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A new space race? China adds urgency to U.S. return to moon

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By ELLEN KNICKMEYER

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There’s no rational reason for space exploration, not on the moon , not elsewhere. It’s all 100% burning otherwise better needed money for nothing else than a potential and not even measurable prestige advantage.

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You cannot find another stupidity like the ban of Chinese participation of International Space Station (ISS) by Frank Wolf. That just made China defiant to build her own space station and bringing the struggle to a higher level, to Mars and beyond!

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There’s no rational reason for space exploration, not on the moon 

humans cant rely on the earth forever, there will come a time the resources are all gone or there just isnt enough room

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There’s no rational reason for space exploration, not on the moon , not elsewhere. It’s all 100% burning otherwise better needed money for nothing else than a potential and not even measurable prestige advantage.

From the article:

Beyond the gains in technology, science and jobs that accompany space programs, Artemis promoters point to the potential of mining minerals and frozen water on the moon, or using the moon as a base to go prospecting on asteroids — the Trump administration in particular emphasized the mining prospects. There's potential in tourism and other commercial efforts.

And for space more broadly, Americans alone have tens of thousands of satellites overhead in what the Space Force says is a half-trillion dollar global space economy. Satellites guide GPS, process credit card purchases, help keep TV, radio and cell phone feeds going, and predict weather. They ensure the military and intelligence community's ability to keep track of perceived threats.

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There's no rational reason?

Science?

Exploration?

The Human Condition?

There are innumerable rational and irrational reasons to explore space with manned flights.

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Would rather have an American moon than a communist moon.

At least the Americans will go there in peace for all mankind.

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At least the Americans will go there in peace for all mankind.

I’m wondering when the first territorial claims will start… how many dashes will the Chinese line have?

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I celebrate any country making strides in the peaceful development of space technology. Our children, grandchildren, etc. will look back to Earth from the Moon and later Mars and thank those who made this achievement possible. 中國加油。

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how many dashes will the Chinese line have

No dashes required. 

Chang’e the Chinese moon goddess which Chinese communities across the world worship in the Mid Autumn festival will be sufficient for them to lay claim to the moon.

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UK should get involved and send Wallace and Gromit

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This is not an Olympic style competition to space or Mars.... But this is a duel. Do you think America will let other countries to launch any space vehicle if they have an overwhelming cutting edge in space? Of course NOT !

Actually it was Ronald Regan who kick started the space militarization of star war programme in 1980s.

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The U.S. is wary of China taking the lead in space exploration and commercial exploitation, and pioneering the technological and scientific advances that would put China ahead in power in space and in prestige down on Earth.

So how will the US responsd? The US will print up another few billions for the space program to hurt their own economy. China has the most number of STEM graduates. It is naturally geered towards science and technology. The US graduates a bunch of humanities majors that read summary of books and write papers. Some, according to my daughter, simply buy essays online, add a few touches then submit. And parents pay $50,000 plus a year tuition for four years for skills which their kids already possessed before entering college.

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A treaty signed by pretty much every country, including China, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, The USA and Soviet Union (Russia). Japan Today content is going from bad to worse.

"Key provisions of the Outer Space Treaty include prohibiting nuclear weapons in space; limiting the use of the Moon and all other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes; establishing that space shall be freely explored and used by all nations; and precluding any country from claiming sovereignty over outer space or any celestial body"

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"That should tell us something about our need to get off our duff."

Yup, get off that duff and spend tens of billions of US tax payer dollars because China just can't be doing something the US isn't!

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China has the most number of STEM graduates. It is naturally geered towards science and technology.

You are forgetting that US is the nation of immigrants. And it has the best universities for STEM grads, postgrads and PhDs.

China has the most number of STEM grads but check which country is at second place. And most talented STEM grads from the country at second place would love to migrate to the US given the opportunity.

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Kaerimashita

UK should get involved and send Wallace and Gromit

I am not available.

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Will there be bases on the moon, like in "Space 1999"?

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Make yourself available. It is worth it, both for the prestige as well as the cheese.

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America wants to get back the moon fast because China wants to create a moon base full of nukes pointed at America. Sorry Charlies. We are going to prevent that from happening. Heh, heh...

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Spoiler alert: China is not gonna make it. NASA will always get “ there “ first, faster and stronger, with the help of their buddies from JAXA, the ESA and the CSA.

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Its a free world, no?? Anyone with the resources/know how etc etc can do whatever it wants, in the guise of national security. Favorite justification used by some. All incumbents get the itch, when its faced with a new competitor, when its hegemony is at risk. They don't look at it as healthy competition, which can drive efforts/desires etc etc, and better for the world/mankind.

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China also has the worlds largest super collider and also the largest quantum computer

Nobody uses the Chinese collider or quantum computer - what's come out of them

It's the collective ideas of people around the world that makes the European and American colliders so useful, and it'll be the same with quantum computers. When masses of people are free to share ideas, that's when critical progress move forward

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It would be good if everyone going to space could cooperate with everyone else going to space.

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It would be good if everyone going to space could cooperate with everyone else going to space.

Would be nice if they could cooperate here on earth

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The fastest progress in space seems to come when there is competition. As long as it can remain peaceful and from time to time cooperative (to save lives in space) as needed.

Space is endless from the human perception and resources are also endless if you can get to them. More than enough of both for all of our species.

As long as we can contain hostile tendencies to our planet and not export them to space, then everyone can achieve their goals.

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The US Congress decided back in 2011 (Wolf Amendment) that cooperating with China in space was a no go. Of course working with Russia is perfectly OK for some reason.

It would be good if everyone going to space could cooperate with everyone else going to space.

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The US Congress decided back in 2011 (Wolf Amendment) that cooperating with China in space was a no go. Of course working with Russia is perfectly OK for some reason.

The difference is that the Russian space agency is a civilian agency, while the Chinese space agency is under the Chinese military command

NASA can only work with civilian space agencies

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what's come out of them

Apparently you have absolutely no idea.

Apparently you or nobody does neither. Let's see those scientific journals

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We won't get there with the Artemis. I have no confidence in the team which put it together.

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Will there be bases on the moon, like in "Space 1999"?

I'll re-read Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

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