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© Copyright 2022 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.GOP-controlled Arizona county refuses to certify election
By JONATHAN J. COOPER PHOENIX©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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wallace
A report issued Sunday that problems with printers that surfaced on Election Day did not violate the Arizona Constitution or stop people from voting.
Blacklabel
asked for documents and explanations.
what did they get? somebody "said" (not even any names associated to it) that everything was fine. no documents. saying and said.
Nobody was prevented from voting? how can they say that when actual voters have filed affidavits that they couldnt vote?
Blacklabel
yet the printers/tabulators actually didnt work in 40+ voting sites.
has been confirmed and acknowledged by everyone involved.
Jimizo
All parties have their extremists, but when it comes to comical conspiracy theories, paranoia, childishness and a hostility to evidence, the lunatic fringe of the GOP is peerless.
Sensible Republicans need to get a grip of this.
lincolnman
Seems we have a bit of "selective memory" going on here, given the number of "Lock Her Up" comments by this poster over the years...
And that doesn't count the "jail" comments about Schiff, Raskin, and Nadler...
More MAGA-hypocrisy...
plasticmonkey
Don't worry. Trump will get his day in court, with due process. Before he is convicted.
There has never been an even remotely significant movement within the Democratic Party to overturn an election. The impeachment proceedings were not subversive, and certainly not frivolous.
Nemo
And if I were Lake, which I am eternally greatful that I am not, (Thank you God where ever you are) I would have taken action within the period to launch what would have been a lunatic, fact-free rant, but a challenge nonethelesss in time (Oh, she did? Really? How did that go for her? Oh, that badly? Well, she is... you know... nuts.) rather than saying "I have not yet begun to fight."
Nemo
Because there are not any. Just silly accusations by nut jobs that are too stupid to merit the effort to respond to.
Sorry, b. Hobbs wins fair and square, Cray Kari loses.
wallace
Constant whining about fake elections. Trump was unable to prove anything in his more than 200 court cases filed. Still does not accept the result.
Blacklabel
Still was a botched election with none of the issues addressed.
Notice you didnt have any comment on that, just a too bad so sad the time is over.
If it didnt take 1-2 weeks after the election to count the votes, maybe the challenge period would have been long enough to actually find out what happened and fix it.
Nemo
Oh really? So this is???
"PHOENIX -- Maricopa County supervisors voted Monday to certify the results of the Nov. 8 election despite a parade of witnesses who accused them of everything from corruption to being traitors.
The unanimous vote by the board of four Republicans and one Democrat came after they said they remain convinced that the results reported were accurate."
Four Republicans and only one Democrat no less.
https://www.kawc.org/news/2022-11-28/arizonas-maricopa-county-certifies-election-results-despite-claims-from-republicans-of-wrongdoing
bass4funk
Democracy? Lock Trump up without a trail or witnesses or supporters or cross-examination, stifling dissent, that's democracy???
Raw Beer
The "problems with ballot printers in Maricopa County" were very extensive. Hard to believe it was not intentional.
bass4funk
Not yet.
As she should, Abrams did.
Give it time, the Dems shouldn't be in any rush.
Nemo
But sure, an old man heading for indictment "truthing" (stifles a giggle) at 2:30 in the morning that Lake should be "installed as govenor" is a sure sign of democracy, fairness and stability.
Nemo
Now that Maracopa County has unanimously certified the results, Hobbs wins, Kray Kari loses.
She says to her supporters (If you haven't seen them "testifying" before the board pre-certification, it's comedy gold. I highly recommend a look. ) "I have not yet begun to fight!"
Um, .... Election is over as is the post-election challenge period. What was keeping you? A bit late now, like the Phillies saying "The World Series isn't over yet! Just you wait!" in the middle of December (Apologies for the baseball analogy. I have no cricket, rugby or soccer analogies on offer).
bass4funk
Dems didn't move on from 2016, ask Maxine Waters, they still claim Trump was illegitimately elected. Everyone else has moved on, the same with J6, but anyway, it's just kinda funny hearing the left telling everyone to move along.....
wallace
Senate: Democrats 2
Governor: Democrat
House: Republicans 6 Democrats 3
House democrats Ruben Gallego 77%. Greg Stanton 56.1%. Raul Grijalva 64.5%.
Superlib
Only crazy conservatives support this. Everyone else has moved on.
bass4funk
Sorry, the Dems started when they wouldn’t even acknowledge and tried to contest the former President’s legitimacy.
Fox had nothing to do with this, other than not falling off the cliff with the other lib pundits taking one political side and not allowing the other side room at all for dissenting.
Funny, the left calls out lies what it thinks are unworthy of debating and dissenting the issue they personally don’t like, if it’s about people they hate (Trump) they will force the nation to debate the issue and fall in line and force people to take an only one-sided approach to the guy and either you agree with them and their condemnation of their political foes or you are shunned and ostracized from public discourse. Those are your only options.
They were the ones that started the ball rolling. Sure, the GOP have their own problems duly noted, but at least they allow for dissenting points of political view, something devoid from the Democrats.
lincolnman
Just call this the "poor loser insurrectionist Repub mentality"....
It's now a mainstream strategy in the party in dealing with the humiliation and rejection of losing...
It effects several posters here, who still cling to the "Big Lie", even when Trump admitted in private to his key staff that he lost to Biden, that he is 0-61 in court proving any 2020 fraud, and that his lawyer Giuliani was forced to admit under oath that "this is not a fraud case" and to the Arizona Repub Speaker that "we have lots of theories, we just don't have any evidence"....
The scale of the delusion when confronted with facts like this just shows it is almost a mental disability...a clear rejection of reality...
One almost feels sorry for these folks....almost....
sunfunbun
The GOP strikes first with their false motives and manipulative actions, then flip their narrative ubiquitously.
It starts from GOP, as the blatant lies from a place like Fox begins and Trump exacerbates it lying so loud and often the idiot lemmings repeat his lies until they think they're in the right, and then obfuscate the truth to the point conservatives believe the lies and think the truth is the lie. Quite obviously, this has been happening for years, now.
So, no. It isn't Democratic rules, it is GOP gamesmanship as their go to method of action since Nixon.
bass4funk
Speared on by Democrat rules.
wallace
GOP gamesmanship.
Blacklabel
Because thats not why they are holding it up.
Did you miss the machines with no certification? the uncounted ballots? the printer issues at 40+ sites? the people being told to go vote somewhere else and when they got there it said they already voted, then went back to the original place and it was closed?
Voters have filed affidavits that all these things happened.
Democrats know if they get it certified before anyone can prove anything that the courts wont undo that.
whats the rush to certify when there are known issues?
bass4funk
Wait! Hold up! I know you just didn’t say that, right? Lol
Maybe because they take a thing or two from the Dems. Now they don’t like it when the tactics they use go against them.
https://nypost.com/2021/03/25/democrats-opposed-overturning-election-result-until-they-didnt/
Cards fan
Then certify the results. The last time Republicans tried this stunt in Arizona, they lost be even more votes. But I'm sure this time is different.;)
Because time and time again, Republicans allege election fraud, and yet time and time again, they come up empty.
Blacklabel
Yes, by throwing out EVERY the vote from that county. Thats how far they will go to prevent anyone from looking into these discrepancies prior to the election being certified.
You are really ok with that? Everyone who voted in that entire county has their vote suppressed and now you have voter disenfranchised that their vote was not counted.
Why all the forcing and the threatening and mocking?
show the documents to the people IF you have them.
someone "said" is not sufficient.
bass4funk
Yes, try it.
“These complaints go beyond pure speculation, but include first-hand witness accounts that raise concerns regarding Maricopa’s lawful compliance with Arizona election law,” reads the letter. “Furthermore, statements made by both Chairman Gates and Recorder Richer, along with information Maricopa County released through official modes of communication appear to confirm potential statutory violations of title 16.”
Among the potential legal violations are poll workers giving improper instructions to voters whose ballot tabulations were delayed by the issues.
“Maricopa County appears to have failed to adhere to the statutory guidelines in segregating, counting, tabulating, tallying, and transporting the ‘Door 3’ ballots,” wrote Wright. “In fact, Maricopa County has admitted that in some voting locations, ‘Door 3’ non-tabulated ballots were commingled with tabulated ballots at the voting location.
“Further, we have received a sworn complaint from an election observer indicating that more than 1700 “Door 3” non-tabulated ballots from one voting location were placed in black duffle bags that were intended to be used for tabulated ballots.”
Yes, it does. That is why they’re taking this action.
Easy to solve all these problems. Just go back to paper ballots then neither side needs to be suspicious.
The Democrats as well?
Funny, these problems seem to only happening in toss up states because that’s where most of the Democrats protest. Wonder why…..
I don’t mind, if you want to challenge the results, go ahead, Al Gore did.
Cards fan
Because Republicans are refusing to cooperate. Why should Republicans be allowed to hold up election results with impunity, because they don't like the results?
Blacklabel
no one is questioning any of the Senate results that Republicans lost. Even the one where the guy was winning for days after the election and lost in the last 4% somehow.
"force". why do they need to force if there are no issues.
Bob Fosse
Finchem needs to ‘find’ 120,000 votes. There’s some high hoping.
wallace
They are failing the voters and the country.
Bob Fosse
I don’t know. How many of them did you ask?
Sure. Have a recount. Will you accept the inevitable result?
lincolnman
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-done-democracy-calls-kari-170524227.html
"Installed as Governor"....someone has been practicing his Putin and Xi impersonation...
Just one more clear example he is nothing but an autocrat, tyrant, and democracy-hating totalitarian...
Cards fan
lol Nope. Reread that again:
This doesn't say they're questioning the results. They're threatening to sue and invalidate the results if the Republicans in Cochise county refuse to certify the election results, and THAT would flip seats to the Democrats. I'm all for this by the way; Republicans shouldn't be allowed to hold up the election results in perpetuity when they lose.
Also notice I said "house election results." As in, the GOP taking back the house. None of the rightists have any problems with those results, because they won. Had they lost, they wouldn't have accepted those eithetr.
bass4funk
Yes, isn’t it?
Well, let’s see, Lake has a right to question and ask for a recount, let it happen. Abrams questioned the process, so….
Now the left complains about wasted money?! ROFL
Yeah, no. Sorry, being from California cheating for the Dems is a bloodsport, I’m from OC Cali and it has always been and voted and supported conservatives and Republicans religiously and straight down the line and in 2018 they flipped and supported Democrats? Sure…
If Texas, Austin would just vote straight Republican all of a sudden the Democrats would definitely start probing and holding investigations as to why that is happening.
They have been. NYC, Chicago, Philly, Baltimore SF, Michigan…
Well, if that were true then why is it that so many minorities that overwhelmingly support Democrats live in the worst social economic deplorable conditions? The left care about Chicago?? They care about New York? Remember, it was the tender loving Dems that decided to defund the police.
Yeah, the left have no candle to hold when making that statement.
sunfunbun
Pathetic GOP. The reason they complain of fraud is because they, themselves, are so fraudulent, so often. It's the thing where they are liars and cheats so they think the other side does the same.
A big reason why the GOP is so juvenile and needs to quit their conspiracy paranoid mentality, and be better human beings who care about the environment, disenfranchised rights, critical thought and care for humanity and for the USA, her constitution and democracy, in lieu of insurrection and lies.
And to quit moving the goalposts when it fits a false narrative. Who is Trump? We never loved him. LOL.
lincolnman
What a bunch of nuts and losers...
This is what MAGA-world has brought to the Repub party - a complete rejection of our Constitution and commitment to democracy....
It's now "votes only count if we win" - and if we lose, then it obviously was "rigged"...
And it was not only rigged, it was stolen by Hugo Chavez (dead) and Chinese-made thermostats...
The current Repub party is no different than the CCP and United Russia...which highlights why are so many of Repubs are Putin fan-boys wearing Chinese-made red MAGA hats...
Bob Fosse
Isn’t it odd that it’s Maricopa county doing this again?
I mean, after the last thorough investigation by the cyber ninjas, in Arizona, they actually found more votes for Biden instead of bamboo fibers. Then they went out of business after wasting a huge amount of time and money.
But sure, try again losers.
bass4funk
Not so sure about that
https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/11/arizona-ag-launches-investigation-into-maricopa-county-election-irregularities/
Funny, when Republicans have a big lead, Democrats demand every and all votes counted, mail-in ballots, postmarked and absentee ballots regardless of the time they arrive, when they can’t finish counting, they go into the night and the next day Democrats pull ahead, funny, in all pivotal states.
Blacklabel
So they had almost 2 years to get a certificate but didn’t?
oh an “administrative error” huh? So the new certificate has been issued now?
Bob Fosse
Call the cyberninjas!
Blacklabel
Actually they did. It’s in the article.
Cards fan
This is projection.
Yes, we need to send it to court so Republicans can lose in court yet again.
Again, it's telling that only the races Republicans lose are claimed to be illegitimate. They certainly don't dispute the house election results!
Blacklabel
should be super easy to prove, unless they aren’t. Again someone “said” isn’t proof. A certification certificate document is.
Blacklabel
no you desperately and urgently have to get it certified even with these known issues.
So that when it goes to court the judge can say “no standing” because it has already been certified.
Sorry, nothing I can look at because the election is “over”.
bass4funk
No, they need to investigate.
Abrams didn’t get the hint either, but the left encouraged her to challenge the results.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/12/13/stacey-abrams-challenging-election-results-is-ok-when-she-does-it-n1208227
Cards fan
Of course, the election results are only valid if I like the results.
Blacklabel
There are numerous failures, discrepancies and inaccuracies found by election officials and individual voters.
but “someone said” everything was actually mostly ok, so just certify and move on? Nope.
investigate.
Bob Fosse
“Kari Lake, the GOP candidate for governor who lost to Hobbs, and Mark Finchem, the candidate for secretary of state, have refused to acknowledge their losses. They blame Republican election officials in Maricopa County for a problem with some ballot printers.”
They need to speak to mike lindell. He’s the expert in such matters. /s
theFu
If they fail to follow law and refuse, then put them in jail, impeach them and have the governor remove them office for failure to perform their jobs. Block them for life from any political office in the state and congratulate the new representatives to their offices.
plasticmonkey
Poor losers. It’s as simple as that.