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Arizona had the cojones to do what other states should do. They wouldn't have to if the Federal Government enforced it's own immigration laws. What alternatives are we hearing from all these groups and individuals who are so against this Arizona Law?

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Boycotts, from illegal aliens, are welcome news to many. With an average of 15000 legal people a month moving to Arizona, the loss of 15000 illegals a month wont really matter as they mostly contribute to the underground economy anyway.

There's a new Sheriff in town!!

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I wonder if legal tourism will go up while the illegal "tourism" and crime will go down?

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There is already a federal law to does what Arizona has added to its books. Each police force or local elected officials choose to ignore it or not. Visitors to the USA are already required to provide proof of their right to be in the state today on demand. When I travel overseas, I'm also required to carry my passport + visa with me in most countries.

Nothing will change until the companies providing work are heavily fined for each instance of illegal workers. Perhaps US$50K for each violation or 3x the salary for highly paid illegal workers.

Just to be clear, I love legal immigrants. People who play by the rules are welcome.

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As someone who grew up in Arizona I have to say I'm a little embarassed by this new law. It's not going to do a damn thing to stem the tide of illegal immigrants. Now those in the country legally will be subject to random stops and checks by the police. Looking Mexican is now probable cause for "papers please" checks by the police. I have friends who are police officers in Phoenix and THEY are against the law because THEY know it will create racial profiling and harassment.

Let me compare Arizona's new law to something foreigners here in Japan can understand a little better. Japanese police can and do frequently stop foreigners for "gaijin card checks", hoping to catch you without it so they can lock you up, fine you tens of thousands of yen, and chalk up another terrible foreign crime statistic (and that's just for not having it ON YOU AT THE TIME!) Racist right? I think so! But after living here for 15 years I know that just being a foreigner can make you suspect to a bored cop with nothing better to do.

At least I know my Phoenix police officer friends have good judgement and professionalism! Hopefully they can come up with better ways to make immigration laws work without resorting to these Nazi Gestapo-like tactics!

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Polls show that about 70% of Americans support this law. At least 7 other state legislatures are considering passing similar legislation. Cries for a boycott and reports of massive outrage over this law are completely false. Once again, the mass media is trying to portray a disgruntled minority as the majority.

In truth, the real racists are the illegal immigrant advocates, because they want special treatment for Mexicans over all other immigrant groups. They want the Mexicans to be allowed to jump the citizenship line with "amnesty" while the Chinese, Poles, Iraqis, Nigerians, etc. have to follow the rules.

The best part about this Arizona law is that it is going to drive most of the illegals to California, where the citizens seem content to pay for their health care, their schooling, their violence, their public assistance, etc.

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Heh, I wonder, if it gets out that companies and municipalities are refusing to do business with Arizona, exactly what that will do to their bottom line. I know I for one wouldn't ever buy a product from a company that supported illegal immigration. So the first company that agrees to this boycott, is themselves going to be boycotted. To put it another way, theres going to be a movement, to boycott the boycotters. And with the majority of Americans in favor of curbs on illegals, that boycott is going to be much, much more effective then the one the illegals are pushing.

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As someone who grew up in Arizona I have to say I'm a little embarassed by this new law. It's not going to do a damn thing to stem the tide of illegal immigrants. Now those in the country legally will be subject to random stops and checks by the police. Looking Mexican is now probable cause for "papers please" checks by the police. I have friends who are police officers in Phoenix and THEY are against the law because THEY know it will create racial profiling and harassment.

I live in Phoenix, and know a half dozen cops. Every single one of them is in favor of it. In fact, I was talking to one of them today as I was leaving work. He was telling me that most of the guys he knows are in favor of it as well. It is going to have an effect. Its going to drive illegals from the state. Since that is essentially the goal of the law, its going to be effective.

Honestly though, based on your comment, I really doubt you know anything about this law. You say several things that are directly and explicitly contradicted by the law itself. It will not lead to racial profiling. People aren't going to be pulled over simply because they're hispanic. Saying this, completely undercuts your argument. As for having a right to be in the country, a simple drivers license is proof of citizenship. A green card, likewise proof you are in the country legally. If however you're illegal, then you should be detained, and kicked out of the country. And thats the point. You won't be thrown out of the country unless you should be.

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If you are in the USA legally, then you have rights and if your not, get out! If you oppose showing an id then try not showing your drivers license the next time the cops stop for speeding and see where it gets you. My Latino friends who are US born have no problem with this law and say it is only the trouble making illegals who are protesting and they should leave and stop making it bad for the rest of them.

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first of all, the boycotts will have a negative effect on those they are supposedly supporting: illegal immigrant businesses who make money setting up stalls outside games and conventions.

Second, as hawkeye above states, he can add another latino to his US born latinos who are in support of this bill, me. Now, I am not happy about this bill, but had the fed done its job years back, perhaps hundreds of latinos who legally moved to the US would be alive today, hundreds would not have been kidnapped, and there would be a lot less drug addicts.

No, I don't think this bill is as racist as many are making it out to be. There is a latino group, made up of mostly victims of illegal immigrant crime, trying to put together a grass roots org showing support.

Mind you, no one's happy about this, but again, if the fed did what it was supposed to do, we wouldn't be talking about this. So, I ask those in office, quit looking for votes and only votes for the moment and do something right for once and that goes for both parties.

Here's a good shot marco Rubio, who shares my roots and a man of good integrity . http://video.foxnews.com/v/4174218/rubio-taking-issue-with-republicans

Now, for those of you who are so against this bill, you can add a bit of victory: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/pinal-co-deputy-shot-4-30-2010

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“I think it’s misguided to bring the tourism industry into the crosshairs of this political issue.”

Why? You voted for said governor, no? You pay the price.

I hope any and all conventions are pulled from Arizona, and that all Arizona products are shunned, and their companies sent packing. If they are going to start racial profiling, there should likewise be profiling of the state. Turn it back on them and ignore the hypocritical cries of, "B-b-b-b-but it's not fair!"

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The illegal defenders are trying to twist this law into something that it's not. People will not be stopped for looking Mexican, but, only asked to verify their identity if, and only if, they are stopped, or ticketed, or questioned, by the police in relation to a crime or violation. Americans support this law. Troublemakers from other country's do not.

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Why? You voted for said governor, no? You pay the price.

Umm, little problem with this smith. Brewer has never been elected Governor. She is running for Gov, but if elected, it will be her first term as Governor. She was the Secretary of State when Napolitano left, so she got bumped up. Only a few die hard libs, and the illegals are missing Napolitano though.

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“I think it’s misguided to bring the tourism industry into the crosshairs of this political issue.”

You know, the boycott itself could wind up hurting the undocumented workers worse than the bill. If caught being illegal, Arizona will not deport them nor will they jail them. They will be reported to the fed, who will fine them and basically let them back in. Very few deportations are going to come out of this but the boycotts will cost them a lot of money in losses.

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“A boycott is not only the least effective but the most discriminatory and harmful method to utilize when there are other methods in our democratic process that are readily available,” he said.

Yep. Kind of ironic how some people support blanket punishment on the entire state as a way to fight what they see as racism...heh.

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Well according to this new law is that no law enforcement can stop or integrate anyone without probable cause? What constitutes probable cause then? If I happen to look Hispanic or whatever else law enforcement deems necessary then I am suspect? You don't have to be Hispanic for this to happen. I can't tell you how many times I have been with friends that get complements on how good their English is lol. What an insult as they were born here!!

People have told me I look native American but I am just dark complected. You can't just go around accusing people of being illegals as on what grounds? In America's case then that pretty much makes everyone a suspect then doesn't it. It is arrogant to think Hispanics are the only illegal aliens within it's borders. Maybe they represent the largest demographic but by no means the only one. All this law is going to do is make an already bios law worse and turn Arizona into a police state! It sets a dangerous president and next time maybe we will be the ones on the receiving end.

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Civil rights leaders are urging organizations to cancel their conventions in Arizona. Baseball’s Arizona Diamondbacks are encountering protesters on the road.

How ironic to target and punish the very same industry that hires illegal aliens in AZ.

Arizona is facing a backlash over its new law cracking on illegal immigrants, with opponents pushing for a tourism boycott like the one that was used to punish the state 20 years ago over its refusal to honor the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr with a holiday.

20 years ago the US don't have a black President and there was no Hispanic judge in the Supreme Court.

How sure are they, the professional activists, that all ethnic groups are against the AZ enforcement law?!

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Illegals that are caught by Police without a drivers license --> drive away. The laws are so messed up that the Police don't even want to arrest an illegal.

If an illegal gets in a car accident and you are a citizen --> you will always lose $$$ and the illegal most likely will not get repatriated.

Citizens (including Hispanics) are tired of the Federal Gov looking the other way on this and want the Federal Gov to stop encouraging this negative behavior. Since the Federal Gov has refused to act in any way -the states feel they must take back some of the powers the have allotted to the Fed. Which they have a right to do.

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Profiling? What? Profiling that illegals are hispanics? Well lets see. Statistics of immigrants in that area must be that immigrants there tend to be hispanics so well I guess it's natural that hispanics would be asked to prove their status. The legals or home born ones will have no problems. The illegals can suck it up and go back home. Good for Arizona. The libs trying to make this a 'profiling' case are spouting hot air as usual.

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I was required to show my Alien Registration card numerous times until the police got used to me. Didn't hurt on bit, took only a second. Now the police just wave when the see me. Of course I am in Japan legally....

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LOL, even McCain supports Arizona's new immigration law.

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By far the largest illegal immigrant racial group in Arizona is made up of Latinos so why not racially profile that group? What is so wrong with racial profiling given a situation that warrant it? As for boycotting businesses that just happen to be in Arizona as a means of blackmailing the state governor is that the way that democracies work? What’s next kidnapping? I have been a (legal) foreigner in one country or another most of my life and when asked to prove that I am entitled to be in the country I have provided whatever paperwork was required, that is what we do and I have no problem with that. Sorry if it sounds heartless but I have no sympathy at all with any illegal immigrant anywhere. They put themselves in that place. Why should the indigenous and legal immigrant population have to pay a social price for people who gave no thought for anybody but themselves?

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It's not going to do a damn thing to stem the tide of illegal immigrants.

Are you sure? Arizona's other immigration laws and crack downs have, they caused 100k illegal immigrants to leave, already on the news more illegal immigrants have said they are planning on leaving the state because of these laws.

If they are going to start racial profiling, there should likewise be profiling of the state.

But who says they are going to? Your making an assumption about how this law is going to be enforced.

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ReikiZen - Well according to this new law is that no law enforcement can stop or integrate anyone without probable cause? What constitutes probable cause then? If I happen to look Hispanic or whatever else law enforcement deems necessary then I am suspect?

Heres the way this works. You are driving, and you break the law, whether by speeding, by weaving all over the road etc. A cop sees and pulls you over. They ask for your ID. (Pretty standard so far). If you have ID, as in a drivers license, it is automatic proof you're a citizen, or have legal residency. If you don't have ID, they ask for your social security number, or one of several other forms of ID. If they cannot Identify you, this counts as reasonable suspicion that you are in fact an illegal. They will detain you until they know one way or another. Thats the law. If you are an illegal, you'll be charged with something like illegal trespass, serve 30 days or so, and get deported. If you're not, you'll be released, with a strong suggestion that in the future you carry your ID. You will of course be charged for the violation you committed, though in most cases it will be merely a ticket. Its got nothing to do with your skin color. And everything to do with proof of citizenship. You're here legally, you won't have a problem. You're here illegally, don't break the law.

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ReikiZen - Well according to this new law is that no law enforcement can stop or integrate anyone without probable cause? What constitutes probable cause then? If I happen to look Hispanic or whatever else law enforcement deems necessary then I am suspect?

ReikiZen, since everyone against this law says its unconstitutional, let's let at that document. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution guarentees the right from unlawful search and seizure. In other words, for those who think the police can stop someone just because they look Hispanic, they can't. If they did, it would violate the 4th Amendment, and I am sure the police would get sued. But if the police stops someone in the comission of an unlawful act, then they can ask the status if the person is unable to provide any legitmate documentation. The same documentation that one carries to pick up a package at the post office, cash a check, or use a credit card. It is not as if they are requiring yo to carry your birth certificate with you at all times.

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if you can't prove your status then it DOES mean that you carry your birth certificate / passport. Papers please. Then they can be harassed like foreigners in Japan without recourse.

The issue is the border but the issue is also employers who look the other way and hire illegals. If a stronger attempt were made to take employers and jail them for hiring illegals then that would do more than this rather vain legislation which must be quashed as a challenge to the 4th amendment.

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The issue is the border but the issue is also employers who look the other way and hire illegals. If a stronger attempt were made to take employers and jail them for hiring illegals then that would do more than this rather vain legislation which must be quashed as a challenge to the 4th amendment.

Really? Based on earlier posts, I though the issue was racism. Guess everyones changing their tune.

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the issue is racism, and rights but also why this fails. The issue didn't change, even if you say so

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The issue is the border but the issue is also employers who look the other way and hire illegals.

the issue is racism, and rights but also why this fails. The issue didn't change, even if you say so

Its not me saying so, its you who apparently can't make up your mind. Which is it, racism, or the border?

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When police go looking for Klansmen and white supremists, they don't go into Black neighborhoods. If they are looking for he "wise guys" and other mafioso, they don't look into Chinatown unless they aer looking for thmembers of the Tong.

sad to say, but the majority of illegals are Mexican or Hispanic,and by logic those would be the types that aer probably going to be asked for their satus, while they aer being held for other illegal offenses. I didn't see the government of Poland or Nigeria issue a statement of warning to it's citizens who are in Arizona illegally, only the government of Mexico did. So that should tell you something.

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SF2K commented:

The issue is the border but the issue is also employers who look the other way and hire illegals. If a stronger attempt were made to take employers and jail them for hiring illegals then that would do more than this rather vain legislation which must be quashed as a challenge to the 4th amendment.

The new AZ law won't change and challenge the necessities of the Fourth Amendment. AZ Police will just have to be as tight as an oyster shell when it comes to their involvement with the bill. And if you have a natural cynicism of police in general you just have to suck it up.

The fourth amendment it seems safeguard people (including illegal immigrants) from devious prosecution whereas the evidence was obtained through illegal means (tainted), including 'illegal' police searches and seizures. The provisions of Mapp V Ohio, which is much more relevant to the new AZ enforcement law, further guarantees this protection.

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Its not me saying so, its you who apparently can't make up your mind. Which is it, racism, or the border?

People appears to be altering their own thoughts when it comes to this issue for the sake of other readers. No one's going to vilify you for what you actually think. And even if other folks do, they won't be commenting on JT anymore.

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Feel-good "multiculturalism" and political correctness proved to be a lethally stupid combination for a young "activist" brainwashed to believe that Mexicans have been "discriminated" against by recent Arizona legislation:

From nearby Texas: "A local high school student has been found murdered in Mexico, after her mother told police she went down there to learn how to transport illegal immigrants across the border.

"On Tuesday night, friends and family gathered at the teen’s Sugar Land home. Cars lined the driveway, people spilled outside.

"And at Kempner High School, the loss of one the school’s brightest students has been tough enough.

“You know, you want to see everybody happy,” said student Shaina Ituah. “We don’t want violence. We don’t want sad faces.”

source http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/

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Feel-good "multiculturalism" and political correctness proved to be a lethally stupid combination for a young "activist" brainwashed to believe that Mexicans have been "discriminated" against by recent Arizona legislation

Blindness does and being plain duck. And of course big $$$ bamboozles all. Should I be more explicit on these?!

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