President Donald Trump speaks during a rally in El Paso, Texas, on Monday night. Photo: AP
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In El Paso, Trump and O'Rourke go head-to-head over wall

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By JILL COLVIN and WILL WEISSERT

President Donald Trump charged ahead with his pledge to build a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border, skimming over the details of lawmakers' tentative deal that would give him far less than he's been demanding and declaring he's "setting the stage" to deliver on his signature campaign promise.

In the first dueling rallies of the 2020 campaign season, Trump's "Finish the Wall" rally in El Paso went head-to-head Monday night against counterprogramming by Beto O'Rourke, a former Democratic congressman and potential Trump rival in 2020, who argued that walls cause more problems than they solve.

The rallies across the street from each other served as a preview of the heated yearslong fight over the direction of the country. And they made clear that Trump's long-promised border wall is sure to play an outsized role in the presidential race, as both sides use it to try to rally their supporters and highlight their contrasting approaches.

Standing in a packed stadium under a giant American flag and banners saying "FINISH THE WALL," Trump insisted that large portions of the project are already under construction and vowed to fulfill his 2016 campaign promise regardless of what happens in Congress.

"Walls work," said Trump, whose rally was repeatedly interrupted by protesters. "Walls save lives."

O'Rourke, meanwhile, held a countermarch with dozens of local civic, human rights and Hispanic groups in his hometown, followed by a protest rally attended by thousands on a baseball field within shouting distance from the arena where Trump spoke.

"With the eyes of the country upon us, all of us together are going to make our stand here in one of the safest cities in America," O'Rourke said. "Safe not because of walls but in spite of walls."

More than a half-hour in his rally, Trump had scarcely mentioned immigration, offering just a passing suggestion that those chanting "Build the Wall" switch to "Finish the Wall." Instead, he mocked O'Rourke, insisting the Texan has "very little going for himself except he's got a great first name" and deriding his crowd size, even though both men drew thousands.

"That may be the end of his presidential bid," Trump quipped, adding: "You're supposed to win in order to run."

The rallies began moments after negotiators on Capitol Hill announced that lawmakers had reached an agreement in principle to fund the government ahead of a midnight Friday deadline to avoid another shutdown.

Republicans tentatively agreed to far less money for Trump's border wall than the White House's $5.7 billion wish list, settling for a figure of nearly $1.4 billion, according to congressional aides. The funding measure is through the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.

Three people familiar with Congress' tentative border security deal have told The Associated Press that the accord would provide $1.375 billion to build 55 miles (90 kilometers) of new border barriers — well below the $5.7 billion that Trump demanded to build over 200 miles (320 kilometers) of wall along the Mexican boundary. The money will be for vertical steel slats called bollards, not a solid wall.

The talks had cratered over the weekend because of Democratic demands to limit immigrant detentions by federal authorities, but lawmakers apparently broke through that impasse Monday evening. Now they will need the support of Trump, who must sign the legislation.

But Trump appeared oblivious to the deal, saying that he'd been informed by aides that negotiators had made some progress but that he had declined to be fully briefed because he wanted to go on stage.

"I had a choice. I could've stayed out there and listened, or I could have come out to the people of El Paso, and Texas, I chose you," Trump said. "So we probably have some good news. But who knows?"

Trump, who has been threatening to declare a national emergency to bypass Congress, added, "Just so you know, we're building the wall anyway."

The countermarch began at a high school about a mile from the baseball field in the shadow of Trump's rally, its participants streaming past part of the border and the towering metal slats lining it. Marchers waved handmade signs reading "Fire the Liar," ''Hate Is Not What Makes America Great" and "Make Tacos, Not Walls." They changed "No wall!" and "Beto! Beto! Beto!"

Many marchers, and those in the crowd at the ballpark, carried flags reading "Beto for President 2020" or black-and-white "Beto for Senate" yard signs from his closer-than-expected November race against Republican Sen. Ted Cruz that had been modified slightly to read "Beto for President." The Democrat said the event wasn't only about him — or Trump — but meant to tell the true story of life in El Paso.

"It is going to be the people of the border," O'Rourke told the crowd before beginning the march, "who will write the next chapter in the history of this great country. Ensuring that our laws and our language and our leaders match our values."

Trump has insisted that large portions of the border wall are already underway. But the work focuses almost entirely on replacing existing barriers. Work on the first extension — 14 miles (23 kilometers) in Texas' Rio Grande Valley — starts this month. The other 83 miles (134 kilometers) that his administration has awarded contracts for are replacement projects.

Trump has repeatedly pointed to El Paso to make his case that a border wall is necessary, claiming that barriers turned the city from one of the nation's most dangerous to one of its safest.

"You know where it made a difference is right here in El Paso," he said Monday, adding: "They're full of crap when they claim it hasn't made a big difference."

But that's not true.

El Paso had a murder rate of less than half the national average in 2005, a year before the most recent expansion of its border fence. That's despite being just across the border from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, a city plagued by drug violence. The FBI's Uniform Crime Report shows that El Paso's annual number of reported violent crimes dropped from nearly 5,000 in 1995 to around 2,700 in 2016. But that corresponded with similar declines in violent crime nationwide and included periods when the city's crime rates increased year over year, despite new fencing and walls.

The Trump campaign released a video showing El Paso residents saying the wall helped reduce crime. But many in the city have bristled at the prospect of becoming a border wall poster child.

Trump advisers have long insisted that, fulfilled or not, the wall is a winning issue for the president, who has already sought to rewrite the "Build the Wall" chants that were a staple of his 2016 campaign to "Finish the Wall."

An AP-NORC poll conducted during last month's shutdown found that more Americans oppose a wall than support it. But nearly 8 in 10 Republicans are in favor, with only about 1 in 10 opposed.

Democrats, meanwhile, are adamant that Trump's insistence on a wall helps them and point to their 2018 midterm election gains in the House as proof that voters want to block Trump's agenda.

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When will Trump learn that walls are not the answer?

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When will Trump learn that walls are not the answer?

once he's confined within four padded ones?

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But Trump appeared oblivious to the deal, saying that he'd been informed by aides that negotiators had made some progress but that he had declined to be fully briefed so he could go on stage.

"I had a choice. I could've stayed out there and listened, or I could have come out to the people of El Paso, and Texas, I chose you," Trump said.

Of course he did. He could either run the risk of being made to look clueless in a room filled with much smarter people running verbal rings around him while discussing topics he could hardly focus on for more than a minute or get his ego boosted by a crowd of idiots cheering and whooping as he comes out with all the same rambling BS that he always does. A no-brainer, I'd have thought.

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"They're full of crap when they claim it hasn't made a big difference," Trump said.

But that's not true.

When you don't have a convincing case to make, just make stuff up. Trump has been doing this his entire life. That's what he calls winning, and his followers don't seem to have a problem with it.

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President Donald Trump charged ahead Monday with his pledge to build a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border, skimming over the details of lawmakers' tentative deal that would give him far less than he's been demanding and declaring he's "setting the stage" to deliver on his signature campaign promise.

"That's right Ann and Rush - I kept my promise - just look at that beautiful wall of 1 foot high traffic cones - it's impenetrable..."

Standing in a packed stadium under a giant American flag and banners saying "FINISH THE WALL," Trump insisted that large portions of the project are already under construction and vowed to fulfill his 2016 campaign promise regardless of what happens in Congress.  "Walls work," Trump said. "Walls save lives."

"Walls are also great for keeping people in - I have walls around Mar-A Lago and all my golf course so I can keep the illegal immigrants I employ inside - they work cheaper that way..."

More than a half-hour in his rally, Trump had scarcely mentioned immigration, offering just a passing suggestion that those chanting "Build the Wall" switch to "Finish the Wall." Instead, he mocked O'Rourke, insisting the Texan has "very little going for himself except he's got a great first name" and mocking his crowd size, even though both men drew thousands.  "That may be the end of his presidential bid," Trump quipped, adding: "You're supposed to win in order to run."

Of course, Beto doesn't have a Special Counsel and the NY District Attorney investigating him - nor have 38 of his associates been indicted or convicted...  And I bet he doesn't have anyone as creepy as Manafort and Stone working for him...

You know where it made a difference is right here in El Paso," he said Monday, adding: "They're full of crap when they claim it hasn't made a big difference," Trump said.

But that's not true.

El Paso had a murder rate of less than half the national average in 2005, a year before the most recent expansion of its border fence. That's despite being just across the border from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, a city plagued by drug violence. The FBI's Uniform Crime Report shows that El Paso's annual number of reported violent crimes dropped from nearly 5,000 in 1995 to around 2,700 in 2016. But that corresponded with similar declines in violent crime nationwide and included periods when the city's crime rates increased year over year, despite new fencing and walls.

And now we know who is the king of crap....but as dictators have said throughout millennium, instilling fear is the first step in controlling the sheep...

Trump advisers have long insisted that, fulfilled or not, the wall is a winning issue for the president, who has already sought to rewrite the "Build the Wall" chants that were a staple of his 2016 campaign to "Finish the Wall."

"Build the wall", "Finish the wall",  Now put Trump and the rest of his crime mob "behind the wall(s)"...

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Eventually, facts return to bite you in the butt. You can run away from a failed construction business, a failed casino business, and many other failures - but the facts remain.

Trump is lying about the fine city of El Paso, the efficacy of the wall, and how much of his white elephant has been built. And he has nowhere left to run.

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Sometimes one has to wonder if the true intent of the wall is to keep out vs keep people in from leaving.  Why not save the billions, build a DMZ like in Korea, and pretty sure illegal border crossings would come to an almost near halt. I doubt anyone would be that crazy unless they are on a suicide mission. As for tunneling, put them in deep enough as well so that if disturbed well boom.. Now for the illegal drug trafficking, well as El Chapo has proven, submarines and a fleet of high speed boats, airplanes pretty much did the trick and now with delivery drones. well what can one say..

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The status quo for the past 20, 30, 40 or more years has been that the border between the US and Mexico is porous. Even for illegal crossing assistance, the cost is modest: around 1-2 grand in my guess. Changing this status quo will be very painful for some who have taken it for granted and benefited from it.

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Maybe Trump can fund his wall with all the money he's taken from us in his "tax scam". Many Americans are finding out that they actually owe money, or have their refunds greatly reduced this tax season.

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Good ol' Donny!

Another failed project, as so many before.

Reminds me of this song: dreamer, nothing but a dreamer.

But "his numbers" are so great.

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Was interesting to see Trump on the news, telling his latest lies, this time about El Paso.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/12/no-crisis-exists-el-paso-officials-tell-trump-stop-falsehoods-about-their-border-city/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a549c669e99

How can his acolytes swallow such lies with a straight face? How can they defend them?

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Trump told the crowd in the arena “there are 35,000 people here.” Fire marshal estimated a total of 6,500 according to the El Paso Times.

So important to have El Paso’s well-known former representative, local officials and residents make a vocal stand against Trump’s histrionic lying, stupidity and obsessive-compulsive narcissistic personality disorders.

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Typical of socialists. Having a bus driver run Venezuela - disregarding how a prosperous country got run into a living hell.

Now thinking that an unemployed nobody who lost an election wasting $millions in outside contributions and spoke to a small group of unhinged activists is at par with a duly-elected President and successful businessman.

We'll get you a wall - all you need to do is thank us later when drug smuggling and illegal immigration are drastically curtailed.

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Typical of socialists. Having a bus driver run Venezuela - disregarding how a prosperous country got run into a living hell.

I'd sooner trust a bus driver than a snobby elitist who got elected on a campaign of fear and racism. And Venezeula was turned into a hell by corportate and American interference.

Now thinking that an unemployed nobody who lost an election wasting $millions in outside contributions and spoke to a small group of unhinged activists is at par with a duly-elected President and successful businessman.

More snobbery. Trump inherited his money, was bankrupted 6 times and destroyed small businesses. That's not success, that's dodgy.

We'll get you a wall - all you need to do is thank us later when drug smuggling and illegal immigration are drastically curtailed.

Walls can be torn down. And will.

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We’ll get you a wall

I think Trump prefers the word ‘physical barrier’ these days.

He’s been bargained down from a beautiful wall which Mexico will pay for to a physical barrier which led to a government shutdown over who will pay for it.

A pretty convincing impression of a jellyfish.

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Consider that in California, especially LA, there is a huge homeless explosion. Even professionals are living in vans. Then the governor says something like we are a haven. Rich people are idiots.

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Someone doesn't know that the vast majority of drugs and undocumented immigrants enter the US through ports of entry. ROFL!

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Who is claiming that Venezuela's problems are allthe fault if the US?

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1) Both north and south borders should have a delineated border.

2) Visa overstayers should be deported.

3) Those who entered illegally should be deported.

The above are all common sense for every other country in the world that every one of us visit or live in. Should be non-issue to also have in the US.

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No democratic president has ever lost the popular vote, they have all won the electoral college as well. Facts suck when they demonstrate you are utterly incorrect, eh.

Trump doesn't control who benefits from the jobs, so you cannot honestly hold up the employment rate of minorities as evidence that Trump isn't racist. However, we can point to his racist rental practices and say he is racist. Damn, there are them fact things again.

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Stranger and Lincoln: You lads crack me up. Always appreciate the laughs and the cold, hard fact-driven logic.

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Trump's doing his best to turn Texas blue. He might just lose the state next year (if he does indeed run).

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Word has it that Trump is considering raiding funds meant for disaster relief in California and Puerto Rico to build his precious - but not unspent funds intended for hurricane relief in Texas.

I'd kinda like to see him try that. He'd be out of office before the litigation was resolved.

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When will Trump learn that walls are not the answer?

When will you learn that walls work and walls save lives?

Three people familiar with Congress' tentative border security deal have told The Associated Press that the accord would provide $1.375 billion to build 55 miles (90 kilometers) of new border barriers 

Good grief. Just declare the national emergency already, Mr. president, the Dems are never going to pass anything close to what is necessary.

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Word has it that Trump is considering raiding funds meant for disaster relief in California and Puerto Rico to build his precious - but not unspent funds intended for hurricane relief in Texas.

Wouldn't surprise me. As predictable as getting two downvotes, at this stage.

Disasters, which means actual people losing their lives isn't sexy enough for Trump voters, they get much more turned on by non-existent invasions or mindless tropes about Mexicans etc being criminals and rapists.

This says a lot about the mindset that allowed an actual criminal and sex pest into the White House.

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Trump really made democrats look stupid when he talked about their Green Deal. Ban air travel. Really? Do the democrats know the rest of the world will still be flying? Our rich celebs too, on their private jets? Ban cars? Cows? It’s ridiculous.

Loved the way he slammed “late term abortion” too. Good rally. Beto’s rally, on the other hand was pretty lame.

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Good rally. Beto’s rally, on the other hand was pretty lame.

Trump had many thousands of supporters show up for his rally. Down the street Beto had his rally where it was believed that there were more light bulbs at his rally than people.

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People who say that the New green deal would ban air travel, cars, and cows make themselves look stupid whilst demonstrating their lack of critical thinking ability and literacy.

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Loved the way he slammed “late term abortion” too.

Kinda ironic, given how many procedures he's allegedly paid for.

But hey, hypocrisy is just fine when the sickly leader does it.

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Trump had many thousands of supporters show up for his rally.

But not as many as he claimed. Only 6 thousand were in attendance.

Why do Trumpists support a serial liar?

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Of course he did. He could either run the risk of being made to look clueless in a room filled with much smarter people running verbal rings around him while discussing topics he could hardly focus on for more than a minute or get his ego boosted by a crowd of idiots cheering and whooping as he comes out with all the same rambling BS that he always does. A no-brainer, I'd have thought.

Not quite sure about it, he looked smart, calm, cool and collected to me and as long as liberals continue on this radical tirade, it looks like he’s going to have even better days ahead, keep it up and sliding into 2020 will be easier than baking apple pie.

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Trump had many thousands of supporters show up for his rally

Trump failed. Proof:

Budget deal allows far less money than Trump wanted for wall

(news source)

FAIL (Again). But I keep hearing black unemployment is down and we have still yet to find Hillary's emails

When will you learn that walls...

can be defeated with ladders (thousands of years ago)?

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bass4funkToday 07:31 pm JST

"Of course he did. He could...

Not quite sure about it...

If I hadn't looked properly at the quoted content I would have had no idea this was supposed to be a reply to my comment.

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If I hadn't looked properly at the quoted content I would have had no idea this was supposed to be a reply to my comment.

It’s a much needed statement, Simon.

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“Make tacos, not walls”?

Yeah people are really informed about the issues on Robert O’Rourke side. He lost to Cruz who was crushed by Trump. But he sure is gonna win somehow!

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“The agreement would provide $1.375 billion in funding for 55 miles of new barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border that would be comprised of steel slats or bollards, not concrete, according to a congressional source. The figure is well below the $5.7 billion Trump has demanded since December.”

uh oh sounds like Dems caved. New “barriers” are funded. “But but they aren’t concrete” cry liberals. Whatever. Walls can be made out of things other than concrete.

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uh oh sounds like Dems caved.

55 miles of border? What kind of wall is that? They can go over (ladders, drones, slingshots), under (shovels), or around (walking). Trump has failed. Trump better not sign this or Ann Coulter will be mad. Did you hear what Hannity said about the deal? Trump has failed. 55 miles? Are you kidding?

Hannity called this a "garbage deal". Trump better not sign this.

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“The agreement would provide $1.375 billion in funding for 55 miles of new barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border that would be comprised of steel slats or bollards, not concrete, according to a congressional source. The figure is well below the $5.7 billion Trump has demanded since December.”

uh oh sounds like Dems caved. New “barriers” are funded. “But but they aren’t concrete” cry liberals. Whatever. Walls can be made out of things other than concrete.

Is Mexico paying for it? Don't think so - FAIL... "It will be a pre-cast concrete wall" - Nope... "I want $5.7 billion" - Nope, you ain't getting even half that... FAIL...

Trumpers would declare victory if there was a line in the sand, "Look at that fortified barrier..."

Not quite sure about it, he looked smart, calm, cool and collected to me

He looked like a sleezy Las Vegas lounge lizard - he belongs back on the Apprentice with Meatloaf and Gary Busey - and Omarrosa....

and as long as liberals continue on this radical tirade, it looks like he’s going to have even better days ahead,

Enjoy that cell at Leavenworth Donnie - don't drop the soap....

keep it up and sliding into 2020 will be easier than baking apple pie.

Sliding - an accurate adjective for someone so slimy...

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People who say that the New green deal would ban air travel, cars, and cows make themselves look stupid whilst demonstrating their lack of critical thinking ability and literacy.

AOC is the dumbest person to ever enter politics, dumber even than Maxine Waters. It sounds like a 3rd grader wrote the New Green Deal.

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Is Mexico paying for it? Don't think so - FAIL... "It will be a pre-cast concrete wall" - Nope... "I want $5.7 billion" - Nope, you ain't getting even half that... FAIL...

Trump did get some money, now that’s a start, now all he needs is to go through the other vast resources to get the rest. WIN.

The Democrats said, he can use any material to make the wall, big WIN!

The Dems want to decrease the amount of ICE agents along the border, but Trump can now add as many beds and incarcerate illegals as much as he pleases, another big WIN!

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He looked like a sleezy Las Vegas lounge lizard - he belongs back on the Apprentice with Meatloaf and Gary Busey - and Omarrosa....

O’Rourke in his own town couldn’t even get over 1,200 spectators. Pathetic....he’s also the wrong color and definitely the wrong gender.

Enjoy that cell at Leavenworth Donnie - don't drop the soap....

In a Spliff’s empty dream. Lol

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Trump doesn't control who benefits from the jobs, so you cannot honestly hold up the employment rate of minorities as evidence that Trump isn't racist. However, we can point to his racist rental practices and say he is racist. Damn, there are them fact things again.

Semantics. Words can only bring you as far as you can fool low-information voters.

Lowest unemployment rates ever for whole segments of the electorate.

You think that those former Dems or those black and hispanic families who've been waiting 8 years for a good-paying job care about what leftists or the media say?

I thought so.

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O’Rourke in his own town couldn’t even get over 1,200 spectators

Trump can't even get anything beyond 55 miles for a fence. 55 mile fence? You don't even need a ladder or shovel. Just walk around it. All you need are shoes. What a joke. Hannity said the deal is garbage and I am hearing Ann Coulter is very upset. Trump better not sign and the government better be shut down or Ann Coulter will call Trump a wimp again.

55 miles? That is a joke. Who cares about spectators. Spectators don't save lives. Only walls do

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Is Mexico paying for it? Don't think so - FAIL... "It will be a pre-cast concrete wall" - Nope... "I want $5.7 billion" - Nope, you ain't getting even half that... FAIL...

Trump did get some money, now that’s a start, now all he needs is to go through the other vast resources to get the rest. WIN.

"Mexico will pay for the wall, mark my words, mark my words" OK - words marked down as FAIL....

"I demand $5.7 billion" - Nope, you get less than half that - FAIL...

"I shut down the government for over 30 days and got.....nothing" - FAIL...

"I want 2000 miles of fence" - Nope you get 55, less than 1% - BIG TIME FAIL...

Can't wait to hear what Ann and Rush say about this - brace yourself Trumpers...your conservative icons are about ready to unleash the humiliation...

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Moving the goal posts again. What is 55 miles of border wall?

55 miles more than you said he would ever get. It’s a good START. Who is paying for it? Don’t care. It’s getting built that’s all what matters.

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In what liberal math is 55 less than 1% of 2000?

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“low intelligence”, claim the group who can never seem to do basic mathematics correctly.

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In what liberal math is 55 less than 1% of 2000?

2,000 divided by 55 equals 2.75 percent. We are sorry for the mistake. But you all you need is shoes to walk around the wall that is only 55 miles long. No longer need a ladder. Ann Coulter is not happy. Hannity calls it a garbage deal.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/government-shutdown-deal-border-hannity-1164567

As if on cue - Hey Trumpers, your boy Hannity thinks the agreement is a big CAVE....

He doesn't think it's a "Win" - he thinks it s Big Time "FAIL"...

So, is he right or wrong?

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Inaccuracies? Your team wrote it. all we did was just read it and give thanks that we are not as dumb as that document was.

Zero sum because we can’t get rid of planes “right away” and we can’t stop cows from farting.

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It IS a garbage deal. But you said no funding at ALL. So still a win and a nice place to start, not end.

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Your team wrote it. all we did was just read it and give thanks that we are not as dumb as that document was.

55 miles will not stop the murders and rapists. They will just walk around the 55 mile fence (not even a wall)

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Sorry for the rounding error - once again...

"Mexico will pay for the wall, mark my words, mark my words" OK - words marked down as FAIL....

"I demand $5.7 billion" - Nope, you get less than half that - FAIL...

"I shut down the government for over 30 days and got.....nothing" - FAIL...

"I want 2000 miles of fence" - Nope you get 55, less than 5% - BIG TIME FAIL...

Can't wait to hear what Ann and Rush say about this - brace yourself Trumpers...your conservative icons are about ready to unleash the humiliation...

We already heard - Sean thinks its a "CAVE"... Ann - we're waiting for your words of humiliation...

So who's right Trumpers - you said above this deal is a 'Win", yet your conservative icons say its a "Cave"..

Who's right?

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Hannity's words just now - "Garbage compromise"....doesn't sound like a win to me....

Is he wrong?

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It IS a garbage deal. But you said no funding at ALL. So still a win and a nice place to start, not end.

Can you believe this? They call it a garbage deal and a "win" - nope, it's unbelievable...

"Yea, we won and our deal is garbage"....

Hypocrisy and contradiction are concepts they just don't recognize...

You got had Trumpers - just like you did in the shutdown - 30 days, untold damage to our economy, families hurt, borders endangered - and you got nothing, except Coulter calling Donnie a "lunatic" and a "liar".

https://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-slams-trump-lying-about-wall-already-being-built-does-he-think-1254477

Now two weeks later and you get less than half the money and less than 5% of the wall...what's going along the other 95% - traffic cones?

Mark my words, you failed...

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