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Dear North Koreans:

You may get away with killing South Korean Marines. You will be in a world of pain if you kill American Marines. You have been duly warned.

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“Escalated confrontation would lead to a war, and he who is fond of playing with fire is bound to perish.”

Oh dear. I believe the shoe is on the other foot. Either the DPRK lacks intelligence on the ability of the likes of the USS George Washington or they are planning a mass suicide as to die with their dear leader.

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Love to see North Korean defiances!

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“Escalated confrontation would lead to a war, and he who is fond of playing with fire is bound to perish.”

I think he means, playing with a 100,000 ton nuclear-powered Supercarrier aircraft carrier carrying 80 aircraft and with a Sea Sparrow SAM missile defence system.

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North Korea’s army and people are “now greatly enraged” and “getting fully ready to give a shower of dreadful fire,”The people of 'eastern stalingrad' shall never surrunder! Lets see how many people flee out of Kimpo airport with foreign passport!

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What is news about this NK was war drills all the time and even fires missiles over other countries territory but then the pro-NK poster here would call that asserting their sovereign rights as opposed to SK is just provoking NK.

What Hypocrites!

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the pro-NK poster here

They're called shills :|

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NK is stupid if they think the war games are going to be cancelled because of their tantrum....a tantrum that cost lives, and because it has, only re-inforces the need for the exercise to continue. Not only because it highlights the need for the US and SK forces to prepare for a NK act of stupidity, but to show that they won't be intimidated and dictated to by a little piss-ant aggressor.

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Why do we have to put up with these stupid people of NK? How childish and selfish are they?

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You will be in a world of pain if you kill American Marines.

Then american marines should stay home if they do not want to be killed. If they go to a useless war, there is always a possibility of dying uselessly for nothing. America is not threatened. No need to send marines to North korea. South korea should not train near North korean waters. Solution is so easy but somebody wants war.

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Why do we have to put up with these stupid people of NK? How childish and selfish are they?

They are as stupid and as childish as the other side. Everubody is guilty in this conflict.

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South Korea was invaded by the North and the Chinese and to some extent Soviet pilots etc...were also shot down during the Korean conflict, so we must understand that the real power now in North Korea is over in Beijing, and they are more afraid of losing power, the communist regime in Beijing than what is going on in North Korea. The Chinese could really care less if all of North Korea died off, but they must feel that North Korea is like the EX East Germany and once East Germany collapsed the domino effect also made it to Moscow. Here, Pyongyang falling may make those in power in Beijing crap in their pants, nothing like freedom, LIBERTAD to scare the hell out of dictators all around the world. Also from the Korean newspaper IlboChosun... **Kim Hee-sang, who heads the Korea Institute for National Security Affairs, said, "There is no clear definition in international law about what constitutes an act of war, but if an action was taken intentionally in order to achieve a political goal, it should be seen as an act of war." Moreover, as North Korea fired not only at military facilities but a civilian area, it violated international treaties that stipulate attack on civilians as war crimes.

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LoveUSA: "South korea should not train near North korean waters. Solution is so easy but somebody wants war."

But then I guess you must approve of NK doing it's own drills near the border with SK and and in the same seas just on their side of the cease fire line as well as firing missiles over other countries.

Again you are so blinded by your anti-USA and SK mindset that you are willing to ignore these facts.

Again Hypocrisy at its best.

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LoveUSA at 09:36 PM JST - 26th November "Why do we have to put up with these stupid people of NK? How childish and selfish are they?" They are as stupid and as childish as the other side. Everubody is >guilty in this conflict.

No love you just don't get it do you? The purpose of a military, and all it's equipment and drills is to PREVENT war. To FIRE AT CIVILIANS is called "Starting a war". The only guilty party here is North Korea.

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I doubt very much North Korea will do anything to invite a US relataliation. But if they do they can rest assured that their ability to unilaterally kill more South Koreans will be reduced considerably. China has been asked to reign them in and have refused. It's now all up to North Korea.

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5 million koreans died in korean war in 1950s and 80 million in 1940s war.

We are not likely to see this 1950s poor koreas scenario,it is modern days nowadays,with 1000-2000 billion USD a year economy,in koreas.

Nowadays,south korean made ships/vehicles drive the global trade of 73,000 billion USD dollars. Out every 73 dollars,1 or 2 dollars is made in koreas. Hope koreas,don't be fools,and reduce their wealth in any way.

I hope next elections,all present MPs in korea,get changed for good. South Korea's surplus hit 3 months high.

Japan also has big surplus . Nobody is really losing in China,Koreas and Japan ,if they do things more carefully . The Far East Nations/China must concentrate on wiser ways of solving problems,without being foolish.

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@rajakumar.

I would check you statistic for Koreans killed in the 1940's. 80 Million sounds much too high, possible a factor of 10.

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@jasperandy..80 million in 1940s war,is for total amount of casualties in ww2(1940s wars).

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China's so-called "Exclusive Economic Zone" (ROFL) is about to be visited .

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Looks like the North Koreans are hungry.

Give it 6 months. Cutting off food aid from China (not likely) South Korea (likely), and the U.S. (likely) will make Kim Jon ILL's bastards more desperate. Soon, more North Koreans will defect to the point that this regime will collapse.

China will then move in and declare NK a true protectorate or province of China.

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mushroomcloud:

" China will then move in and declare NK a true protectorate or province of China. "

No, it won´t.

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Erm....I'm not a political strategist or anything, but...if North Korea fired artillery at SK territory and killed 2 civilians, on top of the other 2 marines AND the sub that was torpedoed earlier - what more do they have to do before it is considered a "declaration of war"??!

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OssanAmerica at 10:50 PM JST - 26th November. I doubt very much North Korea will do anything to invite a US relataliation. But if they do they can rest assured that their ability to unilaterally kill more South Koreans will be reduced considerably.

Don't be so sure. What does NK have to lose? I would not take NK very lightly as they have vast amounts of military hardware. Also, NK has over 1,000,000 experienced ground troops. The NK operates from almost 100 bases, and most of the force's air bases are 'hardened' against attack, with many having large underground components. Some of the primary air bases have underground runways from which aircraft can be directly launched NK also has new ICBM, successfully launched the missile that flew over Japan in 2009. Problem for the U.S., South Korea and Japan might be the vast array of chemical and biological weapons that NK might be used.

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You will be in a world of pain if you kill American Marines.

Nice, empty bluster. Almost North Korean it its swagger and braggadocio. Who was in a world of pain for killing 220 Marines on October 23, 1983?

That's right. Nobody.

You don't think they know that?

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yabits,

A little bit of false equivilancy there; the situations aren't analogous. And, while the US might not go to war over two marines, the US forces in Korea are called a "tripwire" for a reason.

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And, while the US might not go to war over two marines, the US forces in Korea are called a "tripwire" for a reason.

The North Koreans appear very adept at pushing the limits of the "tripwire." The Pueblo incident back in '68 and the "tree cutting" incident in August of '76 -- in which US servicemen were killed are two examples.

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sfjp330 at 06:11 AM JST - 27th November "OssanAmerica at 10:50 PM JST - 26th November. I doubt very much North Korea will do anything to invite a US relataliation. But if they do they can rest assured that their ability to unilaterally kill more South Koreans will be reduced considerably."

Don't be so sure. What does NK have to lose?

Everything.

I would not take NK very lightly as they have vast amounts of military >hardware. Also, NK has over 1,000,000 experienced ground troops. The NK >operates from almost 100 bases, and most of the force's air bases >are 'hardened' against attack, with many having large underground >components. Some of the primary air bases have underground runways from >which aircraft can be directly launched NK also has new ICBM, >successfully launched the missile that flew over Japan in 2009. Problem >for the U.S., South Korea and Japan might be the vast array of chemical >and biological weapons that NK might be used.

China doesn't want a full blown war any more than the US, South Korea or Japan does. They will not permit North Korea to resort to WMDs. South Korea could conceivably conduct a massive preemptive airstrike to clear a 50 km range north of the borderline of all North Korean assets; artillary and rocket launchers. No land invasion, no attack on Pyongyang.

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North Korea has alwats been very adept at pushing limits; all it takes is one push too far, however.

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OssanAmerica at 06:41 AM JST - 27th November. South Korea could conceivably conduct a massive preemptive airstrike to clear a 50 km range north of the borderline of all North Korean assets; artillary and rocket launchers.

It might be other way around. What if NK conduct a massive preemptive ground force strike in Seoul? They have plenty of troops. This will disrupt their entire economy into chaos. NK is capable is doing something does not make sense.

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sfjp330 "I would not take NK very lightly as they have vast amounts of military"? SO what? I recall a regime not that long ago that scared the whole world into fearing about a nuclear holocaust. What were they called again? The USSR!! Yes, that's right. However they collapsed with a fizzle under the weight of their corruption and overexpenditure on weapons rather than spending it on feeding its population. NK is built on the same house of cards. And when it falls, all the weaponry will be scrapped and sold off as amusing trinkets to remember the idiocy of a few selfish, self-serving maniacs who had lost touch with reality and lived in their own little fantasy world before they were torn apart by their hungry citizens.

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I don't think it's really about what North Korea the country or the people or the army has to lose, it's all about what KJI has to lose. He's the only one who has anything. My guess is that he wouldn't give 2 sh!ts about a few million dead Koreans if it means he gets to stay at the top of whatever is left.

I hope that nothing happens because of the military exercise, but I have my doubts. You can talk all you want about military and numbers and technology but at the end of the day you have to face the fact that you're dealing with a leader who doesn't make rational decisions and mostly lives in a bubble. Firing on a US ship would be bad news for anyone....who is sane. For the insane it might not mean much at all. That's the real test here, to see if KJI is a man who understands or takes into account things like consequences. So far it looks like he doesn't and that's worrisome.

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KakiOko at 09:53 AM JST - 27th November. However they collapsed with a fizzle under the weight of their corruption and overexpenditure on weapons rather than spending it on feeding its population. NK is built on the same house of cards.

You bable and bable but do not provide any argument or solution and go back to ancient 30 years ago that is totally unrelated to the current problem. Russia in the past and NK of today is in a totally a different situation and different times. NK has only 24 million people but at the peak of the cold war, Russia had almost 300 million people spending around 15 percent of GDP in defense to keep up with U.S. Do you actually really think NK is worried about spending to feed the population? They don't care if their people starve. They actually have very little to lose and care very little of their people. The 90 percent of NK economy is based on assistance from China. Problem is NK has capability of major disruption in large cities and industrial complex in South Korea with one million ground force and proven ICBM. If this happens, there will be a mass chaos in both countries and economies will be affected entirely. So you bomb NK, but they do not have much in infastructure and have very little to lose in terms of their economy. In reality, this would be more of economic liability for the South Korea even if South Korea wins the battle. Best solution is to have peaceful negotiation.

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