As fires rage, Trump has head 'in the sand,' says LA mayor

Not a red state and he won't get those electoral votes so he couldn't care less about what is happening there.

Add “the country is literally burning to the ground” to the list of things Trump doesn’t care about.

Donald Trump on Sunday of being in denial about climate change

Trump's an aging baby boomer, someone with minimum regard for the lives of generations to follow. (see 200,000 pandemic deaths under Trump's watch for example)

Trump's stuck in some 1950s mythical world of American 'greatness', a time when big corporations and especially big oil ruled, when those questioning the big's powers were branded communist. A time when serious air and water pollution issues were ignored because they might limit the obscene profits made by the bigs. Trump carries that same attitude today, and his followers parrot.

Trump's beholden to the bigs still, especially big oil. He's made friends with big oil states like Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc.

Trump and his followers brand anything that might be considered 'progress', in their world doing something that wasn't done in the 1950s as subversive, communist, socialistic, or some other word whose meaning they really don't know but parrot like school boys thinking it's a bad word.

What a dinosaur is Donald Trump. He does not care about the fires because it is not about him, so he has no interest.

As for climate change, rather than see an opportunity for America to research and embrace new technology to stop reliance on climate altering fuels and technology, (That's technical and hard for Donald to understand) it is better to do more digging up of fossil fuel and burning it for energy. Keep doing the same things that are the cause of climate change because that's much easier to do.

Get rid of this poser before it becomes to late. Another 4 years of denying and his stupidity could spell the end of our civilization.

If this pandemic goes for the two to three years the Spanish flu pandemic went on for then use that time to change over industries (or at least get the planning done) to sustainable power generation, power storage and phase out the use of fossil fuels all together. The reports of amazing reduction in pollution in major cities during lock downs has lifted spirits everywhere. If it is done fast enough we can limit the damage and perhaps begin the slow process of reversal.

No mention at all of the multiple arsonists arrested.

Arsonists are not the cause of record breaking wildfires.

So no this is NOT "Climate Change", its human actions.

Climate change is the result of human action.

While the West Coast burns, Trump's thumbs just tweet. He couldn't care less: they were never going to vote for him anyway.

Mayor's right about Trump having his head somewhere.....but it's sure not in the sand.

There's no evidence that activists attacked firefighters, and KXL did not report that.

Trump has been the most dishonest politician in US history. His followers - some paid, some 'volunteer', some 'Americans', some 'foreign' - fractals off their old Trump.

That was exactly the plan.

Set the Cities and Forest lands ablaze.

Shut down the economy.

Close schools.

Demand Mail-in ballots,

Stage the riots, looting and murders....and Defund the Police.

Then blame it on Trump.....nice plan.... or so they thought.

Not working Dems!

You forgot to mention George Soros or The Storm. 3/10, barely mad at all. Step up your conspiracy theory game.

What arsonists?

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/11/antifa-wildfires-oregon-rumors-fact-check-debunked/

Hmmm....medicare for all, free education, student debt relief across-the-board, increased entitlements, defending the military and defending the police, I would tend to think so....

Gee they want to give people health care and education? Like in the rest of the world? How uh....horrible.

Trump's attitude is "not my fault... so call me if you need something".... and when they call "oh you need something, you better be nice to me and what do we get in return?"

Also:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/13/facebook-posts/fact-checking-misinformation-about-firefighters-an/

There's no evidence that activists attacked firefighters, and KXL did not report that.

You have to understand that conservatives get a visceral thrill when poor people die in agony from easily treated injuries and diseases.

so the person who introduces actual fire into a flammable environment isnt the primary cause? the flammable environment that wasnt on fire until a person with fire showed up, is the cause?

No. Arsonists have existed for millennia, but it's only now that these fires get so out of control and do so much damage so quickly.

Thats like saying my shower is responsible for making the floor wet, not me for turning it on first.

I'm saying that the infrastructure that allows water into your apartment is responsible for you being able to shower.

The point for including the older case was that in that case in California, the arsonist was responsible.

No, it's because you typed "california arsonist" into Google and went with the first result with a September date.

Now that its election soon, "Trump" is responsible. No one accused Trump back in 2018 and forest management was considered the primary cause of wildfires.

I didn't say Trump was responsible. But as POTUS, it is his job to protect the USA, and its citizens, from the very real danger of climate change. He isn't doing this. In fairness, previous Presidents haven't either, but that's no excuse. I doubt Biden will do anything either, and he'll be just as useless on this issue.

But the governors did nothing, need to blame someone, and need to link to a Dem political issue. So "climate change" it is. If that doesnt work, it will be Russians who set the fires.

Governors are also responsible for the lack of effort and interest in combatting climate change, true. I don't think Russians are interested in starting fires in the US.

ArtistAtLargeToday  01:04 pm JST

What arsonists?

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/11/antifa-wildfires-oregon-rumors-fact-check-debunked/

Googling the words used by another poster, multiple arsonists arrested, seems to confirm that there are arsonists but not the politically motivated kind.

This and every other problem that Trump can't deal with is they fall out of the spectrum of action he has taken throughout his life to confront problems. He either buys his way out, or attempts to sue the opponent into submission, neither of which work here.

So he is left with one option, blame it on everyone else, until it comes to a successful conclusion, THEN he is the one to take credit.

Wrong.

That are existing laws in these liberal states prohibiting the removal of "Dead Trees". ...... an Environmentalist's agenda.

A) All three states affected, and particularly Oregon and Washington, have massing logging industries whose main business is removing "dead trees" so its obviously not prohibited.

B) All three states allow controlled burns and other standard ways of preventing fires - we've literally been watching firefighters do that in those states on TV for the past couple of weeks.

Okay, so global warming is real. Now what? Recognizing global warming as a real thing does not reduce the number or intensity of the wild fires. What people need to do is provide actionable and effective strategies to stop the fires, and prevent new ones. It’s not the time for pushing your agenda on global warming.

End state subsidies for fossil fuel companies.

Massively increase state subsidies for green energy.

Subsidise and promote public transport instead of the car wherever possible.

Prosecute executives of companies which have damaged our environment and filled the ocean with plastic.

Set targets for the top 100 companies that produce 70% of greenhouse gas emissions to reduce their greenhouse gas outputs by a minimum of 50% in the next three years. If they fail, fine them every single day until they do.

Enact the Green New Deal in full.

Well, as a Trump supporter, I think it's just so unfair to blame our Great President for not focusing on these fires...

Speaking of ineffectiveness, where’s Newsom?

Preach brother! We don't want an executive that is in the field leading by example - we want someone who takes safety in his bunker when things get dangerous - like two elderly protesters at the WH gate...

Yes indeed, when a fire is approaching and is going to burn down your town, the first thing is not to escape, its to not panic....

Same with a hurricane - don't seek shelter; don't panic...

Why is it that liberals want people to always be afraid, afraid, AFRAID of everything?

Truth! What's 193K dead....just a drop in the bucket...we Trump supporters think it's more important to go to McDonalds...

And most importantly, as shown by his superb handling of the virus, don't take safety precautions; don't panic...

Fauci said, we don’t need to panic, so Trump is just following the experts advice.

Dang straight - remember all those experts telling us wearing a mask is "Anti-American?"

And as he has demonstrated the past four years - whatever you do - don't tell the truth....

Such a great leader!

Boy, you must hate the Democrats then....

All us Trump supporters hate Dems - we don't like anyone who tells us the truth...

In the forties, fifties and sixties there was proper management of this fuel. Governments at all levels created and maintained real fire blocks, cleared the fuel and underbrush. Today it is not a government problem but a climate problem. Even Paradise hadn't been cleaned up so it wouldn't burn down again. It is a firestorm created by neglect and ignorance...

"Please remember the words, very simple, forest management.

He is right, and who is in charge of that? Why the federal government is. That’s your department.

So tell the world. Is this admittance that the blaze is your fault Mr. President?

We’re supposed to be compassionate about their selective and political outrage?

Yes.

Hmmm....medicare for all, free education, student debt relief across-the-board, increased entitlements, defending the military and defending the police, I would tend to think so....

I'm glad you agree that defending the military and defending the police is bad. The police and the military are awful, so no-one should defend them.

This is climate change, and this is an administration that's put its head in the sand,"

More like buried head first to the bonespurs!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspected-arsonist-traveled-from-missouri-to-california-set-over-a-dozen-wildfires-on-way-to-high-school-reunion

I was disappointed to see the date on this one. I really thought you were trying harder.

Of course arsonists cause fires. That's like, the definition of an arsonist. An arsonist who didn't cause fires would just be... a person.

Climate change is the cause of the out of control wildfires spreading across California. This isn't up for debate, it's a fact. Arsonists (and imbeciles doing gender reveal parties that set trees alight by accident) contribute, but they are not the primary cause.

Well, this is what happens when you have a president who:

Never listens to the experts; only to the voices inside of his head.

Downplays any warnings of a pandemic, or climate change.

Knowingly tampers with CDC reports or have his officials change numbers to suit his own agenda.

Uses pens or Sharpies to "adjust" weather data to match his own feelings.

Bottom line is that Trump is not only a pathological liar, he is also a menace to society.

yeah the fact that there is no connection between these wildfires and global warming doesnt mean that global warming cant be real. it just means there is no connection here.

It is connected. It is the cause of the record breaking wildfires we have seen.

Which is further shown by the arrests of numerous arsonists who set these "wildfires" as the cause, not global warming.

This is not what is "shown". you do not understand how to parse evidence.

Its just politically inconvenient to have arsonists found and arrested. because then Dems cant blame Trump. they have to look at why these small fires set by arsonists could grow so big and how the Dem governors were responsible for the inaction to prevent it (hint: Forest Management- lack of)

Again, I'm not blaming Trump. He isn't helping, but nor are many other people in power. If Trump recognised that climate change is the greatest threat facing mankind and acted accordingly, it would be great. But he isn't. He thinks it's a hoax.

Logging in Kalifornia is only allowed in the Sierra Nevada....nowhere near the ranging fires today. Green lobby and environmentalist groups are more concerned about protecting wildlife sanctuary for all sorts of birds (spotted owl..etc), insects and other endangered species that even brushes and vegetation cannot be cleared.

So? You said it was prohibited to remove dead trees in liberal states. I was just pointing out that you were lying about that.

Okay, so global warming is real. Now what? Recognizing global warming as a real thing does not reduce the number or intensity of the wild fires. What people need to do is provide actionable and effective strategies to stop the fires, and prevent new ones. It’s not the time for pushing your agenda on global warming.

End state subsidies for fossil fuel companies. 

Massively increase state subsidies for green energy.

Subsidise and promote public transport instead of the car wherever possible.

Prosecute executives of companies which have damaged our environment and filled the ocean with plastic.

Set targets for the top 100 companies that produce 70% of greenhouse gas emissions to reduce their greenhouse gas outputs by a minimum of 50% in the next three years. If they fail, fine them every single day until they do.

Enact the Green New Deal in full.

Those are interesting topics for discussion, Sneezy, but how do any of those stop the fires this year, next year or the year after that? Or ever? We need solutions, not different and unrelated issues thrown out.

complain complain complain but yet I don't see any of the complainers names on the ballots as if they could do a better job. Perhaps if the Californians would have supported their President vs all the bad publicity they spent the last 3.5 yrs. maybe he would pay attention. Like the rest of the negative publicity since he took office yet they all spent that stimulus check very well.

Well, as a Trump supporter, I think it's just so unfair to blame our Great President for not focusing on these fires...

President Trump knows what's most important - DOWNPLAYING....so as not to promote panic....

Yes indeed, when a fire is approaching and is going to burn down your town, the first thing is not to escape, its to not panic....

Same with a hurricane - don't seek shelter; don't panic...

And most importantly, as shown by his superb handling of the virus, don't take safety precautions; don't panic...

And as he has demonstrated the past four years - whatever you do - don't tell the truth....

Such a great leader!

Those are interesting topics for discussion, Sneezy, but how do any of those stop the fires this year, next year or the year after that? Or ever?

They won't; nothing can. But allowing the environment to degrade to the point that fires annually become worse and more deadly, as we currently are, is going to doom us all.

We need solutions, not different and unrelated issues thrown out.

We need solutions to treat the sickness, which I have proposed. You are asking how to make symptoms disappear. These are different things. My approach is better.

LA mayor thinks seasonal Bushfires are more important than Trumps preparation to be the most powerful person in planet earth again?

Truth! What's 193K dead....just a drop in the bucket..

Darn those liberal leaders!.

Dang straight - remember all those experts telling us wearing a mask is "Anti-American?"

They also said the schools should reopen, so why liberals don’t listen to them?

All us Trump supporters hate Dems - we don't like anyone who tells us the truth...

Ahhh, the truth....For 3 years we heard them telling us their truth.

arsonist

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspected-arsonist-traveled-from-missouri-to-california-set-over-a-dozen-wildfires-on-way-to-high-school-reunion

arsonist

https://kion546.com/news/2020/09/07/woman-accused-of-intentionally-starting-fires-on-highway-101-arrested/

Well, as a Trump supporter, I think it's just so unfair to blame our Great President for not focusing on these fires...

Speaking of ineffectiveness, where’s Newsom?

Yes indeed, when a fire is approaching and is going to burn down your town, the first thing is not to escape, its to not panic....

Same with a hurricane - don't seek shelter; don't panic...

Why is it that liberals want people to always be afraid, afraid, AFRAID of everything?

And most importantly, as shown by his superb handling of the virus, don't take safety precautions; don't panic...

Fauci said, we don’t need to panic, so Trump is just following the experts advice.

And as he has demonstrated the past four years - whatever you do - don't tell the truth....

Such a great leader!

Boy, you must hate the Democrats then....

Anyone who denies climate change, they are directly responsible for these fires (that someone else was arrested for intentionally setting) too?

If they are in a position of power to change the law to do something about it, yes.

Oh my god! Congress is complicit too, as they make laws, not the President.

Yes. That's what I've been saying. The President, however, can pass executive actions and, more importantly, can use the bully pulpit to pressure lawmakers to make the right choices.

Wasnt Biden in Congress for decades? Complicit.

Yes, and yes.

You're acting like this is a big "gotcha" moment when I've literally said all this before.

its just the California governor distracting from this, by the way.

Gov. @GavinNewsom signs controversial bill into law reducing penalties for sexual relations with minors https://washex.am/3ke96GQ

Garcetti is utterly incompetent.  whatever the impact of climate change on temperatures, years of incompetent forest management are far more likely to have made these fires worse than in previous decades.  How governors and mayors blame the federal government for their own incompetence in this regard is breathtaking.

ArtistAtLarge - What arsonists?

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/11/antifa-wildfires-oregon-rumors-fact-check-debunked/

People have been arrested for arson. People have made stupid mistakes which started fires. What your linked article suggests is that after limited investigation, authorities have not (yet) found any evidence that members of political groups were responsible for starting any of these fires.

Some fires have been caused by people, but those causes aren’t necessarily intentional or criminal. At least one fire in Clackamas County this week started when an RV pulling a vehicle had loose chains dragging that sparked a nearby field.

Police and fire officials say they will investigate the causes of all the fires the state faces, after conditions are more stable and life and property are protected. For now, those officials are clear: There’s no evidence antifa or any other political group is committing arson at this time, and online speculation wastes precious resources needed to save lives.

so what is President Trumps involvement in this specific fires situation again? I dont get the Trump connection here.

Well, this is what happens when you have a president who

all right now, now we are getting somewhere on this issue!

See how just allowing Dem politicians to only blame Trump and employ tired partisan narratives such as "climate change" gets us nowhere and no actual solutions? the way you mentioned is the way to handle it from an action and accountability standpoint. Lawmakers need to start, executive finishes up.

arsonist:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/man-arrested-charged-with-arson-in-connection-with-southern-oregon-fire.html

Climate change is the cause of the out of control wildfires spreading across California. This isn't up for debate, it's a fact

Imagine being exposed to a plethora of evidence otherwise, without even a single solitary peer-reviewed study in support of your argument and saying its "not up for debate"!

I think the words you mean to use are "I will not join in a debate"

As Blacklabel pointed out, it seems one Climate Change was in California to attend a graduation and decided to set its fires there.

I hope Climate Change spends a good 20 years behind bars.

Anyone who denies climate change, they are directly responsible for these fires (that someone else was arrested for intentionally setting) too?

Oh my god! Congress is complicit too, as they make laws, not the President.

Wasnt Biden in Congress for decades? Complicit.

another arsonist

https://www.kptv.com/news/deputies-arrest-suspect-in-sweet-creek-milepost-2-fire-over-500-acres-burned/article_2f187a32-ecab-11ea-bc31-bb6be64d2bbe.html

Another day, another shock! headline to feed the flock.

Funny how Garcetti is blaming Trump for the wildfires in a state that has voted Democrat for over a generation.

Funny how even the Sierra Club admits poor forest management is to blame for the fires (along with lightning strikes and arson)

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/23/california-fires-state-feds-agree-to-thin-millions-of-acres-of-forests/

Preparations have been hampered by online claims that "extremists" are intentionally setting fires in Oregon, rumors debunked by the FBI.

Facebook said it was removing the posts.

Funny how left wing lunatics/Antifa setting fires are only "rumors" yet in the next sentence Facebook admits to deleting the organization of such.

I think Garcetti should spend a little more time concerning himself with the attempted assassination of another two police officers on his watch.

https://abc7.com/la-deputies-shot-los-angeles-shooting-compton-ambush/6420532/

So what exactly do these governors expect Trump to do to stop arsonists from setting fires? The people are getting arrested at least, when they are caught.

Trump says forest management is the key, which at least some experts agree with. Is Trump supposed to personally go there and do this for California and Oregon too?

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/wildfire/how-forest-management-can-prevent-wildfires-in-colorado/73-699aece9-e062-4ff5-9501-fa137194cb68

yep, just showing you that this has been going on for some time, arsonists cause fires even years ago, not climate change

I was disappointed to see the date on this one. I really thought you were trying harder.

Yes.

I see

Well, it really doesn’t matter what liberals say or think, we just go by what Biden and Harris said or if liberals prefer (allocating funds) either way, when the debates start they will be asked that and if Biden or Harris say they support it, if they do, that helps Trump, if they don’t, that helps Trump even more.

I'm glad you agree that defending the military and defending the police is bad.

So we should let the country turn into another Seattle and Oregon, nice. Let lawlessness prevail, sounds good to me and good for the thugs and great for Trump.

so the person who introduces actual fire into a flammable environment isnt the primary cause? the flammable environment that wasnt on fire until a person with fire showed up, is the cause?

Thats like saying my shower is responsible for making the floor wet, not me for turning it on first.

Lot of mental gymnastics there.

The point for including the older case was that in that case in California, the arsonist was responsible. Now that its election soon, "Trump" is responsible. No one accused Trump back in 2018 and forest management was considered the primary cause of wildfires.

But the governors did nothing, need to blame someone, and need to link to a Dem political issue. So "climate change" it is. If that doesnt work, it will be Russians who set the fires.

A) All three states affected, and particularly Oregon and Washington, have massing logging industries whose main business is removing "dead trees" so its obviously not prohibited.

Try harder.

Logging in Kalifornia is only allowed in the Sierra Nevada....nowhere near the ranging fires today. Green lobby and environmentalist groups are more concerned about protecting wildlife sanctuary for all sorts of birds (spotted owl..etc), insects and other endangered species that even brushes and vegetation cannot be cleared.

yeah the fact that there is no connection between these wildfires and global warming doesnt mean that global warming cant be real. it just means there is no connection here.

Which is further shown by the arrests of numerous arsonists who set these "wildfires" as the cause, not global warming.

Its just politically inconvenient to have arsonists found and arrested. because then Dems cant blame Trump. they have to look at why these small fires set by arsonists could grow so big and how the Dem governors were responsible for the inaction to prevent it (hint: Forest Management- lack of)

He is right, and who is in charge of that? Why the federal government is. That’s your department.

So tell the world. Is this admittance that the blaze is your fault Mr. President?

Wrong.

That are existing laws in these liberal states prohibiting the removal of "Dead Trees". ...... an Environmentalist's agenda.

That was exactly the plan.

Set the Cities and Forest lands ablaze.

Shut down the economy.

Close schools.

Demand Mail-in ballots,

Stage the riots, looting and murders....and Defund the Police.

Then blame it on Trump.....nice plan.... or so they thought.

Not working Dems!

Trump's an aging baby boomer, someone with minimum regard for the lives of generations to follow. (see 200,000 pandemic deaths under Trump's watch for example)

So why would these lawyers and mayors allow so many people to die.

Trump's stuck in some 1950s mythical world of American 'greatness', a time when big corporations and especially big oil ruled, when those questioning the big's powers were branded communist. A time when serious air and water pollution issues were ignored because they might limit the obscene profits made by the bigs. Trump carries that same attitude today, and his followers parrot. 

So now you’re making excuses for the arsonists and the Anti-American thugs that are destroying their own cities? We’re supposed to be compassionate about their selective and political outrage?

Trump's beholden to the bigs still, especially big oil. He's made friends with big oil states like Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc. 

As do the Democrats as well, Washington is awash with foreign money, all of it. Dems are more than happy to accept that without question.

Trump and his followers brand anything that might be considered 'progress', in their world doing something that wasn't done in the 1950s as subversive, communist, socialistic,

Hmmm....medicare for all, free education, student debt relief across-the-board, increased entitlements, defending the military and defending the police, I would tend to think so....

or some other word whose meaning they really don't know but parrot like school boys thinking it's a bad word.

It sure is!

As fires rage, Trump has head 'in the sand,' says LA mayor

Ridiculous accusation. Regardless of what Trump did or do not do, these fires are of course the result of local policies, like ground water depletion, forest management, and settlements. But totally predictable we get a party politician blaming Trump.

No mention at all of the multiple arsonists arrested.

So no this is NOT "Climate Change", its human actions.

"This is climate change, and this is an administration that's put its head in the sand," said Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, speaking on CNN's "State of the Union."