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Israel says it won't allow aid to flow to Gaza Strip until Hamas releases hostages

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I hate to say it but I can’t see the hostages being freed. I don’t think Hamas trusts Israel to not wipe everything in Gaza out regardless.

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Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

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—Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

One could make the same argument for Hamas, executing children.

What Hamas has done is unforgivably cruel. Israel should not punish innocent civilians in Gaza.

I don’t see how anyone could think otherwise.

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It's always the extremists who cause the harm of others. Israeli extremists. Pakistani extremists. I'm getting tired of it all.

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Collective punishment - levelling whole neighbourhoods. Using water, food and electricity as a weapon - the "right to self defense".

The legally recognized territory of Israel has not been invaded by an enemy since 1948.

two Palestinians were killed in the West Bank on Thursday when *Israeli settlers sprayed bullets at a funeral for three people killed in a settler rampage the day before*

Netanyahu reportedly said at a 2019 meeting of his Likud party:

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

The event mentioned above, previous events and that the current state of events is largely the result of punitive policies and this regressive mindset.

To be clear: I am not saying Israelis brought these attacks on themselves, that it’s some kind of moral chickens coming home to roost. Nor am I saying that Netanyahu, in place of Hamas, bears moral responsibility for Hamas’s horrifying atrocities against civilians.

What I am saying is that Netanyahu’s policy — visiting harm on the Palestinians in the name of protecting Israelis — is a terrible one. It is both morally indefensible and strategically counterproductive. It is no concession to Hamas, nor legitimation of its violence, to recognize this reality.

After last weekend’s events, it’s exceedingly obvious that trying to crush the Palestinians through settlement and division is not helping anyone. It’s time for a change.

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The "beheading of babies" has been found to be dubious. The White House, NYT, WP, Guardian and other media have walked back that story. The WH spokesman even admitted that they had not seen photos or videos despite Biden asserting he had.

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/

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Unfortunately, Gaza is going to have to suffer for the sins of Hamas. Hamas must be destroyed, however, something has to be done about Gaza to stop this cycle of violence. Gaza has to be a peaceful place for people to live and work. In a way, just as Afghanistan had become a safe haven for UBL and AQ, Gaza has become a safe haven for a group of terrorists worse than ISIS. Anyway, Hamas has to be eliminated, but it's going to come at a heavy price for both Israel and Gaza. After the destruction of Hamas, then something must be done to raise the quality of life for the people of Gaza.

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My big worry/expectation, is that Israel will react in an unreasonable manner, causing more problems than they solve, like how America did with their invasion of Iraq post 9/11.

This terrorist attack by Hamas is horrendous. But the Israeli's should take the time to ensure they don't create more problems with their response.

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is still the result of their parents decision to make a deal with the devil. It is what it is.

You believe in collective punishment.

Pathetic.

—Your disregard for innocent life is truly appalling. 

Right back at you.

I utterly condemn what Hamas did. And I condemn the killing of innocent civilians. Period. So no, not “right back at you”. I do not share your views.

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This is just a mistake on Israel's part: does Israel want to be known for letting preemies die when their incubators turn off? For letting people on respirators die when those turn off? They are going to lose any goodwill they have gained by doing this.

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I think some claims of beheading children have not been proved. Original claim was by one IDF soldier and one Israeli journo

Lots of disinformation out there from both sides.

Netanyahu wants the Gaza strip for Israel and that countries ever increasing encroachment on others land.

The establishment of Israel not a mediated one...lots of Israeli terror forced evacuation of 100, 000 plus Palestinians.

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Well, this is what happens when you vote for a terrorist organization to represent you. This is what war looks like, deal with it.

Hamas was put in power 17 years ago. The majority of Gazans were not alive then.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that rules by force. It is wrong to blame innocent civilians for Hamas’ actions.

Your disregard for innocent life is truly appalling.

Wrong is wrong.

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For all the people who are saying the evidence for massacred babies does not exist, the existence of such pics has now been confirmed by the Jerusalem Post, seen by Tony Blinken, and others. You won’t find the mainstream media showing these. 

For all the Hamas apologists, de-colonizers, from the river to the sea chanters, you’ve shown your cards. This is not about settlements….this is about anti-semitism. You are siding with groups who want the extermination of the Jews. They teach kids from a young age that killing Jews is a virtue. The PLO offers a reward to anyone who kills Jews….but I guess this is about settlements. Lol. What I find especially amusing is when LGBT groups side with Palestine…the inter-sectional nonsense that pervades the Woke Left. They throw gays off the top of buildings in Gaza. 

If people want to take the line, “Well, the Arabs were there first”, well, that is nonsense. Jews have been there since before the Roman empire. There is archaeological evidence to prove this. The thing is, this fact is irrelevant. Israel took most of the land after winning a war in 1948 that they did not instigate. They actually have given land back to Egypt and Jordan as tokens of peace. They pulled completely out of Gaza in 2005, (sorry if this date is slightly off). Operating from a position of strength, they’ve given land back. There has been numerous land deals offered, including parts of Jerusalem offered. (Don’t you find it ironic that Jerusalem, considered a holy place by Muslims, has been hit by missile from Gaza?) They didn’t have to. It has all been refused, because it is not about land. It’s about Israelis being Jews. There has been settlement development in the West Bank, and yes, there has been some terrible things that have happened. But, how long can Israel try to make peace with a neighbor who wants none? 

As for Gaza being an open air prison. Well, if you are going to blame Israel, add Egypt into the mix. I guess that is always conveniently forgotten. Israel screens for weapons. They allow food and and other things into the territory. They’ve even given over 15000 work permits to Gazan to work in Israel. But I guess they hate Palestinians? Arabs on the Supreme Court and in Parliament…but I guess they hate Arabs.If you had a neighbor who was constantly throwing rocks at your house, would you not try to prevent them from getting rocks? Would you let them work on your house? Would you allow them in your house. 

Hamas uses civilian locations to launch missiles. Israel, when bombing places, will notify people in that area to leave because it will be bombed. There is no moral equivalency.

If Hamas had attacked military installations, I would not have had such a problem with it. They didn’t. They purposely targeted civilians, including women, children and elderly, some of whom were Holocaust survivors, and there is a name for that. Terrorists.

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Article 33 of Geneve Convention clearly states that Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. So, it is a war crime to cut supplies of water, electricity, food to the civilians in Gaza Strip, Palestine. One crime does not justify another.

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@JJE

The "beheading of babies" has been found to be dubious. 

But the butchering and burning of them has not.

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Thing is, Hamas broke the cardinal sin of killing too many people at once. Had they only killed or kidnapped a handful, like the IDF does when it "defends" settlers, it would have been business as usual. Maybe a few more work permits and the usual ghetto suffering for the people in Gaza.

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"""TERRORIST Definition: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."""

If Hamas freedom fighters are terrorists !!? what does that make Israel's Occupation soldiers??

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Before the poll and before the Hamas attacks hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated against Netanyahu who still faces corruption charges. He benefits from this Hamas outrage but he will carry the can for the unprecedented violence, the worst in the history of Israel.

A Majority of Israelis Think Netanyahu Should Resign

https://newrepublic.com/post/176200/majority-israelis-think-netanyahu-resign

Netanyahu Is Losing the War at Home Incompetence against Hamas and indifference to Israeli suffering has the public boiling over.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/in-the-israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-is-losing-at-home.html

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UchujinToday 11:13 am JST

Why is the Palestinians not expulsing the hamas and, therefore, protecting them?

If they are unarmed civilians how are they supposed to do that?

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My big worry/expectation, is that Israel will react in an unreasonable manner, causing more problems than they solve, like how America did with their invasion of Iraq post 9/11.

This terrorist attack by Hamas is horrendous. But the Israeli's should take the time to ensure they don't create more problems with their response.

Agreed, but Netanyahu has already acted in an unreasonable manner (and some people are now whispering"what did he know and, when did he know it, ie., the imminent massive assault by Hamas suicide soldiers). So the hour is getting late and the window of self-justification for the right-wing Israeli government is fast closing with every death they cause in Gaza.

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The older I get, the more this stuff depresses me. I just don't get how humans can treat each other the way we've seen over the past week.

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Which side are you on?

The innocent. And you?

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I see Mr. Blinken too trying to score some brownies with Jewish voters who know better, U.S politicians are using this deadly conflict to score points for the next elections, how wrong they are jumping on the bandwagon cashing in and gambling with people lives.

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TERRORIST Definition: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If Hamas freedom fighters are terrorists...

There's no "if" about it. They just used unlawful violence and intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims.

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Also cutting off civilian necessities is collective punishment, which is illegal according to international law.

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One could make the same argument for Hamas, executing children.

If you are saying you approve of the bombing and execution of Palestinian children, just say so clearly.

I have no doubt that Hamas has intentionally killed children. But its obvious that Israel has murdered FAR more.

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"The Palestinian Health Ministry said two Palestinians were killed in the West Bank on Thursday when Israeli settlers sprayed bullets at a funeral for three people killed in a settler rampage the day before. Footage showed Jewish settlers in their cars swerving into the funeral procession and cutting off the road before stopping and opening fire."

There is the problem these extremist settlers are every bit as bad as Hamas but they are allowed to get away with murder! Literally!

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As the famous Koweit fake testimony, medias lie about babees death.

Since decades, sionists treat palestinians as animals in a prison and extend invasion, ignoring ONU etc..., what do you expect as consequences? People starved and ready to fight. Civilians are the victim, its sad but who vote for netanyaou and its politic?

And again, Hammas group creation was thanks to israel help in the 80's.

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So, what is happening in Gaza justifies the murder of civilians, including children, in the streets, in their homes, and at festivals?

So still don't get it...Let me try one last time.

So, what Hamas did justifies bombing Gaza day and night and murdering hundreds of babies and innocent civilians?

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Catstevens.

Most secularly-minded people are largely confused by Jihadist violence. Hamas is Jihadist.  There is no possibility of living in peace with Jihadist; they are perpetually at war with us, and we, whether we know it or not, are at war with them.  They have very different values about the value of human life. Hamas and the people who like them rejoice at death, carnage and savagery. What we call war crimes, they call justice. And rejoice in it.

[We in the the West, BTW, with our public lynchings picnics, our gas chambers, and Japan with the head chopping contest and the Rape of Manilla. -- all for the demi-god Hirohito --, are only a few generations removed from that kind of barbarism]

That said, this article is about Israel collectively punishing Gaza.

What do you think about that?

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Poll: Majority blames gov’t for Hamas massacre, says Netanyahu must resign

An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880

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It's just such a horrible situation. If there is one organization that cares less about the lives of Gazan civilians than the IDF, its Hamas. They will gladly watch hundreds of thousands of Gazan civilians die of hunger and disease as long as it makes Israel look bad - as far as they are concerned, they are all martyrs to their cause. Their mentality is that of ISIS or the attackers at the Bataclan or the Manchester arena bombers.

I fully support Israel going after these terrorists, I don't equate civilians killed in Israeli bombing raids targeting Hamas, who deliberately hide among civilians, in Mosques and hospitals, with what Hamas have done - deliberately murdering unarmed civilians. But I also cannot condone turning off water, electricity, fuel and food and medical supplies that are going to be critical to the survival of 2 million citizens in the coming weeks, many of whom are completely innocent in all of this. Israel should abide by the established rules of war.

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After this over Netanyahu will face his day of reckoning.

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But Hamas took over 100 people hostage. What do you expect? Should Israel just capitulate? Send them flowers? Hamas brought this on to their own people.

Hamas took hostages because 1000's of Palestinians were held by Israel.

This would not have happened if Israel respected international law and moved back to the June 1967 border and let the Palestinians live normal lives. Israel brought this on to their own people.

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UchujinToday 11:45 am JST

IF they want to do it, they can find a way!

Suggestions? Specifics

If you have a "bad" guys living near your home, what will you do? Dont you want to protect your home and family?

Apply your answer to this problem.

Unless you have more weapons than the bad guys you will do nothing. Bullets will harm your family a lot faster than Israel's blockade.

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Keepyer Internetpoints

Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

Sounds convincing, but did you try to look at it from the other side: Should Israel really supply infrastructure to the government that is at war with them? Sounds pretty unheard in the history of armed conflict.

Another question is: Why does Hamas has huge ressources to build rockets and tunnels, but no ressources to build a power and water plants for its population?

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So, what Hamas did justifies bombing Gaza day and night and murdering hundreds of babies and innocent civilians?

No, I've been unequivocal about that. I've been a pro-palestine sympathizer.

But I don't see how anything that has happened in Gaza justifies the terrorist murder of thousands of civilians in the streets of Israel.

Sorry, was I supposed to pretend it's justified because of what has happened in Palestine?

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Hey Strangerland. LTNS!

It's not only terrorism. It's Islamic State Jihadism.

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Cat StevensToday  09:25 am JST

Jews have been there since before the Roman empire.

Natives were in the North and South America before Spanish and Brits. Natives were massacred and wiped out, lands taken by the europeans. Why are you not voicing your concerns and passion for the Natives? Fight for the return of Anatolia to Greeks/Romans as well while you are at it.

Well, if you are going to blame Israel, add Egypt into the mix. I guess that is always conveniently forgotten. Israel screens for weapons.

The article blatantly states "U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, brought shipments of U.S. weapons". Wow you complain about a dozen Egyptian weapons? Yeah hail America, ever the purveyor of peace and hero of the Jews.

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Black Sabbath

Catstevens.

Most secularly-minded people are largely confused by Jihadist violence. Hamas is Jihadist.  There is no possibility of living in peace with Jihadist; they are perpetually at war with us, and we, whether we know it or not, are at war with them. They have very different values about the value of human life. Hamas and the people who like them rejoice at death, carnage and savagery. What we call war crimes, they call justice. And rejoice in it.

[We in the the West, BTW, with our public lynchings picnics, our gas chambers, and Japan with the head chopping contest and the Rape of Manilla. -- all for the demi-god Hirohito --, are only a few generations removed from that kind of barbarism]

That said, this article is about Israel collectively punishing Gaza.

What do you think about that?

I don’t like it, but I understand it. Israel was attacked, they have a right to respond. And in doing so, they are left with some bad option. One, they bomb Gaza, targeting Hamas and suspected terrorist locations, (all the while warning people in that area to leave because it is about to be bombed), and of course, civilian casualties ensue. Two, they mount a ground invasion, an urban combat meat grinder ensues, and massive loss of life, both civilian and military, follows. Three, they do nothing, (which is something that a lot of people seem to want) and they end up looking feckless and weak, which insect a region, would be terrible for them. None of these are good options, but they need to do something. As for cutting off power and water, I don’t like it either. But Hamas took over 100 people hostage. What do you expect? Should Israel just capitulate? Send them flowers? Hamas brought this on to their own people. 

Tell_me_bout_itToday  10:33 am JST

Cat StevensToday  09:25 am JST

Jews have been there since before the Roman empire.

Natives were in the North and South America before Spanish and Brits. Natives were massacred and wiped out, lands taken by the europeans. Why are you not voicing your concerns and passion for the Natives? Fight for the return of Anatolia to Greeks/Romans as well while you are at it.

Clearly, you don't seem to understand my point. Palestinians are constantly making this point, ie, it was our land first. I was just showing that Israel could make this exact same argument, but that it is irrelevant.

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CatStevens

What do you expect? Should Israel just capitulate? Send them flowers? Hamas brought this on to their own people. 

I expect Israel to use Hamas's barbarianism and blood lust as a pretext to do a bit of their own.*

I hope, I support, Israel does what needs to be done to protect itself, and I do not think, as you seem too, that Hamas's atrocity towards the innocent permits Israel to do the same. I remember that a good chunk, what, 1/3? of the people in Gaza are under the age of 14.

[And, no, I am not doing any moral equivalency here. In the end, Hamas is a jihadi terrorist group and and Israel is a country, warts and all ]
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When Israel goes into Gaza with a ground offensive there will be many deaths on both sides.

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If you are saying you approve of the bombing and execution of Palestinian children, just say so clearly.

No. I don't approve Israel killing Palestinian children, nor do I approve Hamas murdering children. Can you say the same?

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I dare you to present an evidence to support this claim.

Really now? You don't think Hamas has killed kids? Here's just one example:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/kibbutz-beeri-israel-war-intl-cmd/index.html

Need I provide more?

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So it's ok if it wasn't intentional?

Interesting "logic".

If you want to go that way then you need to internalize what Israel is doing in Gaza as I am typing this.

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Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

The other sub-human side when attacked hides behind women and children and use them as shield, and than play the victim card...

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Hamas terrorists have a decision to make, release the hostages.

No ifs, no buts, Stop holding the Palestinian people as human shields.

The two-state solution, which will included a solemn undertaking for both Israeli-Palestinian peoples right to exist will be paramount

Israel for the Jewish people and Palestine for the Palestinian people.

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I don’t like it, but I understand it. Israel was attacked, they have a right to respond. 

Perfectly natural for the occupied to have a right to respond to the occupiers.

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IF they want to do it, they can find a way!

Suggestions? Specifics

If you have a "bad" guys living near your home, what will you do? Dont you want to protect your home and family?

Apply your answer to this problem.

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UchujinToday 11:16 am JST

If they are unarmed civilians how are they supposed to do that?

IF they want to do it, they can find a way!

That's not the way the world works: it is very rare that a repressive government is toppled because people prefer to stay alive and not be tortured.

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When Israel goes into Gaza with a ground offensive there will be many deaths on both sides.

More on the side of the terrorists.

Regardless, even though Israel has not yet gone into Gaza there already has been many deaths on Israel's side.

Don't diminish the fact that more than 1000 civilians were murdered by Gazans.

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Fighting house to house where the Hamas know the streets very well will be more difficult than bombing and shelling.

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Hamas did never act like with such atrocities in the past. I believe some ex Islamic State members were recruited or they strongly influenced the Hamas. Otherwise, the Cisjordanie Palestinian territories have been halved by the extending Israel colonization and the “free world” has kept quiet about this.

Both sides do not want piece and have their responsibilities.

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One could make the same argument for Hamas, executing children.

I dare you to present an evidence to support this claim.

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It would be extremely bad press for Israel to bomb and murder their own.

However, north Gaza is being turned into rubble for the IDF to enter in force.

Palestinian depopulation is the result.

Building a more secure barrier to prevent the prisoners from escaping doesn’t seem to be a priority but vengeance does.

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Ms Lindsey (Rep. S.C.) has to put his oar in, saying openly what many governments silently support or are willing to let happen in order that the Israelis totally suppress all Arab resistance to the inhuman conditions in which Gazans have been forced to live:

...we are in a religious war here, I am with Israel. Whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourselves; level the place."

Yeah, just like the Romans (they make a desert and call it peace) or like the Germans who levelled the Warsaw ghetto building by building. The problem is obvious: Israelis have created the biggest ghetto in Gaza the world has ever seen and if violence and killing men, women and children indiscriminately is their idea of "by any means necessary", as many governments are in so many words guilt-facedly advocating, then history is repeating itself: collective punishment is as nazi as it gets. The Jews had their heroic Masada and Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Now the Arabs are ready to die in their Intifada.

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Why is the Palestinians not expulsing the hamas and, therefore, protecting them?

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Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

Do you realise the hypocrisy?

His point isn't one engages in collective punishment while the other does not but both.

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Perfectly natural for the occupied to have a right to respond to the occupiers.

Not when that response is mass-murder of civilians in the streets and in their homes.

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There will be no peace in Israel IF Israel does not move out of Palestine.

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Why would they leave their own homeland? Second, even if they were to do that hypothetically, the killing of Jews would never stop. Period.

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As I told you, this is not an evidence

Even the article says children have been killed:

Hamas after the militants stormed into the country’s south on Saturday and massacred hundreds of people, including killings of children in their homes and young people at a music festival

Why on earth one would defend Hamas is beyond me.

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The more retribution the people of Israel want on Gaza, will be meaded out against them,these Palestinian organization have agent operations in all countries

is this a threat?

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You really need to know what does a "proof" mean.

Here's another one then, if you insist.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/11/israel-father-reaction-daughter-killed-kibbutz-hamas-attack-clarissa-ward-dnt-nn-vpx.cnn

Honestly though, defending the actions of Hamas won't make one look good.

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There is no evidence that Hamas fighters killed her intentionally. Innocent people die in conflicts. So far there is no evidence that Hamas intentionally butchered babies.

So it's ok if it wasn't intentional?

Interesting "logic".

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Hamas may have already won this round.

They have managed to show to the world what Israel really is.

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The "beheading of babies" has been found to be dubious. The White House, NYT, WP, Guardian and other media have walked back that story. The WH spokesman even admitted that they had not seen photos or videos despite Biden asserting he had.

Oh, so in that case, the murdering of the other 1160 civilians was not so bad.

Then again, CBS reported the beheadings, 3 different IDF officials, body-recovery teams, and volunteer emergency response members reported they saw those murdered babies.

CNN's Nic Robertson reported the same.

Sure--with all the video coming out of Hamas shooting unarmed civilians at a concert, breaking into peoples homes and shooting parents trying to cover their children. laughing as they search for people trying to hide in bushes, the Israeli media decided it needed something that sounded so horrible in order to get media attention cast on it, that they decided to make up a story about babies being beheaded.

I mean really, that's something Hamas would never do--they're fighting for their freedom, right?

They don't need bad publicity I guess.

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The ICC's silence while this is happening is deafening.

They are obviously not an impartial court.

With the war criming on both sides, how is silence about both an example of not being impartial?

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Really dude? The same story? You seem very desperate.

Does the story not say Hamas killed an 8 year old?Yes or no.

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If you want to go that way then you need to internalize what Israel is doing in Gaza as I am typing this.

So, what is happening in Gaza justifies the murder of civilians, including children, in the streets, in their homes, and at festivals?

Weird "logic"...

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Poll: Majority blames gov’t for Hamas massacre, says Netanyahu must resign

That won’t happen

An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

Gaza, I agree.

Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.

A JPost another liberal rag, but anyway, who would lead? When would they have elections, there is no one that can do this job well at the present than Bibi.

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Before the poll and before the Hamas attacks hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated against Netanyahu who still faces corruption charges.

And?

He benefits from this Hamas outrage but he will carry the can for the unprecedented violence, the worst in the history of Israel.

Depends, more people are more outraged at Iran spiking and funding Hamas and egging them to do this.

A Majority of Israelis Think Netanyahu Should Resign

That won’t happen, not in the foreseeable future

Netanyahu Is Losing the War at Home Incompetence against Hamas and indifference to Israeli suffering has the public boiling over.

I disagree, the man will pull through this.

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An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

It's a failure of intelligence. That's why you need to sacrifice your civil liberties and be surveillanced. A government that can't protect its citizens from terrorists is an incompetent government. Round the Hamas up and put them in re-educating camps like in Xinjiang.

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IF they want to do it, they can find a way!

Suggestions? Specifics

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So, it is a war crime to cut supplies of water, electricity, food to the civilians in Gaza Strip, Palestine. One crime does not justify another.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Israe was brutally humiliated so it has to take its anger out on all, including innocent civilians.

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Really now? You don't think Hamas has killed kids? Here's just one example:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/kibbutz-beeri-israel-war-intl-cmd/index.html

Need I provide more?

You really need to know what does a "proof" mean.

The link you provided is a sensational story about a family who were hiding in the middle of clashes between Hamas and IDF then they lost her and eventually "found her body". There is no evidence that Hamas intentionally "butchered her".

Perhaps you want to try harder.

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Here's another one then, if you insist.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/11/israel-father-reaction-daughter-killed-kibbutz-hamas-attack-clarissa-ward-dnt-nn-vpx.cnn

Really dude? The same story? You seem very desperate.

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If they are unarmed civilians how are they supposed to do that?

IF they want to do it, they can find a way!

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After this over Netanyahu will face his day of reckoning.

Maybe, maybe not

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The ICC's silence while this is happening is deafening.

The ICC is a court. Do you not understand how courts work or something?

Although, probably not - Russian courts are just rubber stamp networks for the Kremlin, just like the Russian media is nothing more than a Kremlin mouthpiece.

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Hamas was put in power 17 years ago. The majority of Gazans were not alive then. 

And?

Hamas is a terrorist organization that rules by force. It is wrong to blame innocent civilians for Hamas’ actions. 

True, but that is still the result of their parents decision to make a deal with the devil. It is what it is.

Your disregard for innocent life is truly appalling. 

Right back at you.

Wrong is wrong.

But wrong does not make it wrong to fight for your homeland. Hamas will lose this war, it’s just a matter of time.

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Does the story not say Hamas killed an 8 year old?Yes or no.

As I told you, this is not an evidence. This is a story about a girl who was found dead in the middle of a conflict. There is no evidence that Hamas fighters killed her intentionally. Innocent people die in conflicts. So far there is no evidence that Hamas intentionally butchered babies. Even the White House walked back Biden's claims about this topic.

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Hamas has never given the welfare of Palestinians any importance. It is an Islamist terror group whose aim is world wide sharia. It does not want peace with Israel, that is why every peace overture from Israel or mediators has been rejected.

It is to the great misfortune of the Palestinians that Hamas was elected (no more elections after that).

Whats very clear is the vile butchers have to be destroyed. No half measures and “cease fires” this time.

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Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

Do you realise the hypocrisy?

Hamas is a terrorist organisation that engages in collective punishment against innocent babies, children and unarmed civilians.

Hamas needs to be obliterated.

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You believe in collective punishment. 

Pathetic. 

Well, we all have our opinions.

I utterly condemn what Hamas did. And I condemn the killing of innocent civilians.

I feel the same-period.

Period. So no, not “right back at you”. I do not share your views.

Then if that is true what you say, (I hope so, not sure) then you understand since this is war, casualties will happen and they will be unavoidable-period.

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@Keepyer Internetpoints

Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

Sounds like brutal butchering of civilian women, children, toddlers, and the elderly reportedly carried out by the Hamas attackers.

If you don’t value the lives of others, you generally forfeit the value that your life may have.

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Collective punishment is the concept of the cretin and the demon.

So is taking hostages. Kettle, meet pot. Hamas doesn't want peace. They want control, at any price, even if it costs 200,000 Palestinian lives. Never negotiate with terrorists. Never.

Palestine has been ruled by many different groups. The Ottoman empire held it the longest, most recently, until the end of WW1. In the late 1960s, Russia convinced Syria that Israel was going to invade (they weren't) and so Syria, Egypt and Jordan all attacked Israel. Israel took a bunch of land and has retained it since that time.

In 1969, the terrorist, Yasser Arafat got control of the PLO and relations have been bad ever since.

The Palestinians need to do whatever it takes to end this conflict and build trust so they can have their own country. That's the only way for peace.

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Israel engages in collective punishment, even punishing innocent children.

One could make the same argument for Hamas, executing children.

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The more retribution the people of Israel want on Gaza, will be meaded out against them,these Palestinian organization have agent operations in all countries

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You either support Hamas murdering civilians, infants, children, the elderly, and the disabled or you don't.

There is nothing victorious about the beheading of children, the rape of women, and the kidnapping of people.

Which side are you on?

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ISIS jihadi has returned as hamas

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What Hamas has done is unforgivably cruel. Israel should not punish innocent civilians in Gaza. 

I don’t see how anyone could think otherwise

Well, this is what happens when you vote for a terrorist organization to represent you. This is what war looks like, deal with it.

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Israel says it won't allow aid to flow to Gaza Strip until Hamas releases hostages

Anyone supporting those Hamas scum in any manner deserve to suffer to the maximum extent.

No sympathy and no mercy for Gaza.

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