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Amid global alarm, Ukraine, Russia trade blame for nuclear plant attacks

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Ukraine, Russia trade blame for nuclear plant attacks

Occam's Razor: which country invaded the other, bringing its military across the border and started the war?

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Ukrainain money pit ,the US just gave 5.5 billion dollars,all you people that support this war Ukraine got a fund for you to give called United24, no amount of money will save Ukrainain,100 of dead Ukrainain lay dead on the streets of Pisky Google Ukraine Pisky Death

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all you people that support this war 

The ONLY people who wanted a war are the invaders - Fascist Russia, and shaky little Putler.

More and more of these invading fascist thugs are being zipped up in bags and sent back where they belong, and it will continue until the scum realize the war is as unwinnable as Afghanistan for them.

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The Soviets have a really poor record of nuclear power safety.

They should be persuaded to stick to their usual raping and pillaging.

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Lots of Ukrainain have family in Russia, Russian is define as citizen living in the Russian Federation,how in the hell do US get involved with dysfunctional situation, unless their dysfunctional themselves ,as an American I want to know this

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Russians: "The world hates us, we need to do something to make us look good. I know, lets blow up a Nuclear Power plant and poison Europe, that should do it. " Orc logic 101.

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The area is now being targeted by Ukraine for a counter-offensive.

That is correct, any shells landing near the nuclear facility will be fired by Kiev nationalists.

Just more of the now bordering on comedy propaganda coming from Zelensky.

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The Russians are responsible. They are escalating to de-escalate because they’re out of combat power and their poorly equipped, poorly led band of criminals, dead-Enders and boys that just want to go home is getting its ass handed to it.

If this doesn’t work, Putie will think up another escalation to try to scare Ukraine and it’s backers. It’s not going to work.

Russia can never be allowed to threaten its neighbors on a bs excuse ever again.

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It is what Russia is praying for. That's why they're firing on anything that moves or stands close to the power plant, from safely inside the plant...

That is correct, any shells landing near the nuclear facility will be fired by Kiev nationalists.

Just more of the now bordering on comedy propaganda coming from Zelensky.

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Those crazy Russian cowboys shooting their weapons off at nuclear power plants on foreign soil. Are they nuts or what!?

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The Russians should withdraw all of their troops from the plant. Ukrainians agree not to have any military there. The IAEA inspects the plant.

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Just more of the now bordering on comedy propaganda 

as opposed to your comical pro-Russia anti-west propaganda.

It’s disgusting how many people point the finger of blame at Ukraine, when They are just defending their country from a murderous horde of invaders.

These same people would’ve cheered on nazi Germany as well.

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The Russians should withdraw all of their troops from the plant. 

Actually they should withdraw from Ukraine, period.

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Nemo

The Russians should withdraw all of their troops from the plant. 

Actually they should withdraw from Ukraine, period.

The impossible can be achieved today. Miracles take a bit longer.

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However it is, I believe, one of the largest nuclear power plants in Europe and likely supplies much of Ukraine’s electricity consumption. It is little wonder then that Ukraine wants UN peacekeepers in control of it. Winter is coming.

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StewieToday  08:18 am JST

Russians: "The world hates us, we need to do something to make us look good. I know, lets blow up a Nuclear Power plant and poison Europe, that should do it. " Orc logic 101.

Vladimir Putin: 'Teeee-eeeaaa-CHUH! Ukraine is throwing missiles at meeeee-eeeeeee!'.

NemoToday  10:41 am JST

The Russians should withdraw all of their troops from the plant. 

Actually they should withdraw from Ukraine, period.

No 'easy victory' like Kazakhstan was this past winter, is it? Now it's come to the level of urban guerilla warfare which really sucks for foreign invading soldiers. And wait until winter arrives there. It's going to tough-tough-tough-tough-TOUGH. Them Russian soldiers will have to eat rats on the west side of the city and deal with bedbugs in their shelters - if they can find any. And the local yocals sure ain't going to help them.

They need to go back to Russia, go back home. They have lost a lot of men, material weapons and moolah rubles. Putin screwed up, he's got egg and mud and doo-doo all over his FACE!

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Kiev nationalists

fighting to keep their country from foreign invaders. If you don't think that makes sense, something is wrong with you. Russia never had any business in Ukraine since the USSR fell, unless they were invited by Ukraine - which clearly they were not.

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It is not as if Putin has ever lied before.......

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@tooheysnew

It’s disgusting how many people point the finger of blame at Ukraine, when They are just defending their country from a murderous horde of invaders

It’s disgusting how many people ignore all the crimes Ukraine committed. It started the civil war when it unleashed its brutal "Ukrainization" campaign in 2014 against the people of Donbass. For Donbass the Ukroarmy and volunteer nazi battalions is the murderous horde of invaders. Dozens of thousands of Ukrainians are fighting now against the regime and its horde of rapists and murderers. The horde now is retreating, and it is doing now what its nazi collaborators forefathers did in WWII when on retreat - destroy the infrastructure, deport the local population.

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Whatever Ukraine did, does not justify the Russian invasion. Russia/Putin lied about its intentions.

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its brutal "Ukrainization" campaign in 2014 against the people of Donbass

you've got this confused with the campaign against the Russian infiltrators that Putin sent into the region to incite trouble.

Dozens of thousands of Ukrainians are fighting now against the regime and its horde of rapists and murderers.

false - there is only one side recognised globally as rapists & murderers - the Russians

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wallace:

Talking sense there at 10.19 am.

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@tooheysnew

you've got this confused with the campaign against the Russian infiltrators that Putin sent into the region to incite trouble

Almost the whole Ukroarmy, with bombers and heavy artillery, was sent in 2014 against "infiltrators"? And they bombed and shelled these several infiltrators for eight years? This is a textbook case of "you've got this confused", to put it mildly.

false - there is only one side recognised globally as rapists & murderers - the Russians

False. Dozens of thousands of Ukrainians who are fighting now in the Donbass forces against the regime know perfectly well that the Ukroarny are the rapists and murderers. And don't say "globally" without any right to do so - only the noisy bunch of NATO countries' media try to instill the "Russian crimes" mantra, the rest of the world (Middle East, Latin America, Africa, most of Asia, many in Europe) do not buy it.

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Asakaze

False. Dozens of thousands of Ukrainians who are fighting now in the Donbass forces against the regime know perfectly well that the Ukroarny are the rapists and murderers.

Not all the Ukroarmy, but certainly the Azov thugs (of which not all are Ukrainians, actually). I am looking forward to some interesting war crimes trials after this is finished (which will of course be denounced by CNN et all as "russian misinformation".)

Isnt it ironic that our media now is fully on board with supporting actual, real-life nazis, as long as they are attacking Russians?

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theFu

Russia never had any business in Ukraine since the USSR fell, unless they were invited by Ukraine - which clearly they were not.

That is what the amnesiac media are telling you now, but experts have long said something very different. How about now-CIA Director William Burns’s 2008 memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:

“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”

Is William Burns a Russian misinformation asset? You tell us.

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@WilliB

I am looking forward to some interesting war crimes trials

Fully agree. The Russians are preparing all the evidence of Ukroregime crimes - to start from the burning of gozens of people at Odessa in May 2014, then massive aerial and artillery bombardments of Donbass in 2014-22, blatant violations of Minsk peace agreements of 2015, mass killing and "disappearance" of those considered not loyal by the regime, mass tortures, rapes and maimings of innocent people. We are for the Nuremberg trials 2.0.

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AsakazeToday 08:24 pm JST

@WilliB

I am looking forward to some interesting war crimes trials

Fully agree. The Russians are preparing all the evidence of Ukroregime crimes

So while the Russians are busy fabricating evidence to swap the blame for war crimes from Russia who committed, to Ukraine who endured, their forces are out committing even more war crimes.

Meanwhile, international agencies and Ukrainian investigators are compiling evidence of vast numbers of Russian war crimes that will be tried either in Ukraine or somewhere else in Europe or both. There will be so many it will take years to hear them all. Many Russians will never again be able to leave Russia or they will face arrest for their crimes.

Firing on Nuclear plants is beyond stupid but we have seen earlier in the war that Russian troops in the field lack understanding of what their actions can bring. Case in point was sending troops to Chernobyl and digging trenches in irradiated soil and getting sick within days, but staying on for weeks before pulling out. These troops are poorly informed and atrociously led. Here again they fire on and around nuclear plants. Stupid people.

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@Peter14

Meanwhile, international agencies and Ukrainian investigators are compiling evidence of vast numbers of Russian war crimes

You mean they are busily fabricating another pile of "evidence" like those described by Denisova, the Ukroregime official who was fired after her stories about "Russian war crimes" were found to be too stupid and even detrimental to the regime's war efforts and propaganda?

Firing on Nuclear plants is beyond stupid

Ask the regime forces why they did this. I think they did it strictly according to their Nazi collaborators' forefathers' playbook: when in retreat, destroy everything, make the lives of liberated locals as harsh as possible. Hitler's Nazi did it in 1943-45, Ukronazi do it now.

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Let's remember that Zelensky is accusing Russia of not just committing the war crime of bombing civilian infrastructure, but bombing the Russian troops providing security to the nuclear site.

Russia is only saying Zelensky is committing the war crime of bombing civilian infrastructure while engaging in propaganda efforts to blame his actions on Russia.

Note that the first relies on the notion that Russian military units are deliberately shelling other Russian military units, while the second relies on the established American practice of knowingly blaming Russia for something Zelensky did (preventing the shipment of grain from the ports Zelensky still has control over by mining the grain handling parts of the port)

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Peter14

So while the Russians are busy fabricating evidence

Things like the Odessa massacre, the shelling Dombass by Ukraine forces since 2014, the Azov batallion, and the castration of Russian POWs by Azovs are "fabricated"?

Was that a typo for "documented", or are you seriously unaware of these?

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the shelling Dombass by Ukraine forces since 2014,

The shelling of separatist forces that declared war on Ukraine? That is not a crime.

the Azov batallion,

Defending Ukraine's territorial integrity is not a crime.

and the castration of Russian POWs by Azovs are "fabricated"?

It might be an individual crime if proven. It is hard to have sympathy for murderous invaders trying to steal your country. If they were not invading Ukraine they would not have been in a position to be captured. Russians have executed Ukraine POW's and I would say that is worse.

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The shelling of separatist forces 

Nice try. Except they weren’t just shelling separatist forces, they were shelling EVERYTHING!

homes schools airports on and on.

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Nice try. Except they weren’t just shelling separatist forces, they were shelling EVERYTHING!

homes schools airports on and on.

You say those are crimes, yet Russia is doing much more of exactly that. So now you admit Russia is committing war crimes. Finally your seeing the light of Russia's evil.

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