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(Perhaps) Zawahiri's last words and we may not hear from him again once 'Action Obama' begins in Pak-Afghan after 1.20

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Um, they best not talk about my boy Obama like that.

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Can't we just nab this dork off the streets of Egypt? Don't we do that sort of thing anymore?

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Obviously the last ploy of a desperate terrorist, quaking in his shoes at the prospect of a tough US President bringing real action against al-Qaeda. AQ and its bastard minions should be scared; this President means business!

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Why don't America stop interfering in other countries businesses, then people like Al Qaida won't hate them.

Jeremy Paxman said Al Qaida wanted mCCain to win, because they would get more support if he was president.

America, disband your army and leave the wrold to live in peace.

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Harold - so everybody else's armed forces can move in against the US? We don't think so.

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hahah, this is a guy who has to live in a cave, yet he seeks to make threats against a democratically elected leader.

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“And if anybody needed more of a contrast between what the West and the United States stand for, in terms of democracy and what these terrorists stand for, I don’t think you need to go any further than those comments.”

Well said.

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"They have decided to support the one who calls for withdrawal from Iraq"

He's The One, all right.

"You represent the opposite of honorable black Americans like Malcolm X"

You can't please some people any of the time.

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These scum do have a way with words. Just reading the headline made my blood boil. Then again, you have to understand that these are the comments of a cave dwelling fool.

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OOOOOOOOOO That's not nice. Ayman Zawahiri's going to have to take sensitivity classes with a mouth like that. < :-)

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America leave the world alone, for Pete's sake. If you didn't cause triuble and slaughter innocents without concern, then Al Qaida would leave you alone.

Flipping heck, is it that hard to fathom to all you "patritic" Americans?

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Al-Qaida warns 'house negro' Obama

Al-Qaida better be careful. With talk like that they may lose their support from the first-world leftists. I've already seen a couple changing their tunes.

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I'm no big Obama fan (I voted for McCain) - but Zawahiri will not divide Americans with that kind of BS. Go crawl back in your cave.

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Helter_Skelter: you are right, if they keep this up the war on terror may be closer to the end that we think

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how about capturing him and put him the corner in Bed-Sty!

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From the representatives of the religion that controlled African slavery.

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Helter: "Al-Qaida better be careful. With talk like that they may lose their support from the first-world leftists. I've already seen a couple changing their tunes."

More worrisome would be that they gain support of people like yourself, simply because you are bitter about the election loss. Sad that you would support terrorists simply because you're upset. We forgive you for your bitterness, but I doubt the world would forgive you for supporting those responsible for the terrorist attacks on your and other nations.

What's that? You don't like me saying you support terrorists? Well, show me where the people 'who have changed their tunes' say they support Al Qaida. If you honestly believe they support AQ simply because they don't like bush, then you yourself admit to supporting AQ because you don't like Obama.

Funny when you realize things are not so black and white, eh friend?

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If you didn't cause triuble and slaughter innocents without concern, then Al Qaida would leave you alone.

No, they wouldn't. They want nothing less than a worldwide Muslim theocracy. Page after page of their "holy" book preaches hatred and destruction of non-Muslims. American imperialistic interference may exacerbate things, but hatred of the West is inherent in Islam...

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Obama's starry-eyed devotees won't stand for this!

It's one thing when lefties like Harry Belafonte call Colin Powell or Condi Rice 'house negroes' but putting the media's chosen one in the same category is too much!

I predict we may see 24 hours or even one complete news cycle wherein the multi-culti nonsense about "all cultures are equal" and the very deep "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is actually called into question - but only if the mainstream media can find a way to somehow blame Bush for Zawahiri's insult.

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I wonder what those Somali terrorist think if they knew that Al Qaida thought they were just all a bunch of "N"?

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Zawahiri is just calling it as he sees it and judging from Obama's cabinet picks to date, calling it correctly. If the gullible leftists are going to abandon anyone, it will probably be Obama, once they realize Obama isn't going to stop the wars, restore Constitutional protections eviscerated by Bush or alter U.S. policy on Palestine.

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powderfinger: "Obama's starry-eyed devotees won't stand for this!"

So what's your point? Should we be thanking AQ for it's remarks? Is that what you personally are doing? Do you support them because you are angry over the loss of the Republican party? As I said to Helter earlier, whom I noticed cannot reply to my post, not one person on here who did not support bush has said he or she supports Al-Qaida. There is no reversal of that now.

Furthermore, are you suggesting Harry Belfonte is the same as Al-Qaida? I disagree with both, fact be told, as any human being should, in respect to them both calling someone (not just Obama, sadly for you) a 'house negro', but beyond that there is not a thing about them that's alike. I mean, hearing the 'Day-O' song sets me on edge, but not at all like AQ, my friend.

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Wow, not even president and his honeymoon with Al Quaeda is over. Could it be that there never was a honeymoon, or would that thought bring on a Scanners moment among the neocon moonbats?

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Wolfpack : "crawl back into your cave" you said. Should have been, "Stand in front of your cave so that we can 'Drone' you.

McCain supporters should read into this - like Prop 8 vote. There is something mainstreet doesn't quite understand about African-Americans - they're the mother of all right wingers. Al-Qaida knows this from its failed foray into Africa. Bantu (Negro) Africans don't take too lightly to its kind. Remember the price we paid in Kenya and Tanzania for telling Al-Qaida off? But that didn't turn us off supporting the US in the war on terror. Six of my Zimbabwean compatriots were killed in The World Trade Center . Obama's paternal country, Kenya, lost one hundred plus lives to these murderers. Their allies are murdering scores of coastal and nomadic Kenyans. Shipping along the Kenyan coast is totally disrupted now... how the hell would this bunch of in-bred lunatics expect us (people of the African persuation - apol. to Fred Sanford) to side with them? Yes indeed, Obama has an agenda, to fumigate some caves in Waziristan. If not for his mother's people, for his father's.

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Well could've been worse. He could have said after his election that "America's chickens are coming home to roost".

The honeymoon is over now for sure.

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Nessie, just saw your post. Sorry mate but are you implying that Al-Qaida ever had a soft spot for Obama? As far as I recall, he was the guy they hoped would lose. McCain was their horse. And Obama did repeatedly take heat for saying he'd go after them regardless of what their guardian - Pakistan - said.

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unscrejects:"As far as I recall, he [Obama] was the guy they hoped would lose. McCain was their horse."

Wrong again. They wanted, like smithinjapan and the international Left here, for Bush's party to suffer humiliation.

"Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:15pm EDT DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be "humiliated," without endorsing a party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to an Internet video posting. "

Al Qaeda, like the Left, has been telling their base for years that America is too racist to elect a black or brown president. Takes away the bogus moral authority claimed by those on the Left and in AQ that America just can't help bombing brown-skinned peoples.

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powderfinger: "Wrong again. They wanted, like smithinjapan and the international Left here, for Bush's party to suffer humiliation."

I noticed you failed to answer any of my questions. Not surprising, given that you can only sulk over the Republican loss of... well, just about everything... and not address even your own absurd posts. I notice you also didn't really point anything out to unscrejects' post either -- just once again pouted and shouted out some silly retort that really isn't related.

unscrejects: AQ has never really stated they have a soft-spot for Obama, but they did, along with the Taliban, if I'm not mistaken, say that with Obama in office the POSSIBILITY of dialogue is better. People like Helter_Skelter and Powderfinger, who are against their own president-elect (and therefore by their own logic support terrorism), believe that this automatically means a 'chummy' relationship in which the US will be open to more terrorist attacks... bla bla bla... In short, it's just more rubbish from them.

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“It is true about you and people like you ... what Malcolm X said about the house negroes,” he said, naming former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the current secretary, Condoleezza Rice.

My understanding of Powell makes me think that is most undeserved. Powell was forced to make a deal with the Devil. He had to make it look like he supported the Iraq invasion just to convince the White House to seek U.N. support. I think he hoped the U.N. would make the White House see the light. Powell has always sought to avoid war, and made tough choice to do it then. Rice on the other hand...the accusation just might fit. She is a "yes" man, and never mind her gender. I can hear her saying "Yesm massaa Bush" right now.

“And if anybody needed more of a contrast between what the West and the United States stand for, in terms of democracy and what these terrorists stand for, I don’t think you need to go any further than those comments.”

I wonder if Mr. McCormack can name the democracy that came up with the term that we have seen fit to pretty up here, with "house negro". What does the United States stand for again?

Some parts of Zawahiri's words have merit. If you just wrote him off, you were not listening. But its obvious that most of it is just the tough talk we can expect from someone clearly smelling danger, especially when he insults Obama. And yes, Obama is dangerous to Zawahiri in more ways than one. Obama threatens make moderates out of many Muslims who are not sure where they stand, and turn them away from al-Quaeda. And, of course, moving the troops straight out of Iraq and directly to Afghanistan is going to give him a very serious headache. Here is to aspirin being in very short supply in your cave dwelling.

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mcheeky: "And yes, Obama is dangerous to Zawahiri in more ways than one. Obama threatens make moderates out of many Muslims who are not sure where they stand, and turn them away from al-Quaeda. And, of course, moving the troops straight out of Iraq and directly to Afghanistan is going to give him a very serious headache. Here is to aspirin being in very short supply in your cave dwelling."

Shhhh!!! Don't say such things! Don't you know that the righties on here who still think they are just in hating Obama believe that the only strength one can show is military might? They think only bush's bombs are dangerous, not the ability to ACTUALLY destroy their cause instead of bush strengthening it.

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This is one of the more interesting aspects of the Obama victory.

The Left is forced to admit Al Qaeda is for real.

Militant Islamo-fascism is for real.

Al Qaeda hate or are ready to hate Obama as much as they hate Bush.

Americans exercised their right to vote and elected Obama.

The self-loathing Left in America and in the free democracies of the West is now forced to grow up - and to repeat after Dumbya:

They hate us for our freedoms.

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Some parts of Zawahiri's words have merit.

Not one word out this jerks piehole ever had "merit".

This guy and his merry band of followers purposely target innocent people in markets, bus stops and where ever they feel they can target to get the maximum effect.

He is a cold blooded murderer, merit my.......(can't say it in polite postings).

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powderfinger: Once again, you fail to acknowledge not only my questions, but others, and therefore fully admit to the stance that by pretending one who is against bush's policies supports terrorism, you now support terrorism via your stance on the president elect. I rest my case as to the validity of your posts.

sailwind: "Not one word out this jerks piehole ever had "merit"."

That would be a very comforting fact if true, and I would like to believe it were true, but in some cases it is not. A cold-blooded murderer he is indeed, you have that nailed down without a doubt. But the fact remains that, despite not liking it, some points have a bit of truth. What's more, bush can also be called a cold-blooded killer, but you would support him and abhor your president elect simply because of bias.

"This guy and his merry band of followers purposely target innocent people in markets, bus stops and where ever they feel they can target to get the maximum effect."

So does bush... just look at wedding ceremonies, funerals, schools, etc. in all sorts of countries and now Pakistan to boot. Of course, when the facts come to light it's always 'faulty intelligence' that's to blame, but the fact of the matter is you guys come on here and defend it as 'collateral damage'. My point is not to say that AQ is right in any regard... they are not; but to say bush or anyone who believes they have a right to kill anything THEY want because others have done it is foolhardy in the least, and hypocritical as well.

I strayed a bit above there, but my point is the same... you cannot say someone does not have some points simply because of what it is they are. That is simply wishful thinking.

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Not one word out this jerks piehole ever had "merit".

This guy and his merry band of followers purposely target innocent people in markets, bus stops and where ever they feel they can target to get the maximum effect.

Badly as you may want the world of words to be tied to the world of deeds, they are not.

remember the fate of (President George W) Bush and (Pakistan’s ex-president) Pervez Musharraf, and the fate of the Soviets and British before them.”

Just one example. Surely you can agree that reflection on the history of both the Soviets and the British in Afghanistan has merit? We are facing some of the same problems they did.

Think and be reasonable. I have had enough of gut reactions to last me a life time.

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Nessie, just saw your post. Sorry mate but are you implying that Al-Qaida ever had a soft spot for Obama?

I'm saying that certain right-wingers on this board have made that implication, an implication I am disputing.

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you cannot say someone does not have some points simply because of what it is they are. That is simply wishful thinking.

Think and be reasonable. I have had enough of gut reactions to last me a life time.

AQ and the people that are a part of it are outlaws. They have renounced their own Governments, hold themselves accountable to no one but themselves and their twisted ideology that is even out of the mainstream of their own countries.

They are criminals who have no sway over the the general populations of their home countries as their political agenda is even to radical for them.

They resort to terrorism, using bloody bodies as posters to itimidate and force people to accept their rule.

They kill without impunity or mercy. They torture, maim and rule with an iron fist over the areas they have cowered the locals to accept their control.

They spew hate for the Jew, Infidel and anyone else who disagrees with them. They inflame the hatred to justify their brutality. The need to hate it is what gives them purpose. People who think his words have "merit" are not being reasonable.

They are swallowing what the terrorists crave more than anything........Justification for murder.

Nobody created these guys, they are a group of social misfits that have found common cause with a bunch of other losers who have lashed out at the world because the world won't accept their way of life or rule.

They deserve nothing but the martydom they so desperately seek and I hope Obama has to guts to continue to deliver to them from the land sea and air.

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They hate us for our freedoms.

Actually no, they hate those who will not convert to Islam. Also those who support an independent state of Israel. Now they have shown their intelligence by being racist and calling Obama a "house negro". I think in this case and for those reasons a "lefty and mawkish internationalist" like myself will stand beside my president elect. And before anyone flames me, yes until Jan."W" is my president.

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smithinjapan

they support AQ simply because they don't like bush

After sifting through your incoherent rant, I finally found this nugget of clarity. Yes, this is exactly correct. Leftists support AQ simply because they don't like Bush. But now that AQ is criticizing their Messiah, they don't like AQ that much anymore. By jove, I think you've got it - the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.

then you yourself admit to supporting AQ because you don't like Obama

I would never support AQ under any circumstances. I'm don't use AQ as a political tool like the Leftists.

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sailwind: "They spew hate for the Jew, Infidel and anyone else who disagrees with them."

Sounds like several righties on this thread, to be quite frank... ahem.

Again, you're letting your anger get the best of you. The anger is justified, the response is not. If AQ suddenly said, "We are worthless!" would they be wrong simply because they are criminals and terrorists? I mean, you said yourself that nothing they said could ever possibly have merit.

See the conundrum you put yourself in? You are upset, about the election, about Obama being the better man, about AQ (rightfully so), and about various other things, but you cannot let that anger allow you to lose your head and not think clearly. YES, AQ are murders. NO, they are not 'right', as in justified, in their ways. But again, just because of these facts simply stating 'anything you say is wrong' is simply playing into their hands, and proving ignorant. It's never so simple, and you deserve more credit than the nil you are getting and the fool you are making of yourself for lashing out.

THINK!

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'Now they have shown their intelligence by being racist and calling Obama a "house negro".'

Strictly speaking, in Zawahiri's world - and in his native Arabic - 'black' and 'slave' are basically interchangeable terms.

But still, imagine if you were the sort of sentimental Lefty (like Bill Ayers) that actually believed in the suicidal multiculturalism you were brainwashed with and had even given your kids Arabic names like Malik or Jamal - cuz you thought you was like, bein' all down with the Cause, and showin' solidarity wif your oppressed brothers in the mid east fight and helpin to fight the man in the White House.

Wouldn't this just ruin your Yes, we could! euphoria.

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skelter,

" Leftists support AQ"

From somone who still thinks Preseident-elect Obama is a socialist, I find these little gems of yours fantastic amusement...

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Helter: "Leftists support AQ simply because they don't like Bush. But now that AQ is criticizing their Messiah, they don't like AQ that much anymore."

Well, you've simply proven that you have absolutely zero credibility at all. I said show me ONE post where someone against bush has said they are FOR AQ. One... and of course you cannot. I then went on to point out the foolishness and hypocrisy of your thinking: that if you truly believe people against bush therefore support AQ, then you yourself support AQ for being against Obama (since Obama is against AQ). See how ignorant your logic is?

"I would never support AQ under any circumstances. I'm don't use AQ as a political tool like the Leftists."

HAHAHAHAHAhahaha! Rearead any of your posts, my friend. You use them as a tool simply by saying you are against the president-elect of the US, who is against them (again, that's using your own logic). I know you don't like it, but you said you are for them yourself, not me -- I was merely trying to prove you wrong. Thanks for buying into the trap.

Helter_Skelter, supporter of AQ. Good to know who's side you're on, because, after all, "you're either with us (Obama) or against us," right? HAHA. Not nice when your own logic bites you in the a$$.

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HaroldSteptoe

If you didn't cause triuble [trouble] and slaughter innocents without concern, then Al Qaida would leave you alone.

Well, this is certainly hard for this American to fathom. I don't mind taking responsibility for the times America does make mistakes and America does make its share of mistakes. However, I find it inconceivable that someone would want to say America was wrong for liberating Kuwait from Saddam Husein. After all it was the presence of the U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia during the conflict in which Saddam invaded Kuwait that Osama bin Ladin began his quest to destroy or do harm to America. Iraq-Kuwait wasn't anymore Osama's business than our business. If you want to call that "slaughter[ing] innocents without concern" then good luck with that. Just be clear Al Qaida with Osama bin Laden at the helm attacked America for being in Saudi Arabia after being invited by them to use their land to free Kuwait.

Ayman Zawahiri, sir, be aware that our "[white] house negro" will be coming to get your ass. Sir, you were quite mistaken to think he has a white master. Ayman said, "What you have announced before ... that you will withdraw troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan is a policy that is doomed to failure ..." Yeah, thanks for that bit of policy advice but I don't think we will be taking it under advisement. I think we will stick with the policy of coming to kick your ass.

“By voting in (Barrack) Obama, the American people have proclaimed their fear of the fate that they could be led into by the policies of the like of Bush,” he said.

Ahhhh, we got us a mind reader here.

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Helter_Skelter said:

I would never support AQ under any circumstances. I'm don't use AQ as a political tool like the Leftists.

You don't use "as a tool"; you are a tool.

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It wouldnt matter who is president to AQ, they are not going to be happy until they are rid of those who dont follow them... The calling of Obama any racist name is just typical behavior of those who are in AQ. Obama has allot on his plate right now and AQ is going to try what ever it can to make his life horrid..

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Helter_Skelter said:

Yes, this is exactly correct. Leftists support AQ simply because they don't like Bush.

I wonder how many other conservatives support this point of view. Please feel free to voice your support for Helter's comments.

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Obama-sama has said repeatedly that he is about finding solutions/compromise/common-ground to these on-going philosophical differences.

=I don't see where name-calling is finding a solution.

Even for Terrorists common ground can be found (Ayers is a example), however in the case of history compromise with terrorists seldom works (Hamas, PLO, etc...) Responsibility for ones actions is the fundamental reasoning here and even a terrorist like Ayers still reputes his responsibility.

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See the conundrum you put yourself in? You are upset, about the election, about Obama being the better man,

This Jerk just called my President a house Negro......... And you think I'm upset about the election...Get a CLUE Smith.

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Just be clear Al Qaida with Osama bin Laden at the helm attacked America for being in Saudi Arabia after being invited by them to use their land to free Kuwait.

Just to be clear he sanctioned terrorism agaisn't innocent people who had nothing to do with America being invited in.

Stop giving the guy a pass.

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GoodDonkey

Re-read your post....My apologies.

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On the political front, Zawahiri said: “What you have announced before ... that you will withdraw troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan is a policy that is doomed to failure ...

that means that the terrorist are in Afghanistan aren't they?

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sailwind

Learn to read. I did not give "the guy a pass."

I said we were right to support Kuwait. I said it wasn't Osama's business more than it was our business. I said it was our business because we were invited. Now explain where I gave him "a pass"!!!

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What a crock. Some people need to grow up. Armchair arguments about who is liberal or who is conservative are totally irrelavent.

Let's not beat about the bush, Uncle Osama and his merry band are hell-bent on spreading their own brand of perverted Islam, whether the West likes it or not. They have and will take every opportunity to kill and maim innocent people (christians, jews, muslims, anybody). The powers that be need to disengage themselves in a logical manner from the Iraq dilemma and meet the threat of AQ in Afghanistan head on. And for all you people who thinks this means "strategic bombing," it means nothing of the sort. Meeting them head on means putting in the infantry and bleeding them dry. To quote a certain Corporal Jones, "They don't like it up 'em."

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Looks like the AP or whoever provided this article wants to be coy with the still gullible West.

Here is another version:

"You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand in the ranks of the enemies of the Muslims, and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim to be Christian, in order to climb the rungs of leadership in America," he said. Mr Obama was not an "honourable black American" like Malcolm X, he said, but an "abeed al-beit" - a word that translates as house slave but was rendered "house negro" in the message's English subtitles. The audio was accompanied by footage of a speech by Malcolm X in which he distinguished between "field negroes" who hated their white masters and "house negroes" who, he said, were loyal to them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7737710.stm

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But, but, but ... the MSM said only milk and honey would be flowing in the streets all over the world once obama was elected!!!

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His use of Malcolm X is hysterical considering arab countries probably rank the lowest in the world in terms of any kind of equality.

Every arab state is a failure in terms of democracy, tolerance and equality. For some states this failure is temporarily masked by the wealth brought by oil but it'll be business as usual when the oil runs out. This is because they might look united under the same language and same religion but deep down they are just a collection of tribes that have never gotten on with one another.

This is not only true for arab countries but also applies to almost all muslim countries. Everywhere where islamo-fascists have gained control of some areas, they have brought poverty, ignorance, disease and barbarism with them: stonings, hangings of gay men, blaming rape victims for 'adultery', forcing people into poverty for running 'immoral' businesses, closing girls schools, refusing the use of vaccines for children and the list goes on.

Al Qaida are like any dictator: they want an illiterate, uneducated populace they can easily manipulate.

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A "house negro" is akin to a jail "trusty," someone who gets special privileges for accepting the system and ratting out those who don't to avoid ending up back in the fields.

The message is really aimed not at Americans, but the Muslim world which might be lured into thinking Obama, whose father was Muslim, represents "change." The Chinese have a saying, "The dog is worse than his master," which is what Al Qaeda is going for here.

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I don't really see what everyone is arguing about. I think we can all agree that AQ is scum and it's insulting for them to call our President a "house negro."

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The AQ are all bunch of cowardly idiots hiding in caves talking big. Its sad that they messed up the name of other normal Arabs who just want to live their lives, but i believe that u guys have misunderstood what the AQ meant by the term "house negro". I dont believe that they are racists by calling him a house negro, but theres more to it. Just look it up on one of Malcom X's videos on youtube.

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Betzee:

" The message is really aimed not at Americans, but the Muslim world which might be lured into thinking Obama, whose father was Muslim, represents "change." "

No. With all its US internal references, the video is squarely aimed at Americans. The muslim world does not need any reminder to keep up the jihad against the infidel world until everyone is submitted under islam... that is central islamic teaching, so does not need any propaganda videos.

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indianbrit:

" The AQ are all bunch of cowardly idiots hiding in caves talking big. "

No. The AQ are just one of many islamic organizations who take the islamic obligation for armed jihad seriously. There are many others, and there always will be. Cowards they are not, and unless they have a particular reason to, they don´t live in caves, either. Stop watching Hollywood and start reading up on the content and history of islam.

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No. With all its US internal references, the video is squarely aimed at Americans. The muslim world does not need any reminder to keep up the jihad against the infidel world until everyone is submitted under islam... that is central islamic teaching, so does not need any propaganda videos.

If it were aimed at Americans, how come so few here appreciated the significance of the term “house negro”? It’s really quite sad reading through these posts where one sees repeated reliance on the usual suspects, namely straw men, red herrings, and sacred cows, but little understanding.

The house negro enjoyed a privileged position in an economy based on back-breaking, labor intensive plantation agriculture. Yet there were dangers; the massa could easily have his way with females who worked in his home cooking, cleaning, etc. The black side of Thomas Jefferson’s family owes its origins to his liaison with a female house negro, reputedly a cousin of his wife’s. Wonders never cease, Barack Obama is also of mixed race something most in the Muslim world, where slavery was also practiced for centuries, would catch.

Al Qaeda is anxious to counter the view that Obama represents “change,” don’t think they don't also need to make appeals of this type given the thumpin’ they’ve taken in Iraq.

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But, but, but ... the MSM said only milk and honey would be flowing in the streets all over the world once obama was elected!!!

Wasn't that what a certain group of less then educated people that wanted others to believe, that Obama was muslim and had a secert agenda to do muslim type things to America. Alas, one of the myths used by some to create fear during election times seems to be falling apart.

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SuperLib: "I don't really see what everyone is arguing about. I think we can all agree that AQ is scum and it's insulting for them to call our President a "house negro.""

Very well said. I think if you look at the majority of 'arguments' on this thread they stem from the ultra-rightists trying to find a way to blame this on Obama, and those supporting the man defending him.

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"If it were aimed at Americans, how come so few here appreciated the significance of the term “house negro”?"

Maybe because for most of us, the civil war is looong over.

The good side won.

Though the Left - and Al Qaeda - want to fan the inevitable small flames of resentment into conflagration, I think the vast majority of Americans are disgusted and even embarrassed for anybody (Harry Belefonte included) referring to an American who happens to be black as a 'house negro.'

"Wonders never cease, Barack Obama is also of mixed race something most in the Muslim world, where slavery was also practiced for centuries, would catch."

It's still practiced in some Mohammedan countries, and I doubt you could find AQ denouncing this.

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Maybe because for most of us, the civil war is looong over.

Don't ya like study history?

I think the vast majority of Americans are disgusted and even embarrassed for anybody (Harry Belefonte included) referring to an American who happens to be black as a 'house negro.'

The distinction is used to divide blacks, it would cease to have any meaning if it applied to all blacks. The legacy of miscegnation lives on, Spike Lee's first film She's Gotta Have It delves into skin color terrain on a black college campus.

What Michael X failed to appreciate when he castigated house negroes for their loyalty to massa which prevented the development of a black consciousness movement among slaves, is that their mixed racial heritage gave them conflicting loyalties.

In fact the mother of Thomas Jefferson's black offspring was reputed to be his wife's half-sister, not cousin as I wrote above. In the eyes of white America, however, they would always be black and that branch of the family would not be recognized as his descendants (until recently after DNA testing confirmed what everyone already knew).

Though the Left - and Al Qaeda - want to fan the inevitable small flames of resentment into conflagration,

Rather it's the Right who's unhappy with this slur because they need to see Obama as Al Qaeda's preferred candidate. The video, however, was an obvious effort at damage control in the battle for hearts and minds (which Al Qaeda is losing) indicating otherwise.

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What Michael X failed to appreciate when he castigated house negroes for their loyalty to massa which prevented the development of a black consciousness movement among slaves, is that their mixed racial heritage gave them conflicting loyalties.

Betz

His name was Malcolm not Michael, if your going to speak for him as person not of African descent pleaae get his first name straight at least.

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My apologies, I read his autobiography in high school and that was a looong time ago!

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"House Negro" is a slur and like other slurs, such as "Girlie Man," it becomes the focus of attention rather than whatever is being said. My point is simply that Muslims around the world probably got Al Qaeda's meaning, which doesn't mean they accepted it, whereas Americans on this thread appear to have missed it because they didn't appreciate the term's historic significance.

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whereas Americans on this thread appear to have missed it because they didn't appreciate the term's historic significance.

Betzee - I dont think you understand the origins of the term "House Negro". The notion that Muslims around the world have a better understanding of American history and Malcoim X than American on this thread seems to be wishful thinking. It seems like you are projecting a level American history by the Muslims around the world that is not supported by any evidence.

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The notion that Muslims around the world have a better understanding of American history and Malcoim X than Americans on this thread seems to be wishful thinking. It seems like you are projecting a level American history knowledge by the Muslims around the world that is not supported by any evidence.

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Since when did we start caring what the AQ thinks/says? Never. Moving along ....

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...so it all comes back to biased and blind eye treatment of Israel then by the US.

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"Since when did we start caring what the AQ thinks/says? Never. "

Never?

Yes, Al Sharpton was indifferent when conservatives like Colin Powell or Condi Rice, who happen to be black, were called 'house negroes,' but now he's shocked - shocked! - that Al Qaeda is 'dissing' the media's Chosen One. So shocked that he even went on Fox News:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3U2IZfxCV0

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It seems like you are projecting a level American history knowledge by the Muslims around the world that is not supported by any evidence.

broadbeam,

Contrary to the claims of those on the Right, al Qaeda has no following in America and its leadership knows that. So making such a tape to win over Americans would be pointless, a conclusion shared by powderfinger's bbc link above.

Malcolm X’s autobiography is the story of an aimless young man who’d embarked on a life of crime before finding salvation in prison in the form of political theology. This gives him a new perspective and causes him to ask why a black consciousness movement never emerged during the era of slavery. It's certainly a worthy topic of inquiry.

He pinpoints “house negroes” as a group whose loyalty to the master impeded that. I think he’s being too hard on them. Many were women who, in addition to cooking and cleaning while others toiled under the broiling sun in the cotton fields, were bearing the master’s children. That would have given them some loyalty toward him, even though the relationship was of course not consensual by any standard.

Fast forward to the present: Obama's victory has been heralded in many quarters. He is said to represent change. Al Qaeda, if this tape is taken as evidence, is desperate to prevent Muslims from believing that and hence denounced him as a "house negro," or someone who sucks up to whitey to gain a privileged position vis-a-vis his brethren. 'Nuff said (by me).

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Maybe we can get a poll -

"Which side would Malcolm X choose if he were alive today - Obama or Osama?"

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OK, I watched the Reverend Al youtube clip. It's clear he's offended that someone other than himself has appropriated the right to decide which blacks fall into what category!

Alas, such hypocrisy is matched by his critics. I mean to write "Colin Powell.. who happen[s] to be black..." Huh??? When Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama did "he happen to be black"? Nope, he was dismissed as nothing more than a black man. Never mind he articulated his reasons for supporting the other party's candidate in a very deliberate fashion, he was just one black brother endorsin' another.

To sum up, race matters except when it doesn't.

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obama promised to bring peace and harmony to the entire world, and I demand that he keep his word.

RR

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beambreak: "I dont think you understand the origins of the term "House Negro". The notion that Muslims around the world have a better understanding of American history and Malcoim X than American on this thread seems to be wishful thinking."

Don't be naive... just because one is born in the US does not mean they know more about the country and its history than anyone else. You could live in a trailer your whole life in Iowa and you're going to tell me simply by being born and living there you know more than someone who has studied, in-depth, the history and culture of the country? This 'logic' reminds of me of when the Japanese get upset whenever another nationality plays a Japanese in a movie because they think they know more than everyone else about Japan simply because they are Japanese.

RR: "obama promised to bring peace and harmony to the entire world, and I demand that he keep his word."

Not that you have any credibility on this site anymore, but what the heck... that's fine, go ahead and demand it. Everyone should! But I suspect, like the other righties, despite progress being made in that direction by Obama you'll scour anything you can get your hands on to spin it in a bad light. Obama could engage in dialogue with Iran and get them to reveal their nuclear program, etc., and people like you would simply say: "W-w-welll b-b-b-b-but China is still communist! HA! Obama promised INSTANT peace world-wide!" In other words, you'll find something to hate in all the good, regardless of the fact that it IS good.

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One day people will realize that just getting rid of Bush won't make Al Quada go away. They have been wanting to kill Americans and innocent people all over the world, and yes, even during the Clinton administration. For those who are young, look it up. If Obama gets out of Iraq, stays out of Afghanistan, pulls the bases out of Saudi Arabia, and stops supporting Israel, then militant Islamic thugs will no doubt love him - for a while.

Those of you who think that replacing Bush with Obama will make terrorists leave the US alone are incredibly naive.

Here is a prophecy for you. It won't be long and they will be burning effigies of Obama. When that day comes, you might realize that the reason terrorists hate the US is not just because of Bush. The world loves Obama now. Let's wait and see if they still do 12 months from now.

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At least with Obama we will have a Commander and Chief who will try to get Bin Laden and the others who were involved with the Sept 11th attacks.

Bush made a promise to get those who were responsible for the attacks. But after 7 years all he got was us into Iraq and took his eye off the ball.

Bush and his view came up empty and it is time for a change.

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Don't mistake someone, such as Reverend Al, as caring when in fact what he wants is a little TV time for himself.

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JoeBigs: Extremely well said.

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Crafty, that Zawahiri. Reckon he's like angling for a position in Mr Obama's cabinet!

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One day people will realize that just getting rid of Bush won't make Al Quada go away. They have been wanting to kill Americans and innocent people all over the world, and yes, even during the Clinton administration. For those who are young, look it up. If Obama gets out of Iraq, stays out of Afghanistan, pulls the bases out of Saudi Arabia, and stops supporting Israel, then militant Islamic thugs will no doubt love him - for a while.

Those of you who think that replacing Bush with Obama will make terrorists leave the US alone are incredibly naive.

Here is a prophecy for you. It won't be long and they will be burning effigies of Obama. When that day comes, you might realize that the reason terrorists hate the US is not just because of Bush. The world loves Obama now. Let's wait and see if they still do 12 months from now.

Who is it that you're lecturing here, yasukuni? No one in their right mind thinks Al "Quada" will be magically defeated just by Obama being elected, and all this slanderous garbage Zawahiri is spewing shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Obama has a lot to do with the big mess President Bush created by targeting Iraq while in the middle of the hunt for Usama bin Laden. I'd say that at least, is common knowledge. Anyhow, if you've been paying attention to what Obama has been saying, he doesn't plan to "stay out" of Afghanistan. He considered the country what should have been the main target since the War on T. began. If Al Q. is interested in extending the torture of the people in the Middle East for their nonsense, then history may repeat itself, but I'm a little more confident than you that Obama won't "take his eye off the ball."

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"House negro"! I suppose that after hearing so much about how Bush was a puppet (and I sure did not object!), we better get used to names like this.

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Just goes to show that it doesn't matter who is president, al Quaida is still a bunch of murderous bigots. I doubt anybody expected that to change just because Obama was elected. But maybe a few more people will be convinced that you can't negotiate with this type of fanatic. Sucks, doesn't it?

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Endless arguing for the sake of arguing gets nowhere. Too much talk of 'Michael X' (that one had me howling) and Harry Belafonte. Are you kidding?? Does anyone give a flying rat's backside about Harry Belafonte? Find this Zawahiri clown and set him down in the middle of Compton or the South Bronx. Put a sign around his neck that says 'I called Barrack a 'House N__' and let nature take its course.

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tigermoth, I like that idea. Too bad I can't make it happen.

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