Abbas insists on Jerusalem in settlement freeze

So long as the Pals insist on including any part of Jerusalem, there will never be peace in Palestine. Jerusalem is not now, and never will be on the table for negotiations. Might as well insist on the right of return, and that everything outside of Haifa be included as well. This, is a non starter. It show that once again the Pals are not serious about peace.

neither of them should control it. make it a u.n. administered free zone or something.

Jer usalem is the ho ly city of Ju daism, and it is not an oc cupied ter ritory. It was ann exed by Is rael after the 5-day wa r. Prior to that, Isra elis were forbidden by the Jord anian government to visit the wai ling wall.

If the PA truly wanted pea ce, they would not insist in putting the cap itol of their futu re sta te in Jer usalem.

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Palestinians claim east Jerusalem for their future capital. For decades, Israel has built Jewish sections around the city’s periphery, and about 200,000 Jews live there now. Palestinians consider the large neighborhoods as illegal settlements.

Another AP report that gives some legitimacy to this illegal occupation. It is not only the Palestinians that consider these "settlements" to be illegal; the entire world and the International Court of Justice say so.

A few years ago, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said: "The whole world is demanding that Israel withdraw [from occupied Palestinian territories]. I don't think the whole world ... can be wrong."

Another AP report that gives some legitimacy to this illegal occupation.

Both sides claim the territory. There is nothing wrong with reporting this.

fds at 12:43 PM JST - 22nd November neither of them should control it. make it a u.n. administered free zone or something.

I agree, although my plan is a little more ext reme and involves a for ced eva cuation and nuk ing the entire city of Jeru salem until it's a glowing pile of slag. No God worth worship ping would condone the amount of blood shed that has gone on over Jerusalem, historians looking back on that city would be forced to conclude that both entire religions were based around human sacrifice if you consider the number of people who have died to "liberate" Jeru salem at one point or another.

Nu ke it 'til it glows, it'll make it easier to spot raiding parties trying to cross the buffer zone.

(spacing trick taken from WilliB)

Both sides claim the territory. There is nothing wrong with reporting this.

There is something wrong if that is all they say. If I kick you out of your home and prevent you from returning; indeed someone might say that both sabiwabi and thetruthhurts claim the house. But a good reporter, or even a half decent one, would look into the matter and report that according to the law and the documents, the house belongs to thetruthhurts and that sabiwabi should vacate it immediately.

The Occupied Palestinian Territories belong to the Palestinians according to international law and entire world, but AP never mentions this, they only say that the Palestinians claim it.

sabiwabi,

Maybe don't want your version of history or your silly stories. Perhaps instead they actually want to read news about the present situation in the Middle East. Both sides presently claim the area. This is a fact. This fact was mentioned in the article. Sorry, if this does not sit well with your obvious seething rage.

BTW, even in the part of the article you quoted and are complaining about, the opinions of both sides is mentioned.

Maybe don't want your version of history or your silly stories....Sorry, if this does not sit well with your obvious seething rage.

Again, it is not just my musings that I am writing. Practically the entire world feels this way, and the International Court of Justice stated this very clearly, as did numerous UN resolutions.

Even UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said: "The whole world is demanding that Israel withdraw [from occupied Palestinian territories]. I don't think the whole world ... can be wrong."

So if anyone has a silly version of history, its not me, its you!

One more point for you to consider: the United Nations Ban Ki-moon has said that Jerusalem must be the capital of both Israel and Palistine. So, it seems the whole world is not exactly in the agreement you claim. This is also true of the UN. Anyway, it does not matter. These two sides will ignore all of this in favor of continuing to fight. No point is wasting too much energy over it until the stop and actuall talk.

I have not written any 'history'. So I have not idea what you are talking about. I could not care less about 'history'. This goes for your interesting version or any other. As I wrote above, the whole world is not in agreement about this. However, the present UN Secretary-General says quite clearly that Jerusalem must be the capital of both countries. Now, he just has to convince these two fighting sides.

sabiwabi:

" There is something wrong if that is all they say. If I kick you out of your home and prevent you from returning; "

That is what islamic nations have done to the Jews; now they want to take it one step further and deny the Jews to have a country where they are safe.

Your turnspeak is simply the opposite of reality.

thetruthhurts:

" One more point for you to consider: the United Nations Ban Ki-moon has said that Jerusalem must be the capital of both Israel and Palistine. "

And what does Ban know or care about the situation? Fact is that the Jerusalem sites are inseparable from Jewish identity. The muslim claim to Jerusalem is the ridiculous claim that it appeared to Mohammed in a dream. Of course this simply politics -- deny the Jews any identiy and location. How would you feel if Israel claimed Mecca as its capitol?

sabiwabi: Again, it is not just my musings that I am writing. Practically the entire world feels this way

That should show you the extent that the Arab propaganda blinds the world and people such as yourself. Keep buying into the Arab war profit machine.

If only the world really knew....

How would you feel if Israel claimed Mecca as its capitol?

Amused.

I don't think the whole world ... can be wrong."

Sure it can. The Whole world thinks Obama is a great leader. Turns out he is incompetent.

Said it before, and will say it again, so long as the Pals insist on including Jerusalem as part of their territory, they are demonstrating a lack of interest in ever achieving peace in the region. Jerusalem is not now, never was, and never will be on the table. Its not even a consideration. Insisting on it, gets you nothing. Your choice.

How about have the Russians take over East Jerusalem just like they did with Japan's Northern Territories? Then there won't be any more disputes between the Palestinians and the Israelis. In fact, the Palestinians and the Israelis will have a common enemy!

That should show you the extent that the Arab propaganda blinds the world and people such as yourself. Keep buying into the Arab war profit machine.

Are you saying the Arabs control the MSM and the MIC? Oh come on, at least make an effort to write something believable.

Anyway, the few remaining people who say that the Israelis have any right to east Jerusalem are either zionist agents or are blinded by the controlled MSM.

Anyway, the few remaining people who say that the Israelis have any right to east Jerusalem are either zionist agents or are blinded by the controlled MSM.

Either that, or they just haven't been sucked into the hate Israel propaganda machine. You know the one. Its where they try to convince you that murdering Jews is ok, after all, its really all their fault, they're Jews after all. Hey Sabi, out of curiosity, were you educated in Gaza? At one of those schools where they teach the kids all about hating Israelis, and how they're not really people? The tone of your posts really does make me wonder.

sabi: as did numerous UN resolutions.

Non-binding resolutions created by Muslim Arab nations who are incapable of producing anything other than UN resolutions against Israel.

sabi: Practically the entire world feels this way

I've read through the posts here, and if JT is an indicator of world opinion, then most don't feel this way.

I've read through the posts here, and if JT is an indicator of world opinion, then most don't feel this way.

Well, to be fair, most of Europe goes along with the Arab propaganda out of presumed guilt. Africa goes along with the Arab countries because of common interests in other areas. South America goes along with them because of their economic interests. Russia has long and strong ties to them, and China is an important trading partner. Only the US really has the will to stand up to the constant assaults against Israel by the Arab countries. And pretty much only in the US is the media actually biased a bit towards them. Just about everywhere else, its either slightly against, or strongly against. So what Sabi is saying there has some truth to it. Much of the world either is ambivalent, or would prefer if Israel didn't exist. Simply because they think, then there would be peace in the middle east.

Non-binding resolutions created by Muslim Arab nations who are incapable of producing anything other than UN resolutions against Israel.

Nope, I am referring to some UNSC resolutions as well as a yearly general assembly resolution signed by almost all nations, not just the Arab ones. The ones against these annual resolutions telling Israel to leave the Occupied Palestinian Territories are Israel, US, and a few tiny Pacific islands.

You see, Israel is clearly 100% in the wrong here, and there is no way anyone can possibly spin this into anything credible, although several (at least several user IDs) seem to give it a try on this forum.

if JT is an indicator of world opinion

It isn't. Those supporting Israel are a tiny minority in the world.

sabiwabi,

The UN resolutions suggested land for peace. Until there is a willingness on both sides, the resolutions are quite meaningless.

Are you saying the Arabs control the MSM and the MIC?

Please do not tell me you are going to add Israelis control the MSM and MIC to your already posted unique perspectives on the world. It certainly makes it harder to take you seriously. Don't you think you are going way overboard?

The UN resolutions suggested land for peace. Until there is a willingness on both sides,

All along, there has been one side that showed no willingness, the Israeli side. Everyone has agreed to peace with Israel if they return to the pre-1967 borders (the only land they are in any way entitled to). Israel has stubbornly held on to the Occupied Palestinian Territories has never stopped expanding. The solution is really so clear, unless you are blinded by the controlled media (no, not Israeli-controlled).

Everyone has agreed to peace with Israel if they return to the pre-1967 borders (the only land they are in any way entitled to).

Really? Hamas, and Hezbollah both agreed to this? When did this happen? Last I heard, both still were calling for the destruction of Israel.

Molenir: Well, to be fair, most of Europe...

I agree with you. There's no question that Muslims and Socialists, which make up a huge portion of the world's population, do not support Israel. And many countries who are dependent on Arab oil will not show support for Israel. However, the United States, India, Australia have traditionally been strong allies of Israel. It's not as if there is no support for Israel as sabi would have everyone believe.

Anyway, I simply found it amusing, if not ironic, that Sabi is pontificating how no one supports Israel when every post on this thread, other than his own, defends Israel.

sabi: Everyone has agreed to peace with Israel if they return to the pre-1967 borders

Why would Israel return the Golan Heights? The Muslim Arabs used to use this vantage point to fire down on Israeli women and child for target practice.

All along, there has been one side that showed no willingness

You obviously have strong feelings for one side of ths argument. However, both sides seem to have been not showing willingness at different times and this continues today. I don't believe there was any enemy of Israel agreeing to peace in 67. I also have trouble believing your controlled media claim as pretty much everything you write is allowed to be seen here.

Anyway, I simply found it amusing, if not ironic, that Sabi is pontificating how no one supports Israel when every post on this thread, other than his own, defends Israel.

Indeed, there are more user IDs on this thread in support of Israel. But that does not reflect world opinion. The fact is that members of the UN general assembly are overwhelmingly against Israel in this conflict, and it is not just the Arab countries.

I have begun to have questions as to the origin of your great dislike for Israel.

Any group that goes on to murder thousands of innocent civilians and ignoring international law and principles of common human decency for six decades deserves to be greatly disliked. Just look at the recent carnages in Lebanon and Gaza. Look at the conditions of the people in Gaza, still under a crippling blockade.

There is nothing strange about demanding that Israel returns to its pre-1967 border. Practically the entire world feels this way, and the International Court of Justice stated this very clearly, as did numerous UN resolutions.

Even UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said: "The whole world is demanding that Israel withdraw [from occupied Palestinian territories]. I don't think the whole world ... can be wrong."

Today, an informed world population widely accepts that the Earth is round just as they widely accept that Israel must get out of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. A few who get all their information from the controlled media seem to think otherwise.

Today, an informed world population widely accepts that the Earth is round just as they widely accept that Israel must get out of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. A few who get all their information from the controlled media seem to think otherwise.

Who are the few? Who does the controlling? Why oh why oh why oh why can't the conspiracy types every article about Israel brings from out the woodwork ever tell us who these shadowy bad actors are???????

It is amazing that you can come across statements like this on the internet, where a search of any hot button issue turns up dozens of points of view...

The world accepts land must be traded for peace. That is what the world accepts. This is what the UN resolutions call for. So far, these two sides do not fully accept this. Your comments on the controlled media do not change this fact and seem extremely close-minded at best.

sabi: an informed world population widely accepts that the Earth is round just as they widely accept...

The world population used to think the world was flat as well, so world opinion is irrelevant. All world opinion means is that more people have been duped by the "Palestinian" propaganda machine into believing the "Palestinian" lie than not.