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The only thing I'd be concerned about at this point is voter fraud by the republicans. Last week we were saying that voter fraud is rare and doesn't happen ...that's until the republicans were caught red handed and admitted it. Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds! Now I am worried that we're going to have another election 2000 controversy.

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As long as President Obama keeps saying that he will not put the US military in Syria, he will win the younger votes. Mr. Romeny appears to be following the Bush, Bush, McCain philosophy. Yanks are coming home. Now if he can just decrease the US physical presence in Japan and Europe, he could make a difference in the USA. Money wasted on foreign countries has to be spent in the USA. Japan can take care of itself. It has missiles, ships and the Osprey. Yanks come home, now.

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Oh, Mirai get off of it, voter fraud is bad, but don't make it a Republican issue ONLY! Please don't go there!

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/jack-kelly/voter-fraud-is-real-224753/

A new study finds that nearly 2 million dead people remain on voter registration rolls. So tell us again why Democrats oppose voter ID laws that would help prevent these errant registrations from being exploited? The Pew Center on the States study found that our country's voter registration system is "plagued with errors and inefficiencies." That's putting it mildly. As many as 24 million registrations are invalid or contain significant errors, including almost 3 million who are registered in two or more states and 1.8 million dead people still listed as active voters. Obviously this is a problem states must fix, and the sooner the better. As Pew notes, most states still use antiquated and enormously expensive paper systems ill-equipped to handle a mobile society. In an age when direct mail companies can easily keep track of you through several moves, this is entirely unacceptable. Just as important is how this flawed system highlights the need for tougher voter ID laws. After all, if 2 million dead people are on the active voter rolls, how difficult would it be to use those registrations to illicitly tip a close election? Yet Democrats are pummeling states trying to impose picture ID laws to protect against this kind of fraud. They vetoed such laws in Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire and North Carolina. The Justice Department blocked South Carolina's new photo ID law. And NAACP President Benjamin Jealous attacked the reforms as "the greatest assault on voting rights ... since the dawn of Jim Crow." Democrats make two bogus arguments. First, that ballot fraud isn't "widespread" enough to merit the new requirement, as though there's such a thing as a tolerable level of fraud. Second, that picture ID laws would suppress voter turnout among minorities. In fact, states with picture ID laws go out of their way to make sure everyone who needs an ID can get one. Plus, turnout in Indiana and Georgia swelled after their laws went into effect, and the Supreme Court already ruled that picture ID laws don't infringe on anyone's right to vote. Given this, it's hard to escape the conclusion that Democrats count on exploiting an inept and tattered registration system to help them win close elections. If that isn't the case, they should prove it by backing a reform that would do much to protect the sanctity of the ballot box.

Yeah, I'm worried as well that a 2000 controversy could arise.

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Mirai, I also have concerns about voter fraud and how some GOP-controlled state houses are going all out to prevent people from voting.

Seems like the much hailed "freedoms" conservatives love to say they believe in are only worthy of being granted when they get votes for the anti-American GOP and its followers.

Funny thing about the downhill death spiral of Romney's campaign is that it's virtually all due to his own personal, moral and policy failings as well as conservatives' ongoing failure to pick a viable credible candidate for president. Looking at the GOP primaries I thought it was a casting call for a cheap reality show. Couldn't believe it was a casting call for president of the United States. I doubt the rest of the world could either.

But conservatives were ok with it.....

News just in yesterday, pundits are now saying Romney's selection of Ryan was a "disaster."

His rating have gone backwards.

That's not supposed to happen, but not surprisingly it's a reflection of many aspects of Romney's massively bungled campaign.

Write it down - come Thursday morning the knives will be out, GOP campaign operatives will be racing for the exits while stabbing each other in the back, and Romney and Ryan will still be saying they have a "strong" campaign team.

And this underlines a key point - and it's a psychological one: some conservatives on JT have complained when various Global Liberals have called Mitt Romney a 'twit', etc. and questioned his intellect. 

The AMAZING thing imo, is that conservatives in general still don't see it.

It's no wonder they're losing, and again, they only gave themselves to blame.

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I want to win, but I can't do this on my own.

We're on the brink of a milestone American politics has never seen: 10 million grassroots donations in one election year. Together, we've reached major milestones in the past -- because you helped get us there. I hope you'll step up now and help reach one more.

Thank you,

Barack

I need to warn you: Karl Rove is expected to move his money into 12 deadlocked Senate races as Mitts chances slip. If the forecasts are right, Democrats will lose the entire Senate majority by a single seat.

So be warned that we will lose the snate if you do not fight for it.

Sincerely,

John Kerry

Guys, we are in the 4th quarter 38 yards to go. Let's go and win!

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Bass, you're bringing down your beloved Party of No.

Listen to Ann Rmoney - "Stop it!" :-)

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As usual, the three notorious musketeers are in total denial that voter FRAUD goes BOTH ways. IT IS NOT and ONLY an exclusively Republican issue guys, but of course, you three kool-aid drinkers will never want to open your eyes to see it.

@Global

No one, really, NO ONE cares what Kerry thinks. Karl Rove can move his money anywhere he wants in order to do what he can legally in order for his candidate to win, nothing wrong with that, I would use my resources thus in the same manner.

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bass4funkOct. 01, 2012 - 09:01AM JST

Oh, Mirai get off of it, voter fraud is bad, but don't make it a Republican issue ONLY! Please don't go there!

This is a serious criminal offense.

Many voters were not registered as of last Friday due to well coordinated RNC fraud in my state. Now we are doing drive-by campaign delivering flyers to all possible Democrat voters every day. Secretary of State in my state is filing criminal investigations as well as Florida. RNC has knowingly hired this consulting firm that has previous election law violation record . bass4funk, this is really serious.

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@Global

No one, really, NO ONE cares what Kerry thinks. Karl Rove can move his money anywhere he wants in order to do what he can legally in order for his candidate to win, nothing wrong with that, I would use my resources thus in the same manner.

American politics is on sale.

The Republican SuperPAC (Crossroads America-Karl Rove $300 million and Prosperity for America-The Koch Brothers $400 million donations ) are trying to buy US politics.

The Democrats and Obama so far raised just above $110 million donations. What we have is a dedicated volunteers and grassroots donations, and WE WILL WIN!! America is not going to the Riches. America belongs to everyone.

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Both these fools are as crooked as a brits teeth. Whoever wins, the average citizen is going to continue to get SCREWED.

OPT OUT

DON'T VOTE

DON'T PAY TAXES

STOCKPILE WEAPONS

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@global

This is a serious criminal offense.

Yep, and so is this!

new study finds that nearly 2 million dead people remain on voter registration rolls. So tell us again why >Democrats oppose voter ID laws that would help prevent these errant registrations from being exploited?

I never said, it wasn't serious, but this is NOT a partisan issue. Both sides do this and if you think that Democrats don't do it, I can give you hundreds of examples. So you and other liberals should try to be more fair about this, I know it's hard for some of you guys to be in the middle, but this kind of foul up should be condemned on both sides!

And stop whining about Rove. Rove hates Obama just as much as the right hate Soros and his minions, He just gave the Obama campaign 2 million and is also doing whatever he can to get his majesty reelected again. They have a right to do what they do. This is what these guys do, understand that! Both sides are in this for a fight and if I had billions, I sure wouldn't hand it over to Obama, let's just say that.

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@bass

First of all, you're going to post a link to an EDITORIAL written on Dec 2011, by right wing columnist and expect me to take that as factual news? Sorry, not gonna happen.

According to most real NEWS outlets, in person voter fraud had been deemed virtually non-existent. There have been more cases of absentee voter fraud and voter registration fraud, of which non of these stupid republican proposed voter-ID programs would fix.

Secondly, do a search on Nathan Sproul. He is the owner and CEO of a "consulting" company called " Strategic Allied Consulting", or was it "Lincoln Strategy Group", or was it "Sproul & Associates" ...gee I can't seem to keep the name straight since Sproul changed the name so many time (under advice by the RNC) because they were under investigation for fraud. The RNC hired several times in the past to help with voter registration. However, what they fail to tell you is that they would either only register republican voters, or they would also register democrats, but then throw away the democrat voter registration forms so that they couldn't vote on election day.

Here is a case where a girl misrepresents herself as a worker from the county clerk's office, and tells a would be voter that she is only registering people who are voting for Romney. This is illegal. The county clerk's office cannot only register one party, or choose sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxNyJM4JhrA

However, it turns out that that this girl wasn't from the county clerks office but worked for...yup...you guessed it! Nathan Sproul. Its a crying shame because this is what misinformed people do. I'm sure that this girl didn't know she was committing voter registration fraud and just doing what she was told to do get that $3.50 /hr that the republican party pays her. Too bad that she is as dumb as a rock, because she's pretty cute.

This is CLASSIC republican tactic. Accusing your opponent of doing what you're doing. As President Clinton so cleverly and rightfully said..."It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did"...so damn true, but that's what the GOP is all about..accuse and project.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-republicans-voter-fraud-florida-20120927,0,5472858.story

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And stop whining about Rove.

I do not have a respect Karl Rove This guy is a college drop out big time. He went to many colleges, and never finished any of them. I have never hired anyone like that as there is something wrong with them. I do not think he has learned anything in humanity.

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@Mirai

There you go slinging poo on the wall and hoping it sticks. First of all, you're going to post a link to an EDITORIAL written on Dec 2011, by right wing columnist and expect me to take that as factual news? Sorry, not gonna happen.

You don't have to and why would you, like most liberals, you got your heads in the sand and just never want to admit to anything, the result=ULTIMATE Kool aid drinker. lol

According to most real NEWS outlets, in person voter fraud had been deemed virtually non-existent. There have been more cases of absentee voter fraud and voter registration fraud, of which non of these stupid republican proposed voter-ID programs would fix.

I worked in the news business and what YOU think is real is actually not for the most part, that I can assure you. I like Mickey Mouse, China has Mickey Mouse, but it's not the real Mickey Mouse, no matter what you think. Voter ID problems and Repubs wanting people to get valid ID I think would drastically curb a lot of these incidents, but I can show you report after report on this. I covered this story back in 1999 when I was still in the states. This HAS been an eyesore for a while and BOTH parties have their cookies in the jar, whether you want to believe it or not, I was there, so I know first hand, BOTH parties are trying to get the upper hand. Like my father always told me, if you want a decent respectable job with values, never get into politics. As a journalist, I have seen both sides do this kind of dance and by the way, when I worked for the Over the top liberal NBC,, you have no idea was to what some of the far progressive left did for ratings and working with politicians the dirty work that went through that network. This is what I witnessed daily. You just don't know.

And you are quoting Clinton, THE William Jefferson Clinton??? Mirai, you really are a funny guy, seriously bro! Quoting Mr. Womanizer, but I know, Bush made him do it, right? ROFL!!

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Again, the distractions and personal attacks from the left. How about we let the campaign be about issues and not hyperbole?

Issues, such as;

a/ the continuing jobless rate at over 8%, in spite of the President promising that his stimulus would reduce it to 6%

b/ record numbers of people on welfare, food stamps, disability

c/ record high national debt, in spite of the President vowing to reduce it.

It's a shame really. This could have been (should have been) an election about serious issues. Instead, it has devolved into a garbage slinging match. The President is showing that he has learned very well from the Clintons, and Gov. Romney is showing that he learned nothing from McCain.

As for voter fraud, as I said on another discussion, the USA is the only country in the civilized world that does not have standards for voter identification. It's an issue of security, not of partisan politics.

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Romney/Ryan 2012.

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@Vast R

a/ the continuing jobless rate at over 8%, in spite of the President promising that his stimulus would reduce it to 6%

b/ record numbers of people on welfare, food stamps, disability

c/ record high national debt, in spite of the President vowing to reduce it.

Of course not! These are constant issues that Dems and liberals want to shy away from. They always rave and shift the focus on Romney or Bush, but NEVER EVER criticize their President, NEVER and why, because he is holier than Jesus. And yes, the US is the only country that doesn't have these standards, normal and rational people can understand the security issue that is so out of control with this, but liberals really want to make a partisan issue of this and why? Because liberals and Dems have nothing else to talk about, because if they did, they know that they would be in the deepest trouble.

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a/ the continuing jobless rate at over 8%, in spite of the President promising that his stimulus would reduce it to 6%

b/ record numbers of people on welfare, food stamps, disability

c/ record high national debt, in spite of the President vowing to reduce it.

Because this is not a normal time. And the damage done to the economy could not be fully repaired in four years. And most of the debt that's been run up on his watch is a direct result of the economic collapse. First the recession that began in 2007 and the economic collapse that happened in 2008, which has driven tax revenues down below 15 percent of income for the first time in 50 years, and driven spending above 21 percent of income, because so many people are on unemployment and food stamps and Medicaid, medical assistance.

If we had -- when the economy recovers a higher rate of growth, which it will in the next year or so, what's going to happen is with nothing happening, tax receipts will go up to about 17 percent; spending will drop to under 21 percent. There's still be a substantial deficit, but it'll be much smaller.

President Obama's main contribution to this $16 billion debt, which is a trillion-dollar debt which is a 10-year figure, you know, projecting out 10 years, was the stimulus bill, which is $800 billion, which I believe was a good thing to do. I think the debt might even be even bigger without it because it kept people working and paying taxes, and off the government payrolls, and because it created new jobs and infrastructure and energy.

If you look at his annual spending budgets, they are about 2 percent increases. That's less than the rate of inflation. So I think that the reason that I believe he'll win reelection is that we're beginning to recover, we've had a higher rate of job creation since the recession bottomed out, the collapse bottomed out in the middle of 2009, than in the previous eight years and we're moving in the right direction. And the policies he's advocated are more likely to produce a good economic result. That's why.

If people thought this was just like another recession, he would be in real trouble. But it isn't like another recession. They know it and

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I do not have a respect Karl Rove This guy is a college drop out big time. He went to many colleges, and never finished any of them. I have never hired anyone like that as there is something wrong with them. I do not think he has learned anything in humanity.

So what. Obama never had or owned or operated a business and he still won't show his college transcripts (wonder why?) So what if Rove didn't finish ANY college! Jobs, Gates, Branson, Zuckenberg all these powerful men didn't finish college and so what, that disqualifies them from engaging in politics? I think George Soros is THE most evil human being on the planet, let alone have ANY shred of humanity, but he has the right to do with his money what he wants to do as does Rove as I said, more power to him. I personally hopes he does more.

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@Bass

worked in the news business and what YOU think is real is actually not for the most part

Doesn't mean a damn thing. Working for a news organization doesn't mean that you are an informed person. I know SEVERAL people who work for news companies who know squat about anything.

I like Mickey Mouse, China has Mickey Mouse, but it's not the real Mickey Mouse

Except that Mickey usually doesn't walk into a voting booth. If he did, I think we'd all know.

BOTH parties have their cookies in the jar,

Point out one instance in recent history where the DNC was involved in voter fraud....I'd like to know. The RNC worked DIRECTLY with Sproul to intentionally and knowingly mislead voters and deliberately dispose of non-republican voter registration forms. They have also admitted it in public that they have done in the past. The only thing that they have not admitted is how many other Sprouls they are paying to derail this election. The scary part is that, we know about this because the RNC was stupid enough to pay Sproul using campaign funds (which must be made public.) Super PACs don't need to make their expenditures public, so it is very possible that guys like Karl Rove and Sheldon Adelson have bought other "consultants" to do the same thing.

@VRWC

Again, the distractions and personal attacks from the left

DISTRACTIONS??? Are you kidding me. If this had been the DNC paying off Sproul's, the heads of every single republican in world would explode! Fox News would run this story every fricken day until election day, and probably well afterward. This is not a distraction, this is some SERIOUS sh!t, because it could decide the direction of this election. Sproul had been working working VERY aggressively and all of the swing states to turn this election in Romney's favor. It's no wonder why Romney has had that dumb smirk on this face even though his campaign is in a tail spin. He probably thinks he has it made with all of this fraud going on. I certainly hope that Sproul is arrested and convicted once this election is over, because election 2000 can't happen again.

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Quote:

Sarah Pompei, a spokeswoman for the campaign, sought to distance Romney's team from the company, telling NBC, "We used this vendor for signature gathering services during the primary but have not used them since 2011."

If I were any one of candidates from the republican primaries, I would sue the pants off the RNC and the Romney campaign!

This is not the first time Sproul has been linked to voter fraud allegations. He has been accused of tampering with Democratic voter registration forms over several election cycles across multiple states.

Stone cold busted...I hope the dems don't wimp out on this, and sue the pants off the RNC for this!

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@Mirai

Doesn't mean a damn thing. Working for a news organization doesn't mean that you are an informed person. I know SEVERAL people who work for news companies who know squat about anything.

Lol, knew and was waiting for you to say that. I know personally a lot of these men and women in this business and in particular the states and to a point, you are right, most of the far left liberals are NOT qualified to be journalists, which makes up at least 90%

Point out one instance in recent history where the DNC was involved in voter fraud....I'd like to know.

I just did, do I need to show you a thousand more times? Your Ueber-liberal bias would never believe it anyway, so why bother, seriously.

DISTRACTIONS??? Are you kidding me. If this had been the DNC paying off Sproul's, the heads of every single republican in world would explode! Fox News would run this story every fricken day until election day, and probably well afterward.

Distractions? Talk about calling the kettle black, so talking about abortions, illegal immigration, blaming Bush, Romney, diversion tactics, not mentioning about the debt, unemployment, Msnbc aka National Barack Channel and the pundits as well as the WH are the absolute masters at DISTRACTIONS as well as DECEPTIONS. Obama can't run on his economic record, so for him distractions is a MUST.

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Bass4funk: "Distractions? Talk about calling the kettle black, so talking about abortions, illegal immigration, blaming Bush, Romney, diversion tactics, not mentioning about the debt, unemployment, Msnbc aka National Barack Channel and the pundits as well as the WH are the absolute masters at DISTRACTIONS as well as DECEPTIONS."

A drowning man will grasp at straws. Here the drowning man is you; in the US, it's Romney. Either way, you lose.

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@Smith

What's up, I love that Avatar!

A drowning man will grasp at straws. Here the drowning man is you; in the US, it's Romney. Either way, you >lose.

You could be right, and you could be wrong. I thought the same thing was going to happen in 1979 with Reagan, but look what happened, so unlike you and other like-minded Ueber, cocky confident liberals, I keep my feet firmly planted on the ground and in my house, Kool-aid wasn't a drink my mom thought we should have. Even "if" Obama wins at the rate his is going now and there is no stopping him, his radical agenda will tear the country apart and I do see a silver lining in all of this, Democrats will be so toxic, it'll be a millennium before someone will ever vote for them again. So while I worry for our nation, it might be a God's blessing if he wins, that just might be opening the Repubs need in 2016. So all in all, I see a winner. ;-D

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Lol, knew and was waiting for you to say that. I know personally a lot of these men and women in this business and in particular the states and to a point, you are right, most of the far left liberals are NOT qualified to be journalists

If you knew that I was going shoot down your argument, then why even bring it up? And yes I am right...Most news pundits and writers, regardless of their political affiliation, know very little about what they're reporting on. They just regurgitate whatever they are told to say.

I just did, do I need to show you a thousand more times? Your Ueber-liberal bias would never believe it anyway, so why bother, seriously.

You mean the debunked opinion from that Pittsburgh newspaper? That's the best you can do? And let me preemptively strike down anything to do with Glenn Beck's ACORN conspiracy because that was complete BS too.

abortions, illegal immigration, blaming Bush, Romney, diversion tactics, not mentioning about the debt

All VERY legitimate political positions that should be discussed, because the GOP are on the opposite side of what Americans want and should be called out for it.

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AND yes, Mitt Romney SHOULD be calling Obama out on his economic policies, but he's not...why? Because he has NOTHING...if he had a good sound policy, we would be hearing it over and over again, but he doesn't, so Obama can pivot onto his strong points and Romney's weak point's all day long. Obama is obviously not going to talk about a subject he's weak on. That's what campaigning is all about and that's why Romney sucks at it. Because ALL points are his weak point.

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@bas Liberals 'NEVER EVER criticise the President' Really? I was personally furious, along with many others, that Obama surrounded himself with Wall Street types and hasn't done anything like enough in the way of legislation to deal with banking excesses. His powderpuff attempt to seek justice for Palestinians when meeting Netenyahu was lip-service and a disgrace to anyone with a shred of humanity. I can go on.... The question to you would be can YOU finally admit that Obama, a vulnerable President, is ahead due the sheer ineptitude of Romney? You still haven't given any reason why this failed, socialistic car crash is ahead in the polls. Practice what you preach.

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Of course not! These are constant issues that Dems and liberals want to shy away from. They always rave and shift the focus on Romney or Bush, but NEVER EVER criticize their President, NEVER and why, because he is holier than Jesus.

I bet you wish more Republicans and conservatives, like William Kristol and Peggy Noonan, were half as loyal. The headline of this article might look very different if they were. Anyway, when do you ever criticise Romney?

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it'll be a millennium before someone will ever vote for them again.

Classic Republican 101 - project your own failings onto your opponent. This was said over and over again about the republican party by...yup you guessed it republicans!!!!

If Obama wins, it’s the end of the Republican Party -Rush Limbaugh

"If You Can't Beat Obama, Shut Down The Party" -Laura Ingraham

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@Mirai

If you knew that I was going shoot down your argument, then why even bring it up?

Well, you didn't shoot down anything, don't know what you mean, but anyway....

And yes I am right

Obama thinks he's always right as well and look what we got.

...Most news pundits and writers, regardless of their political affiliation, know very little >about what they're >reporting on.

Oh, I know buddy! How I survived NBC is a complete miracle. Most of them Jack of all trades and masters of nothing, the majority of them were, know it alls. They just regurgitate whatever they are told to say.

You mean the debunked opinion from that Pittsburgh newspaper? That's the best you can do?

Sigh, was never debunked, it was a fact, that you choose not to see it, is NOT my fault. A lot of people thought the Hindenburg was the greatest invention and.... well, you get the point.

And let me preemptively strike down anything to do with Glenn Beck's ACORN conspiracy because that was >complete BS too.

Here we go with the distractions again. Beck has nothing to do with this argument. But nice try.

All VERY legitimate political positions that should be discussed, because the GOP are on the opposite side of >what Americans want and should be called out for it.

Not what the majority of Americans want, there you go again, you mean the 47%, yes, true that, true that.

AND yes, Mitt Romney SHOULD be calling Obama out on his economic policies, but he's not...why? Because he has NOTHING...if he had a good sound policy, we would be hearing it over and over again, but he doesn't, so Obama can pivot onto his strong points and Romney's weak point's all day long. Obama is obviously not going to talk about a subject he's weak on. That's what campaigning is all about and that's why Romney sucks at it. Because ALL points are his weak point.

As I sit here and laugh my ***off, really? Too funny. But yes, bite off more than you can chew, like I said, I see the bigger picture in all of this, I sure do hope Obama keeps the country on the losing track that we are on, because I know all the Dems in the next 4 years will have paper hat jobs. It's just a matter of patience and time. I see really something good in this, so it doesn't matter what you think, Obama is a disaster and a cancer that is tearing this country apart and the best thing in all of this is if he gets a second term, in 4 years, We will never have to worry about him again. That's a real God's send. (chuckle)

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I'm tired of the blame for the current economic situation being shirked by Democrats. The President has had 4 years to make things right. The first two years his party controlled Congress completely. He hasn't done so. He hasn't even started. Umenployment hasn't shifted in 4 years. MORE people are on food stamps and assistance, not less. FEWER people are working, not more. He has NOT been leader enough to gain bipartisan support for anything.

The stimulus failed. There is no other way to put it.

On Wednesday night, he will have to answer for it. Mitt Romney will finally be able to get on the same stage as the President and show his stuff. The President will have to answer for his failures and poor judgement.

The foreign policy debate will be even more interesting. Given the latest failures in US diplomacy, it may be the beginning of the end for the Obama administration.

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bass4funk: "So while I worry for our nation, it might be a God's blessing if he wins, that just might be opening the Repubs need in 2016. So all in all, I see a winner. ;-D"

Like I said, and am obviously correct, a drowning man will grasp at straws. It's good you keep optimistic, though. I mean what else could you do but perhaps look inwards, wonder who in the hell a guy like Romney was given the stage for Republican ticket in the first place, wonder how the Republican party has fallen apart like it was now, wonder why the TP exists and how they messed everything up? If you actually took the time to think about how you created your own problems, you'd probably explode -- so yeah, better just to let that sand wash over your head again as you bury it, and not bother to come out when you see the GOP is destroyed after this election.

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@Jim

Many people will vote for a loser that is Obama no matte what. With the data and the numbers out there and the high unemployment, many people know he sucks, many people know that he's terrible, but it is also a reality that it is very difficult to unseat and incumbent. Yes, Obama comes across as pleasant guy and a more likable guy than Romney, I admit that, but the Bolsheviks equally came across the same way and look how that turned out and that's where it stops between the two. Obama with NO Zero business experience and Romney that has a resume the length of China. Obama is officially a "Welfare" President. everything from welfare to disability and unemployment benefits have tripled under this President, which according to the top economists equals-failure.

@Simon

I bet you wish more Republicans and conservatives, like William Kristol and Peggy Noonan, were half as loyal. >The headline of this article might look very different if they were. Anyway, when do you ever criticise Romney?

On the contrary, unlike many out of control, far left liberals, I value FREE speech and I don't think people in each party have to tow the party line. Their right and their opinion. I have criticized Romney on a few issues, like Obama and most politicians, don't like when they flip flop, but that's the nature of the business, but I do it more to Obama, because he IS the President. Romney is NOT our nations leader and he is NOT racking up a $16T and climbing...

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Quote from NY Times:

Mr. Romney’s team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since August. His strategy includes luring the president into appearing smug or evasive about his responsibility for the economy.

Hmm...zingers eh...aka distractions. What a plan!

you mean the 47%, yes, true that, true that.

May I remind you that Obama is polling well above 47% while Romney is polling at the 41% mark. I think its safe to say that there are more people who agree with democratic ideas than republican ones...

Here we go with the distractions again. Beck has nothing to do with this argument. But nice try.

Hello? GOP and Beck successfully convinced the public that ACORN was committing voter registration fraud, and had them defunded, even though they were doing nothing of the sort. In reality ACORN should be commended for their efforts in getting people would have otherwise have not voted if it weren't for their efforts.

The reality turned out to be that the RNC was funding a private company to do the VERY THING that they accused the dems of doing. HOW SAD AND PATHETIC!

Classic Republican 101 - project your own failings onto your opponent. Obama wil definitely win. No if ands or buts about it. GOP are stupid to succeed.

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many people know he sucks, many people know that he's terrible

The problem, bass4funk, is that candidate Romney has failed to convince a substantial proportion of the electorate that he "sucks" any less than the incumbent, despite the current economic conditions.

That is, to put it bluntly, a failure. You seem to want to put it on the electorate's shoulders, but I'm inclined to believe the fault lies with the candidate and his campaign.

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A quick note on voter "fraud" and ID laws without getting sucked into the black hole here. In th past 4 election cycles, there have been a total of about 600,000,000 votes cast. There have been 10 confirmed cases of voter fraud as interpreted by the conservatives. Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. Well the problem that it solves (for Republicans) is that it depresses or supresses voting by minorities, the poor, and students all of whom tend to favor Democratic candidates.

Furthermore, Republican voter suppressionefforts have been going on for decades. From objecting to Clinton's motor-voter bill, to posting incorrect voting dates in public places, to falsely claiming that people's criminal records would be checked at the voting booth, the Rovians have a long and distinguished history of tricking or threatening poor and minority Americans to keep them from voting. This, not dead people voting, is the real fraud today.

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As for the election, barring a gaff of the 1st order or an external crisis that ends in disaster, it is over. Mittens is toast. A combination of a bad candidate (he is tone-deaf), a poor choice of running mate (you didn't need to "win" conservatives. They were going to hold their nose and vote for you anyway, Mitt. What you did was to alienate swing voters in Ohio and Florida. Really smooth.), And policies (especially social) that are frankly mindless and only appeal to netters.

It also helps that President Obama is a terriffic campaigner. That he can still be leading, much less not 15 points down, with such bad economic numbers speaks volumes about both men and both parties.

I predict that the President will wipe the floor with Mittens and the rout will officially be on. Republicans will go to war with themselves and finally decide that the solution is to be more extreeme. This will give whomever the Democrats nominate in 2016 (Probably Hillary Clinton) an excellent chance of the first 2+ term string since FDR-Truman.

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I see the Media is more than happy to do its part in this.

What Obama and his allies are doing now: “The Democrats want to convince [these anti-Obama voters] falsely that Romney will lose to discourage them from voting. So they lobby the pollsters to weight their surveys to emulate the 2008 Democrat-heavy models. They are lobbying them now to affect early voting. IVR [Interactive Voice Response] polls are heavily weighted. You can weight to whatever result you want. Some polls have included sizable segments of voters who say they are ‘not enthusiastic’ to vote or non-voters to dilute Republicans. Major pollsters have samples with Republican affiliation in the 20 to 30 percent range, at such low levels not seen since the 1960s in states like Virginia, Florida, North Carolina and which then place Obama ahead. The intended effect is to suppress Republican turnout through media polling bias. We’ll see a lot more of this. Then there’s the debate between calling off a random-digit dial of phone exchanges vs. a known sample of actual registered voters. Most polls favoring Obama are random and not off the actual voter list. That’s too expensive” for some pollsters.

John McLaughlin, a Republican pollster and consultant to GOP.

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On the contrary, unlike many out of control, far left liberals, I value FREE speech and I don't think people in each party have to tow the party line.

If you're not actually bothered whether Romney wins or not, suit yourself.

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The only thing I'd be concerned about at this point is voter fraud by the republicans. Last week we were saying that voter fraud is rare and doesn't happen

@ Mirai: In April 2011, ACORN pleaded guilty to unlawful compensation for registration of voters, a felony in Nevada. Prosecutors said ACORN senior management knew the group’s officials illegally offered cash bonuses to voter registration canvassers in a scheme called “Blackjack.”Canvassers received extra money on reaching the magic number of 21 registrations in a day.

The conviction came after the 2008 election cycle during which Las Vegas ACORN officials emptied the local jails to fill voter registration canvasser slots and even put individuals convicted of identity theft in charge of the registration drive.

As Judicial Watch reports, “The group has been busted for forging voter registration applications in key battleground states and submitting falsified forms in more than half a dozen others. In 2007, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State after seven workers were caught submitting about 2,000 fake registration forms.” Moreover, there are scores of ACORN employees who have been convicted of election fraud.

So don't just sit there and say that the whole argument about voter fraud is a ruse. It has been going on, led mostly by that great liberal institution ACORN.

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Furthermore, Republican voter suppressionefforts have been going on for decades. From objecting to Clinton's motor-voter bill, to posting incorrect voting dates in public places,

The reason why it was rejected was because in some states, illegal aliens are given driver's licenses. If they are given a license in those states, they can register to vote, without anyway of telling if they are a US citizen or not since now they have a driver's license. Nothing to do with suppressing someone's voting rights.

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The problem, bass4funk, is that candidate Romney has failed to convince a substantial proportion of the electorate that he "sucks" any less than the incumbent, despite the current economic conditions.

Precisely!! This time last year, I honestly believed that Obama was sitting duck, but then again Gingrich was in the lead in the polls so I thought there was some grain of hope. Now...OMG...Romney is like a gift to the Obama campaign. You couldn't have cherry picked a worse and weaker candidate. W. is polling higher than Romney!!!!! W!!!!! You know you're a loser when someone who is said to be the least popular president of modern time is polling higher than you!

@Graham DeShazo

Thanks for the numbers! I was looking for them earlier but could not find them. I knew it was something really minuscule. You have a better chance at winning the lottery than there is voter fraud!

I predict that the President will wipe the floor with Mittens and the rout will officially be on

If this election is ran fairly, and there is no more of these Nathan Sproul-like characters out there, I would completely agree. But with the RNC targeting specifically the swing states with registration fraud...now I am not so sure. With all the disastrous poll numbers coming in for Romney, I wondered how he could be so optimistic and have that stupid grin on his face when he is losing so badly...well now I know.

@sailwind

The Democrats want to convince [these anti-Obama voters] falsely that Romney will lose to discourage them from voting.

If these so-called "anti-Obama voters" really wanted Obama to lose, not voting would not be an option for them (unless they are really that dumb). They would go through any extent to see Obama lose, and voting for Romney would be the bare minimum.

Most polls favoring Obama are random and not off the actual voter list. That’s too expensive” for some pollsters.

Except that ALL polls have Obama ahead...you point me to a legitimate poll that has Romney ahead, then maybe you have a tiny sliver of an argument...but you can't, so you won't.

John McLaughlin, a Republican pollster and consultant to GOP.

Yeah, no need to respond to this one...(shakes head)

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@Smith

Glad you like the avatar, BTW. Who DOESN'T like Doctor Who? Oh, and it's "uber", not "ueber". I'd put the >umlaut over the 'u', but alas.

I don't need a German lesson from you thank you very much. Sometimes, I want to be lazy, but if you prefer. "Über" Ist dass besser für dich? Voll Trottel.

Like I said, and am obviously correct, a drowning man will grasp at straws.

You said, you correct, no one else said or thought that, hey, it's Monday, not Friday night.

It's good you keep optimistic, though. I mean what else could you do but perhaps look inwards, wonder who in the hell a guy like Romney was given the stage for Republican ticket in the first place, wonder how the Republican party has fallen apart like it was now.

Fallen apart, wow! Open the window please. lol

wonder why the TP exists and how they messed everything up? If you actually took the time to think about how you created your own problems, you'd probably explode -- so yeah, better just to let that sand wash over your head again as you bury it, and not bother to come out when you see the GOP is destroyed after this election.

Well, that is your Über-liberal spin on the issue and that's fine, but Repubs and traditionalists are NOT down and not even close to being out, that kind of idiotic talk was the same when the Republicans were in power, they thought their poo doesn't stink and that came back to haunt them and like an old saying goes "history tends to repeat itself" so I am actually feeling really good, if not now, God forbid or in the next 4 years, I am very optimistic, unlike most liberals, I choose to live in the real world.

@Trium

Don't misquote me, you know I was talking about Obama.

@Mirai

May I remind you that Obama is polling well above 47% while Romney is polling at the 41% mark. I think its >safe to say that there are more people who agree with democratic ideas than republican ones...

Actually, NO again. Wrong as usual, it's not that a lot of people agree with Democrats or Republicans, it's more about people wanting to change and unseat an incumbent. Same thing with Bush, like with Obama, many people were dissatisfied with him and yet he received a second term. So sorry, but that is just the facts whether you want to believe it or not. I just realized finally, that Santa doesn't exist, I'm still shellshocked!

Here we go with the distractions again. Beck has nothing to do with this argument. But nice try.

Hello? GOP and Beck successfully convinced the public that ACORN was committing voter registration fraud, >and had them defunded, even though they were doing nothing of the sort. In reality ACORN should be >commended for their efforts in getting people would have otherwise have not voted if it weren't for their >efforts.

Again, Mirai, NOT going there with you on Beck, has nothing to do with this thread. Save it for a different one, will be happy to discredit you, just keep it with Obama and Romney, please.

The reality turned out to be that the RNC was funding a private company to do the VERY THING that they >accused the dems of doing. HOW SAD AND PATHETIC!

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Classic Republican 101 - project your own failings onto your opponent. Obama wil definitely win. No if ands ?>or buts about it. GOP are stupid to succeed.

Confident, my Ex-wife was confident as well. (Note) "I said, EX."

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Don't misquote me, you know I was talking about Obama.

How did I misquote you?

The point is, it isn't enough for Obama to be 'bad,' rather, Romney needs to convince the majority he would be 'better.' So far, he has failed in this.

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Hello? GOP and Beck successfully convinced the public that ACORN was committing voter registration fraud, >and had them defunded, even though they were doing nothing of the sort. In reality ACORN should be >commended for their efforts in getting people would have otherwise have not voted if it weren't for their >efforts.

@ Mirai: I guess you didn't get a chance to look at my post. Beck may be a blowhard, but I don't think that he has the ability to influence the judge in NV who found the evidence that ACORN did create voter fraud and they were convicted of it.

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bass4funk: "I don't need a German lesson from you thank you very much. Sometimes, I want to be lazy, but if you prefer. "Über" Ist dass besser für dich? Voll Trottel."

yes, that's 'better for me'. I only mentioned it because you made the same mistake thrice.

"Well, that is your Über-liberal spin on the issue and that's fine, but Repubs and traditionalists are NOT down and not even close to being out,"

Glad to see you got the German down... good on you. That said, you still need to acknowledge the truth, that Mitt is toast, and so is the GOP in general. The choice of Ryan to solidify things with the TP was one of the biggest mistakes Romney made before his litany of MAJOR mistakes that followed. The loss here will rip the GOP a new hole bigger than it's already got, and you know it. Hiding your head in the sand and suggesting the loss in November is a win is simply idiotic.

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it's more about people wanting to change and unseat an incumbent. Same thing with Bush, like with Obama,

Okay...according to your number one trusted source in news Fox News; the news outlet that is NEVER wrong (that is unless you disagree with it) 48% would like to see Obama reelected, where as 43% want to see him unseated. Of course, this is a Fox News poll so take it with a grain of salt.

Mirai, NOT going there with you on Beck, has nothing to do with this thread. Save it for a different one, will be happy to discredit you, just keep it with Obama and Romney, please.

I'm talking about ACORN...I only mentioned Beck because he helped propagate lies to huge viewing audience about what ACORN really does. All you need to do is go on to YouTube and do a search on Strongsville Ohio and ACORN, you'll find so many confused fox viewers screaming ACORN without knowing squat about who they are or what they do.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I only count 1 wrong here and it was committed by Sprouls and the RNC.

In April 2011, ACORN pleaded guilty to unlawful compensation for registration of voters, a felony in Nevada. Prosecutors said ACORN senior management knew the group’s officials illegally offered cash bonuses to voter registration canvassers in a scheme called “Blackjack.”Canvassers received extra money on reaching the magic number of 21 registrations in a day.

Yes, what they did was "illegal" if you want to call it that..but it had absolutely NO influence on the way people voted nor what party affiliations they were registering under. At worst, it was a question of ethics. Even with all that said, I see nothing wrong with it personally. It's a way to offer incentives to get more people registered. As long as it doesn't disrupt or bias the voting process, there is nothing wrong with it.

What's really wrong is throwing away party registration forms, if it wasn't for the republican party or blatantly misrepresenting who you belong to (like the girl in the video did) .

While we are on the topic of ACORN, Alphaape, why don't you tell everyone how many other States found ACORN guilty of voter fraud, and how many other arrests were made. I mean, this must have been a huge operation right? There must have been hundreds? thousands? of other people arrested? Care to enlighten us?

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All readers back on topic please.

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"Because this is not a normal time." It never is. Just like Japan's economy is just "Fukeiki," not the way it going to be forever. Obama is the man bringing American "Fukeiki" in for ever. Give him another 4 years and he will have your kid's kid's in debt so far they will never recover. If Obama were the better choice, it seems that after four year somethingb would have iomproved; nothing has. More tax, fewer jobs, less international security and less hope that he will do anything other than what he has done. I may not like Mitt, but then again, I may! But I would vote for the livingroom sofa before I would vote for Obama again; that was the worste political choice of my life! What the hell was I thinking? And for all you Japanese out there? Do you really think Obama will stand by Japan when the going gets tough with China, as it undoubtedly WILL? You really think Obama will do more than make glib response to China's stealing Japanese land now, businesses in China tomorrow, and your water and people in 2016? Remember who was raping the schol kids in Okinawa? What color were they? Now multiply that by one million; and support Obama.

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Krugman had this to say in the NYT today:

Voters are, in effect, being asked to deliver a verdict on the legacy of the New Deal and the Great Society, on Social Security, Medicare and, yes, Obamacare, which represents an extension of that legacy. Will they vote for politicians who want to replace Medicare with Vouchercare, who denounce Social Security as “collectivist” (as Paul Ryan once did), who dismiss those who turn to social insurance programs as people unwilling to take responsibility for their lives? If the polls are any indication, the result of that referendum will be a clear reassertion of support for the safety net, and a clear rejection of politicians who want to return us to the Gilded Age.

By 2016, with an implemented Obamacare so popular that the majority of Americans will be unable to imagine life without it, one wonders what will have become of the Republican Party.

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@Trium

I will say this, to your point, you can look at it two ways, some people just can't warm up to him which for a lot of people a preconceived notion that they think they cannot relate to him, that is one part and the other he hasn't sold himself well enough as he could or should, but that's where the debates come in and he still has a shot. but No one can call it, these things tend to change quite drastically.

@Mirai

Okay...according to your number one trusted source in news Fox News; the news outlet that is NEVER wrong (that is unless you disagree with it) 48% would like to see Obama reelected, where as 43% want to see him unseated. Of course, this is a Fox News poll so take it with a grain of salt.

For once, you said something accurate. So there is a margin of error or 5% that are undecided, but still 43% is still a huge number. But I am happy you didn't have your eyes closed to this one.

As I said, NOT addressing Beck or ACORN! It has NO business to this thread and is totally irrelevant.

@Smith

I am glad, you approve of my German speaking abilities. As for the Romney comment..

Mitt is toast, and so is the GOP in general.

I don't believe that Mitt is toast at all, not at all, not in denial, I am just saying, I am a realist and I am NOT going on that limb, pound my chest and jump and dance around like the crazies on the National Barack Channel. gleeing and basking in the sun like the stupid rabbit that thought he had the race in the bag. WE JUST DON'T KNOW, maybe you are right and then again, you could be wrong.

The choice of Ryan to solidify things with the TP was one of the biggest mistakes Romney made before his litany of MAJOR mistakes that followed.

Totally disagree with you, I think it was the best choice, especially since Ryan is a fiscal Hawk!

The loss here will rip the GOP a new hole bigger than it's already got, and you know it. Hiding your head in the sand and suggesting the loss in November is a win is simply idiotic.

And if Obama gets 4 more years with the way the economy is that with the outstanding debt and that Obama and the Dems and liberals never mention the high unemployment with Blacks 14.4% Hispanics 11% and whites 7.3% which is under Bush was much lower and yet, Obama says absolutely NOTHING. $16T, 8.1% unemployment, NO annual budget, 1.5 GDP growth, absolute disastrous. But again, if Obama gets a second term, what we have seen for the last 4 years will be a Operatic play compared to what we will get, God forbid. The Democratic party will be an outcast and probably be the most toxic things since Typhoid Mary.

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This is foreboding.

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Regardles of whether Romney or Obama win the White House (it's still a toss up), the fact is that the GOP is NOT 'toast', as Smith said. They WILL still control the House, and have a serious shot at control of the Senate. In addtion, Republicans will control far more State governorships and state legislatures than Democrats. This gives the GOP a strong pool of young candidates that will be ready to step into the national limelight in the future. I don't see too much young blood in the Democratic party.

Incumbency and race are both huge factors in the President's favour. There is a reluctance to change in general, and a larger reluctance to change because of Obama's pigmentation. Americans are, at heart, fair people. They want to give their first (half) African president a decent shot at success, regardless of how badly he has stumbled. Let's be honest, a white President carrying the baggage of the Obama presidency would be unelectable.

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Krugman had this to say in the NYT today:

He had this to say in 2002:

To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.

Paul Krugman

Thanks Paul for helping to trash the economy and bringing on the worse economic times since the great depression.

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Within reach?

Bwaaaa ha haaa hAAA HAAAA HAAA! Obama ain't "within reach." That's Rmoney.

Obama is WINNING.

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First, reading the article was a regurgitation, then reading some of the posts I realized it was more of the same bickering. Then I remembered something worthwhile I had read earlier. A perspective that is pertinent and with which I share. Here's the opening paragraph and the link:

" It's hard for a black anarchist libertarian to visit family during an election year. Political talk is always in the air, the driest of tinder ready to spark a family conflagration. I'm black and my black family is thoroughly Democrat. Black people tend to be Democrats the way Japanese people living in Japan tend to speak Japanese. As tiresome as neocons and Republicans can be about things like war, prohibition and immigration, Democrats tend to be much more difficult to talk to because they live in a parallel universe where the laws of economics don't apply. Talking to a Democrat about human action and economics is as exhausting and embarrassing as trying to hold a conversation about complex social issues with a really drunk stranger at a bar...."

http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2012/9/30/tdv-week-in-review-september-30th-2012.html

If Obama gets a second term, the future of USSA won't be pretty. If Romulan wins, the end of the Great Experiment may be slightly delayed. Nope, not looking good either way.

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Both these fools are as crooked as a brits teeth.

Racist!

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By 2016, with an implemented Obamacare so popular that the majority of Americans will be unable to imagine life without it, one wonders what will have become of the Republican Party.

Please, the costs don't even start to hit until after this election, quite deliberately, and its as toxic as it was when it was passed. 3 years from now, after having to pay for this stupidity, you think its going to be popular? Really? I would sure like some of the drugs you're on...

T-bird, pretty sure British isn't a race, but a nationality. Just saying.

lol, when have Dems ever let reality stop them from shouting racism?

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Voter fraud is a desperate red herring. In the last 20 years, not counting absentee voting, TWELVE people have been arrested for voter fraud. Republicans just want to keep old people and minorities from voting, the curs.

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For once, you said something accurate. So there is a margin of error or 5% that are undecided, but still 43% is still a huge number. But I am happy you didn't have your eyes closed to this one.

Margin of error...no my friend...5% is not the margin of error. 5% is the spread. Margin of error is usually 2-3.5%. A margin of error any larger than that is a pretty sucky poll. And 43% SUCKS! Definitely nothing to be proud of. If you are polling less than 45% 5 weeks before an election and more than 5 points behind your oponent, you are as good as done! Plus Romney is trending downwards, not upwards. ALSO, this is a Fox News poll...they've got their own man at 43%...WOW! Even Rasmussen has him at 46%.

but that's where the debates come in and he still has a shot. but No one can call it, these things tend to change quite drastically.

The debates aren't going to make any difference at all. People have pretty much made up their minds about Romney, and many people aren't even going to watch the debate. The only thing that's going to make the news if either says anything really provocative, which is unlikely. If Romney is wise, he should stick to facts and numbers and forget this "Zinger" strategy, because he's just going to come across as a desperate candidate looking for a quick score from the low information voters. This strategy only worked for Palin because she had the folksy personality for. Mitt doesn't. He also needs to give the people new info. Blaming Obama for the poor economy is old news. We've heard it way too many times. telling the people that he has a better plan ain't gonna cut either. The only way Mitt is going to score is present a REAL concrete plan to revive the economy, and explain it in a way that everyone can understand. And the plan has clearly demonstrate that its going to benefit the many (including the 47%) instead of just his rich donors (the 1%).

Whether the anti-Obama crowd believe it or not, and whether its the truth or just another campaign promise, Obama currently has the majority of the voters that he's got the better plan. Romney HAS TO DO BETTER if he wants to win. The burden is on him, not Obama. So far, he's done a very piss poor job at it.

a white President carrying the baggage of the Obama presidency would be unelectable.

Sure...because being African-American is the only way to be POTUS. Look at our last 43 presidents! There were all African American born with silver spoons in there mouths...............EXCEPT.............There weren't. Get real! Being an ethnic minority is, and never has been an advantage in ANY presidential election!

Saying that Obama's race gives him and advantage is just like Romney saying that he wished his father was Mexican so he could win. Just plain ignorant and dumb. Obama has the advantage because he plays this game a little bit better than Romney does, and Romney SUCKS at it!

By 2016, with an implemented Obamacare so popular that the majority of Americans will be unable to imagine life without it,

Just like social security and medicare...and the what's left of the republican party will try to take credit for it.

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@Mirai

Margin of error...no my friend...5% is not the margin of error. 5% is the spread. Margin of error is usually 2-3.5%. A margin of error any larger than that is a pretty sucky poll. And 43% SUCKS! Definitely nothing to be proud of. If you are polling less than 45% 5 weeks before an election and more than 5 points behind your oponent, you are as good as done! Plus Romney is trending downwards, not upwards. ALSO, this is a Fox News poll...they've got their own man at 43%...WOW! Even Rasmussen has him at 46%.

Sorry, but it's a margin of error, my friend. Say what you will. But I see you are THE person with the highest expertise when it comes to politics.

The debates aren't going to make any difference at all

Sure it can, it always does and it always will to many people.

lol, when have Dems ever let reality stop them from shouting racism?

Never, that's the only thing that Dems have in their arsenal of personal attacks, that and of course the usual Bush bashing, usually when people rant and have nothing better to say and NOT even acknowledging Obama's failed policies in virtually every area, shows anger and desperation on their part, Dems know they have a lot riding here and they will do whatever they can to keep the reigns of the throne. And please, I don't even want to hear that Dems are the most honest group of people when it comes to politics.

@Herve

You are Black? Would never have known, not that it makes a difference. Thanks for not being a Kool aid drinker and being center.

@Vast Right

They WILL still control the House, and have a serious shot at control of the Senate. In addtion, Republicans will >control far more State governorships and state legislatures than Democrats.

Which could and would be a God send, if the Repubs can get the senate at least that would put a stop on the bleeding of this President and thus cutting his power quite significantly. That would force Obama to do what Clinton did and move to the center. Now Obama could be insane and push everything through by vetoing, but I don't think he's that dumb or maybe...

Incumbency and race are both huge factors in the President's favour. There is a reluctance to change in general, and a larger reluctance to change because of Obama's pigmentation. Americans are, at heart, fair people. They want to give their first (half) African president a decent shot at success, regardless of how badly he has stumbled. Let's be honest, a white President carrying the baggage of the Obama presidency would be unelectable.

Perfect. 100% agreed. Well thought out and on point my friend, could not have said it better. For some reasons Dems can and will never admit to this, NOT in their nature.

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Voter fraud is a desperate red herring. In the last 20 years, not counting absentee voting, TWELVE people have been arrested for voter fraud. Republicans just want to keep old people and minorities from voting, the curs.

Republicans? Who is it thats mostly responsible for the voter fraud and intimidation we're aware of exactly? Sorry, but you find one example of a Republican doing this, and suddenly its all Reps fault. The stupidity and ignorance displayed here sometimes is just staggering.

Asking people to show ID, in order to register to vote, or to actually vote, is somehow horrible? Did anyone else notice the hypocrisy shown by Dems who required ID to get access to their convention? I know I laughed about that little fact. ID must be shown to access banking statements, IRS reports, and just about every other single facet of life, but asking for proof that you are who you claim to be when registering to vote, or when voting in person, is somehow going to stop people from voting? How exactly? If someone has that much trouble getting an ID, then perhaps they shouldn't be voting in the first place.

Which could and would be a God send, if the Repubs can get the senate at least that would put a stop on the bleeding of this President and thus cutting his power quite significantly. That would force Obama to do what Clinton did and move to the center. Now Obama could be insane and push everything through by vetoing, but I don't think he's that dumb or maybe...

I wish, but Obama is too wedded to his extremist ideology to move toward the left to say nothing of the center. He will simply appoint more czars, and issue more executive orders, vetoing everything he disagrees with, and expecting the Dems in remaining in the Senate to give him cover from impeachment as he continues to ignore the constitution, and then blaming Republicans for everything.

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Mirai Hayashi

The Fox poll was completed on Sept 27th and the very latest poll a Washington Post / ABC one just finished on Sept 29th. Polls are just snapshots in time. It's the long term trends that are important. The latest poll has it this way.

This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 26-29, 2012, among a random national sample of 1,101 adults, including landline and cell phone-only respondents. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error or 3.5 percentage points. The error margin is 3.5 points for the sample of 929 registered voters.

Obama 49 percent

Romney 47 percent

All the polls even those with a heavy Democrat turn-out lean show a very tight competitive race. Step back and look at what the polling data is really telling us.

A) The race is pretty much a tie, Obama hasn't been able to run away from his real record no matter how much his campaign has yelled "squirrel" and the Obama advocacy Media being more than happy to oblige in squirrel distractions.

B) Romney hasn't yet been able to seal the deal as the real viable alternative.

C) The Debates will give Romney his best shot without the Media filter squirrel filter getting in the way to make his case directly to the American people.

If he does well you can bet the last thing the Media will highlight is Obama's declining poll numbers. Heck, they might even start finally looking into how bad this Administration bungled it in Libya in protecting and providing security for our Ambassador from a terrorist attack on 9/11, instead of just ignoring it like they have been lately (bad optics and all for Obama's campaign).

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I love the actual topic of the news article. Like everything else real the conservatives want to dismiss the facts. Obama is kicking Romney's ass. Four years ago the conservatives tried to say the polling data was not valid. Four years ago it was very accurate; especially if you look at the trends. Two years ago the polling was accurate and did not favor the Democrats at all and the result was reflective of the prior polling. This year when Obama wins the polling will be shown to be accurate. Follow the trend of the polls. Look at all the polls available.

Face the facts Obama is winning. Just wait until he wins then the yammering, murmuring, and bemoaning will reach the same level as the last presidential win for Obama. The sniveling has never ceased since Obama won before. Those pathetic conservatives refused to govern and just decided they could win more by just saying "no" all the time. Well it worked 2 years ago. Now the American public has had a chance to digest the conservatives ideals and they are rejecting them.

MEDIA BIAS MY ASS! When you ask the conservatives what message they want heard that is not getting out they cannot provide you with anything that we are not fully aware of already. We KNOW exactly what the Republican party stands for. It is abundantly clear in their platform. Too bad for the sniveling conservatives; America rejects you.

The sniveling conservatives can whimper all they want about the validity of the polls. The polls are accurate. Obama will win. The results of the election will be accurately reflected by the polls.

Let the conservatives try to explain to us how it is the polls show: (for some reason JT won't display "plus" signs) Arizona - Romney (plus)10, Indiana - Romney (plus)12, Akansas - Romney (plus)21, Nebraska - Romney (plus)14, Georgia - Romney (plus)21, Kentucky - Romney (plus)14, Missouri - Romney (plus)12, Texas - Romney (plus)15, Arkansas - Romney (plus)21 and Mississippi - Romney (plus)18.

So, that would mean that the polling entities only skew some results. Come on, you don't think there are Republicans working at every single polling entity. There are. And they would expose the discrepancies immediately.

The conservatives are dishonest when they claim media bias and they are dishonest when they claim skewed polling. But what else is new.

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Very very emotional input by most of you. It is important to keep the discussion on the news article which is based on "who may get elected" based upon the current pole results as written by the Associated Press staff writers.

Obviously the results are too close to call yet and depends on the "debates" to come. Which is what the article seems to illustrate.

Now the discussion has moved to "who is the most desirable" person to win. That only encourages emotional outbreaks based on the personal assessment of the key issues or concerns that one has.

What needs to be placed before this discussion are facts of exactly where USA stands after Mr. Obama's term. Exactly what Mr. Obama is offering to do to make it better than where he has brought the USA to. Exactly what Mr. Romney is offering to do to make it better than where Mr. Obama has brought USA to. They should cover at least the following areas of concern:

1) Economically - Nationally / Internationally / Industrially / Business wise / Personally 2) Politically - Nationally / Internationally 3) Safety and Security - Nationally / Internationally (military included)

Those areas affect us here in Japan directly and immediately. Other areas are of concern to the voting public, but for us here, the above 3 areas will definitely affect us.

Please address those areas.. Some of you may have some good answers from which absentee voters can base their choices.

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Four years ago the conservatives tried to say the polling data was not valid. Four years ago it was very accurate; especially if you look at the trends.

You are correct quite accurate. Most polling was based on a D-7 plus turn-out. As the Democrats were quite motivated an enamored with Obama.

This cycle the polls that show Obama pulling away are based on the same D-7 turn-out. You'll have to be drinking some pretty kool=aid if you thing the Democrats are going to match the turn-out they had in 2008 which is how most of the polls are weighted.

Obama did not fill the football stadium in Charleston and had to make his speech acceptance indoors instead in a much smaller venue. The party line was that was because of the possibility of thunderstorms in the area. Anybody with common sense knows better. In 2008 there was a plethora of Obama stickers on cars, today a very rare sight. Obama on many occassions during this campaign is almost begging his supporters to show the same enthusiam that they did in 2008.

Bottom line is there no way that polls that wieghted with a 2008 D-7 turn-out model template can be called reliable, a joke is more like it.

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Go Obama Go! I don't want Bible Punchers controlling my world

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Obama and the Democrats are going to balloon the debt even more, honey. Ready for that?

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The race is pretty much a tie,

If by "tie" you mean Obama is ahead by more than the margine of error in OH and FL, then yeah, the race is a 'tie" The kind of "tie" that's put Obama at over 80% at intra=trade, and 98.7% at 538.

That is the kind of tie that most people call winning. Scratch that, winning BIG.

squirrel distractions.

Two things: First, Rmoney has been really nice by offering up one shiny object after another. Second, that is how the media treats you when you won't talk to them. That is politics 101. And Rmoney don't get it. 'cause he's a poor candidate.

The Debates:

The Debates will allow Mitt to come straight at the people; and We The People will see Mitt in all his glory.

Expect his numbers to move no where.

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Four years ago the conservatives tried to say the polling data was not valid. Four years ago it was very accurate; especially if you look at the trends

I remember The Dems doing the same thing in 2000 and 2004, go figure, like I said, you liberals think that this is a Republican ONLY scandal. As if Dems are just so above that. Quite the contrary....lol

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Hello Serano! Great to see you again.!! Boy, do you ever hit the nail on the head when you write::

Obama and the Democrats are going to balloon the debt even more,

Obama, like the Democrat party socialist he is, totally just borrows and spends. That is what he does, 'cause that is all they do. I agree so much with you, I just ignore the facts. Fact like, actually, stinking tax and spend Democrats don't raise the debt anywheres nears as much as Republicans Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

Don't believe me, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

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That is the kind of tie that most people call winning. Scratch that, winning BIG.

Not winning BIG, ahead, but Like I said, in 1979, Carter was ahead as well in the polls and how'd that turn out. Leave the liberal cockiness at home.

squirrel distractions.

Two things: First, Rmoney has been really nice by offering up one shiny object after another. Second, that is how the >media treats you when you won't talk to them. That is politics 101. And Rmoney don't get it. 'cause he's a poor >candidate.

Romney is not used to Chicago ghetto-style Politics. Politics 101 also says to be a good politician and leader, you have to be a decent person, Obama doesn't fit that role and yet, he's the president?

The Debates:

The Debates will allow Mitt to come straight at the people; and We The People will see Mitt in all his glory.

The debates will allow Romney to dig into Obama get him on the issues that Obama doesn't want to talk about and avoid. Looking forward to it.

Expect his numbers to move no where.

I expect Obama's numbers to fall once Romney hammers him on the economy and the national debt.

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Romney has a 15% of winning right now. Obama, 85% That is the same as Team Democrat being one touchdown ahead with 10 minutes to go.

Yeah, that's what I call winning.

And Obama is like Joe Montana. He's a closer. Rmoney is like Jim Kelly. Just can't close the deal.

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ghetto-style Politics.

Yeah, and that's not racist in any way. Nope. Not at all.

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Scarecrow V Tin Man

If I only had a brain V If I only had a heart

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Yeah, and that's not racist in any way. Nope. Not at all.

Saying ghetto implies racism of course, I keep forgetting, if you say anything negative about Obama that's racist, but when Obama in 2009 told Black men to take care of their kids, when he was talking about the huge problem in the Black community with kids being born out of wedlock that wasn't racist?? So Obama gets a pass because he's Black and then when it suits your own obvious racial biases, he is all of a sudden mulatto? Like I said, liberals when cornered or have no defense, will always resort to invoking the race issue, a real gotcha moment for you guys.

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They WILL still control the House

Actually, according to all polls as of yesterday, more than likely, the Demo. will take over the House. FYI

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Obama, like the Democrat party socialist he is, totally just borrows and spends. That is what he does, 'cause that is all they do. I agree so much with you, I just ignore the facts. Fact like, actually, stinking tax and spend Democrats don't raise the debt anywheres nears as much as Republicans Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

Ah, so you're saying it was some other President who ballooned the deficit beyond where its ever been. Certainly not Obama, who has been desperately trying to cut the deficit, in between rounds of golf, fundraisers, and of course, creating the biggest expansion of government overreach in US History.

Actually, according to all polls as of yesterday, more than likely, the Demo. will take over the House. FYI

lol, that made me laugh. Pelosi is being more shrill then ever at the thought of being irrelevant for 2 more years.

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@global

Actually, according to all polls as of yesterday, more than likely, the Demo. will take over the House. FYI

Now for sure I know you guys need some serious mental counseling. We did that already, remember. The first 3 years, the Dems controlled everything all, 3 branches and look what happened! Either way, most definitely the Democratic party will be beyond toxic in two years.

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Either way, most definitely the Democratic party will be beyond toxic in two years

bass, and GOP will go down. We will nominate more liberal justices to the US Supreme Court to deal with US Election Law. Yes, it is getting more fun. We will deal with Karl Rove, and the Koch Brothers indirectly. They will be in history,

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@global

Spoken like a true Soros prodigy. One government rule. Will never work in the US. That kind of talk is insane. As nutty as I think most liberals are, there are some, some ideas that are good if implemented properly, economy is a totally different issue, but that kind of thought process if what killed my home state of California. The out of control liberal polices absolutely destroyed my state and you want to see that happen to the whole country? But you and other liberals would. But hey, your President, the "welfare" president is on his way with his radical socialist agenda to transform the US into a nation of handouts, big government and out of control debt. Now, I almost actually hope Obama wins, so that the next 4 years he screws up to the point that the Dems will be an ostracized party for a very long time. It's the only way to wake the people up. He already screwed up the first 4 and knowing how Obama can be overly difficult and cocky, so the next 4 years will really show what he is.

We will deal with Karl Rove, and the Koch Brothers indirectly. They will be in history,

You're not in 1st grade, this is not a school fight. Wise up.

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bass4funk Oct. 02, 2012 - 07:06AM JST. there are some, some ideas that are good if implemented properly, economy is a totally different issue, but that kind of thought process if what killed my home state of California. The out of control liberal polices absolutely destroyed my state and you want to see that happen to the whole country? But you and other liberals would.

Main cause is the downturn of real estate market and continue high unemployment. And yet California remains the best place to live if you can ignore government. There is a reason why rich folks end up in California. It has the best climate of any state, and possibly any country in the world. Do you have problems in California? Yep. I am actually hoping California can go bankrupt, and some cities have, so that they can re-organize all the stupid union, pension, and other contracts and eliminate all the special programs. California also need to revoke any and all programs for illegal immigrants, and create harsh penalties for health care fraudsters. The biggest problem however, is the union contract and influence. They are killing California more than anything else and Republicans had a major hand in organizing those deals.

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Scarecrow V Tin Man

If I only had a brain V If I only had a heart

Its more like Lion vs Tin Man, because Obama needs courage to stand up to congress and kick them in the a$$.

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Its more like Lion vs Tin Man, because Obama needs courage to stand up to congress and kick them in the a$$.

If the Repubs can get the Senate and at LEAST keep the House, it will greatly diminish his power and a lot of that steam emanating from this Presidents head.

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Omg, now Naval Recruiters have become experts in Statistics and sampling. What a bunch of crap, The sniveling conservatives that are offering their expert advise on Statistical analysis, sampling and modeling will be the same exact ones sniveling about MEDIA BIAS on November 7. The sniveling conservatives want you to believe that this "model" was or wasn't used on the 2010 election which was accurate and depicted the republican win? It doesn't matter one iota. Obama will win very close to the margin predicted by the aggregate of the polls, which you can view on RealClearPolitics. The sniveling republicans will NOT admit they were wrong about the polling. The sniveling conservatives WILL be lamenting about MEDIA BIAS.

Furthermore, logic would dictate the following: Either Romney has been ahead the entire time or the polling entities have switched their models. The republicans working for these entities would have decried the switch; surely republicans are employed by these entities too. It would also mean that since 2010 there was a mass conspiracy to switch back from the 2010 "model" to the 2008 "model," since the 2010 model was accurate and the republicans won. Are you willing to believe that Romney has been winning this entire time? You have to believe that or that the "model" was switched to reflect his recent downturn. This switch would have had to be coordinated by ALL the polling entities.

Well, when I pose a logical analysis in that manner it leaves the sniveling conservatives only one position to take. That Romney was ahead the entire time by the exact same offset that he is now trailing.

Don't forget to check the state polls after the election because you will find them to be accurate also.

The sniveling conservatives have become Statistical Analysts proficient in sampling, specifically developing statistical data models; not only that, but the ability to recognize other models without any access to the data of the people polled. Face it, they are getting their info from conservative sources. As usual there is NO TRUTH WHATSOEVER involved. So they are saying that the polling entities are using 2008 modeling; prove it. The sniveling conservatives offer no proof of what these polling entities are using as a model. Oh, no, not a rehash of their models explained in further detail to us. No, provide us with a polling entity, i.e.: Gallup, Rutgers, Quinnipiac, etc. Then state the phone calls that specific entity made and how they determined to call those numbers. When you provide those kind of specifics about the entity doing the polling then I will evaluate your case. Otherwise it is total crap. Sorry but those are real people they are calling and the people are giving real answers. The sniveling conservatives just don't like the answers the real American Public are giving.

MEDIA BIAS! . . . MEDIA BIAS!

Newsflash: Look at Fox News polls. Fox polls closely reflect other polling results. The sniveling conservatives want you to believe Fox is also using this "modeling" they speak of and are publishing the skewed results. (again I cannot get the "plus" sign to appear so I will use (up by) __ points.

FOX News 9/24 - 9/26 - Obama (up by) 5 points

FOX News 9/9 - 9/11 - Obama (up by) 5 points

FOX News Wednesday, September 19 (the following statewide polls)

Ohio: Romney vs. Obama - Obama (up by) 7 points

Florida: Romney vs. Obama - Obama (up by) 5 points

Virginia: Romney vs. Obama - Obama (up by) 7 points

MEDIA BIAS! . . . MEDIA BIAS!

The sniveling conservatives need to get a life and stop blubbering about the "skewed" polling results. They need to stop squalling about MEDIA BIAS and man up! But we know that will never happen!

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Of course the "pigmentation" and "ghetto" comments were racist comments. Let them say that in any workplace, besides the administrative offices of the KKK, and see if people let them get away with it. People are no longer willing to tolerate comments like that in public. Thinly veiled racism should be tolerated no more than outright racist remarks. I don't need to reply in any form of debate to any response to those who make and/or defend racist comments. I just need to make sure I point out agreement I have with the civilized people who have already protested.

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@Preten

Anyway, so the bottom line is Obama still has THE worst record in known Presidential History and the first to be known as the "welfare" President, increasing under Obama. No sniveling, just the facts. $4 gas, $16T National Debt, 8.1% unemployment rate, NO Annual budget, 1.2 GDP growth, Welfare up http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508/WelfareState Unemployment highest for Blacks 14.4%, Hispanics 11% and Whites 7.3%, disability claims gone up. And on and on and on. Failed policies pure and simple, didn't get better and won't get better. This is typical Libtard policy making in a nutshell. I didn't begin to talk about Obama's foreign policy.

Moderator: There is no such word as Libtard, which therefore makes your post meaningless.

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Don't forget the sniveling conservatives are also experts on the psychology of republicans staying away from the polls. Well I guess it is really a combination of Psychology and Sociology that would be needed. This because trends of the republicans must be analyzed to determine whether they are getting energized by the rise in polls by Obama, or are being demoralized to the point of not voting. Oh the GRAND LEFT WING CONSPIRACY.

Ha, ha, ha, the sniveling conservatives are just, so much, WAY better than Gallup at polling analysis. Yeah, Gallup is willing to risk their reputation because they just love Obama. Or maybe they are just so stupid they use 2008 "modelling."

I believe the American public will not buy into either "media bias" or "skewed polling." However it was a nice effort to deceive.

''I think it kind of goes without saying that there's definitely a media bias. We've - look, I'm a conservative person, I'm used to media bias. We expected media bias going into this,'' said Ryan.

So many times now Ryan and Romney have been asked what message they have that is not being forwarded by the media. They have yet to name a single thing they are saying which the media is not reporting. This is what dishonest conservatives do. It is their forte. They often claim MEDIA BIAS! MEDIA BIAS! (like Gomer Pyle saying, "Citizen's Arrest! Citizen's Arrest!), but they never give examples of suppressed coverage of the conservative message or of suppressed coverage of Democratic wrongdoing.

On Fox, Paul Ryan was asked to provide details by a known right wing media tool, Mike Wallace. "It would take me too long to go through all of the math," Ryan explained. Wallace repeatedly asked Ryan whether Romney's proposed tax cuts would cost $5 trillion, a question meant to establish one side of the budget equation before moving to a discussion of how Romney would pay for the cuts. But Ryan repeatedly refused to go through the addition and subtraction, instead insisting that the numbers eventually come out in his favor - Romney's proposed tax cuts would cost nothing. Wallace prompted Ryan with a video clip.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: No matter how many times they tell you they are going to talk specifics, really soon -- they don't do it! And, the reason is, because the math doesn't work.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

So here is Ryan babbling and dropping names (I admit it I spiced to give you this wonderful montage): "...if you torture statistics enough...[blah, blah, blah]... I've been on the Ways and Means Committee for 12 years...[blah, blah, blah]... whether it was Ronald Reagan [ha, ha - gotta throw Reagan's name in there] working with Top O'Neill, the idea is from Bowles-Simpson commission on how to...[blah, blah, blah]... "

"Well, I don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of that, but let me say it this way. [yeah who cares about the NUMBERS, who cares about the MATH - just trust us]" That was not spiced. That was a direct answer after Chris Wallace said, "You haven't given me the message." Wallace had asked the cost of the tax cuts. That simple. But Ryan refused to provide that number saying it was revenue neutral. Look Ryan the American people are NOT dumb. Give us the cost of the tax cuts then you can tell us the value of the reduction in tax deductions, or loopholes as you are calling them. Like Obama says the numbers just do not add up. Ryan was given ample opportunity to give plain numbers: the value of the tax cuts (a deficit), and the value of closing tax deductions (a credit to the U.S. treasury). Two numbers Paul, that is all your Fox conservative colleague asked for. You FAILED!

Lest I am accused of cutting out the important parts see the evasion of details on Fox's transcript. Fact: Ryan had his chance to present a case based on mathematical produced numbers and he refused to give the details. Wallace offered him the time. Ryan did not produce the math because HE COULD NOT.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/2012/09/30/exclusive-paul-ryan-plays-latest-poll-numbers-exudes-confidence-ahead-debates

(You will have to continue the script by clicking on the next page at the bottom)

So typical is this of the conservative dishonesty. First say the liberal media is biased. Then when asked to give the details that Americans have clearly shown an interest in - evade. Newsflash to Paul Ryan - Your tax plan is the message that is not getting to the American public. You had your chance. You babbled about everything else. You chose to grandstand and drop names but you REFUSED TO GIVE THE NUMBERS. Wallace even played a video beforehand accusing you of not providing the numbers. You REFUSED TO GIVE THE NUMBERS. Sheer dishonesty on the conservatives part. It was blatantly exposed by a conservative journalist.

FAIL

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As usual there is NO TRUTH WHATSOEVER involved. So they are saying that the polling entities are using 2008 modeling;

Taka,

The internals are in the PDF file found in the link for the D+8 turn-out prediction model on this typical poll cited by the Media this cycle.

During the perfect storm of '08, Barack Obama enjoyed a 7% advantage over John McCain when it came to party turnout. In other words, Democrats enjoyed a D+7 turnout advantage over Republicans. This also means Democrats were more excited and enthused to vote in almost record numbers.

According to a new CNN poll, Obama is going to beat that!

According to CNN, Democrats are even MORE enthused and excited than they were in 2008!

According to CNN, Republicans are just as demoralized and willing to stay home as they were in 2008!

That's the real news in this CNN poll, which shows a D+8 advantage for Obama.

But the media won't report that news because no one would believe it.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/01/Media-Watch-CNN-Poll-Turnout

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When you provide those kind of specifics about the entity doing the polling then I will evaluate your case

Start evaluating. I've provided the link to a typical poll in this case The Washington Post with the internals used for verification.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20120825.html

Analysis after looking at the internal poll data courtesy of Hot Air.

As mentioned, this poll has a D+9 sample, with Republicans ridiculously undersampled at 22%. The 2008 election had a split of D+7, 39/32,29, and the 2010 midterms had a split of 35/35/30. The likelihood of getting a D+9 turnout in this election is nil, as is the likelihood of an electorate that is comprised of 22% Republicans. Even if we saw it, Obama would still only get 46% of the vote as an incumbent, hardly a gratifying position for Team Obama.

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I don't know how conservatives can argue that the ALL of the polls are biased or skewed by oversampling the dems. There would be no advantage to anyone to publish inaccurate results. I would think that it would be a lot more advantageous for these pollsters to be as accurate as they can to the actual outcome of the election to maintain any degree of credibility. By skewing the polls, all you accomplish is proving how much you suck as a pollster (kind of like Rasmussen has done to themselves by not updating their polling methods)

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I don't know how conservatives can argue that the ALL of the polls are biased or skewed by oversampling the dems.

Because your own partisan bias, that's why you can't understand it. Both sides play this game and if you don't see it well that speaks volumes.

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@Preten

Who and what belaboring point are you trying to make, so far you didn't say anything but give your progressive liberal opinions and that's all. Just say, I like Obama despite all of his flaws and failed policies and "I" think in my heart and in "my" opinion we are better off. I really don't want Conservatives to be back in power. Instead of trying to bloviate the issue. Much easier and to the point.

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For you liberals, once again, hope Romney hammers Obama on these issues, because as sure, he WILL NEVER talk about them. $4 gas, $16T National Debt, 8.1% unemployment rate, NO Annual budget, 1.2 GDP growth, Welfare up http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508/WelfareState Unemployment highest for Blacks 14.4%, Hispanics 11% and Whites 7.3%, disability claims gone up, Obamacare, how are we going to pay for that, When are we going to STOP printing money, when will he address about lowering taxes for the small business owners and when will he create more jobs in the private sector, When will we STOP borrowing money from China and when will we STOP giving money to countries that hate us and Terrorist countries that want to kill us.

Obama has been ducking these issues for a long time and these are the issues that America is really worried about.

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Because your own partisan bias, that's why you can't understand it

LOL ...as if you were neutral...enlighten me...

Obama has been ducking these issues for a long time and these are the issues that America is really worried about.

I am all for Romney bringing all of these issues up and more....but he's got to be prepared to explain his side too. I predict that there will be a lot pivoting, topic changing, and zingers on Romney's part in an effort to duck the issues.

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It seems another voice has joined the shrill liberals here, supplanting facts with personal attacks.

The polls will go up and down, it's really hard to argue about them with any degree of confidence. Barring major disaster, Romney WILL get a bump from the debates merely by being on the same stage as the President.

As for mentioning President Obama's pigmentation, it is not racist. It's simple fact. His being half black was a major advantage. It still is. The Democrats previously (and still) are largely a white male party. If you want to see diversity in a government or cabinet, look no further than Bush II. From Colin Powell to Condeleeza Rice to Carlos Guitierrez, he appointed from a broad spectrum of the public.

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Obama's race offered no advantage to his election or reelection. And to think so is VERY unfortunate for you.

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Obama in 2008 received 7 million more votes from non-whites than Kerry got in 2004. He was a "safe" African American- he talked white, (articulate in the words of his VP), was from the north/city, and so on.

Why is it 'unfortunate' to state a statistical reality?

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I am waiting for the moment following the election when I hear " voters have a liberal bias."

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@Mirai

Yeah, I am Neutral. Unlike you, I know and understand Romney's faults and flip flops on certain issues in the past. At the same time, I also call out Obama on his flip flops as well. I have always been fair, and now YOU want to tell me what I am? You don't know anything about me, but I will tell you, I am a registered Independent or "swing voter"., I lean more Conservative, but truth be told, I think both parties are full of crap, but when it comes to fiscal and social issues, I will side with Conservatives. Unlike you, I see the faults from both parties, but you and other liberal Kool aid drinkers will never see any faults with Obama, never. Which equates to being bias. I don't drink Kool aid, never was allowed in my house, only the fresh and natural stuff.

@ preten ?? Anyway....

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For you liberals, once again, hope Romney hammers Obama on these issues, because as sure, he WILL NEVER talk about them.

Oh yes. Inspired. There's no way Obama will have seen that coming.

Seriously. What do you think these people do when they prepare for debates?

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Economists, which use actual data have determined the stimulus worked;

Economists: The stimulus didn't help

he recovery is picking up steam as employers boost payrolls, but economists think the government's stimulus package and jobs bill had little to do with the rebound, according to a survey released Monday.

In latest quarterly survey by the National Association for Business Economics, the index that measures employment showed job growth for the first time in two years -- but a majority of respondents felt the fiscal stimulus had no impact.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/26/news/economy/NABE_survey/

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(this is a cleaned-up version of my previous post where I inappropriately was inpolite)

Too many conservatives just don't understand the Great Depression took between 11 years and 19 years to recover, and we are now experiencing the worst economic disaster since then. The worst recession since the Great Depression, now labeled the Great Recession, was so close to becoming a depression it was scary for truly intelligent people. Some of my friends have questioned the need to bail out the financial institutions. We had to do that. Our financial system would have crumbled. With outstanding Credit Default Swaps, collateralized debt obligations, Mark to Market Accounting (like Enron used that counted revenue not received and in fact, some of which would not be received in 10 years being recorded THAT YEAR AS PROFIT), structured finance vehicles that allowed a company to continue to own an entity but write it off the books by getting rid of just 3% ownership (often done with a subsidiary that lost a great deal of money), asset-backed securities that were nested in other asset backed securities and a derivative market that had just run wild with CDOs being the main culprit but not the only one. We were on the brink of collapse and Bush did several things right by saving some of the financial institutions. He should have bailed out Lehman Brothers also. We did not need a lesson in moral hazard at that point in time. We needed to stop the collapse of our markets so we didn't have the conditions of the Great Depression all over again where so many stocks were rendered worthless.

Conservatives can continue to put down Obama for not fully succeeding in 4 years; however: Great Depression 11 - 19 years for recovery, Great Recession only 4 years so far, economists recognize this is not doing very bad at all. In a few years it will be looked upon as a great success since Congress was unwilling to provide the additional stimulus needed. Economists, which use actual data have determined the stimulus worked; our economy would have been much worse; more jobs lost. I really could not give a crap if they don't agree that Bush put our economy in a condition that takes over 4 years to recover. I take my level of intelligence any day over their spewing of conservative rhetoric; facts and rational not memorizing statements repeated over and over again on tens of thousands of conservative web sites. Most of what I hear is just repetition of a verbatim explanation that the conservative blogs spew out. I think for myself and rely on my education. Economists will also tell you that Bush tax cuts did not work. There never was this great creation of jobs. You want a great creation of jobs look to the Bill Clinton years. The Bush tax cuts had two main drawbacks that can easily be explained. There are additional drawbacks but they don't compare to the two I will mention. These can also easily be referenced. a.) Bush's tax cuts put a drag on the economy because of the debt it created; along with the war debt it was not a linear drag but closer to an elongated exponential curve; meaning that the drag was greater than the sum of the tax cuts and the war debt. b.) The largest of Corporations, or many thereof, kept the money they saved on taxes. In fact many cut back the workforce while they were building up cash. It can clearly be investigated; because they are continuing to build up stores of cash (You can view the corporations public records). The corporations were unwilling to risk developing new plans tailored to used the American worker in new innovative ways to provide new products and services. They had the money but would not take the risk on the American worker.

So sorry to bust their bubble but Bush tax cuts were not effective and Obama's stimulus was.

But I have read enough posts to see the sniveling conservatives can't be bothered with messy facts. So I expect a continuation of statements that will match 10,000 other conservative blogs. Just don't expect me to reply unless there is data. You know the kind where the majority of economists agree; not just a group of conservative hacks."

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