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Afghan rulers urged to reverse ban on women aid workers

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To the Taliban women are no more than property to be owned. They have no love for their women and only seem to get concerned if other men talk to, see without being fully covered or touch them. Like a horse or a dog these poor women have no independence and few if any rights. Going to Afghanistan now must be like a trip through time to the stone age, where cavemen drive cars and carry automatic weapons and bash their women over the head.

The nation needs to be isolated completely from the modern world and only stone age items should be traded. Food, knives, and basic clothing. Unless they can make the rest themselves they can live as the seem to want to, in the way their ancestors did among rocks and caves and in mud huts with no electricity, only a camp fire.

Unbelievable that any nation would have dealings with the Taliban. That nation needs to become a ward of the UN and permanently occupied by UN troops from around the world until they can be educated on equal rights, and will actually conform to that. A few other nations could use some friendly persuasion as well like Saudi Arabia.

If we are not prepared to guarantee basic rights for all people everywhere, through the UN if need be, then we are all as bad as the worst of us for our inaction. Its all ok as long as I'm ok is no good enough if we wish to evolve.

Action is needed, not just meetings and discussions. People die every day as a result of inaction.

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To the Taliban women are no more than property to be owned. They have no love for their women and only seem to get concerned if other men talk to, see without being fully covered or touch them. 

There are small sects among Christians and Jews that are not all that much different in their treatment of women. Within my own life I can recall a time when a woman could not enter a Catholic church unless they were wearing a veil. An uncle was excommunicated for the heinous crime of marrying a Protestant.

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You will also find in the US there are conservative Catholics and Protestants who think women should not have the right to vote, serve on juries or run for political office. My father forbade my mother from working, forcing her to give up a good job with a major bank because of his religious beliefs. Those ways of thinking are more prevalent in the US than many think, and if that makes you uncomfortable it should. We have already heard one US Supreme Court justice claim the US Constitution does not give anyone a right to divorce or use contraceptives and some conservative politicians has discussed ways to ban contraceptives at least at a state level. Same for gay marriage and gay rights in general. Rights we take for granted in the US could be revoked if citizens are not vigilant.

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We are all same under the skin.

I'm sure some religious extremists purposely twisted the teaching of the founder.

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The four council nations that didn’t support the statement were Russia, China, Ghana and Mozambique.

All leaders in human rights, no doubt. NOT!

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You will also find in the US there are conservative Catholics and Protestants who think women should not have the right to vote, serve on juries or run for political office.

That might be true, but I've never heard anything like that in all my time forced to attend Catholic churches around the US.

My parents didn't accept any excuse for not attending church on holy days or every weekend except explosive ejections from the head or bottom. I can't imagine those beliefs being taught anywhere except very rural Churches. Even going to rural churches in small towns, I never heard anything like this, though the tone could be more fire and brimstone than we'd see in our normal city-fied churches.

I know nothing about Protestants or other fundamental religious groups.

With all that said, I'm a reformed Catholic (completely non-religious)m not to be confused with Catholics that aren't connected to the Pope. Found the truth of the world, the Bible, and every other religious book decades ago. While I didn't appreciate the Christian faith or Catholic church, I never saw any extreme views against women besides the 2 biggies.

a) Priests must be men.

b) Abortions after conception is killing.

I disagree on both. Never heard any anti-gay statements in Church either.

Feels a bit odd for me to be standing up for Catholics and the church. I just think they are confused about the truth, just like all religions.

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How could China and Russia be cool with women being nothing more than a baby maker or a sex toy?

One thing is being communist. But agreeing to Sharia law? What is wrong with them!?

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That might be true, but I've never heard anything like that in all my time forced to attend Catholic churches around the US.

Several conservative Christian sects teach that democracy is rebellion against god. In their view our leaders are chosen for us by god and electing someone else is rebellion against god.

https://trumpet-call.org/2019/05/09/democracy-is-against-god/

You can read the whole of the next link but this paragraph gives you a good idea where conservative Catholics, especially those in Opus Dei, are going with their thoughts, and actions, keeping in mind that at least six US Supreme Court Justices are sympathetic to Opus Dei.

4. DEMOCRACY and CAPITALISM

The philosophy of Liberalism has given birth to a political system: Democracy; and to an economic system: Capitalism. In both systems, freedom of action and expression is the mainstay, and both rest on the private judgment of persons, not on considerations flowing from divine revelation. It is not difficult to see, therefore, to what abuses these systems can lead: moral values are not considered. When they exist at all, it is merely as a legacy of Christian tradition, the complete disappearance of which is only a matter of time. Once moral values have totally disappeared, no limits will be set to the claims of man, nothing will restrain his craving for complete freedom: anarchy and bloodshed are the inevitable outcome. But, before we reach that final stage, laws are enacted which are increasingly permissive, since, according to the Liberalist creed, laws must reflect the will of the consensus. Thus, evils such as divorce, abortion, euthanasia and homosexuality are made lawful. As early as 100 years ago, many thinkers forecast what we are now witnessing. But their warnings were unheeded, if not held up to ridicule, and modern man continued on his democratic path toward chaos and anarchy.

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=5827

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Here is a further quote from that say catholicculture.org site that sums it up. The US Declaration of Independence states:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"

Now read the Catholic view on this subject. The utterly reject the very premise of our Declaration of Independence.

*"That the concept of popular sovereignty was spread by philosophers who had lost their Christian faith is an important point which should not be overlooked. God is the only true Sovereign of the Universe. As such, He is the only source of authority. And Christ, the Son of God, the King of Kings, was the only person empowered to delegate it. He delegated it to the Bishops. From the Bishops, authority flowed into the Kings through the coronation ceremonies and the anointing, then to the temporal rulers appointed by the Kings. Moses too, received authority directly from God and passed it onto lesser rulers who were designated by the people. But when the authority of God is rejected, and the Kingship of Christ no longer recognised, the source of authority has to be sought elsewhere. The 18th century philosophers placed it in man, and this new concept, i.e. popular sovereignty, is the basis of Modern Democracy. It is a concept wholly contrary to Christian doctrine:"*

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I disagree on both. Never heard any anti-gay statements in Church either.

Feels a bit odd for me to be standing up for Catholics and the church. I just think they are confused about the truth, just like all religions.

I grew up with the Latin mass and was an altar boy for a time, so my exposure to catholic teaching was maybe deeper than yours. I also read Bibles extensively, not just the Catholic Bible but several Protestant versions and asked the priests a lot of theological questions they had no good answer for. Example, isn't praying to saints or to Mary false idolatry? Where do your teachings about Purgatory and Limbo come from? How come passages in the Catholic Bible do not match those in the New Revised Version? Which one is right and why? So I became a skeptic at an early age and by age 15 had basically left the Church in disgust.

There are modern and conservative trends in the Catholic Church. I think most casual Catholics, those who went to public school and only go to church on major holidays are maybe not aware of the darker trends coursing through that church. I was never able to put words to what my gut was telling me until I read James Madison's "A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessmentes" and John Adams 1765 newspaper article "A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law". Those two writings put voice to my own thoughts. But wait, according to the article I linked they were written by men who had "lost their Christian faith". That was the day I realized I was most likely a Deist like Madison and Adams, and the others of the first six US Presidents.

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