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Trump says he bears no blame for bomb suspect's actions

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The first words out of trump's mouth are always, "Not my fault," or some orientation thereof. Remember when we had a president that took responsibility?

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Seems Trump must be channeling his inner Silkk the Shocker... Ooooh, it ain't my fault. Did I do that?

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Blame lies with media outlets like MSNBC and the Washington Post who tried to spread wild conspiracy theories that the bombs were a "Russian operation to sow division and discord".

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/25/chuck-todd-fears-mail-bombs-may-be-some-russian-op/

Absolutely disgusting to see how lowbrow and unprofessional the US media has become.

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Blame lies with media outlets like MSNBC and the Washington Post who tried to spread wild conspiracy theories that the bombs were a "Russian operation to sow division and discord".

Bingo!

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What a miserable immoral monster he is.  Bombs sent to a whole bunch of people, including an attempted assassination of two former Presidents, and all he can think of is his votes. 

Trump’s malignant narcissism defies words.

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Some posters that were yesterday saying this night be a false flag, leftist operation are now agreeing that it's the division sown by the media. All the media does is report facts.

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Absolutely disgusting to see how lowbrow and unprofessional the US media has become.

The US media are NOT to blame. As long as what they report isn't illegal, slanderous, libelous, they MUST continue to be allowed to print whatever they want - for their respective markets. That includes extremist outlets like RT, Breitbart, infowars, etc.

Ultrarightists pushing for the government or any other entity to have greater control over what media report and how they report things seem to be pushing for a state controlled media like China, Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran and other totalitarian states have; they are trying to undermine 'western' democracies.

Anyone who's been to a US supermarket has probably seen the tabloid National Enquirer with headlines like 'Aliens ate my wife'. It's their Constitutional right (so to speak) to print nonsense like that. It's interesting that the National Enquirer's owner is a Trump backer and personal friend of Trump.

I have the freedom to choose what I read and believe what I read.

US leaders are the ones who need to do whatever they can to ensure they don't further divide a long divided nation.

One way to limit division-by-media-attacks would be for the US government to ensure Russian and Chinese trolls, among others, paid by their governments to meddle in US politics, are kept in check.

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Blame lies with media outlets like MSNBC and the Washington Post who tried to spread wild conspiracy theories that the bombs were a "Russian operation to sow division and discord".

Somebody sends bombs. Media reports on bombs. Media is responsible for the bombs.

Yay... I want to see the dinosaurs!!

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the US government to ensure Russian and Chinese trolls, among others, paid by their governments to meddle in US politics, are kept in check.

So you claim to advocate freedom of speech and the press but in the same breath you want the government to stifle opinions that you personally disagree with.

Why shouldn't Russian or Chinese people be allowed to express their views?

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Why shouldn't Russian or Chinese people be allowed to express their views?

Being a paid troll is not the same as expressing your personal opinion. Even Trump is calling out the Chinese for meddling in American politics now.

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Blame lies with media outlets like MSNBC and the Washington Post who tried to spread wild conspiracy theories that the bombs were a "Russian operation to sow division and discord".

The blame for the bombs is something that happened after the bombs were sent? Madness. Trump does bear some responsibility for this.

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they should of taught the words “take Blame” at his junior high school.

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@brningbush So you claim to advocate freedom of speech and the press but in the same breath you want the government to stifle opinions that you personally disagree with.

I strongly believe in freedom of speech for Americans while in the US. It's Constitutionally guaranteed and the courts have long upheld it.

I think all Americans should be allowed to read foreign publications, including those controlled by the Putin global media, China, and even by by religious extremists. But I would like to see each of those groups HONESTLY include in their publications something clearly stating that they are funded by Putin, the Chinese, AlQaeda, etc.

I want the US government to stop foreign nations from meddling in US politics, and in particular I want to see paid Kremlin trolls, Chinese or religious extremist trolls, exposed to limit causing any further damage. They've done more than too much.

I want the US government to stop meddling in other nations' politics.

If thousands of paid trolls lose their primary source of income, too bad.

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I strongly believe in freedom of speech for Americans while in the US. It's Constitutionally guaranteed and the courts have long upheld it.

Freedom of speech is constitutionally protected for any person in the US.

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"Wasn't me!"

Trump, of course, bears pretty much all of the blame short of mailing the bombs themselves. and if this were not so big, so fast, he'd be bragging about it on the Campaign trail saying, "I mean, look at our party! Look at how united we are! How about that guy who sent the bombs to the enemies of the people, right? How about that? Wouldn't want to mess with us, right? Am I right? Maybe, I Don't know. But yeah, right? I'll pay for his legal fees."

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@chipstarFreedom of speech is constitutionally protected for any person in the US.

Thanks. I stand corrected and assume that means if a Kremlin (or Chinese or AlQaeda, etc.) troll is living in the US, his 'speech' is protected. But how about if they're posting electronically from outside the US to a US based e-site?

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Thanks. I stand corrected

No worries. The 14th Amendment says people enjoy equal protection, if you're curious.

and assume that means if a Kremlin (or Chinese or AlQaeda, etc.) troll is living in the US, his 'speech' is protected. But how about if they're posting electronically from outside the US to a US based e-site?

I am not aware of any case that illucidates this. For a jurisdictional hook for criminal and civil violations, it's enough to avail yourself of commerce within the US, but that isn't the same as trolling.

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I strongly believe in freedom of speech for Americans while in the US. It's Constitutionally guaranteed and the courts have long upheld it.

I think all Americans should be allowed to read foreign publications, including those controlled by the Putin global media, China, and even by by religious extremists. But I would like to see each of those groups HONESTLY include in their publications something clearly stating that they are funded by Putin, the Chinese, AlQaeda, etc.

What a mouthful of twisted "special rights" only for some.

Here's what I believe.

Every human has a right to express their opinion.

No ifs, ands or buts and no asterisks for certain races, creeds, religions or nationalities.

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What a mouthful of twisted "special rights" only for some.

If by "some" you mean any person within the US, then okay. But that's not what you meant, was it?

Every human has a right to express their opinion.

No ifs, ands or buts and no asterisks for certain races, creeds, religions or nationalities.

This is true, for the most part, if you are physically present in the US. There have to be reasonable restrictions on speech lest society fall into anarchy.

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@burningbush Every human has a right to express their opinion. No ifs, ands or buts and no asterisks for certain races, creeds, religions or nationalities.

In a perfect world I'd agree, as a bully prof I once had said too often, but I'm not aware of that, of expressing an opinion freely, being consequence-free in any state at any time in history. Same goes with free speech on for-profit media and all forms of social media.

As limited as some might think free speech in the US might be now, I cringe thinking what it could be like if Trump, who daily attacks the media and his opponents, gains even more control. Then the US would be more like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi and other totalitarian states.

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When does CHUMP accept blame or responsibility for anything?

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"We have seen an effort by the media in recent hours to use the sinister actions of one individual to score political points against me and the Republican Party," Trump said at a political rally in Charlotte, North Carolina. The crowd yelled: "CNN sucks."

.....Moments later, in his address to members of the 2018 Young Black Leadership Summit, he returned to delivering broadsides against the media.

"Come to think of it, who gets attacked more than me," Trump told the cheering crowd. "I can do the greatest thing for our country and on the networks ... it will show bad. No matter what."

I find it interesting that members of the 2018 Young Black Leadership Summit were cheering on Trump.

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It's noteworthy that from the beginning, Trump's political popularity was largely based on his irreverence, his penchant for "telling it like it is", "giving the middle finger" to the establishment "deep state" and MSM, not being "politically correct", "making liberal heads explode", and using overheated, aggressive, angry rhetoric. "Lock her up!" and "CNN sucks" continue to whip rally attendees into a frenzy. Trump supporters, including ones who regularly post on JT, have been pretty explicit about their fondness for this exciting attack on conventional politics. (As opposed to the "boring" Obama.) Just ask bass and friends.

The new contradictory narrative running parallel to the other is that it is the "liberal media" that has misrepresented Trump the Gentle Giant, stoked tensions, and divided the country.

Cult 45 is one weird religion.

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Goodlucktoyou - they should of taught the words “take Blame” at his junior high school.

I think you mean "accept responsibility"? "Take Blame" would mean you even accept the lies being told about you.

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Had the bombs gone off and, God forbid, if anybody had been hurt, then Trump would've, should've been arrested for inciting the mobs at his rallies to commit acts of violence and terror.

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Demonstarting once again that he's as divorced from reality as he is from the truth. He is a sociopath, and needs to be removed from public life.

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No surprise here. Has Trump EVER taken responsibility for anything negative? The man was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple

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@arrestpail "Come to think of it, who gets attacked more than me,"

A privileged class man who inherited a fortune of over $400 million dollars, who had his daddy set him up and protect him, who's had paid armies of lawyers and accountants cover up his shady deals, portraying himself as a victim in front of a group of young black men? But then this is a politician who claimed no politician had ever been treated more unfairly.

Unhinged. Unstable. Unfit for any office.

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It's noteworthy that from the beginning, Trump's political popularity was largely based on his irreverence, his penchant for "telling it like it is", "giving the middle finger" to the establishment "deep state" and MSM, not being "politically correct", "making liberal heads explode", and using overheated, aggressive, angry rhetoric. "Lock her up!" and "CNN sucks" continue to whip rally attendees into a frenzy. Trump supporters, including ones who regularly post on JT, have been pretty explicit about their fondness for this exciting attack on conventional politics. (As opposed to the "boring" Obama.) Just ask bass and friends.

Wait a minute, chanting “lock her up! “ or CNN sucks (which it honestly does IMHO) is not more whipping people up than a lot of rhetoric coming from the left. What is annoying to me an a lot of conservatives is the fact that as in typical fashion with everything else, the left can never admit when their side does something wrong and get caught in the act of doing it. They demand and want Trump to tone down his rhetoric, but are completely silent when one of their own go rouge and as long as they do that, there won’t be any middle ground, on some things I feel Trump can take it down a notch, but at the same time, the hysteria on the left is just so bad. if anyone is to really blame for the division it’s the msm.

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That connived clenched fist pose Trump often poses with is too reminiscent of Mussolini to be comfortable with.

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That connived clenched fist pose Trump often poses with is too reminiscent of Mussolini to be comfortable with.

I have to admit, the left can make any pose, facial gesture, body position to look like anything threatening or racially insensitive, if they try hard enough. Well, it’s better to see that than to hear someone lecture and lecture for hours and talk down to you as if you’re an insignificant fly and your superior holds the swatter

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rhetoric coming from the left

the left can never admit 

the hysteria on the left

Now there's a new line of reasoning. The equivalent to Trump as one person is an entire group of people who all have the same way of thinking and behaving en masse. Got it.

It's pretty hard to nail down what inspired the guy who shot Scalise. He may have been a Bernie Sanders supporter, but Sanders never talked about punching people in the face or how great it is to body slam pesky reporters. Likewise, the so-called "liberal media" does not use the kind of supercharged rhetoric you see at a Trump rally. It's a lot easier to surmise what inspired Sayok to go "rouge" (as some journalists put it). He was a die-hard Trump supporter with a van plastered with many of Trump's most frequently tweeted themes and targets. That is not to say that all Trump supporters are terrorists (unlike Sean Hannity who has claimed ALL Democrats are liars), but it does put a good deal of responsibility on the president's manner of expression.

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The arrested 'perpetrater' is too mentally challenged to have carriedout this alone.

Lets see where it leads and what is revealed.

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Former stripper and professional wrestler Sayoc is gonna have lots of fun in prison...unless chump pardons him...

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Well, it’s better to see that than to hear someone lecture and lecture for hours and talk down to you as if you’re an insignificant fly and your superior holds the swatter

That depends on your mindset. I have an older brother who is much more intelligent than me and I married someone more intelligent than me. Feeling a bit stupid can be humiliating, particularly if your nose is rubbed in it, but sometimes the person who thinks he or she is the smartest person in the room often is the smartest person in the room. Respecting intelligence is important and inferiority complexes can be very corrosive in politics and I think Trump speaks to those who have this pathology.

Trump’s semi-literate gibberish at his rallies may make people feel good but it is semi-literate gibberish. For me, I’d feel my pretty average intelligence was being insulted by a man whose speeches belong in a pro-wrestling ring and I couldn’t sit in a crowd making noises which belong ina pantomime or a zoo.

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It's better to see Trump's gesticulations encouraging and condone violence than to listen to an articulate, intelligent Obama? Only in conservative LaLa Land.

The reason conservatives say Obama sounded like he was lecturing and talking down his nose is because he spoke beyond a fourth grade level. That was far too advanced for the average Trump supporters. Your ignorance does not mean Obama was lecturing or talking down his nose. ROFL. Smh. Oh my . . . Har!

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The main point is, what happens now? Will this rhetoric continue on both sides or will both sides and the media say, let’s cool down the temperature, because if you have a Democrat in office next time and the right get this bad, the left would never tolerate and rightly so, they would push back, so before that happens because revenge always go both ways, we need to come together otherwise the rhetoric will destroy the country.

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Well Obama just gave a divisive attack speech hoping for political gain , so that’s your answer.

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Well Obama just gave a divisive attack speech hoping for political gain , so that’s your answer.

False equivalency to what Trump does. Nowhere did Obama encourage violence. Keep trying.

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Hahaha. Someone thinks that Trump has to be specific to get one of his low-intelligence, fear-driven supporters to send bombs. It doesn't work that way.

No democratic leader invited the shootings in the nightclub or of Scalise. Try again.

Trump supporters can deceive themselves into thinking any politicians is worse than Trump insofar as inciting and confining violence. That's to be expected. The real hilarity ensues when they expect the rest of us to engage in that self-deception.

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Trump's words and actions evidence his responsibility.

Bernie never invited or confined violence, unlike Trump.

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Cesar A. Sayoc, the purported mailer of pipe bombs, is enbolded by the agressive rhetoric coming from Narcissus J. Trump.

Narcissus continues to be the main threat to U.S. national security and a dangerours embarrassment to the nation and the rest of the world.

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Bernie never invited or confined violence, unlike Trump.

Yes and neither did Trump, both sides these crazy people are responsible for their own actions and should never see the light of day again.

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The moral and intellectual level of people who defend Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/27/ann-coulter-didnt-ditch-conspiracy-theories-after-bombers-arrest-most-false-flaggers-didnt/?utm_term=.f34dab80fb79

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First it was a hoax and a false flag against Trump, but now the liberal media is trying to politicize it against Trump. And as always, it's never Trump's fault regardless.

Damn it, their 3-d chess is too strong.

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Trump did and does advocate violence against his perceived political opponents. He said to the press that he could tone up his violent rhetoric.

Now a progressive synagogue is being shot up.

Fascism in America. Condoned by Trump.

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Fun update: the President said it was the synagogue’s fault they were shot because the people in attendance weren’t armed.

Last year they marched shouting “Jews will not replace us” and he called them “fine people”.

Then they sent bombs and he says it’s the media’s fault.

Today they shouted “all Jews must die”, shot a synagogue up and blamed the four victims.

Trump is enabling and supporting the rise of American fascism.

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Except the shooter was a Trump hater. So now I guess political affiliation doesn’t matter and it’s back to gun control and the NRAs fault?

Yes, an armed guard would have been good to have and is actually there but only during high holy days.

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He said that he only disliked Trump because he didn’t think Trump was racist enough! He is a far-right terrorist - the type that thrives in the political environment Trump has crafted.

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Oh, also, the gunman shot three trained, armed policemen. “Good guys with guns” are a right wing fantasy.

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I should probably be surprised but I'm not - Trump supporters here criticizing the messenger (media) rather than the source of the message (Trump). But I understand that in the cult of Trump, as in any cult, absolute subservience is required - and the Great Orange One is infallible. Quite amazing how similar it is to Kim in North Korea and the Ayatollah in Iran, in addition to other one-person tyrants throughout history.

Of course, this causes a real cognitive dissonance issue for his supporters when Trump goes to his lounge act rallies and calls the media "the enemy of the people", and political opponents "Un-American and treasonous." Then his supporters go forth and act upon his words. They can't rationalize this cause and effect, so they deflect blame onto others.

Yep Trump is so insecure that he continues demonizing the media and Democrats - thus continuing the potential for the cycle of violence. When will we hear the chants of "Lock Him/Her Up" change to "String Him/Her Up"? When will these rallies turn even more into something you'd see at a KKK cross burning? The blood is on his hands.

And as I've said before, Putin rejoices...

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bonesOct. 27 11:40 am JSTWhen does CHUMP accept blame or responsibility for anything?

When he quits telling lies and shooting his motormouth off like a kid, which is never. Notice at the Montana rally it's 'Crooked Hillary' and the media he's lambasting again. He just doesn't know how to shut up!

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