Anger in Russia as 63 troops killed in one of Ukraine war's deadliest strikes

"What happened in Makiivka is horrible," wrote Archangel Spetznaz Z, another Russian military blogger with more than 700,000 followers on Telegram.

No sympathy from me.

The attack happened at 0:01 am, the intended target was the people who were gathered to celebrate New Year's.

No, the intended target was Russian soldiers invading Ukraine. There were many New Year celebrations happening all over Ukraine, and only Russian invaders were hit. Let’s not forget that Russians have not given up their strikes on Ukraine over the new year period either. Take your worthless spin elsewhere.

The specific timing of the attack is being widely reported in Russian media is fuelling angry and resentment towards the people who ordered that barracks be hit at that exact time.

What time would you have ordered the strike instead?

action reaction.remember ua parties after crimean bridge damage?

action reaction.remember ua parties after crimean bridge damage?

Russians invading Ukraine causes Russian invaders to die. There is your action and reaction.

Bronco, seems like the Russian right wing bloggers and net are upset with their own military for housing soldiers in the same building as un-camouflaged military ordinance which was targeted. Russian military commanders are at fault here.

Russian military bloggers said the huge destruction was a result of storing ammunition in the same building as a barracks, despite commanders knowing it was within range of Ukrainian rockets.

> Igor Girkin, a former commander of pro-Russian troops in eastern Ukraine who is now one of the highest profile Russian nationalist military bloggers, said hundreds and been killed or wounded in the blast. Ammunition had been stored at the site and military equipment there was uncamouflaged, he said.

Reported by Reuters carried by MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/anger-in-russia-as-scores-of-troops-killed-in-one-of-ukraine-war-s-deadliest-strikes/ar-AA15TVhh)

Yeah, right ...

" ...... the people who were gathered to celebrate New Year's."

Did you read (on reliable sites) that those eliminated were RuSSian troops?

Probably not. Oh, and it's a little more than "just" 63. Triple the amount, at least that's what ...

"Russian bloggers’ and journalists’ estimates range between 200 and 600 casualties,.." say.

Ukraine prevails!

Neither one has the knockout blow,this lost cause will go into the New Year

The attack happened at 0:01 am, the intended target was the people who were gathered to celebrate New Year's.

Not just "people." Soldiers at barracks preparing to pillage Ukraine.

The specific timing of the attack is being widely reported in Russian media is fuelling angry and resentment towards the people who ordered that barracks be hit at that exact time.

You mean the Russian state is framing the attacks in a way to gin up as much animosity and vitriol against Ukraine as possible? I'm shocked! )

There are going to be huge lineups at recruiting stations in Russia to avenge this.

I hope they don't store ammunition there, too! )

Looks like the Russian people are starting to distrust Putin's military.

There are going to be huge lineups at recruiting stations in Russia to avenge this.

More like huge line-ups at Russian borders with more young men trying to get out so that Putin can't waste their lives for the sake of his own dismal fantasy.

Wait for the answer from Russia..

The war will continue to escalate more this 2023..

Wait... Russian "boys" were targeted, is Russia sending "boys" to the front now? Military Soldiers were targeted at a military installation, not civilians. Putin sent those young soldiers into war to kill Ukrainian soldiers. A lot of Russians will also see it that way. I'm just hoping that the U.S. Govt. fully and unequivocally backs the Ukraine going forward by sending more and more weapons and equipment there. The Russians deserve to be bled dry.

Bronco: there would be protests on the streets in Russis

Which would ultimately be meaningless with Putin being an authoritarian and all that.

and calls to withdraw the military.

Which would ultimately be meaningless with Putin being an authoritarian and all that.

I don't think people understand the mentality of the Russian public.

What are your credentials, again?

This does not bode well for peace.

Invasions sometimes do that.

I don't think people understand the mentality of the Russian public.

It's been written about by brilliant Russian writers for decades. probably little has changed since the era of the tsars. The Russian public is made up mainly of castes, mostly poor people, many of whom descendants of serfs living in poverty while the ruling class live in luxury. And the ruling caste start wars to gain more territory forcing the poor people that have long been brainwashed to fight the wars while the rich sit behind long tables dining on caviar and French wines, while waiting for sanctions to end so they can get western medical help and luxury goods. The Russians once threw off the Romanovs, but today have an imperial leadership that is just as corrupt, one that should be overthrown, but given the Russian mentality most would want an animal like Prigozhin and his Wagner Group to replace Putin, so the Russian people could return to a life in tighter chains with big brother telling them what to think.

Yes , Republicans will cut off aid and hold investigation

If Ukrainian people were specifically targeted in a timed strike to maximize loss of life, there would be protests on the streets in Russia and calls to withdraw the military.

But when the Russians shower entire cities full of civilians with drone, artillery and rocket barrages its OK because…..their aim sucks?

Not sure I understand the set of principles behind your arguments here, probably because there are none.

It seems a lot more people died. The Russian army is incompetent.

This does not bode well for the Russian Ministry of Defense, who put these young victims in harm's way, without care for their safety (housing them with ammunition).

This week is the Orthodox Christmas holiday in Russia and everybody is at home with their families watching TV. Pictures of the young victims will be all over Russian media.

This does not bode well for peace.

How many Ukrainian civilians has Putin targeted and killed?

Dang it’s almost as if Russia shouldn’t have started an illegal war and attacked residences, schools and hospitals.

My heart goes out to both Ukranian people and Russian people who don't want to be in this war. Putin and his cronies are paying a heavy penalty for starting this unprovoked attack and the question what the end will bring for them all.

Wallace,how much money has Ukraine accepted from Russia,from them shipping their gas to Europe

There are going to be huge lineups at recruiting stations in Russia to avenge this

There are going to be huge lineups at border stations to avoid this.

I don't think people understand the mentality of the Russian public.

I like the way the Putin apologists’ arguments have morphed over 10 months from “We will conquer Ukraine because we are so powerful” to “You guys need to be more woke about Russian feelings, mmkay? Because this stuff hurts and what hurts most is that it seems like you guys don’t care about the hurt that we are feeling on the inside (sniff).”

The "anger" is not about the Russian lives lost (people who start wars have ice in their veins and are pathologically incapable of empathy with their cannon fodder). No, the anger is about all the embarrassing explaining the warmongers now have to do in order to placate public opinion and find excuses for the government's ultimate responsibility for the carnage.

It is a war, people die. Good PR for the Ukrainians but won't change the outcome of the war.

This does not bode well for peace.

Russia getting the hell out of Ukraine would though.

Bronco: "the intended target was the people who were gathered to celebrate New Year's."

Love it -- you talk like it's your average Joe and his girlfriend waiting for count down in St. Petersburg. It was Russian troops, at a storage dump/barracks, during an illegal invasion and attempted occupation of Ukraine. Don't want them to die? get them out. Period.

No one is going to be lining up in Russia to avenge this. No one. In fact, a lot of the soldiers were likely people Putin FORCED into going with his military conscription, and now the family will hate Putin and the government even more than they may have before. Zero sympathy.

Invade another country on a bs lie, bomb their civilians, commit war crimes too numerous to count, whine like a child when your invading forces get killed.

That the way of the Midget from Moscow. And his fan-boys.

While murdering the Russian young soldiers…

not murder, self defense…. the Russians are still occupying land stolen from Ukraine that if they weren’t, they would probably still be alive.

The killing could all stop right now if the demented dictator in Russia would step down and go the Hague to stand trial for his war crimes.

There are going to be huge lineups at recruiting stations in Russia to avenge this.

I’d hate to see their faces after they sober up and realize what they’d done in a patriotic haze.

The timing indicates that Zelensky's forces were aiming specifically to maximize loss of human life.

Maximize the loss of enemy soldiers’ lives.

Russians ought to be use to this kind of military incompetence or lack of regard for the lives of Russian soldiers. It’s a tradition from Tsarist and Bolshevik days. Got a mine field to clear? Send a battalion of infantry across it!

Good PR for the Ukrainians but won't change the outcome of the war.

What outcome is that, Mr. K? Feel free to be specific.

Russians invading Ukraine causes Russian invaders to die. There is your action and reaction.

brilliant !

I don't think people understand the mentality of the Russian public.

I do think people understand Russians have mental problems

There are going to be huge lineups at recruiting stations in Russia to avenge this.

are you going to be one of them ?

Any invading soldier is a legitimate military target, although it is more ethical and makes more sense to directly target Putin and the Russian government than conscripts.

"What happened in Makiivka is horrible,"

And what Russia has been doing in Ukraine since 2014 is horrible.

Why do the Russian people keep Putin in power?

YrralToday 07:58 am JST

Yes , Republicans will cut off aid and hold investigation

No, they wont. There is much more bipartisan support for Ukraine and to stop Russia than a handful of Russian supporters in the GOP.

While murdering the Russian young soldiers in the newly rejoined Province of Russia,

While neutralizing Russian troops illegally occupying Ukraine territory, that were put in danger by Putin sending them on this ill conceived invasion, and their commanders housing a munitions dump inside a barracks, like they had no idea what they are doing.

the intended target was the people who were gathered to celebrate New Year's."

It is true that soldiers are people, but they are also enemy combatants occupying Ukraine, and are legitimate targets.

@Bronco

How dare the Ukranians kill Russian invaders to defend their land? How dare they!

Putin is silently congratulating himself for putting criminals, including political criminals, homeless, and other underserved men, young and old, onto the front lines of his war...all the while sending rockets and bombs toward civilian targets in Ukraine. At some point Putin will get his just rewards. The sooner the better.

Putin has started this coward war and it is Putin's responsibility to stop it. Ukrainians have bravely been defending their lives, families, homes, cities, nation. Invaders are all adults and fully know their risks. Resolving issues using weapons will never result in peace, that's obvious but common sense seems to be neglected, avoided. The longer this insane war goes on, the worse the results will be. Russia has been exposing its tremendous weakness in command, strategy, despite having a much bigger arsenal and resources is being shameful. On the other side, Ukrainians have been brilliant, brain over force brute, they deserve all support from freedom believers, if Ukraine falls, the world will be in danger. Hope that the Russians give up this unjustifiable aggression, and fully pay for the damages.

Peter14,you have no idea how Republicans think,they can claw back money already approved, Bipartisan support when only a few Republicans approved the spending,do not be naive ,nothing budgeted is etched in stone

What kind of drunken moron puts troops next to an ammo dump within range of artillery?

Oh, Russians......

That makes sense.

won't change the outcome of the war.

au contraire

While Russia continue to waste their missiles & bombs on civilian targets, Ukraine are using their missiles brilliantly, destroying military targets.

putin will spit the dummy, kick the cat, & order more attacks on civilian targets. He is panicking, & making decisions on emotions.

This mindset alone is why Russia won’t win.

Ok explain this.

If as so many here and the Ukrainian government claim 100,000 Russians have been killed in the war how could 63 killed in one day be a big deal or deadliest strike.

Think about it just over 300 days of war 100,000 killed according to some here and Ukraine would mean over 300 Russians killed daily

Even if we use the 60,000 some say that is still 200 a day

If we use the USA numbers 20,000 killed we are again 60 to 70 a day killed.

So again how does 63 become the biggest or one of the biggest if the Ukrainian and western claims of Russians killed are to be believed.

Wait for the answer from Russia..

let me guess, bombing civilian targets ? Killing innocent women & children ? Wait, maybe threatening the use of nuclear weapons ?

Russia's answers are predictable & futile.

What a sick twisted unnecessary war !

your sick twisted pinup boy Putin started it - tell him !

@Bronco

The attack happened at 0:01 am, the intended target was the people who were gathered to celebrate New Year's.

Ukraine's intended target was an ammunition storage site, NOT the Russian troops who for whatever foolish reason were housed right next to it.

Please link just a single report where Ukraine has intentionally shelled/attacked NON military targets, just one, unlike Putin who was attacking civilian targets in Kiev and other cities far away from the front lines at 0:01 am! If the Russians are foolish enough to house hundreds of their own MILITARY personnel right next to ammunition storage, well, maybe Russian anger ought to be at their own leaders for allowing such stupidity!

Antiquesaving, this strike took seconds, not days. I don’t believe the highest numbers, but the numbers provided by US estimates are actually believable I think. This was one strike taking seconds. If there were only going to be a single strike per day then maybe you might be right, but it’s a lot bigger than just this and there is fighting happening all the time.

If as so many here and the Ukrainian government claim 100,000 Russians have been killed in the war how could 63 killed in one day be a big deal or deadliest strike.

Uh, because those are Russian government figures, and the actual numbers are probably much, much higher. Ukrainian figures put the death toll closer to 500-600.

Please link just a single report where Ukraine has intentionally shelled/attacked NON military targets,

Actually there are plenty, especially in the Donetsk region.

Including hotels housing non western foreign press as Al Jazeera and Hindustan Times, have reported, but oddly the Western news remained silent, in this particular case the foreign press were present they knew the direction the firing was coming from, they knew the different sound of our going and incoming fire.

But the west as usual told us that the non white non Western news sources were wrong and Ukraine said Russia shelled its own cities to blame Ukrane.

Funny how only white Europe and American news are to be believed.

@antique, casualties includes dead and wounded. You do not believe it is many tens of thousands after a year of war?

The newsworthy point is that four mortar rockets like the one pictured at top took out a college building large enough to house hundreds of soldiers and tons of munitions.

Ukraine is winning. I like winners.

Antiquesaving, this strike took seconds, not days.

Simple if 63 is a lot then how can the USA 20,000 to 30,000 be possible.

There would have needed to be strikes in the hundreds on multiple occasions as not every day would have produced between 60 and 100 a day.

This is either an exaggeration by the Media or the 20,000 to 30,000 is by the USA and certainly the 60,000 to 100,000 by Ukraine.

But it is obvious the many here are so invested in the Ukrainian numbers and propaganda that they are not capable of seeing anything else.

I don't anything Russia says but I equally don't believe anything Ukraine or the western governments say.

I try and use common sense and look at more neutral news from India and the middle east.

And if you do you will realize that 80 % of what both sides are saying are nothing but lies and propaganda.

Neither can be trusted.

Just think how upset the Russians and their fans are going to be when Ukraine starts holding targets at risk on a regular basis?

Neither can be trusted.

Yet you're still quoting Russian government figures. Lol

drawing demands from Russian nationalist bloggers for commanders to be punished for housing soldiers alongside an ammunition dump.

Why are we reading reactions and demands from bloggers?

Cards fan

Today 11:15 am JST

Actually there are plenty, especially in the Donetsk region.

> And yet you can't be bothered to post one. Lol

And what have you dismiss it because it isn't a white western news source!

Why should I bother.

But here.

https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/today-ukraine-bombed-a-donetsk-hotel-full-of-journalists-here-s-what-it-felt-like-to-be-there/

So again how does 63 become the biggest or one of the biggest if the Ukrainian and western claims of Russians killed are to be believed.

In the context of the wider war you are correct, its just another mass casualty event for the Russians among many. Its getting a lot of attention in the media today because the Russians themselves are admitting to it and talking about it, something they almost never do. This is likely because so many of the dead are recently mobilized Russians, as opposed to Wagner prisoners or Donbass militiamen, and the brazen incompetence it shows, both of which are making it way more controversial in Russia.

But yeah, within a day or two we’ll forget about it since another 63 dead Russian troops - or however many it is - is pretty insignificant relative to their total losses in the war.

Simple if 63 is a lot then how can the USA 20,000 to 30,000 be possible.

In a single day, how many seconds are there? You’re ignoring the fact that this is a single strike and 63 is the number from that, not the number from a single day, and even as this happened there was fighting in other places where probably many more were injured or killed.

On 24th February 2022 Putin the Russian leader invaded Ukraine and killed thousands upon thousands of Ukrainians. Now why should Russians get angry when a few Russian soldiers are killed in the war started by their leader Vladymir Putin?

But here.

Ah yes, world renowned Azerbaijani media. Lol Azerbaijan ranks 167th in press freedom. I'm sure the news there definitely isn't biased towards the state, which in turn is biased towards Russia! Nope, impossible! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Azerbaijan

Cards fan

Today 11:18 am JST

Neither can be trusted.

> Yet you're still quoting Russian government figures. Lol

?????

I made no Russian government figures quotes.

Not one!

Do you like inventing things people said?

I not one thing I was Russian figures you need to read correctly.

I quotes Ukrainian, USA and EU.

No Russian but as usual if your facts don't work you make false claims as to what I said/wrote!

UChoose...

What outcome is that, Mr. K? Feel free to be specific.

At some point in the future the leader of Russia (probably Putin) and the leader of what is left of Ukraine (probably General Zaluhnyi) will sit down and discuss new borders and arrangements. My guess is not too different to the front lines at the moment. But before that happens, many more unnecessary deaths on both sides.

> Cards fan

Today 11:18 am JST

Neither can be trusted.

> Yet you're still quoting Russian government figures. Lol

> 3( +4 / -1

And obviously 4 others cannot read either as they took you fake comment as fact.

I made no Russian government figures quotes.

Lol where does the 63 figure you quoted come from?

Ah yes, world renowned Azerbaijani media. 

Hey, if you aren’t getting your info from 8 month old articles on Azerbaijan’s seventh biggest news site, then you obviously aren’t sufficiently informed.

Over 100,000 Russian soldiers have been killed and wounded and NOW they're angry?

The smartest move by Ukraine would have been to appeal to these guys with leaflets and social media to assure them that if they surrendered without a fight they would be treated humanely and fairly.

There has been information about how to surrender available for months. Clearly hasn’t worked.

The numbers don't add up!

if you have 1000 undertrained recruits, who are armed with WW2 rifles, charging towards Ukrainian held positions, who are armed with the most modern weapons, & half of them are mown down, that’s 500 dead.

These type of attacks are happening on a daily basis. Putin is using the age old Russian military tactic of sacrificing their soldiers to use up the enemy’s bullets.

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-bakhmut-russia-sacrificing-troops-meat-waves/

The smartest move by Ukraine would have been to appeal to these guys with leaflets and social media to assure them that if they surrendered without a fight they would be treated humanely and fairly.

This is just pathetic.

You are literally complaining that the Ukrainians aren’t doing enough social media outreach to the soldiers invading their country.

For a guy who likes to cheerlead wars of aggression, you sure don’t understand much about war.

@antique--you say you do not believe any numbers from Russia, Ukraine, or the west. Then you lecture us to do math with sketchy alternate data to reach your favored conclusion. Is that how math works?

This attack just turned 300,000 hesitant recruits into highly motivated fighters ready to charge into battle.

no !

This attack just turned 300,000 hesitant recruits into 300,000 highly scared recruits

The 300,000 conscripts, many of whom were on the fence about this conflict are now seething with anger and want revenge

no !

The 300,000 conscripts, many of whom were on the fence about this conflict are now shaking with fear, and want out of this joke of a war

Another nationalist blogger, Rybar, said around 70 soldiers were confirmed dead and more than 100 wounded.

Rybar is a good source of info. Considered "pro Russian" but gets his info from the foot soldiers on the ground. Has shown to be factual. He is now reporting 120 dead and counting.

Lol where does the 63 figure you quoted come from?

That’s from the second paragraph of this western news article where it clearly says

Russia's defense ministry said 63 soldiers had died in the fiery blast which destroyed a temporary barracks in a former vocational college in Makiivka, twin city of the Russian-occupied regional capital of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.

I mean… only Ukrainian and western sources have mentioned this figure of 63, where it clearly says in the second paragraph

Russia's defense ministry said 63

Oh wait…

AS - Ok explain this.

You're right. It wouldn't be much, much easier to get reliable numbers from Russia. We'll just continue doing guesswork from our keyboards.

Mr. K - Thanks for your response. Do you still see Russia taking Odesa?

This level of basic operational incompetence is pretty stunning.

And to think we used to fear these morons.

The Russian “army” seems to be skilled at shelling civilians committing war crimes.

The Black Sea “fleet” is more concerned with issues of buoyancy than power projection.

The Russian Air Farse is now putting its instructor pilots in combat roles ?because that worked out so well for the Nazis and the Japanese.)

More proof, as if any was needed that untrained rabble with guns, does not an army make.