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courts in many other parts of the world have been moving in the opposite direction.

In the US system the courts are one of the three branches of government, but in the last few years what is now known as the fourth branch of government the

Evangelical extremists, M-T-G Gym Jordan, Coach Tuberville , ie. therump sect have become powerful enough to affect governments at all levels pushing the country farther right, not surprisingly many in that that sect feel more closely aligned with and supportive of Russia than they do the US. Yet they somehow consider themselves to be patriots, and those who do not follow along with them to be traitors.

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As women in the United States find themselves on the verge of possibly losing the constitutional right to abortion, courts in many other parts of the world have been moving in the opposite direction.

Lets see the abortion opponents embrace free healthcare and a guaranteed social safety net for all the unwanted babies starting out with few advantages and massive hurdles to overcome in their lives.

Are the unborn worth a hit to shareholder value?

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The phrase “reproductive rights” is claptrap to me. No one in the USA is being denied the act to reproduce or not reproduce. The fact that “killing babies” needs to be rebranded as “reproductive justice” and all the other euphemisms is telling that deep down inside, these people know that what they are doing is wrong. Of course there will always be special circumstances that justify the termination of a pregnancy. But reproductive rights and reproductive justice are not one of them. I’m thinking of cases of rape and incest, which is different from these new millennium momentums.

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Evangelical extremists, M-T-G Gym Jordan, Coach Tuberville , ie. therump sect have become powerful enough to affect governments at all levels pushing the country farther right,

No, they’re no more extremists than the progressive Squad and their far out radical members like: AOC and Omar that push for unfettered abortion across the board. This is more leftist lunacy talk. The bottom line is “Roe v Wade” was a very bad legislation that should have never been ruled down. In a free and true democracy every vote counts, EVERY VOTE. The ruling (hopefully) will reset the record and turn it over back to the States and back to the people and giving them the power back to decide for their own State how they want to deal with the abortion issue. The Federal government should have never gotten involved and stripped the rights away from the people. Allowing people to determine their own destination is the epitome of a true functioning democracy.

not surprisingly many in that that sect feel more closely aligned with and supportive of Russia than they do the US.

Yeah, that rant is slowly and not unexpectedly losing its juice. It had its run, new game plan time.

Yet they somehow consider themselves to be patriots,

To push for democracy, yes.

and those who do not follow along with them to be traitors.

That goes both ways, but The establishment is getting hammered and rightfully so.

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To push for democracy, yes.

What happened to "my body, my choice, my rights". Or does that not pertain to women?

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What happened to "my body, my choice, my rights". Or does that not pertain to women?

…and you can counter that with “all life and unborn lives matter.”

Again, this should go back to the States and both sides and people can make their arguments and let the people decide. Remember, a few years ago, we didn’t have a choice regarding the vaccine and wearing a mask, so we shouldn’t make that mistake again, don’t force people, let them vote on it.

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No, they’re no more extremists than the progressive Squad and their far out radical members like: AOC and Omar that push for unfettered abortion across the board. This is more leftist lunacy talk.

Ad hominem nonsense.

Their comprehensive positions on social issues are what distinguish them from the Evangelical/rightist contingent.

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Every vote counts"

I fully agree, but if that is the case then politicians who receive fewer votes should accept their defeat, step down, slime away and let the politicians who received the most votes do their jobs. Of course the losers still have the right to express opinions, but should not lead attempts to violently overthrow the properly elected officials. Let China, Russia, Belarus, and Gulf oil kingdoms (i.e key members of the global establishment) have leaders for life, or until 2036 with Putin. Curious how extremists can rail against the 'establishment' while fully supporting the globe's fossil fuel barons, the very definition of establishment powers., those who control the fossil economy and start wars to protect their territory, investments and interests.

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The bottom line is “Roe v Wade” was a very bad legislation that should have never been ruled down.

So, the bottom line according to you and correct me if I’m wrong, is that the Supreme Court sometimes makes a huge mistake?

In a free and true democracy every vote counts, EVERY VOTE.

Lots of WOMEN vote.

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You can be sure, absolutely sure, that the Presidential nominee who pledges to protect Roe vs Wade will win.

Republicans are dancing on their own grave over this until they realise and 180 on it.

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…and you can counter that with “all life and unborn lives matter.”

Counter? Those are contradicting slogans both used by by the anti-abortionist right...

So which is it? "My body, my choice?" or "All unborn lives matter?

Remember, a few years ago, we didn’t have a choice regarding the vaccine

Yep, vaccine mandates...just like Fox News implemented...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/19/media/fox-vaccine-passport/index.html

But hey, the vaccine is a "medical miracle" and "it's safe and it works"....wonder why so many of the far right think it's poison...

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Ad hominem nonsense. 

To the blind unwilling to see, perhaps.

Their comprehensive positions on social issues are what distinguish them from the Evangelical/rightist contingent.

Ok, that's how you see it, the other side sees it from a compassionate basic right to life, which that thought process in itself is a fundamental human right.

Again, you are making a one-sided emotional argument and this is why neither side can win, so let the States and the people or majority within each State have their say, vote on it, and kick the Federal government out of the State issue.

You can be sure, absolutely sure, that the Presidential nominee who pledges to protect Roe vs Wade will win. 

Well, Trump running he would protect the right to life, so....

And remember, the Democrats at this point are lucky to even have a pulse and it's faint, the country is split down the middle and the enthusiasm gap is not on the Dems side, add to that there was another Democrat that called it quits which makes that count now 33 that is not seeking re-election for the midterms, this is very bad and many are losing gubernatorial races, better think on that one...

Republicans are dancing on their own grave over this until they realise and 180 on it.

No, not by any poll, at this point, they are on Mt. Zion

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So, the bottom line according to you and correct me if I’m wrong, is that the Supreme Court sometimes makes a huge mistake?

Usually, they don't, but they are human and Roe v Wade was without a doubt a huge mistake.

In a free and true democracy every vote counts, EVERY VOTE.

Lots of WOMEN vote.

And MEN and again, as citizens of a free nation, all Americans should vote on the issue.

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Again, you are making a one-sided emotional argument

On this issue and others, arguments based on facts and logic .

Emotional arguments containing elements of projection use "lunacy talk" as an illogical rebuttal.

If the unborn are so precious, give them guaranteed health care and social safety net so they do not start out with crippling hardship in early life.

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Republicans are dancing on their own grave over this until they realise and 180 on it.

No, not by any poll, at this point, they are on Mt. Zion

There is a poll that shows the majority of Americans support overturning Roe vs Wade? Ok. Show me.

I’ll go first. The Hill, you like that one.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3475854-most-americans-support-legal-abortion-upholding-roe-v-wade-poll/amp/

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As U.S. poised to restrict abortion, other nations ease access

Anyone think people from those other nations will stop trying to enter into the US because of this issue?

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On this issue and others, arguments based on facts and logic .

According to whom?

Emotional arguments containing elements of projection use "lunacy talk" as an illogical rebuttal. 

You can make that statement for both sides

If the unborn are so precious, give them guaranteed health care and social safety net so they do not start out with crippling hardship in early life.

ROFL, No one gets guaranteed healthcare, not even the adults unless you work for a private company.

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Why is it that men feel that they are responsible for deciding what a woman should do with her body? If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, then the government should make all hospital costs for giving birth to a child totally free, and take full responsibility for helping mothers of that child until they are an adult, because simply being "alive" doesn't equate to "living". Living in perpetual poverty, neglect, and abuse doesn't mean you're living a healthy life.

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Anyone think people from those other nations will stop trying to enter into the US because of this issue?

Nobody who thinks. Are you saying you believe immigrants come to the US to get abortions?

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So the far-righters here all believe in the so-called "replacement theory"... Don't know what that is - just watch Tucker Carlson - he explains it in between his pro-Putin talking points...

Basically, adherents to replacement theory believe Dems/leftists/progressives/etc., are plotting to drive the white race to minority status in the US by bringing in brown people to replace them - legal and illegal immigration, etc. They will reproduce and become the majority voting electorate in the US - leaving whites as a distinct minority, with all that entails...

So the question for our far-right friends is, should these replacement illegal immigrants who are in the US and pregnant be allowed an abortion? Or should they be required to carry their babies to term so that they can "replace" you?

What say you?

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Why is it that men feel that they are responsible for deciding what a woman should do with her body?

Because in the US all citizens have the right to vote on the issue. If you want to exclude men, then that means women doctors can’t do circumcisions or join the military, become pilots etc.

If you live in a county where one town you have 200 women that are for abortion and 300 that are against it, now you have 200 men that support the women's right to freedom of choice giving the women that support it a jump over the 300 supporters that are against it. You think the woman supporting abortion wouldn’t use these 200 supporting men to help them get more votes in their favor to uphold abortion rights? So yes, men do have a say.

If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, then the government should make all hospital costs for giving birth to a child totally free, and take full responsibility for helping mothers of that child until they are an adult,

Ok, put the US is not Scandinavian and doesn’t have the money or resources to pay for all of that. Limited, up to 6 months, perhaps.

because simply being "alive" doesn't equate to "living".

Why?

Living in perpetual poverty, neglect, and abuse doesn't mean you're living a healthy life.

No, but you are alive and all life is precious especially when you are starting out.

So the question for our far-right friends is, should these replacement illegal immigrants who are in the US and pregnant be allowed an abortion?

illegal aliens should have no rights to demand or ask for anything since they are illegally in the country. They should be sent back

Or should they be required to carry their babies to term so that they can "replace" you?

carry the baby to term and then promptly send them back after the baby is born.

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as citizens of a free nation, all Americans should vote on the issue.

If that happens abortion rights will remain as they are. So sure, listen to the people.

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I wonder if abortions can still be performed on federal property even in states that may ban or otherwise limit the procedure?

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So the question for our far-right friends is, should these replacement illegal immigrants who are in the US and pregnant be allowed an abortion?

illegal aliens should have no rights to demand or ask for anything since they are illegally in the country. They should be sent back

Yep, but that didn't happen from 2016-2020 did it...and Carlson say's they aren't being sent back - they're here to "replace" you...so they should still carry the baby to term and live in an immigrant-friendly Blue State?

Or should they be required to carry their babies to term so that they can "replace" you?

carry the baby to term and then promptly send them back after the baby is born.

Hmmm....OK, so they're here illegally but should be allowed to remain until the baby is born....interesting. And who pays for their medical care pre-and post pregnancy?

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This constitutional crisis imploding in Scotus is the inevitable, predictable result of several decades of "politically correct" right-wing rule that has shifted the consensus towards a form of "friendly fascism" (btw, the title of a scary book every American highschooler should read). "Thinking on the right" is the noxious kudzu of American life that today is flowering into a real threat to the freedoms of Americans. The "leak" of Alito's thinking is just the tip of the iceberg that will sink the republic unless people wake up and root out the rot.

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When the U.S. Supreme Court's final decision is handed down, expected in late June or early July, the world will be watching.

Ok world, watch.

And then what?

Bob FosseToday  09:25 am JST

If that happens abortion rights will remain as they are. So sure, listen to the people.

That is false because first, abortion is currently constitutionally protected and that would no longer be the case.

Second, when the issue goes to the states to regulate abortion, about 25 of those states could outlaw abortion.

So, yeah, we should listen to the people.

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If you live in a county where one town you have 200 women that are for abortion and 300 that are against it, now you have 200 men that support the women's right to freedom of choice giving the women that support it a jump over the 300 supporters that are against it. You think the woman supporting abortion wouldn’t use these 200 supporting men to help them get more votes in their favor to uphold abortion rights? So yes, men do have a say. 

You want each town to vote and have distinct laws?

If the whole country votes on abortion, men and women, Roe vs Wade is staying. Every poll says so. You were big on polls an hour ago, what happened?

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If that happens abortion rights will remain as they are. So sure, listen to the people.

That is false because first, abortion is currently constitutionally protected and that would no longer be the case.

Did you read the ‘if that happens’ bit I was responding to that you decided not to quote?

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If that happens abortion rights will remain as they are. So sure, listen to the people.

Sadly, doesn't look like it. Give it back to the States and allow democracy to play itself out.

Yep, but that didn't happen from 2016-2020

It did

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

Carlson say's they aren't being sent back

Now they are not.

they're here to "replace" you...so they should still carry the baby to term and live in an immigrant-friendly Blue State?

If the rich elite will subsidize them and allow them to live in their cities and neighborhoods or send them back preferably.

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Allowing people to determine their own destination is the epitome of a true functioning democracy.

And yet you oppose abortion. So much for allowing women to determine their own destiny.  Too many wretched old men telling women what to do and think. I think many evangelical republicans confuse democracy with theocracy. The US is not a theocracy. There are no religious tests allowed for high public office yet the republican party requires their candidates to express fealty to evangelical christianity. It is wrong. No level of government has any right to enforce religious dogmas on the general population. That is an affront to democratic rights! It is, in fact, religious tyranny.

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Freedom of choice for abortion will remain for pregnant woman in the USA.

don't believe anything else.

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The staggering collapse of the US into a Christian Fascist neo-feudal horrorshow continues to accelerate. What a nightmare that they're going to take the rest of the world down with them...

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I'm not buying the states rights angle. It's difficult to believe someone wants to force a woman to bring to term a baby via rape but is totally cool if that kid is aborted in California.

Doesn't add up. Life is either precious or it isn't.

But I think that will be the only angle the GOP can play. There were no congratulations from GOP leaders when the leak came out. McConnell refused to comment. You'd think they'd be celebrating? No. They're being exposed as a group that uses abortion as a wedge issue but don't fully support a ban. They are stuck and the states rights issue is the only safe comment they can make.

I also believe those who are against abortion are just against it for other people. They like to talk tough but if any of their loved ones were harmed and impregnated by a stranger they will be on the first plane to Cali. Guaranteed. That includes people here.

One interesting fact I learned was the half of all abortions are done via pill. I didn't realize it was so high. State governments are saying they will ban those companies but it's a pipe dream. Business finds a way around everything.

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One thing the anti-abortionists here haven't made clear is their position. In my eyes there's a wide gulf between exceptions for incest, rape, and the mothers health, and a 100% ban.

I know Bass supports exceptions, but have yet to hear of anyone else who has the guts to say their position.

So what is it? A total ban? Exceptions?

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Yep, but that didn't happen from 2016-2020

It did

It didn't...Obama returned more immigrant families than Trump...what's up with that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/ice-deportations-decline/2020/12/23/b9c8841c-4532-11eb-b0e4-0f182923a025_story.html

Then why is Carlson and the far-right still railing about replacement theory?

Carlson say's they aren't being sent back

Now they are not.

They weren't before...so Trump was supporting replacement theory?

they're here to "replace" you...so they should still carry the baby to term and live in an immigrant-friendly Blue State?

If the rich elite will subsidize them and allow them to live in their cities and neighborhoods or send them back preferably.

So you're OK with them reproducing and staying here in Blue States and "replacing" you... Interesting you so violently disagree with Carlson and the cause celebre of the far right....

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carry the baby to term and then promptly send them back after the baby is born.

We do have to remember that with birthright citizenship, the baby would be a natural-born United States citizen just as American as anyone!

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The bottom line is “Roe v Wade” was a very bad legislation that should have never been ruled down. 

Every single word of this demonstrates a total lack of understanding of this issue.

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Roe v Wade was not legislation

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Every single word of this demonstrates a total lack of understanding of this issue.

You can flip that stemmet around just as well.

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Bass, I think people were confused by your use of the word "legislation." Do you understand why?

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The whole federal right to obtain and abortion is tittering on the edge of a 50-year-old supreme court decision , all because congressional leaders failed to protect the right in statute.

Every day this is getting uglier and the rhetorical anger more extreme.

'I am angry!' - Elizabeth Warren lambasts Supreme Court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsHEBpUGsms

Elizabeth Warren needs to calm down.

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Why is it that men feel that they are responsible for deciding what a woman should do with her body? 

because it’s not just about the woman’s body—what self-centered position to take. It involves the body of an infant and the dna of a man. If a woman can sue a man for child support, a man should be able to sue a woman for the murder of his child.

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because it’s not just about the woman’s body—what self-centered position to take. It involves the body of an infant and the dna of a man. If a woman can sue a man for child support, a man should be able to sue a woman for the murder of his child.

How should the woman be punished? Given that you think abortion is murder, should anyone who gets an abortion be given the death penalty? Or is just life in prison okay with you?

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Bass, I think people were confused by your use of the word "legislation." Do you understand why?

Of course he doesn’t.

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I agree completely that a pregnant woman has both the DNA and cells from a man and even tho it's her body that the fetus is grown in her womb does not make the fetus hers alone to do with whatever she chooses.

If an abortion is agreed apon by both the consenting adults that are responsible for the pregnancy that is most appropriate.

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 It involves the body of an infant 

A zygote or a fetus is not an infant.

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I think people were confused by your use of the word "legislation." Do you understand why?

If they want to run around with their fingers in their ears then that's up to them.

Of course he doesn’t.

I think that's the other way around.

No I can’t. Because there’s no such thing as a “stemmet”.

Then leave the statement (typo-Siri) out and make the opposite opposing arguments, there, problem solved.

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Noidall: because it’s not just about the woman’s body

Whata your position on abortion? Exceptions or not?

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I have immense sympathy for women in third-world countries like the US that have to undergo these kinds of hardships, I still have friends there that will be directly impacted like this. Nobdoy wants to see these kinds of rights taken away from people. The conservative Democrats, who for years have avoided codifying Roe v Wade into law, are just as much to blame as the conservative Republicans.

The good news on this story is obviously that so many other nations are moving in the right direction. The moves China has been making are concerning to me, but we haven't really seen what kind of policy their positions are making.

China is moving to limit abortions, but that’s because it has one of the highest rates of abortions in the world.

Last September, the Chinese cabinet, known as the State Council, published new national guidelines that require hospitals to “reduce non-medically necessary abortions.” In February, China’s family planning association announced it would launch a campaign to reduce teenage abortions.

This could imply that they want to reduce the necessity of abortions (better sex education, access to contraceptives, etc.) without actually banning the procedure. Which I would be totally okay with. Though the framing should probably be on "reducing teenage pregnancy" then.

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Bass: If they want to run around with their fingers in their ears then that's up to them.

It's OK. We can explain it to you if you want, or perhaps you can explain what you meant by "legislation" so we can see where your're coming from.

I know you've posted a few times so you've already exhausted all of your knowledge and will switch to, "Here's what I don't like about liberals," but it doesn't have to be that way.

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If that happens abortion rights will remain as they are. So sure, listen to the people.

Sadly, doesn't look like it. Give it back to the States and allow democracy to play itself out.

Err, no. That is democracy, majority vote wins. The majority support Roe vs Wade. That’s a fact.

Still searching for a poll you like?

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If they want to run around with their fingers in their ears then that's up to them.

You don’t know what words mean and refuse to learn. Don’t accuse others of wilful ignorance.

I think that's the other way around.

You’re wrong.

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Guns for all, abortions for none.

It’s the Republican Way!

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It's OK. We can explain it to you if you want,

That's ok, I'm from Cali, you know the land of lawyers and lawsuits.

I know you've posted a few times so you've already exhausted all of your knowledge

I think the left is exhausted, God knows their problems continue to mount.

Err, no. That is democracy, majority vote wins.

Well, looks like the government is allowing the people to vote on this, so it's the people's win.

The majority support Roe vs Wade. That’s a fact. 

47% Oppose and 49% support of the people that were polled, so it's essentially a tie. Again, it should be a State's issue, you believe in democracy as liberals always claim they do, be happy for this hopeful ruling.

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It is embarrassing that the US is going backwards on reproductive freedom.

One of the key things that wealthy nations have which poor nations don't have is the availability of reproductive control for humans.

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You don’t know what words mean and refuse to learn.

Sorry, you are grasping at straws at this point, name-calling doesn't help your arguments.

Don’t accuse others of wilful ignorance.

I don't, but whatever you call a person, they in turn can say the same about you. So, yes, it goes both ways. If you believe in abortion and think someone who believes in the right to life is stupid, flip it around, they will think the opposite of you and your position, if you don't think so, that thought in itself is ignorant.

You’re wrong.

No, we are just on opposite sides of the issue, but in my opinion, I think you guys are wrong. This again brings me to the point of letting the people decide, letting the people vote, and letting democracy rule. Cali will always be safe for women to have an abortion, and Florida will be safe for babies, that is democracy in its purest form playing out.

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I wonder what bass4funk thinks about one of his favorite comedians, George Carlin, accurately describing conservatives as heartless ghouls who aren’t pro-life, but anti-woman

That was a long time ago, and by today's standards, he might be canceled today and Carlin was a liberal, he had his thoughts and feelings on the issue, quite alright, that was his right as an American, even if I disagreed with him on that point, didn't make me like the man any less.

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Bass: That's ok, I'm from Cali, you know the land of lawyers and lawsuits.

It's great that that all rubbed off on a part-time resident, and Cali is definitely a great place for education. I went to university there.

If you won't explain your words to me I understand, your choice, my loss. Maybe I just can't keep up with your legal knowledge and will move on.

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47% Oppose and 49% support

You get the highest anti-abortion numbers when you include exceptions. As you start to strip away the exceptions, the way some states are doing, then the support drops significantly.

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The euphemisms are strong with this issue!

Reproductive freedom, health care, choose, it is far better to just be honest and accurate. You want to kill the foetus before it becomes a baby. The problem is deciding when the former magically becomes the latter.

The Court isn't banning abortion, it is just kicking the issue back to the states, whereit belongs. That is the reality of the Federal system.

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If Roe vs. Wade is repealed, women will still have abortions, but they will be backstreet ones with a vastly inflated risk to the woman's health. This is an anti-woman move. Such women may include your 14 year old daughter who's been raped by the local priest, scout leader, your brother-in-law, the security guard at her school, ....

Abortion is not going to go away and it is fantasy to think it will.

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If Roe vs. Wade is repealed, women will still have abortions, but they will be backstreet ones with a vastly inflated risk to the woman's health.

This is what conservatives want. They hate women. There’s nothing else to it.

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Conservatives don’t want to control any woman anymore than liberals want to tell conservatives and right to life that a fetus is nothing. Can’t wait until the States can have a say.

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Conservatives don’t want to control any woman 

You are literally in favor of removing bodily autonomy.

Though I’ll give you this. It’s not just women you want to control. It’s everyone. Right wingers adore authoritarianism and want to crush any sense of freedom.

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Liberals just don’t like it when you call a fetus a living thing. Biden even used the word baby when talking about abortion, so he knows and he’s a Catholic???

You are literally in favor of removing bodily autonomy.

No, I’m in favor of empowering all legal Americans with the right to vote, let the Apple decide.

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Blacklabel: Seems that is on topic when what is a woman is somehow not.

So what's your position on abortion. Exceptions or not?

Can't seem to get the anti-abortionists to answer. It's like a secret or something.

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The spectre of the 'back alley abortion' is ludicrous. At least half of states will allow business as usual.

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Abortion supporters are free to set up charities to help women in financial distress travel to foetus free zones.

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Atilla: charities to help women in financial distress travel to foetus free zones.

The GOP is working to stop this. Many large companies are starting to offer to pay the costs to travel for abortion and red states are trying to shut them down. I'm sure charities will follow.

By the way, what's your position on abortion?

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The GOP is working to stop this

Yes,

Many large companies are starting to offer to pay the costs to travel for abortion and red states are trying to shut them down. I'm sure charities will follow.

Well, that’s the beauty of America. You choose what you want in life and how you want to live it. Either way. If one state blocks abortion, you can drive over to another state that allows it, abortion will never be outlawed, so calm down.

By the way, what's your position on abortion?

Just take a wild guess

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The spectre of the 'back alley abortion' is ludicrous. At least half of states will allow business as usual.

This is so callous. You want 50% of the population to arbitrarily have rights removed.

Conservatives hate personal rights and want the state to control people’s bodies.

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