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Its terrifying that leaders are so ignorant as to think the situation in Crimea is applicable to the typical Asian territory dispute.

About the only thing close is China dreading the idea that Tibetans should be able to vote for independence, or the Muslim provinces.

But trust me. The people of the Senkakus are not going to vote to join China or anybody, and neither will the people of the Spratly Islands or the Paracels. The people of Okinotorishima will not vote to leave Japan. That is because there are no people in those places!

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@life_aint_no_sitcom

I disagree.

China is very much like Russia at the moment in that both are using illegal means to encroach on foreign territory, using their respective armed forces to intimidate, if not outright attack, other countries.

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i will believe it when i see it.

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@Reformed

So you mean all others are just innocent players? You mean, nobody ever encroached on China? You mean, everyone involved in a territory dispute with China is right and China is wrong? No exceptions? Nobody equally wrong?

Could you just tell me the last time China every actually attacked anyone over a territory dispute? In fact, you can give me a list if you like, just be sure to include dates!

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life-aint-no-sit-com. One fact being, in all these disputes there is one common denominator and that is CHINA,, and the disputes are almost all far far away from China's shores and right up against everyone else's. Claiming entire seas???? Who does that? But I see you support that.. There you go!

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One fact being, in all these disputes there is one common denominator and that is CHINA,,

Vietnam claims all the Spratlys and the Paracel islands. China does not claim the Kuriles, North Borneo or the Lioncourt Rocks.

No, sorry, China is not a common denominator. What China is taking flak for is the recent rise in the mostly non-violent but still aggressive use of its military to bully its way on its claims.

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@sitcom

Please don't use stawman arguments.

Both China and Russia are acting like rogue nations NOW. Hence my use of present tense. On second thought, "acting like" is superfluous, they "are" rogue nations as they are not following international law.

Could you just tell me the last time China every actually attacked anyone over a territory dispute?

Do you live in a cave? China has used force on several occasions. Make your own list and educate yourself while you are at it.

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@Reformed

Please don't use stawman arguments.

I didn't. I asked you some questions. You declined to answer.

Make your own list and educate yourself while you are at it.

I am not here to flesh out your claims for you.

they "are" rogue nations as they are not following international law.

Many of them aren't. A quick one that comes to mind is Japan in regard to Okinotorishima. Do you consider Japan to be a rogue nation?

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Okinotorishima may or may not be a good example for your case.

I am not here to flesh out your claims for you.

Then don't expect me to the same.

You are obviously aware of island disputes that do not involve Japan. How can you then be unaware that China has attacked and killed people of other nations? Even in the case of Japan, it locked fire-control radar on an MSDF vessel and helicopter, which is generally acknowledged as an aggressive act.

If you are so superior in intellect and expertise than the people who attended the above meeting, why not write to them and inform them of the errors of their ways? If your arguments are as sound as you think, you'll have no trouble convincing them.

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After the event in Crimea , the worry of leaders in South East Asian countries is quite realistic and justifiable ... maybe in the case of Viet Nam it can be a little bit late.

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The problem is mostly Japan, but also China. The big power rivalries will cause another war in the region. And the fact that Japan is unrepentant and in denial while China is a country with a vendatta doesn't help.

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The US is concerned with instability? The US has caused instability in the Middle East, and now Russia. The US is thinking of meddling with Asia now. Good grief.

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@ReformedBasher

If your arguments are as sound as you think, you'll have no trouble convincing them.

Attempting to convince the profoundly stupid of anything, by way of reason, is a fool's errand. On the other hand, if I could find a way of monetary or political gain, I am sure I could convince them of anything! In fact, that pretty much explains why they brought this comparison up at this time! See, they are not completely stupid, but if they were smarter, they would be embarrassed to say such stupid things. But the public is pretty stupid as well, and can't see that they are attempting to use recent events to make themselves sound relevant.

Okinotorishima may or may not be a good example for your case.

If you want to back peddle and make it about aggression, then no. But as a violation of international law, what you spoke of, its a perfect example. Okinotorishima is not claimable in terms of EEZ expansion for every single point required for the task. I would say it was outlandish, but I don't want to suggest there may be land there! Get it?

How can you then be unaware that China has attacked and killed people of other nations?

I never claimed to know everything. But I do know of some incidents that people like to twist into something they weren't. And I know some people like to bring up ancient history. If you have something you want to use as evidence, it is up to you to bring it to the table. I have my own view to present you know.

Even in the case of Japan, it locked fire-control radar on an MSDF vessel and helicopter, which is generally acknowledged as an aggressive act.

It is an aggressive act! I agree! What it is not is an attack. Nobody died or was injured and nothing was damaged. I do not support aggressive acts by any nation, and if you go back, you will see that I clearly stated that aggression is the real problem with China, not its claims.

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