As Omicron looms, U.S. is still battling Delta wave

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-12-02/man-diagnosed-with-omicron-variant-of-covid-19-attended-anime-nyc/.180209

Looks like Omicron has hit the US with little fanfare... Seems like it's no worse than Delta at this point.

Looks like Omicron has hit the US with little fanfare... Seems like it's no worse than Delta at this point.

Three cases and we're making blanket statements. Nice.

It’s going to be wave after wave until we stop politicizing public Heath and follow the science. Vaccines, boosters, masks and social distancing work.

Blanket statements with using "anime new network" as a source.

Cherry pickers gonna cherry pick.

Two years into the outbreak, COVID-19 has killed over 780,000 Americans, and deaths are running at about 900 per day.

and in Japan 18,000 deaths 1 death a day.

Not bad for a country run by old men.

Bit of a misleading article. It says "COVID has killed over 780,000 Americans". Untrue. Those people died WITH Covid, not FROM Covid. The vast majority had other conditions that were contributing factors to their demise, even more so than Covid. Very few otherwise healthy folks pass away from it.

This explains Japan's relative success. Compared to the US and other western countries, fewer people in Japan suffer from diabetes, obesity, respiratory disease, drug addiction, etc- all of which are huge factors in Covid mortality.

In some of those highly vaccinated liberal states there are so few unvaccinated left that after a few weeks every single unvaccinated person would have been infected by now.

the math doesn’t add up that it’s mostly unvaccinated people in these states that are setting new COVID case records in Dec 2021.

It’s going to be wave after wave until we stop politicizing public Heath and follow the science. Vaccines, boosters, masks and social distancing work.

The contradictory logic in this statement is remarkable. If those above methods worked, why are we getting these waves of variants? Where does the science lead when followed? The promise land?

Yep 42% Obesity rates in the US has had a major contribution to the death rates there as opposed to Japan.

Your chance of dying of the corona virus is 50% higher in the red states. What does that tell you?

 If those above methods worked, why are we getting these waves of variants?

The measures work as long as everybody follow them, if a sizeable portion of the population refuses to do it it is obvious their effects will be reduced or even negated.

Is like washing your hands before preparing food, washing only one hand do not means food poisoning will only happen half of the time.

It’s going to be wave after wave until we stop politicizing public Heath and follow the science. Vaccines, boosters, masks and social distancing work.

Stop spreading misinformation. My brother was vaxxed and he caught it. His wife was vaxxed and she caught it from him. The vaxx may help with the symptoms, but does not stop the virus from spreading.

The vaxx may help with the symptoms, but does not stop the virus from spreading.

Read the fine print. It is the symptons that kill you.

Read the fine print. It is the symptons that kill you.

yeah, too bad that’s not what we’re chitchatting about.

The measures work as long as everybody follow them

I would be inclined to agree with you if there were either evidence of this claim or an historical precedent that backs this up. But there aren't either of those. It's really a hypothetical more than a practical approach.

Stop spreading misinformation. My brother was vaxxed and he caught it. His wife was vaxxed and she caught it from him. The vaxx may help with the symptoms, but does not stop the virus from spreading.

Your N=2 anecdotal evidence is not enough to contradict the huge amout of evidence from millions of vaccinated people, vaccinating helps with the symptoms, complications, hospitalizations, deaths AND also reduces the rates of infection and transmission from vaccinated people.

I would be inclined to agree with you if there were either evidence of this claim or an historical precedent that backs this up. But there aren't either of those. It's really a hypothetical more than a practical approach.

There are ways to conclude things even with new or incomplete data as long as it is examined scientifically, specially if relevant examples are available to support the conclusions, where do you think measles outbreaks happen? in well vaccinated populations? where do you think polio has been controlled? why do you think the latests influenza seasons have not seen big outbreaks? just coincidence?

The measures work, if most of the population keep them outbreaks are controlled, as is likely happening in Japan. They hypothesis of measures against COVID being effective is not just a guess, but it is supported by the available evidence and allows for predictions to be made in the short term.

There is still no evidence that the past years extreme measures have "worked". They weren't executed in a scientific way and the results haven't been tested or verified. If you compare mRNA therapies to the measles or polio vaccines, they come up very inefficient. Those vaccine programs worked because they offered a significant level of immunity to a targeted group. I think it's very obvious that people really want these ideas to be true that all the measures have somehow worked. It would be great if to were that simple. The growing mountain of data suggests otherwise.

The measures work, if most of the population keep them outbreaks are controlled, as is likely happening in Japan. They hypothesis of measures against COVID being effective is not just a guess, but it is supported by the available evidence and allows for predictions to be made in the short term.

But in America not only has there been these liars in the media (and religions) spreading misinformation, but those shysters themselves have been getting CoVid and dying. Still, their lies have caused other deaths.

Trump's irresponsibility and the unrestful crap he stirred up last year has resulted in half a million deaths alone. Joe has and is addressing the problem but you have so many people eager to get back to theaters, sports games and concerts (never mind school and school activities) and we just ain't ready for it yet. All year long I've seen everything from crowded stadiums on TV hosting football games, people going shopping and dining out w/o any protection whatsoever, people going to church as if nothing is going on, etc. They're not taking this seriously enough, they've been visiting family en masse this past Thanksgiving and more holidays are coming up.

Yeah the measures work but too many people in America aren't taking it seriously enough and they're causing problems for everyone concerned.

these highly vaccinated states are following the measures.

Yet look at their COVID case rates, high anyway.

There is still no evidence that the past years extreme measures have "worked".

Yes, there is and plenty, with literally dozens of papers of different degrees of quality showing the value of the measures above any reasonable doubt.

Saying that you personally ignore something is a terribly bad argument to say that something does not exist. If the best scientific journals and their peer reviewers (and scientific audience) say the studies are of good scientific quality while you say they are not, it is quite obvious who is wrong.

If you compare mRNA therapies to the measles or polio vaccines, they come up very inefficient

Completely wrong, your flawed comparison is based on the differences in the rates of immunity, if it is above the levels to reach herd immunity that is obviously much better, but if you compare outbreaks of polio and measles in populations without it (as in where not everybody is immunized) you can see outbreaks happening the same as in COVID, and if you test for infection even in abscence of symptoms you can also see a lot of people become asymptomatic carriers of polio or measles, the difference is that once herd immunity is reached the asymptomatic people are no longer important, transmission is stopped even with them.

So no, previous vaccines do not work as perfectly as you think, they also allow for breakthroughs, transmission and vaccinated people to get sick and die. The huge difference is that when everybody is already vaccinated the transmission stops, this level has not been reached with COVID.

The other problem of your argument is thinking something must be 100% effective or else it becomes useless, that is terribly irrational. It is like saying that since people die in traffic accidents evey year that means seat belts and airbags don't work.

these highly vaccinated states are following the measures.

Yet look at their COVID case rates, high anyway.

Again, no state is ever close to be above the threshold of herd immunity, and people disregarding the measures are still too common for them to be fully effective. Putting out the worst examples available of "following the measures" does nothing to prove the measures don't work. For that no difference should be evident in the places where the obedience is much higher, like in many Asian countries.

"Yeah the measures work but too many people in America aren't taking it seriously enough"

So stay indoors, don't get in close contact to people, take whatever new drug the government demands, only believe news from a few sources, don't do your own research, wear two masks if you have to go outside, wash your hands and sterilize them frequently with alcohol? Oh you work a job to feed your family? Why aren't you taking this seriously!? 0.3% of the population could die!!!

How about live a healthy life, get vaccinated if your in a high risk group, get lots of vitamins and live your life to the fullest without being afraid of every new scariant that comes along? No, that's silly and unscientific!

Yet look at their COVID case rates, high anyway.

Japan? But the good thing is you can't buy Mr. Clean in Japan. And they don't listen to Trump's advice compared to the Trump people back in the USA.

OxiClean works just as well and is available in Japan!

-This message brought to you by OxiClean Japan

So stay indoors, don't get in close contact to people, take whatever new drug the government demands, only believe news from a few sources, don't do your own research, wear two masks if you have to go outside, wash your hands and sterilize them frequently with alcohol? Oh you work a job to feed your family? Why aren't you taking this seriously!? 0.3% of the population could die!!!

If the only way to "defend" your point of view is to use false information and "do your own research" when you are contradicted by the scientific consensus you may as well say you are wrong.

Healthy life do not guarantee you will not get serious health problems or die from COVID.

Getting vaccinated reduces the risk for everybody that can recieve the vaccines, not just vulnerable people.

Vitamins only help if you have a deficit of them.

Being responsible and rational, keeping science based recommendations is not being afraid, that is much more close to what antiscientific people promote instead of following the science.

No, USA.

Then it seems the USA (especially Trump people) should follow what Japan is doing...I mean look at the numbers here in Japan. The USA has too many We The People 2A Trump people to follow common sense and that's why the number are really high. They just do what Trump says.