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GOP-controlled Arizona county refuses to certify election

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Poor losers. It’s as simple as that.

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If they fail to follow law and refuse, then put them in jail, impeach them and have the governor remove them office for failure to perform their jobs. Block them for life from any political office in the state and congratulate the new representatives to their offices.

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“Kari Lake, the GOP candidate for governor who lost to Hobbs, and Mark Finchem, the candidate for secretary of state, have refused to acknowledge their losses. They blame Republican election officials in Maricopa County for a problem with some ballot printers.”

They need to speak to mike lindell. He’s the expert in such matters. /s

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There are numerous failures, discrepancies and inaccuracies found by election officials and individual voters.

but “someone said” everything was actually mostly ok, so just certify and move on? Nope.

investigate.

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There are numerous failures, discrepancies and inaccuracies found by election officials and individual voters.

Of course, the election results are only valid if I like the results.

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They need to speak to mike lindell.

No, they need to investigate.

Poor losers. It’s as simple as that.

Abrams didn’t get the hint either, but the left encouraged her to challenge the results.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/12/13/stacey-abrams-challenging-election-results-is-ok-when-she-does-it-n1208227

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Of course, the election results are only valid if I like the results.

no you desperately and urgently have to get it certified even with these known issues.

So that when it goes to court the judge can say “no standing” because it has already been certified.

Sorry, nothing I can look at because the election is “over”.

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In Cochise County, GOP supervisors demanded last week that the secretary of state prove vote-counting machines were legally certified before they would approve the election results.

should be super easy to prove, unless they aren’t. Again someone “said” isn’t proof. A certification certificate document is.

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no you desperately and urgently have to get it certified even with these known issues.

This is projection.

So that when it goes to court the judge can say “no standing” because it has already been certified.

Yes, we need to send it to court so Republicans can lose in court yet again.

Again, it's telling that only the races Republicans lose are claimed to be illegitimate. They certainly don't dispute the house election results!

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They certainly don't dispute the house election results!

Actually they did. It’s in the article.

That move threatens to flip the victor in at least two close races — a U.S. House seat and state schools chief — from a Republican to a Democrat.

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They need to speak to mike lindell.

No, they need to investigate.

Call the cyberninjas!

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Conspiracy theories surrounding this process surfaced in early 2021, focused on what appeared to be an outdated accreditation certificate 

So they had almost 2 years to get a certificate but didn’t?

that an administrative error had resulted in the agency failing to reissue an updated certificate

oh an “administrative error” huh? So the new certificate has been issued now?

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Yes, we need to send it to court so Republicans can lose in court yet again. 

Again, it's telling that only the races Republicans lose are claimed to be illegitimate.

Not so sure about that

https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/11/arizona-ag-launches-investigation-into-maricopa-county-election-irregularities/

They certainly don't dispute the house election results!

Funny, when Republicans have a big lead, Democrats demand every and all votes counted, mail-in ballots, postmarked and absentee ballots regardless of the time they arrive, when they can’t finish counting, they go into the night and the next day Democrats pull ahead, funny, in all pivotal states.

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Isn’t it odd that it’s Maricopa county doing this again?

I mean, after the last thorough investigation by the cyber ninjas, in Arizona, they actually found more votes for Biden instead of bamboo fibers. Then they went out of business after wasting a huge amount of time and money.

But sure, try again losers.

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Republican officials in a rural Arizona county refused on Monday to certify the 2022 election, despite no evidence of anything wrong with the count, amid pressure from prominent Republicans to reject results showing Democrats winning top races.

What a bunch of nuts and losers...

This is what MAGA-world has brought to the Repub party - a complete rejection of our Constitution and commitment to democracy....

It's now "votes only count if we win" - and if we lose, then it obviously was "rigged"...

And it was not only rigged, it was stolen by Hugo Chavez (dead) and Chinese-made thermostats...

The current Repub party is no different than the CCP and United Russia...which highlights why are so many of Repubs are Putin fan-boys wearing Chinese-made red MAGA hats...

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Pathetic GOP. The reason they complain of fraud is because they, themselves, are so fraudulent, so often. It's the thing where they are liars and cheats so they think the other side does the same.

A big reason why the GOP is so juvenile and needs to quit their conspiracy paranoid mentality, and be better human beings who care about the environment, disenfranchised rights, critical thought and care for humanity and for the USA, her constitution and democracy, in lieu of insurrection and lies.

And to quit moving the goalposts when it fits a false narrative. Who is Trump? We never loved him. LOL.

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Isn’t it odd that it’s Maricopa county doing this again? 

Yes, isn’t it?

in Arizona, they actually found more votes for Biden instead of bamboo fibers.

Well, let’s see, Lake has a right to question and ask for a recount, let it happen. Abrams questioned the process, so….

Then they went out of business after wasting a huge amount of time and money. 

Now the left complains about wasted money?! ROFL

Pathetic GOP. The reason they complain of fraud is because they, themselves, are so fraudulent, so often.

Yeah, no. Sorry, being from California cheating for the Dems is a bloodsport, I’m from OC Cali and it has always been and voted and supported conservatives and Republicans religiously and straight down the line and in 2018 they flipped and supported Democrats? Sure…

If Texas, Austin would just vote straight Republican all of a sudden the Democrats would definitely start probing and holding investigations as to why that is happening.

It's the thing where they are liars and cheats so they think the other side does the same. 

They have been. NYC, Chicago, Philly, Baltimore SF, Michigan…

A big reason why the GOP is so juvenile and needs to quit their conspiracy paranoid mentality, and be better human beings who care about the environment, disenfranchised rights, critical thought and care for humanity and for the USA, her constitution and democracy, in lieu of insurrection and lies. 

Well, if that were true then why is it that so many minorities that overwhelmingly support Democrats live in the worst social economic deplorable conditions? The left care about Chicago?? They care about New York? Remember, it was the tender loving Dems that decided to defund the police.

And to quit moving the goalposts when it fits a false narrative.

Yeah, the left have no candle to hold when making that statement.

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Actually they did. It’s in the article.

lol Nope. Reread that again:

State Elections Director Kori Lorick has said the machines are properly certified for use in elections. She wrote in a letter last week that the state would sue to force Cochise County supervisors to certify, and if they don't do so by the deadline for the statewide canvass on Dec. 5, the county's votes would be excluded. That move threatens to flip the victor in at least two close races — a U.S. House seat and state schools chief — from a Republican to a Democrat.

This doesn't say they're questioning the results. They're threatening to sue and invalidate the results if the Republicans in Cochise county refuse to certify the election results, and THAT would flip seats to the Democrats. I'm all for this by the way; Republicans shouldn't be allowed to hold up the election results in perpetuity when they lose.

Also notice I said "house election results." As in, the GOP taking back the house. None of the rightists have any problems with those results, because they won. Had they lost, they wouldn't have accepted those eithetr.

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Donald Trump on Monday declared the Arizona midterm election “yet another criminal voting operation” and demanded that defeated gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake be “installed Governor of Arizona.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-done-democracy-calls-kari-170524227.html

"Installed as Governor"....someone has been practicing his Putin and Xi impersonation...

Just one more clear example he is nothing but an autocrat, tyrant, and democracy-hating totalitarian...

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Then they went out of business after wasting a huge amount of time and money. 

Now the left complains about wasted money?! ROFL

I don’t know. How many of them did you ask?

Sure. Have a recount. Will you accept the inevitable result?

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They are failing the voters and the country.

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Finchem needs to ‘find’ 120,000 votes. There’s some high hoping.

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Had they lost, they wouldn't have accepted those eithetr.

no one is questioning any of the Senate results that Republicans lost. Even the one where the guy was winning for days after the election and lost in the last 4% somehow.

She wrote in a letter last week that the state would sue to force Cochise County supervisors to certify,

"force". why do they need to force if there are no issues.

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"force". why do they need to force if there are no issues.

Because Republicans are refusing to cooperate. Why should Republicans be allowed to hold up election results with impunity, because they don't like the results?

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lol Nope. Reread that again: 

Yes, try it.

These complaints go beyond pure speculation, but include first-hand witness accounts that raise concerns regarding Maricopa’s lawful compliance with Arizona election law,” reads the letter. “Furthermore, statements made by both Chairman Gates and Recorder Richer, along with information Maricopa County released through official modes of communication appear to confirm potential statutory violations of title 16.”

Among the potential legal violations are poll workers giving improper instructions to voters whose ballot tabulations were delayed by the issues.

“Maricopa County appears to have failed to adhere to the statutory guidelines in segregating, counting, tabulating, tallying, and transporting the ‘Door 3’ ballots,” wrote Wright. “In fact, Maricopa County has admitted that in some voting locations, ‘Door 3’ non-tabulated ballots were commingled with tabulated ballots at the voting location.

“Further, we have received a sworn complaint from an election observer indicating that more than 1700 “Door 3” non-tabulated ballots from one voting location were placed in black duffle bags that were intended to be used for tabulated ballots.”

This doesn't say they're questioning the results.

Yes, it does. That is why they’re taking this action.

They're threatening to sue and invalidate the results if the Republicans in Cochise county refuse to certify the election results, and THAT would flip seats to the Democrats.

Easy to solve all these problems. Just go back to paper ballots then neither side needs to be suspicious.

I'm all for this by the way; Republicans shouldn't be allowed to hold up the election results in perpetuity when they lose.

The Democrats as well?

Also notice I said "house election results." As in, the GOP taking back the house. None of the rightists have any problems with those results, because they won.

Funny, these problems seem to only happening in toss up states because that’s where most of the Democrats protest. Wonder why…..

Had they lost, they wouldn't have accepted those eithetr.

I don’t mind, if you want to challenge the results, go ahead, Al Gore did.

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 They're threatening to sue and invalidate the results if the Republicans in Cochise county refuse to certify the election results, and THAT would flip seats to the Democrats.

Yes, by throwing out EVERY the vote from that county. Thats how far they will go to prevent anyone from looking into these discrepancies prior to the election being certified.

You are really ok with that? Everyone who voted in that entire county has their vote suppressed and now you have voter disenfranchised that their vote was not counted.

Why all the forcing and the threatening and mocking?

show the documents to the people IF you have them.

someone "said" is not sufficient.

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Yes, by throwing out EVERY the vote from that county. Thats how far they will go to prevent anyone from looking into these discrepancies prior to the election being certified.

Then certify the results. The last time Republicans tried this stunt in Arizona, they lost be even more votes. But I'm sure this time is different.;)

Why all the forcing and the threatening and mocking?

Because time and time again, Republicans allege election fraud, and yet time and time again, they come up empty.

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Because Republicans are refusing to cooperate.

Wait! Hold up! I know you just didn’t say that, right? Lol

Why should Republicans be allowed to hold up election results with impunity, because they don't like the results?

Maybe because they take a thing or two from the Dems. Now they don’t like it when the tactics they use go against them.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/25/democrats-opposed-overturning-election-result-until-they-didnt/

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Why should Republicans be allowed to hold up election results with impunity, because they don't like the results?

Because thats not why they are holding it up.

Did you miss the machines with no certification? the uncounted ballots? the printer issues at 40+ sites? the people being told to go vote somewhere else and when they got there it said they already voted, then went back to the original place and it was closed?

Voters have filed affidavits that all these things happened.

Democrats know if they get it certified before anyone can prove anything that the courts wont undo that.

whats the rush to certify when there are known issues?

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GOP gamesmanship.

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GOP gamesmanship.

Speared on by Democrat rules.

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Speared on by Democrat rules.

The GOP strikes first with their false motives and manipulative actions, then flip their narrative ubiquitously.

It starts from GOP, as the blatant lies from a place like Fox begins and Trump exacerbates it lying so loud and often the idiot lemmings repeat his lies until they think they're in the right, and then obfuscate the truth to the point conservatives believe the lies and think the truth is the lie. Quite obviously, this has been happening for years, now.

So, no. It isn't Democratic rules, it is GOP gamesmanship as their go to method of action since Nixon.

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Just call this the "poor loser insurrectionist Repub mentality"....

It's now a mainstream strategy in the party in dealing with the humiliation and rejection of losing...

It effects several posters here, who still cling to the "Big Lie", even when Trump admitted in private to his key staff that he lost to Biden, that he is 0-61 in court proving any 2020 fraud, and that his lawyer Giuliani was forced to admit under oath that "this is not a fraud case" and to the Arizona Repub Speaker that "we have lots of theories, we just don't have any evidence"....

The scale of the delusion when confronted with facts like this just shows it is almost a mental disability...a clear rejection of reality...

One almost feels sorry for these folks....almost....

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The GOP strikes first

Sorry, the Dems started when they wouldn’t even acknowledge and tried to contest the former President’s legitimacy.

It starts from GOP, as the blatant lies from a place like Fox

Fox had nothing to do with this, other than not falling off the cliff with the other lib pundits taking one political side and not allowing the other side room at all for dissenting.

and then obfuscate the truth to the point conservatives believe the lies and think the truth is the lie. Quite obviously, this has been happening for years, now. 

Funny, the left calls out lies what it thinks are unworthy of debating and dissenting the issue they personally don’t like, if it’s about people they hate (Trump) they will force the nation to debate the issue and fall in line and force people to take an only one-sided approach to the guy and either you agree with them and their condemnation of their political foes or you are shunned and ostracized from public discourse. Those are your only options.

So, no. It isn't Democratic rules,

They were the ones that started the ball rolling. Sure, the GOP have their own problems duly noted, but at least they allow for dissenting points of political view, something devoid from the Democrats.

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Only crazy conservatives support this. Everyone else has moved on.

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Senate: Democrats 2

Governor: Democrat

House: Republicans 6 Democrats 3

House democrats Ruben Gallego 77%. Greg Stanton 56.1%. Raul Grijalva 64.5%.

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Only crazy conservatives support this. Everyone else has moved on.

Dems didn't move on from 2016, ask Maxine Waters, they still claim Trump was illegitimately elected. Everyone else has moved on, the same with J6, but anyway, it's just kinda funny hearing the left telling everyone to move along.....

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Now that Maracopa County has unanimously certified the results, Hobbs wins, Kray Kari loses.

She says to her supporters (If you haven't seen them "testifying" before the board pre-certification, it's comedy gold. I highly recommend a look. ) "I have not yet begun to fight!"

Um, .... Election is over as is the post-election challenge period. What was keeping you? A bit late now, like the Phillies saying "The World Series isn't over yet! Just you wait!" in the middle of December (Apologies for the baseball analogy. I have no cricket, rugby or soccer analogies on offer).

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But sure, an old man heading for indictment "truthing" (stifles a giggle) at 2:30 in the morning that Lake should be "installed as govenor" is a sure sign of democracy, fairness and stability.

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Now that Maracopa County has unanimously certified the results, Hobbs wins, Kray Kari loses. 

Not yet.

She says to her supporters (If you haven't seen them "testifying" before the board pre-certification, it's comedy gold. I highly recommend a look. ) "I have not yet begun to fight!"

As she should, Abrams did.

Um, .... Election is over as is the post-election challenge period. What was keeping you?

Give it time, the Dems shouldn't be in any rush.

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The "problems with ballot printers in Maricopa County" were very extensive. Hard to believe it was not intentional.

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at 2:30 in the morning that Lake should be "installed as govenor" is a sure sign of democracy, fairness and stability.

Democracy? Lock Trump up without a trail or witnesses or supporters or cross-examination, stifling dissent, that's democracy???

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Now that Maracopa County has unanimously certified the results, Hobbs wins, Kray Kari loses. 

Not yet.

Oh really? So this is???

"PHOENIX -- Maricopa County supervisors voted Monday to certify the results of the Nov. 8 election despite a parade of witnesses who accused them of everything from corruption to being traitors.

The unanimous vote by the board of four Republicans and one Democrat came after they said they remain convinced that the results reported were accurate."

Four Republicans and only one Democrat no less.

https://www.kawc.org/news/2022-11-28/arizonas-maricopa-county-certifies-election-results-despite-claims-from-republicans-of-wrongdoing

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Election is over as is the post-election challenge period

Still was a botched election with none of the issues addressed.

Notice you didnt have any comment on that, just a too bad so sad the time is over.

If it didnt take 1-2 weeks after the election to count the votes, maybe the challenge period would have been long enough to actually find out what happened and fix it.

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Constant whining about fake elections. Trump was unable to prove anything in his more than 200 court cases filed. Still does not accept the result.

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Notice you didnt have any comment on that, just a too bad so sad the time is over.

Because there are not any. Just silly accusations by nut jobs that are too stupid to merit the effort to respond to.

Sorry, b. Hobbs wins fair and square, Cray Kari loses.

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And if I were Lake, which I am eternally greatful that I am not, (Thank you God where ever you are) I would have taken action within the period to launch what would have been a lunatic, fact-free rant, but a challenge nonethelesss in time (Oh, she did? Really? How did that go for her? Oh, that badly? Well, she is... you know... nuts.) rather than saying "I have not yet begun to fight."

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Democracy? Lock Trump up without a trail or witnesses or supporters or cross-examination,

Don't worry. Trump will get his day in court, with due process. Before he is convicted.

Dems didn't move on from 2016, ask Maxine Waters, they still claim Trump was illegitimately elected. Everyone else has moved on, the same with J6, but anyway, it's just kinda funny hearing the left telling everyone to move along.....

There has never been an even remotely significant movement within the Democratic Party to overturn an election. The impeachment proceedings were not subversive, and certainly not frivolous.

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at 2:30 in the morning that Lake should be "installed as govenor" is a sure sign of democracy, fairness and stability.

Democracy? Lock Trump up without a trail or witnesses or supporters or cross-examination, stifling dissent, that's democracy???

Seems we have a bit of "selective memory" going on here, given the number of "Lock Her Up" comments by this poster over the years...

And that doesn't count the "jail" comments about Schiff, Raskin, and Nadler...

More MAGA-hypocrisy...

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All parties have their extremists, but when it comes to comical conspiracy theories, paranoia, childishness and a hostility to evidence, the lunatic fringe of the GOP is peerless.

Sensible Republicans need to get a grip of this.

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Just silly accusations by nut jobs that are too stupid to merit the effort to respond to.

yet the printers/tabulators actually didnt work in 40+ voting sites.

has been confirmed and acknowledged by everyone involved.

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She filed a public records lawsuit last week, demanding the county produce documents shedding light on the issue before voting to certify the election on Monday. Republican Attorney General Mark Brnovich has also demanded an explanation ahead of the vote.

asked for documents and explanations.

what did they get? somebody "said" (not even any names associated to it) that everything was fine. no documents. saying and said.

Nobody was prevented from voting? how can they say that when actual voters have filed affidavits that they couldnt vote?

The county responded on Sunday, *saying*** nobody was prevented from voting, and 85% of vote centers never had lines longer than 45 minutes. Most vote centers with long lines had others nearby with shorter waits, county officials said**.

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A report issued Sunday that problems with printers that surfaced on Election Day did not violate the Arizona Constitution or stop people from voting.

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