Taliban blame U.S. for airport chaos

Hilarious if it wasnt so tragic. Incompetence at every level. Joe and his experts really outdoing themselves on this one

You can’t blame the people for being so terrified of the Taliban on the US. There is a lot of pieces to this jigsaw and the biggest is the Talibans brutality towards its own people. I seriously doubt a group of until recently cave dwelling angry men would have a clue about airport operations or crowd control. And they are busy going from door to door looking for anyone who worked with the infidel anyway.

As the bungled evacuations continued, Joe Biden described it as "one of the largest, most difficult airlifts in history"

Particularly with what seems to be less planning than your average kindergarten field trip.

Taliban blame U.S. for airport chaos

I never thought I'd be agreeing with the Taliban.

Warkarnasen, Afghanistan is the least of American worries,it obviously you do not know ,how less American caring what happened in Afghanistan,you have no basic knowledge of an American

Countries are refusing entry too Afghanistan army deserter,they have no choice to go back and fight or die, something they should of been motivated too do

Zichi,you have know knowledge of what you talking about,as long as the party support him,he will be able to complete his agendas

Taliban have themselves to blame. The chaos is caused by the fear they inspire among their own people. Nothing is in that country is ever clear, easy and organized.

Biden's unraveling Afghan misadventure is an early indication that the usual Deep State suspects in the Donkey Party, like their Elephant co-conspirators, have once again failed the smell test of competent governance that Americans are entitled to expect from their leaders.

This what you call tough love,the President of Afghanistan abandoned their country,tough love in America ,is something American give,as motivation Google Tough Love

US reamer ,as long as people get their children stimulus check,they will care less of what happened in Afghanistan Google Biden Afghanistan Tough Love

Japan better get it act together,or Joe will give them some of his tough love

Biden is even being laughed at and trolled by terrorists. So weak “leadership”.

Biden should take to Twitter to troll the Taliban. Mouthing off on Twitter is the key to attracting Trump voters.

Twitter? Does he even know what that is? At this point the best thing for him to do is just stay as far away from this has he can, the damage is done, unleash the military and let them take care and plan this and get our people out, with no restrictions or restraints at this point.

But no blame for the Afghan government... oh there is no Afghan government anymore? Maybe that's actually the problem. And that isn't Biden's fault. The Russian embassy in Kabul is still open, guarded by the Taliban.

The Afghanistan withdrawl plans were laid out during the Trump administration. The Taliban were already planning to take over as soon as US/coaltion forces left. The only mistake Biden as well as military and intelligence agencies made was in misjudging how far the Taliban had prepared and consequently did not anticipate such a fast advance.

The Taliban alone are to blame for the chaos in the country including the airport. The afghan people are afraid of Taliban rule. They are the ones stopping Afghan nationals from reaching the airport. They have threatened Aghans who worked for/with the coalition forces with death.

Already it's been reported that the U.S has frozen $9 billion USD in afghan central bank reserves, and the IMF has stated that the new Afghan government will NOT be able to borrow any funds.

Then everyone wonders why people are fleeing hunger and destruction not only by the Taliban but by all nations involved, Afghans can't move forward with their own MONEY FROZEN and the IMF refusing to lend.

Biden is so incompetent and clueless that he said China and Russia preferred that we remain in Afghanistan.

@OssanAmerica

100% Agree with you.

The Taliboo's have moved fast. And that's why you see what you see in Afghanistan. However, one has to note that Biden should have seen this coming as a possibility. He did not. Why?

I give credit where credit is due. However, I do not give Biden any credit at all on this.

I do not dislike Biden, however he needs to do a better job or move aside.

Who gives a flip what the taliban neanderthals think or say.

We're trying our best under very bad circumstances to keep our side of the deal and these knuckle draggers are getting in the flippin way and mucking things up.

This was completely forceable! All this chaos due to complete incompetence!!! Evacuations should have started just after the announcement of troop withdrawal was made! Relevant people should have been contacted and arrangements made for them and their families to be evacuated. By not doing so US is completely responsible for what is happening at the Airport. But I can see why it happened US was just going to depart by themselves, not a single thought about all those locals that worked for them and risked their lives for 20 years! But international community is watching so something had to be done and this is the result!!! UNBELIVABLE!!! BUT EXPECTED!!!

Taliban blame U.S. for airport chaos

Well they're not wrong.

Michael MachidaToday  09:27 am JST

@OssanAmerica

The Taliboo's have moved fast. And that's why you see what you see in Afghanistan. However, one has to note that Biden should have seen this coming as a possibility. He did not. Why?

Because Presidents do not go tour the country personally to make assessments. They rely on intelligence briefings from both agencies and the military. The "failure" here is not Biden's. It's the military and intelligence agencies in not having accurate information and failing to inform the POTUS. What's happening now in Afghanistan is no more Biden's fault as 911 was George Bush's fault.

Hey taliban, they're trying to flee you.

The taliban seems to be more in sync with the GOP than anyone else.

donald called them 'great people' in the train wreck of a rally yesterday.

If you listen to these murderous tyrants, then you are the problem!

The taliban seems to be more in sync with the GOP than anyone else.

They're both extremists, and both believe in ideology is more important than democracy or the rule of law. The difference is in their ideology.

Is it not the Taliban presence, the fact Taliban deliberately organized checkpoints, the barbaric/brutal harassment of Afghan civilians, women, girls, children responsible for the panic and terror?

The U.S.should take all the refugees.

They went into Afghanistan 20 years ago and now that the strategy has hit a dead end,it's time to pull out and abandon things,give asylum to only a select few and tell other countries to take in the rest and clean up the mess?

I know there are people who support the U.S on this forum whether the U.S.does good or bad but the whole world can clearly see that this is a complete mess and the U.S.gvt should take full responsibility.

The U.S.should take all the refugees.

That would require the US taking responsibility for its and its peoples' actions. This flies right in the face of American Exceptionalism, whereby they are exceptional and therefore they don't need to take responsibility for the people they murder overseas.

Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan. Nicaragua. The list goes on and on and on and on.

And never once have they taken any kind of responsibility. Nothing.

And never once have they taken any kind of responsibility. Nothing.

And even now, when ever American should be hanging their head in absolute shame of their nation's behavior, you have half of them saying "but it's their fault" pointing at the other half.

Some people lack the capacity for shame.

President Biden, could and should have taken political responsibility for the management failures associated with the so called planned withdrawal.

President Biden chose to defect the blame, to point the finger, to duck and dive.

When the poo hits the fan, you clear it up quickly, or you end up slipping, head first, into the mess you have created.

This needs to said and should have been said long ago to non-Americans who can't/don't see or understand the whole picture.

Get over yourself. There are many nations involved in this and I suspect that your nation also may be involved.

Yes, the US is the lead nation but don't kid yourself to think that other nations don't have any input. Sick of you other nations under the American umbrella playing the whiney victim card as if you don't have a say in worldwide matters which involve our western nations. You do. And you would know that if your media were more honest.

Unfortunately, and most unfortunately, this flippin quagmire was done out of spitefulness and a feeble attempt at vengeance by a decrepit old man and a certain childish voting block and it got all of us into trouble.

It is obvious and abundantly clear that this withdrawl didn't have to happen this this way, but most unfortunately it did for very bad reasons.

President Biden, could and should have taken political responsibility for the management failures associated with the so called planned withdrawal.

America should take political responsibility for their entire middle east debacle and failure. How many mass graves are they leaving behind?

But they're American, and that means Exceptional, and by the rule of American Exceptionalism, they get to blame "others" in their country dust off their hands and say "wasn't our fault".

Ironically, if they allowed the Taliban to control airport security, you wouldn't see many Afghans on their way to the airport.

However, even in relatively peaceful and even democratic countries, you would probably see something similar at the airport if Americans or even Canadians, French, or British were offering free flights to New York, Toronto, London, Paris.

And even now, when ever American should be hanging their head in absolute shame

I don’t. I’m happy we got Saddam and OBL as well as other high value targets for sure. The only thing I’m not happy with is how the US exited, but as far as meeting is main objectives, no regrets.

Some people lack the capacity for shame.

I am deeply ashamed at how this President didn’t have the sense to listen to his senior military advisors a lot of this could have been avoided.

I notice you didn’t dispute my assertion at all.

Yes it’s “not our fault” that such an incompetent person is currently the President. His poor decisions have cost people their lives.

The majority of the voters in the US and the UK support leaving Afghanistan. The problem is the way in the exit was conducted. You've still got many troops on the ground and many citizens have not been evacutated - the US should have organised the evacuation of allied country citizens as well (how are tiny countries like Finland sending troops to Afghanistan when even the US cannot keep control?). And the fallout in terms of terrorism and geopolitical tensions is going to be immense.

Of course it will add to the growing migration crisis that will erupt after the pandemic restrictions have been lifted.

So far the crowds at Kabul airport have been deadlier than the new Taliban government.

It's staggering to see how non-Americans simply cannot understand why this happened. A severe lack of cognition. Unbelievable.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

@OnTheTrail

Particularly with what seems to be less planning than your average kindergarten field trip.

I do not remember lot of kindergarten field trips, being transformed in the evacuation of the whole ward, with your playground as a center for departure and other entity potentially doing their own things when bunch of inhabitants of the other ward trying to be evacuated too. The whole thing without knowing if and when the reason you are evacuating will hit.

So I do not get how anybody can be expecting anything else than a mess as long as in the end everybody get out safely, so be it.

Also just to remember some people : the USA were at war with Afghanistan. They did not go there to distribute candies. It was not a peace bringer mission. War is not pretty rosy with everybody being happy there after. And the USA is not the center of the world you seems to think. People and countries were, are and will be able to lay war, make a mess, fixing issues, ... without it being involved.

It's staggering to see how non-Americans simply cannot understand why this happened.

We know exactly why it happened. America ran rampant on the world for the latter half of the 20th century. Some people took offense to that, and attacked America. America, instead of taking a moment of self reflection to determine why someone would want to do to them, what they have done to so many other countries, freaked out and did what they do - started wars in other parts of the world. And now 20 years later we're seeing America once again forced to deal with its failures, yet refusing to accept an ounce of responsibility for them, and instead blaming "other Americans".

We know exactly why it happened.

Yes, the Brits always know.

America ran rampant on the world for the latter half of the 20th century.

My God, if you want to go there then we can say it was the Brits and French were at fault for colonizing and dividing up the ME. Create many of these tribes, fostered division for centuries. Had they not done that a lot of this would have never happened.

Some people took offense to that, and attacked America. America, instead of taking a moment of self reflection to determine why someone would want to do to them, what they have done to so many other countries, freaked out and did what they do - started wars in other parts of the world. And now 20 years later we're seeing America once again forced to deal with its failures, yet refusing to accept an ounce of responsibility for them, and instead blaming "other Americans".

Well, no one is saying America is perfect, but given the fact we have done more to help other nations and are doing it right now. How many hundreds and thousands of Brits and French will take in these Afghanis? Where is their so-called humanitarian side? We are not seeing it. Tony Blair gets on his high horse and rightfully criticizes Biden and how he botched this, but let’s not forget Blair is also part of the problem in this mess. There’s a lot of blame going around. I’m ticked off at the Brits for a lot of things as well as the French, but bashing an entire nation is not helping. Not at all. You want to blame someone blame the leaders and a lot of them deserve the blame and not only in the US.

Whenever the Taliban hear something they can't defend against or they don't want to hear, they just say, "It's the other person's fault!", "They're the ones doing it!", or, "It's a bunch of fake news!" Sound familiar?

Russia wants a pipeline. China wants rich minerals. Both want America out so they can move on their agendas. They don't care who is in charge. They don't have any political ambitions.

Yes, the humiliating US evacuation is leaving behind a vacuum of political influence for close neighbor, Russia, to fill, a golden chance for the smirkin', mischief-makin' gremlin in the Kremlin to try to stem his waning popularity in the polls by playing a deft hand of statesmanship and refurbishing Russia's Afghan cred. Putin has a wall of Russianized -stans to insulate him from any threat from the south and possesses a powerful ace in the hole: the option of using the formidable Panjshir Valley folk who form the tip of the southern spear to prod the tenderest flank of the Taliban should they refuse to play nice and cooperate with Russian Realpolitik. And the Chinese had better proceed carefully lest their ugly Uighur problem upset their make-nice-with-Muslims apple-cart.

Well, no one is saying America is perfect, but given the fact we have done more to help other nations and are doing it right now.

Ok. Someone needs to tell that to the people whose family members and friends were murdered by American in Afghanistan. I'm sure they'll be ok with your invasion knowing the above. It's just that no one has told them yet.

Biden should take to Twitter to troll the Taliban. Mouthing off on Twitter is the key to attracting Trump voters.

I think you miss Trump more than anyone else on here.

Tony Blair gets on his high horse and rightfully criticizes Biden and how he botched this, but let’s not forget Blair is also part of the problem in this mess. 

Yes, he involved the UK in the disastrous Afghanistan and Iraq invasions where British soldiers died. He was in league with Bush 2, who you and your unnamed non-partisan historians regard as a successful president.

This needs to said and should have been said long ago to non-Americans who can't/don't see or understand the whole picture.

Living in the bubble you do, you are probably not aware that this involves countries outside the US. This involves the UK for one. The extensive media coverage, the maimed and dead British soldiers, British money wasted and refugees needing accommodation in the UK tells us this.

Try reading around a bit more.

"They were showing us their passports and shouting 'take us with you... please take us with you'," the journalist told AFP. "The Taliban fighter in the truck ahead of us had to shoot in the air to make them go away."

The Taliban are ASSISTING in the evacuation??? And helping to get people to the airport? Curiouser and curiouser...Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. And I suppose that the old slur "As organized as a Chinese fire drill" will have to be updated to "As organized as an American evacuation". And, of course, thousands of soldiers are more useful than more than two interviewers might be...ah, the smoke tickles as it goes up...

I very much doubt President Biden will tolerate lectures from Tony Blair.

Tony Blair foreign policy when in government on the Middle East contributed to where we all are today.

Tony Blair unrepentant as Chilcot gives crushing Iraq war verdict

*https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/chilcot-report-crushing-verdict-tony-blair-iraq-war

Tony Blair, lied, and misled Parliament.

One has to only look at devastating consequences and loss of life in Iraq

There seems to be a general comment along the lines of "Biden botched the evacuations because these were not started earlier." Were such evacuations possible??? Let's back up a few months.

a) the US troop withdrawal timing was already public.

b) a few months ago, seems unlikely that the US would publicly state that "the Afghan govt will soon fall, so plan on getting out soon" to US citizens and Afghan allies. Without clearly saying "the Afghan govt will soon fall, Taliban will be here soon", seems like the # of persons responding to any officially-organized evacuations would be few...

c) of course, US citizens and Afghan allies could have made their own judgements about the Afghan govt and possible Taliban take-over timing, and get out on their own.

Seems like all concerned were caught off guard by the speed of Taliban take-over.

Yes, he involved the UK in the disastrous Afghanistan and Iraq invasions where British soldiers died. He was in league with Bush 2,

Agree

who you and your unnamed non-partisan historians regard as a successful president.

Which has nothing to do with anything.

It's staggering to see how non-Americans simply cannot understand why this happened. A severe lack of cognition. Unbelievable.

I think your hysterical partisanship is showing yet again.

It’s staggering to read how narrow in focus your posts are.

I think the cowardly Afghan military who's motto appears to be "run away" must shoulder most of the blame for the chaos

Partly. Biden has to take some of the blame. Trump has to take some. Obama, Bush 2, Blair…

It’s the hysterical partisans who are unhelpful. I remember when Trump was being attacked for piling on debt and the blame for that was apparently lay with Obama for not investing in key areas. Obama was attacked for his spending, and the blame for that was put on Bush 2 for driving the economy off a cliff. The blame for that crash lay with Clinton…and so on.

I hope our partisans bear this in mind.

Tony Blair gets on his high horse and rightfully criticizes Biden and how he botched this, but let’s not forget Blair is also part of the problem in this mess. 

I'm waiting for the MSM to replay unindicted war criminal Blair's vow made years ago to the effect that " WE won't let you (the Afghan people) down A SECOND TIME".

Taliban blame U.S. for airport chaos

Well, of course. The bumbling BIden admin created this.

I am really curious if our notorious Trump haters are looking forward to 4 more years of this string rolling disasters? No buyers remorse yet?

JImizo

Partly. Biden has to take some of the blame. Trump has to take some. Obama, Bush 2, Blair…

Some of the blame for WHAT? Being stuck in Afghanistan in the first place? A whole string of governments are to blame, starting the Reagan, who made the completely irresponsible decision to send modern weaponry to the Mujaheddin.

But the current catastrophic bungling of the withdrawal is 100% the fault of Biden (or rather the handlers of this poor guy to be fair).

What's happening now in Afghanistan is no more Biden's fault as 911 was George Bush's fault.

That's an awful comparison. Bush was not directing America in the attack, or any action related to it. Biden was giving directions to US troops and personnel to leave.

Completely incomparable.

America ran rampant on the world for the latter half of the 20th century.

My God, if you want to go there then we can say it was the Brits and French were at fault for colonizing and dividing up the ME. 

All of these are true.

Biden thoroughly screwed this up. Trump's "solution" would have likely been the same (given that he had already forced Kabul to free 5,000 imprisoned Taliban fighters) but that doesn't get Biden off the hook for making one poor decision after another.

Instead of a symbolic date for withdrawal, conditions (such as the strength of the Afghanistan military, the integrity of civil society, etc.) should have been set, which, when met, would have triggered withdrawal.

I think meeting these conditions would have been impossible in Biden's first 7-8 months. And that's largely indicative of the failure of US foreign policy over the last two decades.

If you're going to nation build, you have to remember to actually build the nation. Not send cash to your buddies in the private military sector, and then when you get no results just throw your hands up and say "welp".

Living in the bubble you do, you are probably not aware that this involves countries outside the US. This involves the UK for one. The extensive media coverage, the maimed and dead British soldiers, British money wasted and refugees needing accommodation in the UK tells us this.

And Canada, and Australia. Their media and news coverage have been full of horror, and questioning why they went into Afghanistan in the first place. These countries are having a moment of self-reflection. I wouldn't expect you'll find them following American into it's unilateral invasions of third party nations in the future, now that they've seen how they treat their allies in Afghanistan and Syria just last year.

The reason these countries are looking at themselves is because they aren't covered under the rules of American Exceptionalism where they get to run rampant on the world, murder whomever they want, and never take any responsibility for it, instead blaming "other Americans". Or even blaming the people whose nations they ran rampant upon and destroyed:

I think the cowardly Afghan military who's motto appears to be "run away" must shoulder most of the blame for the chaos

Yeah, the "cowardly Afghan military" is responsible for American aggression. Got it. Are they also responsible for Vietnam? For Iraq? For Nicaragua? I'd imagine you think they are - Americans always want to blame anyone and everyone else except them selves. Cause they're American and they're Exceptional.

I am really curious if our notorious Trump haters are looking forward to 4 more years of this string rolling disasters?

Can the alternative media predict disasters now?

Fascinating.

Give us a link to the podcast. I’ve got to see this.

That's an awful comparison. Bush was not directing America in the attack, or any action related to it. Biden was giving directions to US troops and personnel to leave.

Both of them were delivered situations they had no control over, had to deal with, and had no way to do so that would be doing the right thing, without making the American public angry.

Seems pretty equivalent.

Bush was not directing America in the attack [of 9/11]

Correct. He was entirely absent. Bad leader, bad President.

Let's not forget that all of this is down to Bush and his decision to invade Afghanistan on the basis that the Saudi attackers were trained by a Saudi prince who was in Pakistan.

I am really curious if our notorious Trump haters are looking forward to 4 more years of this string rolling disasters?

Pretty much. Remember, Obama also said that Afghanistan was the right war our soldiers should be fighting in.

Express sister

Let's not forget that all of this is down to Bush and his decision to invade Afghanistan on the basis that the Saudi attackers were trained by a Saudi prince who was in Pakistan

The decision to invade Afghanistan was wrong, but the fact that the Talibans were running at the time together with OBL and his gang was created by the misguided policies of previous administrations.

You are just picking one arbitrary point in a string of policy mistakes to place partisan blame.

You are just picking one arbitrary point in a string of policy mistakes to place partisan blame.

Partisanship aside, Bush 2 did order the invasion. This was the key disastrous decision.

It’s worth pointing out he was backed up in this decision by a hell of a lot of democrats.

Partisanship aside, Bush 2 did order the invasion. This was the key disastrous decision.

It’s worth pointing out he was backed up in this decision by a hell of a lot of democrats.

Yep.