Arizona certifies Biden's narrow victory over Trump

Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis met in a Phoenix hotel ballroom a few miles away to lay out claims of irregularities in the vote count in Arizona and elsewhere. But they did not provide evidence of widespread fraud.

Claim, claim, claim all you want, Rudy, Jenna, Sidney, Donald and more. You can claim everything from it was all a bunch of stolen votes to it was a plot hatched by Hugo Chavez who died 7 years ago, to it was aliens from outer space.

But without evidence, and at this point it's very clear you have none, you're the political equivalent of a televangelist like Benny Hinn swinging his suit coat and claiming he's injecting the Holy Spirit into people. In other words, a total fraud and a sham, bilking the easily fooled out of their money in a lame attempt to continue to appear important, relevant, and most importantly, wealthy and out of jail.

Looks like the fraud-fraud has run out of gas.

There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election

NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD FRAUD!

Only those trying to further undermine America's remaining bits of democracy claim otherwise.

Trump, the Republican Party and their supporters (US and 'foreign') have done more damage to the underlying principles of the republic than any US politician and its backers ever have.

But that's what Trump and his followers said all along they wanted to do. They have made anti-democracy, pro-authoritarian despots and their followers around the globe happy.

Biden is only the second Democrat in 70 years to win Arizona. 

in other words, Trump is only the 2nd republican in 70 years to lose Arizona - loser !

The election fraud fantasy is done and dusted- the next problem for republicans is their inevitable internal civil war.

It's an interesting strategy - by Trump and Co - file several hundreds of cases, see what sticks, and if even one of them works, use that to invalidate the entire election. What happens then?

And it isn't Trump and Co money either, it's his desperate supporters willing to part from their money easily.

It's the 'Art of Undermining a Democracy'. If it weren't evil, I'd call it genius.

Who’dathunk it?

Most people actually, including the Republican Governor. Will be off trumps Xmas card list.

Another one bites the dust.

Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis met in a Phoenix hotel ballroom a few miles away to lay out claims of irregularities in the vote count in Arizona and elsewhere. But they did not provide evidence of widespread fraud.

rudy’s trying to stretch his $20,000 a day payments and the worst businessman in America is encouraging it.

The GOP followers are paying for this Rudy steal, and they deserve it.

Trump is certainly insane. A modern day Caligula.

Bob FosseToday  08:15 am JST

Who’dathunk it?

Most people actually, including the Republican Governor. Will be off trumps Xmas card list.

I doubt if he'll be too bothered. I suspect that GOP politicians will be very happy to see the back of Trump, even more so if a few dozen million of the otherwise sensible people that voted for him get tired of his pointless legal antics.

Now I start to believe Putin when he claims Russia didn't interfere. They don't have to, the stupidity circus is more than they could ever scripted!

"The Art of the Fraud" has no buyers.

in other words, Trump is only the 2nd republican in 70 years to lose Arizona - loser !

Yeah, ok...lol

I suspect that GOP politicians will be very happy to see the back of Trump,

Probably not that is, if the GOP ever want to win an election. Trump has over 70+ million followers, the GOP in their wildest dreams could never get that kind of loyalty. So if they’re smart, they’ll stay under Trump’s wing and they’ll be able to win future elections especially now that they know how the Dems play their elections based on this one.

even more so if a few dozen million of the otherwise sensible people that voted for him get tired of his pointless legal antics.

The few Trump Republican haters, not a lot of people care about what the establishment says, ask Bill Krystol or Jennifer Rubin, they’re funny Republicans and will give you a good laugh.

Probably not that is, if the GOP ever want to win an election. Trump has over 70+ million followers, the GOP in their wildest dreams could never get that kind of loyalty. 

So why didn’t they win this time? Their wildest dreams not wild enough?

So why didn’t they win this time?

Rhetorical question?

Their wildest dreams not wild enough?

Biden couldn’t be the stuff of nightmares.

So if they’re smart, they’ll stay under Trump’s wing and they’ll be able to win future elections especially now that they know how the Dems play their elections based on this one.

How did they ‘play this election’? There are baseless conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud but Biden beat Trump pretty convincingly.

Trump lost the popular vote to the widely disliked Hillary Clinton and was beaten in the EC and the popular vote by a fading Joe Biden.

Partisanship aside, is it good to stay with Trumpism? Particularly since a lot of his attraction was based on his ability as a self-promoter and non-politician?

Bass:. Trump has over 70+ million followers

Nah. The GOP has a lot of single-issue voters. Gun supporters, anti-abortionists, the religious right, etc. They could nominate a mule for President and Republicans would vote for it.

How did they ‘play this election’?

Again, rhetorical question?

There are baseless conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud

Ok, you may think that, I and over 70+ million don’t think believe that.

Partisanship aside, is it good to stay with Trumpism?

Yes, now more so than ever.

I and over 70+ million don’t think believe that.

That many may have voted for trump but saying that all of them believe the fraud claims is ridiculous.

That many may have voted for trump but saying that all of them believe the fraud claims is ridiculous.

Then you can make that same argument about Biden, more so in fact.

Fib: Between August and October alone, Trump sent six tweets saying markets would "crash" if Joe Biden were elected, using a word presidents typically avoid.

Fact: The Dow soared nearly 12% in November, its best month since January 1987. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq enjoyed their best month since April.

https://www.erienewsnow.com/story/42983642/trump-said-the-stock-market-would-crash-if-biden-won-the-dow-is-having-its-best-month-since-1987

Don't believe the Fibber...

There are baseless conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud

Ok, you may think that, I and over 70+ million don’t think believe that.

You have to have hard evidence for claims like this. What you ‘believe’ is basically irrelevant here.

There are still birthers out there, faked moon landing believers, those who believe 3 million illegals voted in 2016, QAnon crockpots etc. These people are rightly laughed at and ridiculed. They could stop the derision with hard evidence but they just don’t have it.

Ridicule is sometimes the only approach to these mindsets.

https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-favorability-already-6-percent-higher-trumps-record-poll-1551188

Polling by Gallup released Monday shows that Biden's favorability now stands at 55 percent in the wake of his victory over Trump in the presidential election. Trump's favorability currently stands at just 42 percent, and the president's highest favorability during his nearly four years in office was 49 percent—or 6 percent lower than where the Democrat president-elect's favorability currently sits.

There are baseless conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud

Ok, you may think that, I and over 70+ million don’t think believe that.

Too bad Trump's lawyers aren't part of your 70 million....

So I'll ask once again - why are Trump's lawyers stating in court; "We are not alleging fraud or that the election was stolen".....???????

I'm still hearing nothing but talk from the Trump people. If you are sincere then you must be willing to fight in a civil war on Trump's side. Talking is finished. It's not going to keep Trump in the WH. The only thing that will is an all out war of Trumps vs. non Trumps. If you are not willing to fight then you are all talk and no action and not a real Trump person

Bass;

I always wonder why despite the widespread fraud that took place, there isn't a single shot showing fraud taking place despite the fact that almost everyone carrying a smart phone in this age of smart phones with cameras. Or is it because for some reason Trump supporters or republican staffers are not allowed to carry

smart phones ?

Because of sell off and speculations of the markets, it’s stabilizing and now we see this...

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2020/11/30/get_ready_for_much_more_financial_regulation_care_of_joe_biden_651264.html

Don't believe the Fibber...

We definitely don’t believe in more paper hat jobs.

Then you can make that same argument about Biden, more so in fact.

I know it’s difficult for you to stay on topic and answer questions because you’d come up empty. But at least try.

You have to have hard evidence for claims like this.

More rhetorical questions...hmmm

What you ‘believe’ is basically irrelevant here. 

In the liberal world, I understand. In the real world it’s quite different.

There are still birthers out there, faked moon landing believers, those who believe 3 million illegals voted in 2016, QAnon crockpots etc.

Well, when you have a media censoring people from asking questions, conspiracy theories will arise and why would they not. So I don’t blame these people for trying to find out what’s real and what’s not, when the lame stream media becomes more transparent maybe we won’t have the need for conspiracy theories, but until then, liberals will just have to deal with it, it’s not going away.

These people are rightly laughed at and ridiculed.

That goes both ways.

 If you are sincere then you must be willing to fight in a civil war on Trump's side. Talking is finished.

Simmer down bub. I am emphatically not a Republican nor a Trump supporter, but I also emphatically don't want to lose my life, my loved ones of my home and business to a civil war. We have elections precisely to allow leadership changes to be accomplished without revolutions or civil wars. There is much in this to be recommended.

Been kind of enjoying the fact that Trump related news is slowly slipping from the headlines over the past week as its become apparent that he doesn't have any moves left.

Been kind of enjoying the fact that Trump related news is slowly slipping from the headlines over the past week as its become apparent that he doesn't have any moves left.

Must be embarrassing for him. How many times did he dance to YMCA? All for nothing...

The Trump supporters who believe his lies are clearly those unable to think for themselves.

All the Republicans involved in the hold of these elections have stated that they were free, fair and secure. They say it was the most secure election in history. So all those republicans, family and friends who voted for Trump, know his claims of wide spread fraud are, fraudulent claims. But the Republicans not able to take the word of the many people from their own party involved in the elections find it easier to believe lies with no proof rather than the truth from their own side. This shows a disjointed, fractured party. But the good thing for the GOP is that there are a growing number of members using their own minds to get to the truth behind Trumps lies. They may have a future as a party after all. Or they may split from the GOP and form a new honest party that real republicans and American patriots can believe in and follow.

The Democrats also have their issues but at least they have four years to prove themselves capable of doing what is right for the nation.

As always in America, nothing is exactly as it seems and the situation is always fluid. Anything could happen. How exciting.

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2020/11/30/get_ready_for_much_more_financial_regulation_care_of_joe_biden_651264.html

The US had a postal banking system called the United States Postal Savings System from 1911 through 1967. Japan has Japan Post Bank. What's the problem? For small depositors commercial banking has become a money loser. In the US at least fees are greater than the tiny bit of interest earned on small deposits, to the point where instead of saving you are effectively paying the bank to hold your money. I even experienced this with my business account and it had serious money in it. Fees upon fees upon fees. Total money pit. Less costly to just stash money under the mattress. I unbanked years ago and only use a credit union now. Not everyone has that opportunity and not every credit union is any good. One I used in the Navy suddenly required all members to keep at least $3000 on deposit at all times or close their accounts. This was back in the 1980s. I closed my accounts and went elsewhere. Postal savings banks generally promote savings by small depositors where the current commercial banking system positively deters savings.

Well, when you have a media censoring people from asking questions, conspiracy theories will arise and why would they not. So I don’t blame these people for trying to find out what’s real and what’s not, when the lame stream media becomes more transparent maybe we won’t have the need for conspiracy theories, but until then, liberals will just have to deal with it, it’s not going away.

The right does not have a monopoly on conspiracy theories but they are trying hard to make it so.

Electing a full-blown conspiracy theorist and fabulist to the office of president in 2016 will have terrible consequences.

You are a journalist writing for elite publications. Facts and hard evidence matter.

Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Ok, you may think that, I and over 70+ million don’t think believe that.

Fun Fact: over 80 million people DO believe that. I know math is hard but 80 million is more than 70 million.

The right does not have a monopoly on conspiracy theories but they are trying hard to make it so. 

Don’t censor the right and then you may see a huge drop in conspiracy speculations.

Electing a full-blown conspiracy theorist and fabulist to the office of president in 2016 will have terrible consequences. 

People with each passing day grow more and more tired of the establishment, millions love a known politician and there is no sign of the populist movement declining, quite the opposite.

You are a journalist writing for elite publications. Facts and hard evidence matter. 

Exactly and on that note stop censoring people, particularly conservatives.

Be part of the solution

Always that’s a given.

Rudy will never be remembered for 9-11 (7-11, according to Trump); he's guaranteed he'll be remembered as a sexual predator, a lunatic with hair dye running down his face, and a complete fraud. And he'll die that way.

All of Trump's lawsuits have been a massive slap in the face and flops. Dec 8 is closing in on him.

Not the rallies or his run for 2024, it’s just all getting warmed up.

Tantrum Trump splits the Georgia republicans.

Not really.

Not the rallies or his run for 2024, it’s just all getting warmed up.

Now THAT is an lol. Trump will spend every moment between 12:01 PM Jan 20th and Election Day 2024 either in a court room or in prison.

There is no way that he will run again. He is already exposed for the fraud he is. And when, not if, WHEN all the crimes he committed in office come out, that will be the end of that.

Not the rallies or his run for 2024, it’s just all getting warmed up.

Its been explained to you several times but hey, once more can’t hurt.

Try answering these questions:

How many US Presidents have had 2 non-consecutive terms?

When did it last happen?

How old will trump be in 2024?

How likely do you think it is that trump will become President in 2024?

Start at the top and work your way down.

over 80 million people DO believe that.

The 10-12 extra million can believe that or float in the middle, ok....

I know math is hard but 80 million is more than 70 million. 

Considering Dems economic history and coming from a State where economics matter and the disastrous fallout of years of Democrat less than responsible decisions, I wouldn’t toot the liberal horn.

Now THAT is an lol. Trump will spend every moment between 12:01 PM Jan 20th and Election Day 2024 either in a court room or in prison. 

No, he won’t, if he does, Hillary will be behind him as well as Comey, McCabe, Strzok and Brennan and they’re not going, Trump won’t either.

There is no way that he will run again.

He will, I know you guys don’t want, but he said so and one thing Trump does, the guy keeps his promise, not to mention the guy is ticked off.

Trump won't be the republican nomination in 2024.

Of course he will, stop listening to CNN for once

He'll be passed his sell-by-date by then. Stale bread don't sell well. He could run has an independent or join the Green Party.

I don’t know what all that meant, but...anyway...

Trump supporters are abandoning him.

Lol, where on earth are you getting this garbage? RoFL

He will, I know you guys don’t want, but he said so and one thing Trump does, the guy keeps his promise

Har! You’re joking right? Really? There is a very long list of things he has promised to do that will never happen.

Trump won't be the republican nomination in 2024.

Of course he will, stop listening to CNN for once

Well, I agree - Trump will be a nominee in 2024....

Not for President, for Chief Librarian at Rikers Island....

That's if the Warden agrees...

And, once again; why are Trump's lawyers stating in court; "We are not alleging fraud or that the election was stolen".....???????

When Biden gets the virus under control and restarts the economy, Trump and Trumpism (whatever that is) will rightly be left in the dustbin of history, much like Nazism.

Har! You’re joking right?

Biden joke either and now....

Repetitive syndrome. Linked with Election denialism.

Not at all, we just don’t believe will be force fed a bunch of garbage liberals want us to believe, no need for a cure, for liberalism there sadly isn’t any.

Looks like the Trump supporters can't let go of their Hillary ghost.

Nor liberals can’t let go of their Trump hate bloodlust, so both sides seem are now at an impasse.....

Someone's Trump and Biden predictions failed.

Mail in voting didn’t help, but now going forward we know the game plan of the Philly and Detroit political machine. Just try and hold on to the House losing 13 seats and 6 more to be called and in favor of Republicans is something Dems need to worry about.

Trump won't be the republican nomination in 2024. He'll be passed his sell-by-date by then.

Did you mean to say "He'll won't be passed his parole date by then"?

...and today's winner of the "Godwin's Law Sweepstakes" is Graham DeShazo!

But seriously, do you honestly think Joe Biden has the wherewithall to "get the virus under control"? He is limited both by the powers given the president by the Constitution and his own failing health.

The doom and gloom predictions that followed Trump's election in 2016 did not come to pass, in spite of the wailing and gnashing of teeth on the part of the left. Remember the hashtags- #resist, #notmypresident, #stillwithher? Remember the ads taken out by the Hollywood elite? Trying to convince members of the electoral college to switch their votes to Clinton from Trump? And now the same people are calling on Republicans to calmly accept the election results and atone for their sins... sorry. Somebody is going to reap the whirlwind here.

How many US Presidents have had 2 non-consecutive terms?

When did it last happen?

Grover Cleveland was elected to his second, non-consecutive, term as US President in 1892 and assumed office March 1893 at age 56. He is the only US President to serve non-consecutive terms of office.

...and today's winner of the "Godwin's Law Sweepstakes" is Graham DeShazo!

I will wear that one with honor. And many of doom and gloom predictions have come true.

And yes, Biden has the ability to do just that. It's called "competence".

It will be a refreshing change from the last 4 years.

What I see Trump doing is just like what those flat earthers did. They raised funds to send a rocket high enough to collect data to prove the earth is flat, but they proved themselves wrong.

Trump, with his phony election claims and lawsuits, is basically doing a flat earther.

I think that's true. I also think there's a psychological explanation related to his narcissistic personality disorder..

All 14 years of The Apprentice he received a celebrity's accolades and adoration....then he stepped down to run for President and started his cult-like rallies with their over-the-top worshipping...

It's clear his disorder coupled with his insecurity require him to have near constant fawning and approval...

So he'll continue to string along his supporters, for money and for the crowds...without any intention of running again in 2024.

Trump is like a deeply addicted drug user - except his drug isn't meth, it's adulation...

Ah yes, I remember all the hyperbolic pearl clutching after the Trump win in 2016. The economy would collapse, the stock market would tumble, America's allies would desert it, terrorism would flourish, war with North Korea.....

None of it happened. The economy surged for 3 years, ISIS was thrashed, peace broke out between Israel and the muslim world, North Korea is quiet, the DJIA is climbing.

So yes, wear your award with a smile, Graham.

Claiming Trump keeps his promises, is a deranged joke.

No, like his impeachment acquittal, it’s in the record books all 280 of them.

Ask the West Virginia coal miners.

Uh-huh...lol

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-coal-mining-trump-biden-2020-election-20201021.html

Trump promised he would protect their jobs

Ask the frackers, they never supported Biden

Trump is now swimming in his own swamp of hopelessness trying to convince others he's still relevant.

He doesn’t have to 70+ million think he is, that be a hell of a lot of people.

Well the economy has crashed under trump, stock markets collapsed, allies are deserting, and we don’t consider Russia and N. Korea to be allies......

And to add a few more, Democracy is being shredded, at least attempts are being made, the virus is spreading unchallenged, unemployment is rising......

I encourage trump to run in 2024, whatever money the GOP Has left after their disastrous election challenges will go down the drain with him....

Ah yes, I remember all the hyperbolic pearl clutching after the Trump win in 2016. The economy would collapse, the stock market would tumble, America's allies would desert it, terrorism would flourish, war with North Korea.....

Several of those pearls have been firmly clutched. The economy is a mess, America's allies are further away than in decades, NK is nuking up. Add to that 270,000 dead and a population on the verge of war with itself and we have ourselves a neat list of Trump's most miserable failures.

But I supposed since you have a MAGA cap then all must be well.

trump/Rudy 2024

Make America Comic Again!!!

Well the economy has crashed under trump, stock markets collapsed,

China sure did irreparable damage.

allies are deserting,

Not Israel, the Brits or the Aussies.

And to add a few more, Democracy is being shredded,

Ohhhh, liberals can’t lecture anyone on shredding democracy, doubt they even know what that is given the polices they support.

I encourage trump to run in 2024, whatever money the GOP Has left

A lot actually and Trump can and will raise more and probably these voting machines won’t be in played this time because I think they will be going forward software changes in them

But, but, Trump WON BIG!!!

Those numbers are already falling.

The rallies haven’t shown that or the parades even in California that are coming out for this President.

Trump this week lost 103,000 Twitter followers

This is very true, they’re all going to Parler and guess what, they don’t censor people, it’s like you got smacked in the face with a dose of Freedom, feels fantastic.

while Biden's increased by more than 1 million.

Uh-huh...ROLF

Many people will simply flip to be on the winning side.

All the more reason why Dems need to worry about the House.

There was quite a bit of misinformation about Arizona. One or two news outlets said Joe won, one said maybe. It was not really that close in that state but a bunch of arrogant Trump-worshipping terrorist pinheads were howling like desert coyotes and raising a hissy fit all during election week. And after Joe won Pennsylvania and Nevada shortly thereafter these morons still made a stink.

Trump lost. End the wasteful lawsuits, they're getting tossed. Stop the madness. Diaper Don needs to man up and accept the results. 80 million + Americans have spoken.

Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis met in a Phoenix hotel ballroom a few miles away to lay out claims of irregularities in the vote count in Arizona and elsewhere. But they did not provide evidence of widespread fraud.

The usual spin, they did not just meet in a Phoenix hotel ballroom, they met the Arizona state legislature in the Phoenix hotel ballroom and laid out their case of widespread fraud, another example of how subtly facts are omitted, also the picture of this meeting should have been in this article, again subtly omitted.

This is going exactly as Giuliani has planned, the Obama era blue state Judges throw out the case, this avoids any delay in the local courts, present your case in the state legislature, than immediately move to the Supreme Court.

This is very true, they’re all going to Parler and guess what, they don’t censor people, it’s like you got smacked in the face with a dose of Freedom, feels fantastic.

Great news! Parler! The rest of the word needn’t hear the same bs again and again and again. Just share insane logic with like minded folk and enjoy the freedom to be ignored by everyone else.

Do it Bass! Also don’t forget to put all your money into gold. Do it!

Biden and the socialists

If your brain allows you to imagine that the Democratic Party is "socialist" (or even "Marxist"), it will also allow you to imagine that there was mass voter fraud in every state that Trump lost. The fact is, both of these convictions are totally irrational.