After Russia-Ukraine plan, Musk offers proposal to resolve China-Taiwan tensions

What a attention seeker.

Shouldn't the best set of hair plugs on the planet focus on getting his twitter bung-up sorted out first?

That seems like more than enough responsibility for him.

Musk offers proposal to resolve China-Taiwan tensions

Muskseems to be following in the footsteps of other US businessmen like Henry Ford, who at one point was supportive of Hitler. Musk and business people like Ford see the world from a my wealth first perspective, and seem unable to recognize that people like many Ukrainians and Taiwanese have a sense of loyalty to their private home, their land, homeland and culture and do not want to be consumed by a brutal nation that once had brutalized them. Most gigantic global corporations prefer dictatorships because they are more easily bought off and are better able to control their populations, keep their jackboots on the throats of them, thereby making it easier for the businesses.

That Musk has been a creative businessman, and is well educated is beyond question, but I do not want to see him and other mega-corporations, and billionaires regardless which political party or nation they support, continue to dominate US and global affairs. In. Musk's favor, he is involved in some efforts to try to lessen the stranglehold fossil industries have on the planet. Though at the same time his businesses are continuing to further pollute the earth, and some of his US employees have less than positive things to say about his management style. Doubtful many of his employees in China would criticize him. which is probably one of the reasons Musk and some other US businesses stay in China, after all sheepled people make it easier for the ruling caste to remain in control.

Oh, JEEZE, Musk, won't you please confine yourself to your area of expertise?

No: Give Beijing an inch and they'll take a mile. What Musk suggests would necessarily mean the end to one of the most vibrant democracies in Asia - indeed, in the world.

After Ukraine plan, Musk offers proposal to resolve Taiwan tensions:

He may be the richest, but that does not mean he is a know-all.

Earlier, he proposed new referenda be held under UN auspices & Ukraine to go neutral.

Who cares?

Now he asks Taiwan to hand over some control to Beijing..

Overtly & overly presumptuous. Who bothers..?

Musk is a total disgrace.

Of course he favours China being "given" part of Taiwan - he shamelessly does big business with them and builds a huge amount of his cars in Communist China. Appeasing China is what he is about.

Musk is all about one thing only : enriching himself.

can't believe his mind is so twisted

“(Musk) suggested that tensions between China and Taiwan could be resolved by handing over some control of Taiwan to Beijing.’

Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. China’s own recent record of lies and broken promises verifies this.

Musk is a genius, right?!

What an absolute idiot. In both cases it is appease the stronger nation and sacrifice from the smaller nation. Give away land, give away freedom, sovereignty and control to the big aggressors. Total tool when it comes to politics. He might be able to make money but as a politician he would be a total disgrace.

He needs to keep his nose out of things he clearly does not understand. Or he will make himself look like an even bigger fool than he has already shown himself to be.

Musk is a genius, right?!

If you accept the theory that humans have multiple intelligences, in some intelligence categories Musk might be at the high level, but in others, for example interpersonal and intrapersonal intelligences, he probably would be pretty far down. I am not ready to accept the ideas of someone who's been shown to have so many issues dealing with people. The world has too many leaders who are so far up themselves that they cannot recognize that other people even exist and that others should have the rights and freedoms to decide what is best for themselves. Hopefully Musk will continue running businesses and not have much of a role in local, US regional or global politics. For someone who claims to be libertarian, Musk sure seems to be getting a lot of help from governments at all levels.

Musk, the world's richest person, told the Financial Times in an interview published on Friday. Musk made the remarks when asked by the newspaper about China, where his Tesla electric car company operates a large factory in Shanghai.

In Iain M. Banks Culture series, which Musk says is his Bible, ASI "MInds" resolve conflict through a variety of hyper-intelligent manipulations.

Musk's proposal on Taiwan does not seem to come from a artificial super intelligent mind at Tesla.

Maybe a joint economic zone like what was proposed to help with relations between NK and SK?

Musk now occupies a seat in the John Cena CCP-lovers club.

The problem of course is that China with Taiwan is for more competitive globally than China without, for the US, kind of arbitary though and China and Russia combined are the really major competitor and Taiwan neither here nor there beyond that. The majority of Chinese living in Taiwan do want to rejoin China because togethor they can be number one and it opens up many opportunities for them.

Japan needs to focus on doing better, rather than trying to get others to do worse. Clearly Japan needs to partner much more closely with Australia to compete agains the China Russia bloc (manufacturing and resources). Planning for the next century rather than being stuck in the last one.

Taiwan holds little worth for Japan, a direct economic competitor. Japan needs to focus on solutions for the future, the changes in global geopolitics and creating assured long term sources of essential supply and major development opportunities to pave a way out into the future. A far more extensive partnership with Australia should be a far greater focus, than what ever happens in Taiwan.

Bet if he was still considered a “leftist” by the left he would be praised for trying to help.

he actually still is a leftist. just not a “far” leftist. so he is out of the “club” and is now open to criticism.

he actually still is a leftist. just not a “far” leftist. so he is out of the “club” and is now open to criticism.

lol On what do you base this claim? What leftist takes does Musk have? Liking to smoke we doesn't make him a "leftists."

We really need to know what Musk thinks on the great Jaffa cake debate. Is it a biscuit or a cake ?

Liking to smoke we doesn't make him a "leftists."

Do a google search any time prior to his wanting to buy Twitter to “enable free speech.” He has all kinds of leftist credentials and leftist praise before that.

Do a google search any time prior to his wanting to buy Twitter to “enable free speech.” He has all kinds of leftist credentials and leftist praise before that.

I did, and I'm not seeing those "leftist credentials" you're talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk

By the way, it's very telling that one would consider "free speech" to be a leftist value.

Musk looking to become world president.

What an absolute idiot.

People who have done much less in their lives as compared to Musk shouldn't be saying this.

By the way, it's very telling that one would consider "free speech" to be a leftist value.

It’s not a leftist value.

that’s why leftists got mad about him saying he would buy Twitter to ensure it was allowed.

He calls climate change “the biggest threat that humanity faces this century, except for AI”! That’s not leftist enough?

Can share lots more as needed. He’s just not far left so leftists don’t count him anymore.

I did, and I'm not seeing those "leftist credentials" you're talking about.

So in less than 3 minutes you read my post, did a google search, investigated results using critical thinking and posted here again.

color me skeptical.

Billionaire Elon Musk, days after floating a possible deal to end the war between Russia and Ukraine that drew condemnation in Ukraine, suggested that tensions between China and Taiwan could be resolved by handing over some control of Taiwan to Beijing.

After the last two Democrat administrations goaded Russia into invading Ukraine, and the recent visit to Taiwan by Nancy Pelosi, I'm ready to listen to this guy.

Exactly. I’m willing to at least listen to anyone who will discard even 20% of the far left purist ideologies.

Especially someone with proven success and intelligence of Elon Musk.

He calls climate change “the biggest threat that humanity faces this century, except for AI”! That’s not leftist enough?

That’s a matter for science. It shouldn’t be ‘leftist’ or ‘rightist’.

You are far too fogged up with partisanship.

What an absolute idiot.

People who have done much less in their lives as compared to Musk shouldn't be saying this

Interesting principle.

So we can safely discard any of your hysterical bawling about Biden?

Good to know.

It’s not a leftist value.

Wait a minute, so you're telling me that "free speech" isn't a "leftist value," but that Musk, a "leftists" according to you, is championing free speech. That makes no sense.

He calls climate change “the biggest threat that humanity faces this century, except for AI”! That’s not leftist enough?

That the owner of a electric car company says climate change is "the biggest threat that humanity faces this century" is hardly shocking. And being concerned about climate change isn't a "leftist" value any way. Gas companies and even the military are concerned by the threat climate poses, and they're hardly leftist organizations.

I'd also add that supporting Republicans, and the Canadian trucker convoy isn't something "leftists" would do.

I'd also add that supporting Republicans, and the Canadian trucker convoy isn't something "leftists" would do.

but that Musk, a "leftists" according to you, is championing free speech. 

Which is why the left is mad at him now. He’s not allowed to do this! Ideological purity is the only way for the left.

doesn’t make him not leftist, just an imperfect one. that you both cheer and criticize because you don’t know what to think.

What has Joe Biden done except drawing a monthly salary from the us government for over 20% of the entire existence of our country?

Risen to the position of President of the United States. Arguably the most powerful person on the planet ( conspiracy theorists are welcome to comment on this ).

I’m just going on the earlier principle that we shouldn’t insult people who have achieved more than ourselves.

Not my view but an interesting and defensible one.

I suppose the metrics by which we judge ‘doing more with your life’ are subjective in some ways, but I’d be interested in anyone making the case they’ve done more with their life than becoming US President.

if only Musk hated trump instead of just slight dislike/ not caring.

and if only he hadn’t bought Twitter to allow both sides to speak freely.

Then he would still be a celebrated hero of the left. And you would celebrate him helping to solve world problems that liberal politicians seem to be unable to.

if only Musk hated trump instead of just slight dislike/ not caring.

Yeah, if only Musk had better views, then I wouldn't criticize him.

and if only he hadn’t bought Twitter to allow both sides to speak freely.

lol The problem with this is one side will use this freedom to drop racial slurs, and promote all kinds of nasty, toxic speech.

And you would celebrate him helping to solve world problems that liberal politicians seem to be unable to.

lol Nope. I wouldn't have any problem with Musk if he just stuck to making cars and inventing things. The problem is continually promotes stupid, idiotic ideas. Ideas, of course, which are designed promote his personal and professional interests, rather than in the interest of peace or the greater good of humanity.

Musk really needs to stick to business and shut his piehole about geopolitics. All his "ideas" serve his business interests but don't serve the actual people who are involved.

Better as in smarter, more intelligent, and more factually based opinions.

So you are smarter and more intelligent (same thing) than Elon Musk?

but then you claim nobody said what you yourself just said. Interesting.

I don't think anyone here has said they have better ideas, just that Musk's ideas are pretty stupid.

What @Northernlife said

Musk always thinks clearly. Knows how the game should be played and is careful with his words, if the guy confronted this situation antagonizing Vlad with Armageddon he would lose all credibility. The left continue to make themselves look weak and inept, these last 2 years has been a geopolitical mess for the left and this administration. Vlad picked the absolute perfect time to invade Ukraine, because he knows the west won’t lift a finger. Musk, if given the chance could be a possible peacemaker, worth a shot, he could possibly restore what credibility this administration has left.

This is just an unthinkably ridiculous suggestion. 

Why? Because he has more sense than the majority of Congress?

Worth a shot?

Yes!

Why? Because he has more sense than the majority of Congress?

Worth a shot? 

Yes!

Because he is not a ‘Special Master’

He’s a businessman with a vested interest in expanding his business in 2 of the largest economies in the world.

Do you really need this explained to you?

Says the one constantly whining that the US is doing too much, not too little.

I am talking about one man, one very smart one to be precise. 

Musk isn't needed to mediate because the UA is going to win.

Yeah, at this point I seriously doubt that.

Every time silly b talks credibility

I think it’s the other way around, give it a rest.

if the guy confronted this situation antagonizing Vlad with Armageddon he would lose all credibility.

Yeah, cause his recent Twitter negotiations were totally level headed and he didn’t try to antagonize them at all. That’s credibility.

It’s crazy he isn’t head of the UN, WHO and a 3 time Nobel peace prize winner already.

/s

Yeah, cause his recent Twitter negotiations were totally level headed

Well, he got your attention, did he not. That’s the point, you’re commenting on it, this is why the guy has more legitimacy than this administration.

It’s crazy he isn’t head of the UN, WHO and a 3 time Nobel peace prize winner already.

But he has money and influence and the greatest part is, the guy can’t be bought or made to shut up. Money equals power, always and that’s all that matters.

Musk isn't needed to mediate because the UA is going to win.

Yeah, at this point I seriously doubt that.

How to say this delicately?

You have not clue one what you are talking about.

The vast majority of the military and foreign policy assets of the Western world and the results on the battlefield say the exact opposite opposite.

I'll go with them over your "considered" opinion.

Well, he got your attention, did he not. That’s the point,

The point is to get people's attention? My God that's vapid.

you’re commenting on it, this is why the guy has more legitimacy than this administration.

Certainly more legitimacy than the kid he had with his mistress.

But he has money and influence and the greatest part is, the guy can’t be bought or made to shut up. 

Yes, because people with money are certainly more virtuous than us plebians. Pandering to China is certainly beneath Musk, right? My God, every suggestion he comes up with revolves around giving up possession of things Musk doesn't possess.