3 of 4 suspects charged in Russia concert hall attack admit guilt during court hearing

Extreme torture of the suspects including electricity to their genitals. One with a missing ear. Shown in media reports. ISS released a video taken during the attack.

The article doesn't mention it but the eleven suspects arrested were Tajiks.

This is an account of the US Embassy warning to US citizens living in Russia from two weeks ago followed by the Russian response at the time.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-warning-extremist-attack-moscow-russia-1877216

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The Russian's 'truth serum' will have these guys singing.

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Another March 8th article, this time from Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-embassy-warns-imminent-extremist-attack-moscow-2024-03-08/

The Russian people should wake up and look at how the feel, and understand their nation has been doing this to the Ukrainian people daily for over two years.

It's time to end this war Russia. Go home. No more terrorism on Ukraine.

Russian authorities arrested four suspected attackers on Saturday,

I am quite surprised that after such intense use of firepower during the attack the "alleged" perpetrators gave up with out a fight.

This is a massive failure by Putin and Russian authorities. It’s what happens when you focus your security on waging war on a neighbor but let things slip everywhere else.

*Russia is performing equal acts of terrorism on the citizens of Syria every day.*

You’ll find not a lot of sympathy for Russia as a result. Tasting their own poison and whining about it

This is IS taking revenge for the conduct of Russian forces not just in Syria but of Wagner mercenaries in Africa, both of who attack IS at every opportunity and lastly for Russian support of IS enemy the Taliban. All of these make Russia a target for IS to attack. Russian mistreatment of Muslim groups within its own borders makes it just that much easier for IS to operate clandestinely inside Russia among a large internal Muslim population.

I am not saying leave IS alone, the world cannot afford to do that, but once a nation takes the step to engage IS they must be prepared to deal with the threats they pose to their interests at home and abroad and take the steps necessary to protect themselves. Blaming Ukraine is just deflecting from their own security failings.

I don't feel sorry for the terrorist but I do oppose illegal treatment of them such as torture and electric shock to their genitals.

Totally agree. People are rightfully angry, but a lack of humanity is more evident when these things occur.

War criminal Putin will make sure this attack is assigned to Ukraine, compounding his disgrace, if it is hasn't been maxed out already.

Stick with the facts:

Always important to understand the geography here. The actual attack - which is clearly a target of opportunity by a cell of 4 terrorists - took place here (55.825947, 37.389507). This is on the far western side of the Moscow outer Ring Road.

Cameras confirms the offenders arriving/leaving in 2007 white Renault compact sedan. After the dragnet was thrown up that vehicle detected sheading SW. After a brief attempt to outrun the authorities it broke left onto a side road after a wheel was disabled while they were rounded up in a snowy forest after a small skirmish (53.204714, 34.612704).

They key points to consider are several:

1) that highway is the M3 and heads in a certain direction

2) someone paid and facilitated this event

3) how did Washington know so much about the attack before the fact, but refuses to divulge how it knew even now?

Points 2 and 3 are especially relevant. This has been portrayed as "kremlin lies" by certain quarters - however it is the White House-group which has so far offered the most far-reaching conclusion without supporting evidence - that from the dot, Ukraine cannot be linked to this in any way, shape or form.

Moscow's and Putin's response is actually more sensible and grounded in reality - Kyiv has not been formally blamed - nothing has been ruled in or out. This is where the facts stand. The key will be establishing who harbored, financed and planned this.

Stick with the facts

We’ll never know the facts. Such is the reality of a dictatorship that controls the media.

My, how convenient.

Guilty or not, and I think that they very likely are, there, um…. “Encouraged” confessions help an incompetent sociopath look a bit less incompetent.

Some commentators on Russian social media questioned how authorities, who have relentlessly suppressed any opposition activities and muzzled independent media, failed to prevent the attack despite the U.S. warnings.

When your entire security apparatus is devoted to nothing but rounding up grannies who leave flowers at Navalny memorials and anyone who says anything critical about Putin online its not surprising that it is totally incompetent at stopping actual security threats that it has been given ample warning about.

JJE,

now, how about this:

the vehicle had NO Ukrainian numbers (as previous claimed),

the escape route was not in the direction of Ukraine (as previously claimed),

they are talking about more than just 4 (o 5) terrorists now

Washington is always ahead of other countries when it comes to intelligence and counter intelligence.

And finally: when tortured you will admit to anything just to end the misery and pain!

I guarantee you and others that those Russians are so good at that!

While it's doubtful the Ukrainian parliament or citizenry were involved, it's entirely possible that ISIS has joined up with the Azov Battalion and other extremist groups who seek to harm Russia.

My money on it being domestic terrorism by Russians dissatisfied with their country’s war of ego on Ukraine

This is why terrorists and their supporters should be shown no mercy. Eliminate them no matter the costs.

wallaceToday  08:37 am JST

Kuku

Over the weekend ISIS posted a video of the attack.

wallace, I've seen all existing videos on the net about the event. Tens or maybe even a good hungred. All of them are taken by Russians. ISIS, evidently used one of them. ISIS couldn't be present on the place. I dont know what video you mean

Investigation continues, dots being connected as evidence is gathered. All should welcome these developments, as transparency and accountability are paramount.

The radicals, the ones afraid of and sowing doubt in the above process, that correctly takes place in any country experiencing terror.

ISIS releases graphic video of Moscow concert attack

https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/isis-graphic-video-moscow-concert-attack/

Naturally, over-riding concern in aftermath of this tragedy is any proven involvement by Zelensky Admin. If it's established, then continued foreign support for Ukraine becomes much more problematic to put it mildly.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/isis-graphic-video-moscow-concert-attack/

"This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws".

wallace, I dont get what you want to tell. I have already said that I saw all!!!!!! videos about moscow concert attack

Putin less than one week into his new term was unable to protect his people. The people need to be ready for more attacks to come.

We’ll never know the facts. Such is the reality of a dictatorship that controls the media

 Your *Washington is always ahead of other countries when it comes to intelligence and counter intelligence*.You will be the first to know the results of their investigation. It doesn’t matter to you whether it’s true or not. Washington will write you new instructions with a new vocabulary. And you will again be at the height of "credible" information

Many concerned about huge battlefield losses Ukraine's been experiencing and as result, strong possibility of civilian attacks, even terrorism. As Ukraine shelling and drone attacks into Russian border regions, civilian soft targets, has greatly increased in recent months.

Important to let investigators continue their work to uncover those responsible for funding and planning terrorism.

I have no problem viewing the video I posted the link to.

 have no problem viewing the video I posted the link to.

Maybe anybody here can explain what he wants?

What big funding did this attack require? Seriously, it probably cost the terrorists a few thousand USD. And the planning was also not very complex; you can unfortunately see such mass shootings frequently in the US.

Important to let investigators continue their work to uncover those responsible for funding and planning terrorism.

Confessions most likely forced through torture. This is how "justice" works in fascist Russia.

Arresting these 4 is not going to make Russia safe. The oppression of so many groups by the totalitarian government means these attacks will go on.

These terrorists deserve everything done to them. They aren’t human beings, just a bunch of sick animals. They should killed through torture as it would happen in US and EU.

Money seems to be involved as a motivation in this attack. The culprits have been caught but the kingpins are safe for now. We all know people will kill for money because that's who we are. These "bush league" terrorists will be crushed like flies and suffer agonizing punishment at the hands of sadists in brutal Russian gulags. Meanwhile, the world's "major-league" terrorists will enjoy lives of luxury and the rewards of fame because that's who we are, too.

All the hallmarks of an FSB false-flag - the Russians would never let these terrorists live if they caught them and they weren't "part of the plan"....

Putin killing innocent Ukrainians and Russians...

Why are Russian authorities so bad at protecting their citizens?

The key to solving who are the masterminds behind this will be the money and weapon trail. Follow that and all will be revealed.

Clearly this was orchestrated by foreign organisation/s.

One had his ear partially severed and another is missing an eye and in a wheelchair. And then we have this torture video. What kind of barbarism is Russia engaging in we have to ask now.

JohnToday 09:55 am JST

These terrorists deserve everything done to them. They aren’t human beings, just a bunch of sick animals. They should killed through torture as it would happen in US and EU.

Sources of someone being tortured to death in the US or EU or it didn't happen.

wallace, believe me without any conditions that I have seen all videos.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233511/Russian-forces-torturing-Moscow-terror-suspect-hooking-genitals-battery.html

The video you mean from this site above, no? This link you gave before. Yes, I have . I saw it the night from 22 to 23 March. It, I think, couldnt be taken by attackers. Because the camera is looking just towards the doors from where the attackers were running . The attackers with AK in hands were running after running away people. How could they take videos??? It's the first. Why you decided that it's ISIS? Your Washington invents ideas quickly. You are very gullible. Think with your own head.

What is your question on the video?

The four offenders were actually brought before a court of law for what amounts to an arraignment. The article and photos make that fairly apparent.

Always important to remember another jurisdiction and those taken to Gitmo/X-Ray and never saw a court with far, far less transparency.

The contrast is considerable.

kuku, you no more condone torture, than you would be willing to torture these suspects, you are rightly angry, upset at the merciless murdering terrorist ISIS scum.

London, New York, Paris.....The list seems endless.

We could go medieval, drag the terrorists out into the street hang draw quarter them.

They know nothing, all, the ones that were not shot on sight, are radicalised Islamic fundamentalist cannon fodder.

The men frog marching the offenders into the building in photos 1, 2, 7, 9, 10 and 14 are FSB officers.

The headwear worn by the guy in jeans in the main photo has the insignia printed clearly and visible - ФСБ. Also, photo 1 with an abbreviated version visible on the back left of the tactical vest too, right side.

Russia has far lower crime than the US. People feel safe, however terrible acts can still happen. Same for Israel. US terrorism risk rising rapidly with open borders, per FBI Director Wray, no country is immune.

Important that the full truth is uncovered, and it will be, then we can all better understand the true motivation and the support provided to these killers. Was this state sponsored, the biggest question naturally.

Russia has very good relations with Muslims, nearly 10% of Russia is Muslim. Russia busy recruiting Muslim countries into BRICS, Saudi, Iran, Egypt, and UAE just within the last year!

JJEToday 10:30 am JST

The men frog marching the offenders into the building in photos 1, 2, 7, 9, 10 and 14 are FSB officers.

The headwear worn by the guy in jeans in the main photo has the insignia printed clearly and visible - ФСБ. Also, photo 1 with an abbreviated version visible on the back left of the tactical vest too, right side.

Ok, now do an analysis of the torture video so we know who was responsible for that.

why do you deny it?

Is it your question? Thank you. I don't deny it.

ISIS took responsibility

NO. It was your, American, idea. You can figure things out so quickly. ISIS is your creation. Russia itself will figure out who is to blame. If you are so pure and honest, then why don’t you give Russia intelligence data on this terrorist attack? But you figured out at once the main thing: Ukraine is not to blame. And you don’t know anything else. You have brought up a terrorist state - UA.

JJEToday 10:14 am JST

The four offenders were actually brought before a court of law for what amounts to an arraignment. The article and photos make that fairly apparent.

Always important to remember another jurisdiction and those taken to Gitmo/X-Ray and never saw a court with far, far less transparency.

They saw lawyers who were free to speak about everything they heard.

The contrast is considerable.

Indeed and Russia comes out far more savage.

The article doesn't mention it but the eleven suspects arrested were Tajiks.

How are Russia and its partner China involved there? And could it be that many in Central Asia do not like China and Russia's involvement there, or anywhere else, like Syria, for example?

If the character of a country is shown by the way it treats the least in its custody, Russia is severely wanting. Jesus weeps over the way Russia conducts itself.

someone paid and facilitated this event

Read and learn how IS funds its operations. One of the reasons the US has around 900 soldiers babysitting an oil field in north eastern Syria is to prevent IS from re-taking it and selling the oil to fund its operations. Instead the Kurds operate the oil field and receive the revenue from its sale, mostly to the Syrian government.

According to IS propaganda it was IS-K that conducted the raid at Crocus City Hall, so here is an account of how IS-K finances itself.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-known-about-isis-k-funding-afghanistan

Excerpt from the link:

"While ISIS-K had a presence along the mountainous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Afghan government forces and the Taliban displaced ISIS-K from strongholds in the region in 2019. These efforts deprived ISIS-K of revenue from natural resource extraction, including lucrative talc mines in Nangarhar, as reported by the NGO Global Witness in 2018.

Without these mineral and smuggling revenues,, “ISIS-K primarily raises funds through local donations, taxation, extortion, and some financial support from ISIS-core …. As of early 2020, ISIS core was possibly providing some funds to ISIS-K,” according to a 2021 Treasury Department report. But the group hasn’t always had this funding model. The 2021 Treasury Department assessment represents a change from a 2019 State Department Counterterrorism Bureau report that stated, “ISIS-K receives some funding for ISIS. Additional funds come from illicit criminal commerce, taxes, and extortion on the local population and businesses.” A Sept. 2020 Wall Street Journal article identified ISIS affiliates generating income through “illicit tobacco markets” in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

How ISIS-K Moves Money in Afghanistan and Around the World

The underregulated hawala money exchange system appears to be a likely avenue for ISIS-K to move money around the world and throughout Afghanistan. Due to the limited reach of commercial banks in Afghanistan, Hawalas serve as the everyday mechanism for sending money around Afghanistan and abroad. According to The Economist, “regulators around the world hate the [hawala] system, because of its opacity and its role in helping to fund terrorism.”

Recently released footage showed the initial arrest of one suspect, who made an attempt to climb and hide up a tree, in the snowy forest in Bryansk region. He crashed through the branches on the way down before being pounced on and that would explain many of the injuries to that individual. Clearly the rounding up operation in the forest was aided by dogs but also obvious footprints get left in the snow. Another video showed the butt of a rifle being employed to assist demobilizing another offender - fairly typical of law enforcement everywhere. Their escape vehicle was taken off the road in fairly dramatic fashion - would be contusions at a bare minimum.

They know nothing, all, the ones that were not shot on sight, are radicalised Islamic fundamentalist cannon fodder.

itsonlyrocknroll, quite right, they know nothing but they did it! They did n’t just shoot, they beat children in the face with the butts of machine guns, they cut people’s throats. They deliberately hit a child with their car. He is now in intensive care. They are not just poor lambs. There are very suspicious nuances that they underwent special training. And at the moment, the issue of torturing is not discussed. Although here on JT you may descuss it. For the local Russophobes, it's only Russian people, who must be killed by one way or another. Taiwan and Co stated it many times.

The short section with one guy's finger pointing upwards, shouting Allahu Akbar into the camera, and the guy shooting around him at close range could not have been taken by anyone except one of the attackers.

Also I heard that they were spotted shortly before a turnoff where they could have chosen to go either to Ukraine or Belarus. As the crow flies, though, Teploe is almost equidistant from Ukraine and Belarus.

Whether the offenders were subject to what the American government refers to as "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques", such as water boarding, is open speculation.

We do know from the article they were taken into the district court in Moscow which upheld their detainment while the ongoing investigation unfolds. It's all on camera.

3) how did Washington know so much about the attack before the fact, but refuses to divulge how it knew even now?

When US forces conduct ground raids against IS leaders in places like Syria they take all of their computers, hard drives and cell phones. Not only is there information of immediate tactical relevance on those devices but those cell phones have all kinds of phone numbers in them. The US will track down who uses the phone at each phone number and conduct surveillance to the degree it is possible to do so. That surveillance often leads to new discoveries and additional information. Yes you can assume the US knows whom to eavesdrop on and does so to the extent it is possible to do. Often prisoners taken during these operations will tell interrogators about other members of their organization which the US will follow up on with surveillance.

Nobody is going to say in public who they are listening too because that would clue the bad guys in that the US is on to their game.

The US also recognizes what they call a "duty to inform". If they know a terrorist attack is imminent, even when directed at an adversary, the US feels they have a duty to inform the other nation that they are going to be attacked. The US gave the Russians warning back on 7 March that something was being planned that would be aimed at a large public gathering. The Russians reacted by saying the US was trying to make Russians afraid to go out and called it "blackmail". They were warned but didn't heed the warning even as they arrested some IS terrorists in Moscow that same day and had a shoot out with some other IS forces in Ingushetia a few days before.

Recently released footage showed the initial arrest of one suspect, who made an attempt to climb and hide up a tree, in the snowy forest in Bryansk region.

Something that struck me in the images of Crocus City Hall in the immediate aftermath of the attack was the complete lack of snow visible anywhere.

Ramsey's KitchenToday 10:58 am JST

One had his ear partially severed and another is missing an eye and in a wheelchair. And then we have this torture video. What kind of barbarism is Russia engaging in we have to ask now.

Yeah, we all believe this sudden genuine concern about the terrorists well being and human rights. Sounds legit.

I would ask such questions of my own government as you should ask of yours.

JJEToday 10:57 am JST

Whether the offenders were subject to what the American government refers to as "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques", such as water boarding, is open speculation.

If they were, they were subjected to far worse if the video evidence is correct.

JJEToday 08:34 am JST

3) how did Washington know so much about the attack before the fact, but refuses to divulge how it knew even now?

Set yourself up as a belligerent country and expect the minimum in assistance from the civilized world.

Ramsey makes a very relevant point - the offenders were taken into custody alive. Suspect their paymasters had anticipated the opposite and are rather upset they attempted to escape. This will be crucial to uncovering all the facts about who orchestrated it.

we remember Nord Ost,we remember Beslan.

sure they will be punished accordingly.

Among the dead people in Crocus there is a Serb family, both parents and their 6 yo son....

I wouldn't want to throw pearls in front of them here.....My condolences

All the hallmarks of an FSB false-flag - the Russians would never let these terrorists live if they caught them 

No. IS has more than enough motive to attack Russia.

Russia is a very big nation and it has a lot of Muslim citizens and immigrant workers who do not like the Russian government, or that of Ramzan Kadyrov. There is no shortage of people willing to hide IS members intent on attacking Russia. A problem for all dictatorships is that most people living in one do not want to be seen as informers for the dictator, so they tend to see nothing and keep their thoughts to themselves. If something bad happens it is up to the dictator to make it right. There is not the kind of popular support for politicians one finds among the governments and leaders of elected nations where citizens feel as if they have a say in how they are governed. The Russian government cannot count on it citizens to inform them of potential bad actors.

*3) how did Washington know so much about the attack before the fact, but refuses to divulge how it knew even now?*

Set yourself up as a belligerent country and expect the minimum in assistance from the civilized world.

The US warned them on 7 March, but the Russia government took offense instead of taking heed.

Something that struck me in the images of Crocus City Hall in the immediate aftermath of the attack was the complete lack of snow visible anywhere.

Firstly, public utilities work well in Moscow. Secondly, a lot of snow has already melted. All sidewalks and roads are clean.

The US warned them on 7 March, but the Russia government took offense instead of taking heed

Is it reported in your media? Could you quote an offense?

Ramsey's KitchenToday 11:17 am JST

One had his ear partially severed and another is missing an eye and in a wheelchair. And then we have this torture video. What kind of barbarism is Russia engaging in we have to ask now.

Yeah, we all believe this sudden genuine concern about the terrorists well being and human rights. Sounds legit.

- I would ask such questions of my own government as you should ask of yours.

Yeah, sure you would. Totally believable.

I have as much credibility on questioning the US government as you do on Russia's.

Anything to divert attention from the utter failure of the Russian government to act on timely, accurate information given to it by foreign governments.

Putin less than one week into his new term was unable to protect his people. Clearly a weak leader who should step down if he had any honour.

Firstly, public utilities work well in Moscow.

Is that why Moscow residents were complaining about power outages of up to 12 hours in the middle of winter?

Because public utilities work so well?

Yes Kuku, committing the unthinkable, slaughtering whoever they could see, innocent lives men women children families.

Kuku could, in your red mist anger, cut off and ear, a nose, pull out teeth, cut off toes?

If no, could you spectate, rejoice in the screams as others carry out the bloodcurdling supposed justice?

Thousand from cities to many to mention, have had to endure terrorism, it has no recourse to the hate it creates.

Moscow, London, Paris, New York how many more?

Kuku if the worlds security services linked arms and shared intelligence, then lives would be saved.

Tajikistan/Uzbekistan crossed my mind as one of the "exotic" places to visit with my family during Golden Week.

Yep, better take the simple path and just stay the heck away from any country ending with "istan"

The offender with the injury to his left ear is in photos 7 (right side) and 16, with the large bandage. The guy in the wheelchair (not pictured here) was the one with the bulging wound to his left eye during his escape and arrest in Bryansk. Possible it has been removed.

The proceedings mentioned in this article took place in Basmanny district court, Moscow.

If only Putin had swallowed his murderous pride and listened to Biden's warnings instead of using his security stooges to harass funeral goers and people wearing rainbow badges.

What a horrid country he has created.

garymalmgren Today  07:40 am JST

Russian authorities arrested four suspected attackers on Saturday,

I am quite surprised that after such intense use of firepower during the attack the "alleged" perpetrators gave up with out a fight.

Anyone can use "intense firepower" on unarmed innocent civilians in a performance hall.

Quite different, though, when they're being arrested by guys who have at least as much firepower as they do.

Like in the other still fresh example, Israeli security forces on Hamas, also Putin and his security forces completely miscalculated the situation. He also got 99.8% presidential support votes from Islamic Chechnya, so surely he thought he can concentrate on Ukraine war and sit back relaxed and has nothing to fear from his own little 'global' South, within Russia or in directly neighborhood. But in fact he already has an active front line in South, so he should ask himself why he opened another one in the Western direction. On the longer run he won't stand that and the situation will slip out of hands. He should and of course could have known better all this, btw similarly like all the other government's dreamers elsewhere, also especially in the globalized 'West' with even much wider open borders, where similar attacks are happening daily, maybe currently more an a smaller daily and not so loud dose instead of those bigger scaled terror outbreaks blasts like this near Moscow, but in sum with quite similar victims counts. So he is not alone with failed analysis and ignoring facts. And of course speaking the same violent language like cutting ears in an interrogation won't so much solve the very fundamental reasons behind all that.

Desert Tortoise Today  10:59 am JST

Recently released footage showed the initial arrest of one suspect, who made an attempt to climb and hide up a tree, in the snowy forest in Bryansk region.

Something that struck me in the images of Crocus City Hall in the immediate aftermath of the attack was the complete lack of snow visible anywhere.

They're about 400 km apart. So why does that "strike" you or surprise you?

Where I live now, there's hardly any snow on the ground. But about 30 km up the road, where I just was the other day, there's snow everywhere.

That's like being surprised there's 50 cm of snow on the ground in Vermont, but no snow on the ground in New York City.

“ISIS bears sole responsibility for this attack. There was no Ukrainian involvement whatsoever,” National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said in a statement.

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And the US knows how?

They have interrogated the subjects?

Slight hubris at work here.

The Russians will end the attackers once they have all useful information from them.

Not surprising there are so many FSB personnel in the photos with such a high-profile case. Even the guy in photo 14 is a former director of that agency.

Reading and looking at other sources confirms FSB spetsnaz tactical units were deployed to lock down the area around the court. Looks like these four guys are going to have a few more sessions in the basement of the Lubyanka Building and spill the beans.

we remember Nord Ost,we remember Beslan.

And some of us remember these were two "own goals" caused by Putin's incompetence and arrogance which led to the cold-blooded murder of the Chechen fighters and the unnecessary deaths of innocents in the Moscow theater and then the deaths of all those children and teachers in the Beslan school who lost their lives through Putin's disastrous decision not to negotiate in good faith, but to use deception and force and cover the bloody tracks of his fubar with a pack of lies blaming the Chechen resistance fighters for the loss of life just so the midget could burnish his reputation as a badass strongman.