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Israel moves deeper into Rafah and fights Hamas militants regrouping in northern Gaza

This is what happens when a terrorist organization is supported by the other Arabs occupying Gaza. Israel has the right to defend itself, and has been doing so in compliance with international law even though Hamas violates international law everyday by keeping civilian hostages and torturing them.

Israel needs to keep going and get every last one.

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The war would end immediately if the hostages were released. There is no place in this world for Hamas. Anyone who celebrates their cause needs to spend a little time offline talking to real people in the area.

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Great! Now the IDF needs to push forward, and get every single Hamas fighter or at least the main targeted leadership.

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Biden says he wont provide offensive weapons for Israel's invasion of Raffa, and his administration say there is reasonable evidence Israel has breached International Law for the protection of civilians.

Thats from Israels main ally....soon to be only ally .

And to posters here, Hamas agreed to release hostages in return for a ceasefire and the right of Palestinians to move back north to their "homes " {rubble }

Israeli propaganda is tissue thin but you can read Haaretz for some honest reporting.

Netanyahu doesn't want an end to the war

And Zibala.....Israel is not in compliance with International Law as seen in the many statements from UNICEF, UN, Red Cross, MSF and now the US itself.

Israel is before the UN on charges amounting to genocide.

It's tiresome for me and embarrassing for you to have to be reminded to face reality of these charges

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Commentors here have zero feeling for babies dying from disease, starvation and bombs.

Just mind numbing attitudes.

"Go get 'em " says one poster.

I guess these posters supported the Vietnam war because of, you know , Commies.

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bass4funkToday 07:44 am JST

Great! Now the IDF needs to push forward, and get every single Hamas fighter or at least the main targeted leadership.

There will always be Hamas in Gaza. It is fate, you know.

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GuruMick- Exactly. Well said.

 “This is madness.”

It is.

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Since they complain so how American are oppossed to their government policy,it only reinforced those who believe they just want control on America foreign policy,even Egypt support trying Israel for war crimes

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The number one reason babies are dying in Gaza is Hamas. Google “human shield” and see which side pops up.

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The USA Government has been putting sanctions on violent settlers in the West Bank which seemed limited to travel bans.

Now these sanctions are ramping up to include banks and others who finance the illegal settlements, placing Israel in the precarious position of potentially alienating its use of US currency in trade and other matters.

{See Guardian Piece today for more details }

Basically Israel is moving to alienate itself from all nations in the world.

Egypt now joining SA in the "Genocide matter " in the ICJ.

Sad,sad, friendless Israel

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This is why Biden wants to stop the Bombs to Israel. Top secret ... A must watch

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jNCAhDY9Iac

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Commentors here have zero feeling for babies dying from disease, starvation and bombs.

Do you? Palestinians living under Israeli rules were happy AND thriving. Palestinian living under Hamas were suppressed, exploited for foreign aid, and had no lawful rights in Gaza.

You can't see this? You can't see that this and other miseries are all related to wholesale expirt of misery from Iran?

You can't see the difference between concert goers held hostage from terrorists.

And no, Hamas release of hostages were 'reportedly' conditional.

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Do you? Palestinians living under Israeli rules were happy AND thriving. Palestinian living under Hamas were suppressed, exploited for foreign aid, and had no lawful rights in Gaza.

Palestinians living under Israeli airstrikes are dead, maimed, homeless, jobless, starving. Israel is not what is best for the Palestinian people.

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STOP THE GENOCIDE..

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There will always be Hamas in Gaza. It is fate, you know.

True, but it takes time to rebuild their leadership structure, so they should eliminate as many as they can and give themselves a few years of breathing room.

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Great! Now the IDF needs to push forward, and get every single Hamas fighter or at least the main targeted leadership.

Killing at the same time hundreds of women and children..

Warmongering MAGA gang mentality..

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Palestinians NEVER lived under "Israeli rule "

They lived under MILITARY RULE !!!!with zero rights under the civil law Israeli's lived under.

Checkpoints, arbitrary arrests, restrictions on movement, indefinite military detention where torture was commonplace and ceaseless and relentless attacks by crazed settlers who destroy orchards, water facilities, block access roads and steal or kill livestock....then there's the killings...never investigated by Israel police or IDF.

Mate...get out of the silly Israel can do no wrong bubble and see what the reality is.

Not just me but every UN and International agency on earth is condemning Israel.

Oh yeah....it's anti semitism isnt it.

Back in the bubble then

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The number one reason babies are dying in Gaza is Hamas. Google “human shield” and see which side pops up.

There is a big difference between coerced human shields and proximal human shields. I suggest you read up on it. Besides, in asymmetrical warfare in a highly built up area, which is exactly what is happening in Gaza, how else do you expect resistance groups to fight? They have no tanks, no planes, no boats. No standing army, or navy, or air force. This isnt like Ukraine where both belligerents are on a relatively equal footing when it comes to the tools in their arsenal and the logistics of their military operations.

This idea of human shields is ridiculous and might as well be applied to how Israel builds their IDF bases in civilian areas. Because they do build their army bases in civilian areas. And guess what, when Hamas entered Israel, and moved on Re'im military base, their intended target (and legitimate target?), many of the civilians/reservists who lived in the surrounding Kibbutz were unfortunately killed. And it isnt like this is out of character for the IDF, who have a history of using human shields.

According to most legal scholars, this policy, adopted by the US, UK, and Israel, that "human shields" are fair game has been denounced as legally baseless. It is merely an excuse to commit war crimes.

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And to posters here, Hamas agreed to release hostages in return for a ceasefire and the right of Palestinians to move back north to their "homes " {rubble }

Hamas "agreed" to an offer that was not on the table.

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Gaza, Beautiful Beaches, Beautiful People, Smiles that are so warm and welcoming even in the midst of a war.

The people of Gaza have suffered for so long since 1948 to be exact at the hands of an Aggressive and Brutal occupier that is bent on destroying them and stealing their beautiful beaches and land.

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Some 300,000 of the more than 1 million civilians sheltering there have fled the city following evacuation orders from Israel, 

Israel again showing its humaneness as it gives advance notice to the Arabs occupying Gaza.

Israel graciously allows Arabs to live in Israel's lands such as Judea and Samaria and Gaza. Even when other Arab countries refuse to take them in, because of their rightful concern of terrorism.

Israel takes better care of the Arabs in the region than Hamas, who use civilians as human shileds and uses children to commit terrorist attacks.

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"Warmongering MAGA gang mentality.." Trump is the least hawkish president the US has had in recent memory.

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Geeter MckluskieToday 09:24 am JST

"Warmongering MAGA gang mentality.." Trump is the least hawkish president the US has had in recent memory.

You're going to have to explain to me how Trump prevented Hamas from making a move.

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"Warmongering MAGA gang mentality.." Trump is the least hawkish president the US has had in recent memory.

Fake news delusion only shared by MAGA acolytes, and known as clear fake news in the real world.

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As Israeli tanks penetrate deeper into Rafah, more buildings are bombed and more innocent people die beneath the rubble, the fact remains that, strategically at least, Netanyahu and his right-wing allies have caused so much death and destruction that their cause has been lost in the eyes of the majority of mankind. Don't people have a right to resist (aka defend themselves for those with an allergy to the "R" word)? The level of hate and thirst for revenge among the people of Gaza, the West Bank and Arabs living in Israel must be off the charts by now as will be levels of PTSD among Israelis who have perpetrated war crimes or even only witnessed the sight of atrocities, especially against women and children. Israelis don't yet know the heavy price the will have to bear for their sadistic butchery. Meanwhile, the world is still waiting to learn the truth of what really happened on and around October 7. One thing is certain - those who do know have ignoble reasons for their silence and keeping their dark government secrets safe from scrutiny by the people of the world.

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Israel has the right to defend itself, and has been doing so in compliance with international law.

U.S. says Israel's use of weapons may have violated international law

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Middle-East-crisis/U.S.-says-Israel-s-use-of-weapons-may-have-violated-international-law#:~:text=Rights%20group%20Amnesty%20International%20in,use%20of%20unlawful%20lethal%20force.

Also, Israel doesn't have the right to self-defense in International Law against occupied Palestinian Territory.

In fact, it has a duty to protect Palestinians living under occupation.

https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/27551

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As the Israeli regime faces the problem of what happens when your brutality that is intended to horrify people into submission instead horrifies the world and instead of installing fear in your targets, installs the stubborn strength people who have endured too much too long to be horrified of anything but giving up, the politicians of the countries backing Israel face the problem that even their children's children aren't buying into their prejudices.

It is literally a no win situation for the 'leadership' of the Israeli regime, even the 'opposition leadership', they've committed or condoned too much for even an 'unconditional' negotiated surrender to immunize them from prosecution for long. And, for the leadership of the backers of Israel, they have to wonder if today might be the last day to avoid Chamberlain's fate, and dreading the feeling it actually was months ago.

Every effort to snuff out the protests just makes them bigger, more widespread, and, worst of all from the point of view of those trying to stop them, better at countering the demonization, better at highlighting the hypocrisy, and better about getting THEIR message heard, rather than the message that Israel claims the protests to be sending.

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Also, Israel doesn't have the right to self-defense in International Law against occupied Palestinian Territory. 

In fact, it has a duty to protect Palestinians living under occupation. 

https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/27551

We are supposed to accept this opinion because it was written by someone whose uncle was a Palestinian politician who was Secretary General of the executive committee of the PLO?

As the Israeli regime faces the problem of what happens when your brutality that is intended to horrify people into submission instead horrifies the world 

"Regime". Sounds more cordial and respectable than Hamas Terrorists. Which makes sense when compared to a terrorist group that burns and beheads babies, blows up children in front of their parents, and kidnaps the elderly.

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Hamas militants have regrouped in areas the military said it had cleared months ago.

Which shows that Israel is committing war crimes in Rafah. Their excuse of eliminating the remnants of Hamas doesn't hold water if they have already left Rafah! Just another excuse for the war criminals like Netanyahu to slaughter more babies and collectively punish all Palestinians! Shameful!

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Palestinians NEVER lived under "Israeli rule "

Can I have a refund on my 1 minute of forum time please.

Where do you even get your opinions from? I didn't think Kellogs give away fictional cards anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

the majority of Arabs in Israel now prefer to be identified as Palestinian citizens of Israel.[8][9][10] International media outlets often use the term "Arab-Israeli" or "Israeli-Arab" to distinguish Israel's Arab citizens from the Palestinian Arabs residing in the Israeli-occupied territories.[11] They are formerly, or are descended from, those Arabs who belonged to the British Mandate for Palestine through Palestinian Citizenship Order 1925.....

Under Israeli law, Arab residents of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have the right to become Israeli citizens, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights

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This is what happens when a terrorist organization is supported by the other Arabs occupying Gaza. Israel has the right to defend itself, and has been doing so in compliance with international law even though Hamas violates international law everyday by keeping civilian hostages and torturing them.

50 shekels have been deposited in your account. Thank you for your service.

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Google “human shield” and see which side pops up.

Google totally isn't used a tool for propaganda or anything... hmmm...

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"Israel’s offensive has killed more than 35,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children, ACCORDING TO GAZA'S HEALTH MINISTRY, which doesn’t distinguish between civilians and combatants in its figures."

OK, well at least they realize that figure does not distinguish between civilians and combatants, but anyone who trusts the figures put out by this group are extremely gullible! The deaths on both sides of the fence here are tragic, no doubt.

Why is it that none of the surrounding Muslim countries will receive any refugees from Palestine? Why does no one want to help these people?

The problem for Israel is that many of the Palestinians are firmly in the Hamas camp. They cheer whenever Israel is bombed or whenever an Israeli is killed. They welcomed back the terrorists of Oct 7th as heroes with cheering and celebrations. They create fake videos trying to blame Israel and accuse them of war crimes that they themselves were responsible for.

And Hamas makes no secret of the fact that their goal is Israeli genocide - they want Israel erased from the world as do many other countries. How can you make peace with people who want you dead and do NOT want a 2 state solution? If the Palestinians would have used all their aid money over the years to benefit their citizens, Gaza would be an amazing place today, but instead they spent their money building tunnels and educating their children to hate and training them to fight and commit suicide.

Hamas does not care about the Palestinian people at all. They steal the aid food sent in for the people and even shoot their own people who try to get it.

Israel is probably using too much force, but I don't think people understand how evil Hamas really is.

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@zibala

We are supposed to accept this opinion because it was written by someone whose uncle was a Palestinian politician who was Secretary General of the executive committee of the PLO?

https://jacobin.com/2018/07/gaza-protests-israel-occupation-norman-finkelstein

How about Norman Finkelstein who is Jewish and had family members murdered in the Holocaust? Or is he one of those "self-hating" Jews?

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@chabbawanga

This idea of human shields is ridiculous and might as well be applied to how Israel builds their IDF bases in civilian areas. Because they do build their army bases in civilian areas. And guess what, when Hamas entered Israel, and moved on Re'im military base, their intended target (and legitimate target?), many of the civilians/reservists who lived in the surrounding Kibbutz were unfortunately killed. And it isnt like this is out of character for the IDF, who have a history of using human shields.

I see, so you see no problem with using hospitals and schools for military activities? And firing rockets from the middle of civilian areas? Got it.

Hamas' intended target was a military target? LOL! What in the world are you talking about. Like the mass slaughter and kidnapping of civilians at the concert? RIGHT!Perhaps they wanted to take out the military posts protecting the people of the kibbutz, but the murders, torture, and rapes of the civilians was not an "unfortunate result of the attacks on the military installations." These were targeted attacks on civilians. Terrorists returning to Palestine with bodies or hostages were welcomed back as heroes and the hostages assaulted. What universe are you living in? Anyone who has even the tiniest bit of praise or sympathy for Hamas has NO IDEA who these people are. Sorry. It's just the truth.

No doubt there have been atrocities on both sides though so Israel does not escape criticism either.

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Why is it that none of the surrounding Muslim countries will receive any refugees from Palestine? Why does no one want to help these people?

Yep, good question. The same Muslim countries that wanted to erase Israel from the map during the 1967 war (but should have been called genocide because that was their intent).

Since 1967 war, If you were an Israeli wouldn't you want to occupy the west bank as well? Or would you just sit around and wait for the next invasion?

Similarly Palestinian pretends to be workers in Israel but carry out terrorism instead, then all Palestinian complain about checkpoints setup to keep terrorism out.

Then there's Oct 7th conducted by Palestinians against women and children, but Palestinian says Israel can't prevent the next one, can't get hostages back, can't defend itself.

The Palestinian just can't help but gravitate towards lawlessness and violence but expect their targets to be silent and benign, and going by Palestinian shop keepers views in Jerusalem, I'd be inclined to think they are cut from the same cloth and none deserve to be listened to.

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@tjguy

Hamas' intended target was a military target? LOL! 

Worth a read. Just as trustworthy as anything coming out of Israel.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/hamas-releases-report-clarifying-operation-al-aqsa-flood/3115099

I see, so you see no problem with using hospitals and schools for military activities? And firing rockets from the middle of civilian areas? Got it.

Gaza is a city state, the whole area is civilian area. Where else are the supposed to fire missiles from, they dont have an air force, or a navy? As for the use of hospitals and schools as terror HQs, we still have no evidence. Please provide some if you have it. A few AKs, or a misplaced kevlar is not reason to demolish a hospital, killing patients and doctors, and leaving premature babies to die.

the murders, torture, and rapes of the civilians was not an "unfortunate result of the attacks on the military installations." 

This is the exact same line Israel uses to justify the deaths of thousands of innocent children. Thousands, not tens like October 7th. Neither is acceptable. And there is still no evidence of rapes. Not to say there werent any, but there is no evidence, and Israel wont allow an independent investigation.

 What universe are you living in?

A messed up one, where thousands of children are dying and all people can come up with is "Do you condemn Hamas".

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