that NATO has cause themselves by weakening the Ukraine so much over the years because Ukraine though they would be protected by NATO.

The US never said they had Zelenskyy back

Yeah, the US never said that.

News from last November:

The Biden administration is throwing its support behind Ukraine. In September, President Joe Biden hosted Zelensky at the White House and said the U.S. firmly stands behind Ukraine.

In October, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin visited Kyiv to show American support. The U.S. has provided Ukraine with about $2.5 billion to arm itself since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 following the overthrow of a pro-Russian government in Kyiv.

Actually you’re right. “firmly stands behind Ukraine” does not mean the US has Ukraine’s back. This one is on Zelenskyy for assuming that.

Their present is our future? A compelling argument. Past statements from Russian leaders tend to indicate their desire to restore and enlarge the empire of old. On our part, restraint in direct military intervention on behalf of Ukraine is called for - while using all economic and diplomatic tools at our disposal - while all reasonable and necessary measures must be made to protect ourselves and allied nations from aggressive and expansionist war.

The thing is, every country must protect their own country. It's not Americas' responsibility to police the world as almost every country has continued to tell us over the last decade. Suddenly, America is asked to police the world when other countries deem it fit. Make up your minds. America should police the world or not.

seems proof that criticism of Biden and NATO is clearly not “pro-Putin” as posters here claimed.

All you criticize is Biden, though. Just yesterday you were claiming Ukraine is full of neo-Nazis, and now you're criticizing Biden for not doing more to arm them.

Ok so when even Zelensky is still criticizing Biden, it should be ok for others to do that too right? 

seems proof that criticism of Biden and NATO is clearly not “pro-Putin” as posters here claimed.

Exactly.

That Biden was just “speaking from the heart” when he advocated for regime change isn’t as good an explanation ad liberals seems to think it is.

even Macron basically said just shut up old dementia man. The USA got “scolded” by France? That’s crazy.

What does he expect? Does he want NATO and other countries to attack Russia? The rest of the world is doing what they can through economic sanctions, accepting refugees and arms support. Nobody wants to start WW3, which is why other countries and NATO are not taking direct military action against Russia. He should be thankful for the support he has already received.

All you criticize is Biden, though. Just yesterday you were claiming Ukraine is full of neo-Nazis, and now you're criticizing Biden for not doing more to arm them.

arm the neo Nazis? Absolutely not.

ukraine had to announce to its forces to follow Geneva convention so Azov will stop shooting POWs.

Zelensky is criticizing Biden too so I’m ok now. So is Macron.

arm the neo Nazis? Absolutely not.

Ahhh, a break through. Thanks for acknowledging that most Ukrainians are, in fact, not neo-Nazis. It took awhile, but we still got there. Kudos.

All you criticize is Biden, though.

Not just Joe. I spent a whole day criticizing Germany. I think it was you or someone similar who kept trying to say I was anti EU when I never mentioned EU once, only Germany.

Zelensky is an evil man; more evil than Putin.

Not just Joe

Nope. Pretty consistently bagging on Biden. You've said the US shouldn't be involved in Ukraine, and now you're complaining Biden isn't doing enough.

ukraine had to announce to its forces to follow Geneva convention so Azov will stop shooting POWs.

Except the Azav are not "strictly speaking" part of the official Ukrainian military, they are a quasi militia/military unit not unlike the Waffen-SS so like the SS are not obligated to follow military or even the government's orders or agreements.

Biden said, Putin is a slaughterer and must be taken out of his position as a President, right?

If Biden said that, I 100% agree!

contrary for the attention

Good psyop.

The last gang to invade Ukraine was from the west, 3 times.

Makes you think that Ukraine should have kept their nukes instead of joining the NPT might be wise for other NPT signatories to withdraw and develop their own weapons because obviously if you join it you have no guarantees that you won't be attacked Japan should seriously consider getting some nukes to act as a deterrent before it is to late.

Suddenly, America is asked to police the world when other countries deem it fit. Make up your minds. America should police the world or not.

It all depends on whether the POTUS has an R or D next to their name. If there is an R, you are a war monger or insensitive to countries in needl If there is a D, attacking and not helping are both justified I hear.

Zelenskyy is right to criticize the West (the USA) for not doing more: right from the get-go, preventing Russian tanks from crossing the border of Belarus by facing off from the Ukrainian side would have called the cowardly Putin's bluff. And as for calling for Putin's removal, heck, Biden and his AG can't even remove the bigger internal threat to America's security despite the mountain of incriminatory ammo.

If this guy expects the West to start WW3 for him, he is off his rocker.

He is correct. NATO is afraid of a full scale war with Russia, Even though militarily they could wipe out all Russian assets in Ukraine in a week. Putin is betting on this fear to decimate and subjugate Ukraine, which he invaded while it was not protected as a NATO member.

If you want to consider abt actions and reactions of Zelensky you need to roll back and check who is that guy.

former actor,comedian or say tarento who played president in hos show.Anything else but definitely not kind of politician or leader.

He have promised tons of nice promises to ukraine citizens like will make country great and strong again,will cooperate with all countries/incl Russia and so on/,will sign peace treaty with Russia and will solve issues with Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine.

Some years later nothing from his promises were fullfilled.

Reality is that Ukraine under his leadership get poorer,weaker and many especially young people have left Ukraine for good as they have seen no future for them.Even with wast ukraine resources.

Fact not related to Russia at all,when power of oligarghs or in other words bandits gets even greater.

So country did not get strong or great but opposite have happened.Ask ordinary ukarine citizens how they likes to live in Zelensky period.

This rhetorics and politics have made relationship with many more difficult than during Poroshenko era.

There was no sign or effort to solve issues in eastern Ukraine or with Russia -just fiery antirussian rhetorics have continued.No problem with nazi group slike Azov solved,nothing done against rising of nazi movements in western parts of Ukraine,even as Jew he have to feel big shame that he did nothing about that to stop and rease it for good.

Relationship inside of country between ukraine majority and minorities gets worse in decades.ask hungarains,romanians,moldavians,poles,slovakians or even russo carpathians/russyns-they will tell you more as here you will never read that Zelensky plan is to make Ukraine as country with one nation and one language and one culture only while other minorities rights are in vain.

Like some guy from Austria some decades afgo?

Do you remember that georgian fella who loved to eat his neckties?I mean that madman Saakashvili who have attacked Ossetia and Abkhazia on even of Beijing olympics in 2008...and do you remember how all of this have ended?

He also have felt "support from USA and NATO" that in real never came as Russian forces have crushed his agression in matter of 4 days.Now guy is locked in georgian prosin by own gergian people and virtually forgotten for good-he was used and he is expired already.

Zelensky felt same but now possibly he realizes that promises are cheap and he and his so country is needed only as starting point for attack on Russia,his country is needed for sources need be stolen by american corporations and yes also for testing and production of biological weapons/ask Hunter Biden-he may have more detailed info/.His grain is needed for greedy foreigners.

Do you remember south american "beacons of democracy" like Manuel Noriega from Panama?

When USA needed to use him he was a "great democrat" and than when he was not needed anymore they have took him down as "criminal".

Zelensky will have same end.

As now he is acting like media face and symbol of ukrainian fight but his days may be numbered.

When his boss will find replacement this guy will go offline straight away.More he consider and delay his direct talks with Russia-more ukraine people will die and will suffer.

This guys needs to stop to use drugs and need to look into eyes of reality-which is very hard in his case.

I wish this conflict will end,Zelensky will go woods and forgotten by all and new ear of Russia and Ukraine relationship will start.

which he invaded while it was not protected as a NATO member.

And yet

NATO recognises Ukraine as Enhanced Opportunities Partner 

12 Jun. 2020

On Friday (12 June 2020), the North Atlantic Council recognised Ukraine as an Enhanced Opportunities Partner. This status is part of NATO’s Partnership Interoperability Initiative, which aims to maintain and deepen cooperation between Allies and partners that have made significant contributions to NATO-led operations and missions.

Furthermore, Ukraine has had years of US military training, weapons, NGO “democracy” funding, Victoria Nuland handing out cookies, and more. Meanwhile cozying up to the neo nazis, never implementing the Minsk agreements and ramping up attacks against their own citizens fighting for equality. All the while Putin is giving warnings.

Reminds me of Apollo Creed in Rocky II.

Nope. Pretty consistently bagging on Biden. You've said the US shouldn't be involved in Ukraine, and now you're complaining Biden isn't doing enough.

Oh Biden has done quite more than enough already. 3 walkbacks in 2 days. Said US troops would go to Ukraine, the US would use chemical weapons against Russia and then advocating Russia regime change.

he needs to stop “doing” things. I don’t get how you think my position is that he should do more?

is your opinion that Biden is doing a great job here?

I don’t get how you think my position is that he should do more?

Black, what was Zelensky criticizing Biden for? What is the title of this article?

Pres. Zelensky can say whatever he wants. If it keeps the home crowd fired up and it gets him the much needed support from the outside, then say say whatever you must. Zelensky has been doing a masterful job.

It was interesting the other day a news reporter asked one Ukraine soldier in Kiev if wasn't worried about Zelensky's safety, and he said, "Anyone who wants to kill him has to get through 1,000,000 very angry Ukrainians first!" That was great.

I am not Zelensky am I?

yes Zelensky is criticizing Biden for not doing enough while at the same time unhappy with his numerous verbal blubbers that require others to later tell us what he “meant”

“I’ve talked to the defenders of Mariupol today. I’m in constant contact with them. Their determination, heroism and firmness are astonishing,” Zelenskyy said in a video address, 

This is the kind of praise one would hear about the allies in WWII. Where are they now?

BlacklabelToday  08:22 am JST

even Macron basically said just shut up old dementia man. The USA got “scolded” by France? That’s crazy.

This is a prime indicator that something is wrong in the WH.

This is the reason why NATO was created. But NATO is gutless. What stopping NATO from letting loose. Germany reliant of Russian Gas. They can get gas elsewhere but rather deal with the devil. Yes NATO need to do what they was created to do. Forcing population of 10 million on to the EU is reason enough to start blowing up the Russian in Ukrain

I am not Zelensky am I?

I am quite certain that you are not. But do you agree with him?

Makes you think that Ukraine should have kept their nukes instead of joining the NPT

This is exactly why North Korea will never give up their nukes. Most Libyans probably wish they had kept their nuclear program too.

zichiToday  10:03 am JST

Ok but what other country made their Nazi and ethnic cleansing militia national heroes?

Only Ukraine it did it in 2007 but international condemnation made them rescind it.

Then they did it again in 2015 this time surreptitiously buried in another law and everyone remains silent except Poland which protested and then 3 years later passed its own law calling these groups criminals

he needs to stop “doing” things. I don’t get how you think my position is that he should do more?

After saying that the US warning that Russia was intending to invade Ukraine was "sabre rattling" and that Russia never would invade Ukraine, you complained that the US should have done more to prevent the invasion.

I'm sorry that you don't have a consistent point of view, other than, "the US is bad", but you can't get mad when other people point it out.

Ok but what other country made their Nazi and ethnic cleansing militia national heroes?

Only Ukraine it did it in 2007 but international condemnation made them rescind it.

Then they did it again in 2015 this time surreptitiously buried in another law and everyone remains silent except Poland which protested and then 3 years later passed its own law calling these groups criminals

Pretty bad. Does it justify Russian invasion, in your view? When you hear about the children's hospitals being destroyed, theatres being annihilated, thousands of civilians dead, do you think, "yeah? Well, seven years ago a different President said a thing"?

Pretty bad. Does it justify Russian invasion, in your view? 

If you read anything I wrote you would know the answer!

Wouldn't matter because you all have excuses!

You will all sit there and say that Putin is crazy granted he is, you'll all say that his rant about neo-nazis in the Ukraine government is crazy, but then you'll ignore the fact that this same government elevated Nazi criminals to national hero status and act like that has no bearing on the situation!

Laws passed directed specifically at ethnic Russians, laws passed to elevate Nazis and war criminals to National Heroes, well that resonates with certain people and those are the people that Putin is counting on for backing.

This war did not start in a vacuum and for 8 years it seems that the Ukrainian government has done everything to aggravate it or to bring it on.

Perhaps in some twisted backwards thinking way they thought that the West was actually going to come to their aid so they poked the bear more and more.

No Putin does not have the right to do what he's doing but if you give him an excuse if you give him reasoning that he can use in his own mind and that of his backers you've done half the job for him and that's what Ukraine did.

You will all sit there and say that Putin is crazy granted he is, you'll all say that his rant about neo-nazis in the Ukraine government is crazy, but then you'll ignore the fact that this same government elevated Nazi criminals to national hero status and act like that has no bearing on the situation!

Zelenskyy was elected in 2019. You're referring to something in 2015. They are not the same government.

Come on. Get it together.

Replace Russia with Saudi Arabia, replace thousands of civilians dead with tens of thousands of civilian Yemeni dead, and now ask yourself why you are so vocal here and not here:

Yes, that is also horrific. What is your point?

No Putin does not have the right to do what he's doing but if you give him an excuse if you give him reasoning that he can use in his own mind and that of his backers you've done half the job for him and that's what Ukraine did.

You're the one giving him excuses, not me.

You're the one giving him excuses, not me.

Guess you didn't listen to his ranting speech on the day of the invasion.

Proves my point that most people don't know the facts or history.

Zelenskyy was elected in 2019. You're referring to something in 2015. They are not the same government.

Did he or his government retract it?

No.

Did his government in July 2021 declare ethnic Ukrainians , Tartars, Cossacks, etc... Indigenous to the Ukraine but excluded ethnic Russians specifically? The answer is yes! Then they claim they wanted a peaceful solution to the breakaway regions?

Poke the bear then ask why it mauled you!

But do you agree with him?

no, I have quite different criticisms of Biden and NATO than he does.

He just wants the troops and the weapons and will say or do anything to get them.

Why are posters always bring up history?

WW1 or World WW2 are almost 100 years past.

What counts is today, the present time!

And there is a mass murdering going on right now, done by Putin and his insane mass murdering Mob!

And this must be stopped!

Immediately!

And I also can not hear the nonstop BS excuse about Neo Nazis in the Ukraine, and defending Putin's murdering of innocent men, women and children.

Nobody here as any idea what a Neo Nazi is or mean.

And digging out history to defend Putin's mass murdering makes me sick.

Poke the bear then ask why it mauled you!

This is literally excuses for Putin.

Come on.

Get a grip.

Here's a very very interesting piece from Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty. They may want to consider deleting it from YT!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgli7TpINw

JFC two things can be bad at the same time! 

can both sides of a conflict also be bad at the same time?

and as such, we should just mind our own business and let them sort it out?

possible, no?

Zelensky believed whoever told him that he could betray his election promises, greenlight the continued attacks on the civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk, and rip up the Minsk treaty with complete impunity because the US had his back.

Now he's as desperate as the wannabe 'liberators' of Venezuela were when they DIDN'T get the military backup, their attacks drew a military response, and the number of Venezuelans who rallied to them, like the number who supported Guaido's Pretendency, turned out to be smaller than promised or reported.

The reality is that the US has pretty much maxed out what it can do without starting WW3, not the one where Russia goes nuclear, but rather the one where the world's most expensive militaries realize that the 7 billion people who live outside the Imperium/International Community are pretty fed up with being ordered about by the 1 billion inside it, and cheap 'simple' (If you want to call the ubiquitous chips in our smart phones and tablets and fitness monitors and cars and... simple) weapons are, if not on par, performance wise, as the blinged out ones they have, close enough that volume of sustainable fire more than makes up for the difference.

I bet Zelensky is wondering right now why he didnt just give the Biden corruption files to Trump, he wouldnt be in this mess if he had. He really had no reason to not give those files, unless someone blackmailed him not to.

JFC because they don't exist!!

can both sides of a conflict also be bad at the same time?

Yes! But only one of us is saying "i herd a nazi was in kyiv so that means putin should eat the country".

can both sides of a conflict also be bad at the same time?

Can be, but in this case, Russia is is unambiguously in the wrong here. And not helping Ukraine would allow Russia to beat the snot of Ukraine, and why would one want that? Why would anyone be okay with a fascist state like Russia invading it's weaker neighbor?

Takeda.shingen

Russia is is unambiguously in the wrong here.

the situation is not black and white. The US and NATO were pressuring Ukraine to join NATO. Of course Putin wasn't going to sit back and let Russia's enemies bolster their front right on its borders.

I don't agree with the war, but I can understand Putin's decision. There's plenty of blame to go around, and the US isn't blameless in this situation.

Why would anyone be okay with a fascist state like Russia invading it's weaker neighbor?

to use it as an excuse for NATO to force regime change in Russia.

as Biden said "from the heart" yesterday.

to use it as an excuse for NATO to force regime change in Russia.

as Biden said "from the heart" yesterday.

What?

You're saying that NATO somehow made Russia invade Ukraine, and then didn't muster their forces (because Ukraine isn't a member of NATO) to force regime change in Russia by... taking no military action?

Make it make sense.

to use it as an excuse for NATO to force regime change in Russia. 

So it’s West’s fault that Russia invaded another sovereign country?

So it’s West’s fault that Russia invaded another sovereign country?

For authoritarians, yes. They despise values like the rule of law, democracy, and freedom. That's why they continue to believe in the lie that Trump's re-election was stolen, and why they adore Putin and his regime, and think it should be allowed to run roughshod across a sovereign nation.

Express sister

This isn't about authoritarianism, democracy and freedom.

The ultimate question is, why in the world are we poking Russia? They know they are a weaker force and didn't want to start any conflict. The US understands that Russia is weaker than it, so they try everything to destroy Russia either militarily or economically. The US engages in proxy wars all over the world to convert Russian allies into enemies and surround them and isolate them from the world.

Video out today shows Ukrainians shooting Russian POWs in the kneecaps and watching them die of shock and bloodloss.

They have officially lost the moral high ground.