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Alex Jones defiant in deposition in Sandy Hook hoax lawsuit

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Alex Jones is a particularly odious being, I won’t call him human.

I really hope that he dies penniless and on the street.

This has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with grafting the gullible by monetizing conspiracy. It’s really that simple.

That infowars is referenced here as a credible source of information disqualifies one from any adult discussion.

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Denying a tragedy happened, calling it an outright lie and then backpedaling when proven wrong, but still unable to stop spouting bs. Sadly an all too familiar scenario these days.

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Denying a tragedy happened, calling it an outright lie and then backpedaling when proven wrong, but still unable to stop spouting bs. Sadly an all too familiar scenario these days.

Sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?

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Free speech is not an absolute right of an individual. It must be balanced with the rights of others not to be traumatized or threatened. Jones craps all over this basic principle of law by reducing the harm these parents suffered to "it might hurt somebody’s feelings".

What a despicable lump of animate matter.

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It must be balanced with the rights of others not to be traumatized or threatened. 

While I find Mr. Jones conduct odious in the extreme, be very careful when you imply people have some right not to be bothered by someone else's speech. You do not. The very instant you create a right not to be bothered by someone else's speech you accept censorship, which is also odious. As kids we used to say "sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me". Now people whine and cry because they are "traumatized" by what someone else said. 250 years ago men who would go on to become US Presidents wrote truly harsh criticisms of European nobility and especially harsh denounciations of organized Christianity. Read James Madison's "A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments", a speech he gave to the Virginia Legislature to see what I mean. Devout Christians were deeply offended but he had a free speech right to criticize that religion. More recently religions were arguing before the UN that there must be laws in nations to make it illegal to criticize religion. Fortunately that effort went nowhere but you see that urge never dies. The freedom to speak critically and question authority must be protected otherwise you will have all and sundry arguing for restrictions on speech to spare them the trauma of criticism and you will end up with the kind of repression one finds in China or Russia.

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It must be balanced with the rights of others not to be traumatized or threatened. 

While I find Mr. Jones conduct odious in the extreme, be very careful when you imply people have some right not to be bothered by someone else's speech. You do not.

I have to agree. People can and do say offensive things, and they can and should be made social pariahs when they get too offensive. But, if their speech is not inciting violence, then it should not be illegal. No one has the right to not be offended.

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Alex Jones has a free speech right to say the Sandy Hook murders didn't happen. It isn't true but he has every right to say stupid nonsense. Nobody is obliged to believe him. In a free society there is an expectation that grown ups can figure the truth out for themselves and act on it.

What Alex Jones doesn't have a right to do is to use his media platform to incite others to violence against the parents of the children killed at Sandy Hook. That is what he is being sued for and rightly so. It is the threats of violence he incited and not the fact he denied the murders are the basis of him being sued.

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Another disgusting MAGA-world denizen who uses lies, hate, and faux outrage to fleece and bilk the MAGA-masses...

While at the same time inciting them to the type of violence we see more of each day from these far-right domestic terrorists...

A putrid human being - how many of these charlatans are down in the MAGA-sewer?

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be very careful when you imply people have some right not to be bothered by someone else's speech. You do not.

I agree. But it's not just people being bothered, it's people being threatened by nutjobs who subscribe to Jones' vitriol.

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If it was an honest mistake, fine.

But once it was proven that his statements were false, he needed to be fined for each incident. If he was on radio or TV, the FCC would have taken action (pre-Trump). Just because he didn't commit libel against 1 person, that doesn't mean not telling the truth should be allowed, unless it is clearly satire or comedy.

Jones used the same lies for months, which never should have been allowed.

I don't know where his "platform is." Don't care to know anything that despicable group of cells says. I don't consider him human.

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As kids we used to say "sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me".

My man, the dude was genuinely traumatizing the family of dead kids. They got death threats.

Yeah, if someone says, “you’re a jerk”, then walk it off. Maybe they think you’re a jerk. Maybe you were being a jerk. Hell, maybe you are a jerk. But your life hasn’t changed.

But if someone with a national platform calls you a liar exploiting the fake death of your child to steal rights away from Americans, resulting in death threats, that’s more than “free speech”. That’s a threat to your life, and your family’s, as you’re already dealing with the greatest trauma a parent can know.

Alex Jones belongs in prison.

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As kids we used to say "sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me".

The problem in this case, is that his words actually did cause hurt. They incited right-wing mobs to attack these people. The fact that they are victims of a horrendous tragedy only adds to the depravity of it. Words can cause actual hurt, and when they do, they should be criminalized.

The parents of the Sandyhook victims (who let's not forget are victims themselves), have been able to show actual damages. So Jones, for inciting said attacks, has been found guilty, and will have to pay.

Remember that MAGA folk, inciting others to violence results in guilty convictions. Sometimes even in jail.

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I think we are all in agreement that Jones is a douchecanoe. But is that enough to make him liable?

My default position would be that, whoever actually made death threats against the families of victims should be found and prosecuted. But Jones is a convenient and easy target- presumably because he has some money and can be made to pay damages.

Also the problem of a lawsuit like this is that it gets Jones a lot of free publicity. You wanna really hurt the guy? Ignore him. Laugh at him if you must. But whatever you do, don't take him seriously.

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You wanna really hurt the guy? Ignore him.

You have a point there. People like Jones, Trump, Carlson, etc live off attention, and especially by causing outrage. The problem is that in our current attention economy, it's nearly impossible to turn the spigot off. So ideally, yeah, ignoring him would be great, but it's not going to happen.

And I still think they should sue the crap out of him. He incited his mob, however indirectly, to threaten those unfortunate parents.

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You wanna really hurt the guy? Ignore him. 

I’d rather he be imprisoned.

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He caused these families to be threatened, to have to move multiple times, to be constantly looking over their shoulders as a direct result of his actions. That is actionable. And he knew it and did nothing to stop it or tell anyone "Hey, leave these people alone." Why? because he needed to keep his cult followers riled up and "engaged" so that they would buy his various products. That is actionable. He is very lucky that none of his followers ever actually engaged in violence because of his statements or he would have criminal negligence as well.

As it is, he deserves to be held liable for actual and punitive damages ranging into the multiple millions of dollars. That is the bare minimum for taking parents, morning the loss of their children (as a parent I cannot, will not even imagine the grief) AND making them fear for their safety and causing them to suffer constant harassment as a direct consequence of actions he took WITH MALICE OF FORETHOUGHT.

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You wanna really hurt the guy? Ignore him. 

I like seeing him bankrupted myself. I think that hurts a little more than the silent treatment.

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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was defiant and cited free speech rights during a lawsuit deposition in April 

Free speech is a valid defense in a defamation suit.

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Free speech is a valid defense in a defamation suit.

If it was, he wouldn't have been found guilty. Clearly the reality of the situation proves you don't know what you're talking about.

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This scumbag even shared the personal info, maps and address of the parents of a 6 year old victim of Sandy Hook. The parents were harassed and threatened with death by Jones's lunatic followers, having to move house multiple times to avoid the torture that he instigated in order to sell his snake oils.

If you think 'Free Speech' excuses that then please tell us your address.

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Ignore him. Laugh at him if you must. But whatever you do, don't take him seriously.

That’s what people of reasonable IQ and mental stability do but there is the slowest kid in the class argument. Some lack the faculties to do this.

I believe Jones is actually sincere in much of the trash he spouts. He displays the classic trait of a conspiracy theorist - he is desperate to portray himself as cleverer than he is. Watch him in interviews - he cannot accept he doesn’t know something.

Apart from this staged shootings filth he was inevitably involved in the stolen election nonsense which had the morons p##sing themselves in their parents’ basements.

Let him speak but don’t hesitate to sue this piece of trash for everything he’s worth.

The slowest kids in the class will always be with us and will always be easily led. I don’t see how you change that.

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JimizoToday  12:29 am JST

I believe Jones is actually sincere in much of the trash he spouts.

So you believe he was stating his opinion.

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After first promoting the hoax conspiracies on his Infowars show and other media platforms, Jones later said he did believe the shooting happened but has maintained he had the right to say it didn't.

This is what MAGAism will always be remembered as in posterity. Truth isn't important, it's more important that lies and viciousness are allowed for monetary gain.

Jones lied, he knew he lied, he has admitted he lied, his lies caused untold suffering. Make him pay.

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No, I don’t (accept) responsibility

That's just it, he said it right there. He's in the media and he doesn't responsibility for his lies and bullcrap. And it has led to violence, misery and harassment against the Sandy Hook survivors. He is an irresponsible loudmouth sassybrat who spreads lies, rumors and hurtful gossip like an Iago and doesn't take responsibility for the actions he basically promoting.

He's just out to tell lies and make noise like the ignorant boorish vuvuzela that he is. He doesn't care about how his sheep take his lies and crap. He's certainly not making an honest living in this manner.

plasticmonkeyJuly 15  02:27 pm JST

You wanna really hurt the guy? Ignore him.

You have a point there. People like Jones, Trump, Carlson, etc live off attention, and especially by causing outrage. The problem is that in our current attention economy, it's nearly impossible to turn the spigot off. So ideally, yeah, ignoring him would be great, but it's not going to happen.

And I still think they should sue the crap out of him. He incited his mob, however indirectly, to threaten those unfortunate parents.

He needs to accept responsibility for his actions and loose lippy lies like a man. He needs to own up and accept responsibility for it. But he seems to think it's all funny. He needs to be in jail for all the pain he has caused for others.

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Nothing in this article says he lied when he made the initial statements..

After first promoting the hoax conspiracies on his Infowars show and other media platforms, Jones later said he did believe the shooting happened but has maintained he had the right to say it didn't.

His 'initial statements' were lies, which he has admitted.

Unfortunately lies aren't excused just because you pretended them to be to true at that time.

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Snip from Wikipedia about the Brandenburg vs. Ohio decision, "The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

It sounds like imminent lawless action was incited, and that Mr. Jones is full of beans. It also sounds like he failed to produce documents he was instructed to produce, and the judge can punish that as seems appropriate.

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Not at all irrelevant. He is citing the First Amendment in the article without understanding it.

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If someone sue , completely ignore it,you will not have a pleasant legal outcome,a federal judge will send a federal marshal,with the authority to detain ,until you cooperate

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A jury did not find Jones,liable ,he was found liable by a bench ruling issue by a judge,the jury will established damage

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DT,he was profiting from these people pain,daily on his show,when he knowing was inflicting mental anguish to the victim family

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