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China to test all 9 million people in Qingdao for coronavirus

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How can anybody seriously trust the news coming from China? With very few daily infections reported on Worldometers every day, it seems they have found a miracle cure. All the news about Covid in China are manipulated by the CCP and it is never verified. Lies and lack of transparency. What a big joke! China can not fool the whole world.

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Travelers arriving from abroad in China still are required

Sounds like the writer is surprised by this. I am very curious as to why.

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It's a waste of money only benefitting testing agencies. Whatever results are just a snapshot with 70-80% accuracy.

The real purpose seems to me not to prevent the virus spread, but to collect personal data and tighten state controls on privacy domains.

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i already know what will happen after 5 days : "zhina gov care for its citizen so much that 5 days testing for 9 mil people is done, only 0.000001% of people are infected. Once again, it proves that Zhina WIN OVER the wuhan virus. the victory is ours !! " -- this kind of cheap commies propaganda keep repeat over and over again, the amazing part is, zhina people is buying it!!

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How can anybody seriously trust the news coming from China? With very few daily infections reported on Worldometers every day, it seems they have found a miracle cure. All the news about Covid in China are manipulated by the CCP and it is never verified. Lies and lack of transparency. What a big joke! China can not fool the whole world.

Replace 'China' with 'Japan' and 'CCP' with 'LDP'. How is it any different?

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@Tobia

I 100% agree!

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We'll never know if the test results are accurate, and we'll never know if the CCP publishes the results (whether accurate or not) without "adjusting" them. Considering the WHO estimates 750 million people around the world have caught the coronavirus, I would expect a city-wide testing of 9 million people to turn up a lot of positive cases - hundreds of thousands with traces of the viral matter in their bodies.

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China has a practice of not reporting asymptomatic cases

How many millions of people have been walking around asymptomatic without being tested around the world since the beginning of the pandemic is anyone's guess.

Let's not ruin our economies with lockdowns over a virus ever again.

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Let's not ruin our economies with lockdowns over a virus ever again.

Sure, let’s just let it runs it course. Those that can will live, those that can will die. Seems completely reasonable.

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for something that has a 99.98% chance of not getting it at all and a 99%+ survival rate if you are under 70 years old, sure. more people die from negative effects of the lockdown.

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Quite right, death to the olds.

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Let's not ruin our economies with lockdowns over a virus ever again.

When you say “let’s” who exactly is it that you imagine you’re talking to?

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for something that has a 99.98% chance of not getting it at all and a 99%+ survival rate if you are under 70 years old, sure. more people die from negative effects of the lockdown.

I’m pretty sure those statistics are uncertain at this stage. How many people died from the negative effects of the lockdown? How was 70 years old proven more dangerous than 69?

But I’d be glad for you to prove me wrong.

What are your sources? Feel free to cite anything relevant at all.

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Im good, Im sure you can find your own data from your own acceptable sources.

As the age groups are captured 60-69 and 70-79 in almost all data sets by age that I have seen- that would describe the difference between 69 and 70.

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Im sure you can find your own data from your own acceptable sources.

No, I can’t because there isn’t any. But you know this deep down.

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So how many people died from negative effects of the lockdown? Start us off with that and we’ll take it fro there.

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There most certainly is coronavirus data about deaths per age group.

For each individual country and worldwide as a whole.

Deaths by lockdown are more speculative, just as are deaths "with" coronavirus that are considered deaths "from" coronavirus. its speculation that their 2.5 comorbidities wouldnt have killed them anyway this year.

You seem to be one of those people who would believe these China numbers.

China, where the pandemic began in December, has reported 4,634 deaths and 85,578 cases, plus nine suspected cases that have yet to be confirmed.

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Deaths by lockdown are more speculative, just as are deaths "with" coronavirus that are considered deaths "from" coronavirus. its speculation that their 2.5 comorbidities wouldnt have killed them anyway this year.

Oh, speculation you say...

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Let's not ruin our economies with lockdowns over a virus ever again.

Sure, let’s just let it runs it course. Those that can will live, those that can will die. Seems completely reasonable.

We protect the elderly and those with underlying conditions as much as possible. The rest of us go to work and school, keeping the economy going, not stay home and bloat the national debt even further and raise the crime, suicide and drug addiction rates.

Makes too much sense, I know.

Let's not ruin our economies with lockdowns over a virus ever again.

When you say “let’s” who exactly is it that you imagine you’re talking to?

Everyone. Of course I know in the case of liberals it's like talking to a brick wall, but one must never give up trying. There are a lot of people who voted Democrat in 2016 who are going to vote Republican this time.

for something that has a 99.98% chance of not getting it at all 

I'd tell you a coronavirus joke but there's a 99.98% chance you won't get it. :D

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I'd tell you a coronavirus joke but there's a 99.98% chance you won't get it. :D

I’d ask you a question but there’s a 99% chance you won’t answer it.

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But let’s give it a go anyway....

Why did you post “trump is toast”?

What’s your stance on aborted fetus tissue research?

What reliable news source do you recommend?

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So how many people died from negative effects of the lockdown? Start us off with that and we’ll take it fro there.

Let's start with these.

https://theday.co.uk/stories/covid-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdown-may-have-indirectly-caused-16-000-excess-deaths-study-12044923

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I 100% agree!

Monty, another comment that adds absolutely no value to the conversation?

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Let's start with these.

That’s opinion, not data.

Answer the 3 questions you have been continuously asked, the 3 above.

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Why did you post “trump is toast”?

I like to joke. :D

What’s your stance on aborted fetus tissue research?

I'm not in favor of abortion, which is ending a life that is inside the human body, except in cases of rape or when the life of the mother is in danger. Look, this is a very emotional issue on which there is great division among people in every country.

What reliable news source do you recommend?

OAN, Newsmax. Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo, Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro, Steve Hilton and a few others on Fox. Pretty much all the other major networks are crap.

What reliable news source do your recommend?

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How can anybody seriously trust the news coming from China?

I trust them more than i trust any English-language media with their mountain high track record of lying, misinformation, and unquestionable conformity to the US govt. agenda. I can write 10 books just listing all the lies and fake news of the Trusty Trio (Reuters, AP and AFP). The first few months of the pandemic, despite all the warnings from China, the Murdoch media around the world kept pushing the narrative that this virus is a hoax and made up by the Democrats, then it became real, but less dangerous than the Flu. Few months in, and the virus became a Chinese lab bioweapon made by the CCP to kill America. You'd have to be an utter fool to trust anything they say. The rest of the US media just parrots "anonymous" sources, ex-CIA officials now working for Raytheon, and of course the "intelligence community", and never questions what they have to say. It's one thing to be naive, but this is just next-level stupidity.

With very few daily infections reported on Worldometers every day, it seems they have found a miracle cure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM

Does this answer your question? US did nothing for over 3 months, and even today, refuses to take basic precautionary measures like wearing masks, and you wonder why they don't have as fewer cases as China, which shut down their entire country the day it was discovered that the virus is h2h transmittable? Look at the video and see the draconian measures that are taken. In Europe, they don't take 1/100th of these measures.

All the news about Covid in China are manipulated by the CCP and it is never verified.

Can you show me even a grain of evidence, or is evidence not needed when it comes to claims about China?

Lies and lack of transparency.

That is literally what the US has been doing for the past few months. States have been caught fudging Covid data, and CDC has been ordered to drop the testing numbers from their website. Pence was also caught demanding States doctor the data so the numbers appear low. source: https://imgur.com/a/2TGuLkI

Now you show me your evidence that China has lies and is not being transparent? I am waiting. And no, a Trusty Trio headline is not an evidence.

China can not fool the whole world.

No, but the US government in cahoots with our Trusty Trio and the rest of the US propaganda machine certainly CAN.

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yes, as "lockdown" is not a recognized disease and has never happened in the USA before.

Even when 65 million cases of H1N1 hit the USA during the Obama/Biden administration. was no lockdown.

So yes we can look at data and have an idea based on increased deaths from things that people didnt die from last year as much, then speculate that the lockdown had some impact on those.

As an example heart attack death increase because people couldnt go to the gym to work out, cause gym was closed under lockdown.

Oh, speculation you say

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you know these 2.5 comorbidities that people who died with coronavirus had?

How many of those were caused by the lockdown?

example: liver disease as a comorbidity that didnt exist for this person pre-corona. After lockdown, the person picked up an alcohol problem because of stress from being restricted to home. This went unnoticed due to not having to physically go to the office and untreated as in person meetings/support were cancelled.

Any number of possibilities.

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Some of the posters here on JT seem to think that, just because USA is doing terribly, every other single country must also be doing badly. It's strange how news of labour camps in Xinjiang has leaked out, and yet absolutely no news of a pandemic has made it outside of China. China is no longer a hermit nation like North Korea. You can't hide a pandemic in a country with such a large population and with internet news coming in and out. The number of cases are typical of East and Southeast Asia, because people there are willing to wear masks. The Wuhan lockdown was strict. There is no way in hell they would now allow people to congregate as they did during the national holidays if they had problems of US-levels.

serrano:

What reliable news source do you recommend?

OAN, Newsmax. Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo, Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro, Steve Hilton and a few others on Fox

In other words, the American version of CCTV.

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I like to joke. :D

No, you were caught stirring the pot.

Look, this is a very emotional issue on which there is great division among people in every country.

Look, that’s why I asked. Votes depend on it. However, I didn’t ask about abortion. I asked about fetal tissue research since trump used it. Answer that.

The news sources, I expected “they’re all crap except the ones I watch”.

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example: liver disease as a comorbidity that didnt exist for this person pre-corona. After lockdown, the person picked up an alcohol problem because of stress from being restricted to home. This went unnoticed due to not having to physically go to the office and untreated as in person meetings/support were cancelled. 

Any number of possibilities.

Are any other of your “any number of possibilities” not speculation?

If you have some new research about liver disease suddenly developing within a 6 month period you’d better share it. That’s Nobel material.

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What reliable news source do you recommend?

OAN, Newsmax. Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo, Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro, Steve Hilton and a few others on Fox

In other words, the American version of CCTV.

You need to look up the meaning of CCTV.

Can't wait to hear Pukey's recommended reliable news sources.

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Test 9 million people? Phew...no big deal...Japan can do the same easy peasy, just give it a couple of decades or so.

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Many of the Chinese-made testing kits were rejected by European Health Authorites for lack of accuracy, excessive numbers of false positives and false negatives, etc..

Good luck to those patients relying on them!

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First off, the Chinese government hasn't found a 'miracle cure', nor is it likely that its standards for reporting Covid19 cases are any less accurate than the majority of the world's countries standards.

What it has done is taken seriously the one thing that every epidemiologist has said is the way to control a viral outbreak in the abscence of a vaccine for years, identifying those infected and those exposed to infected people, then isolating them long enough to break the chain of infection.

When this is done quickly and thoroughly, what would be exponential growth in infection becomes isolated cases. But doing it quickly and thoroughly is a logistical nightmare that becomes effectively impossible at a shockingly low number of cases, at which point the only way to stop the chain of infections is to act as if everyone has been exposed. If the actual number of infections is only a little above the number where identifying the specific people who have been exposed is possible, universal testing will catch enough of those who are infected to bring the number back down to where tracking and isolating on a case by case basis is possible, but exponential growth means that the window for this option is very small, after which the only possible measures to bring the infection outbreak under control is to bring down the number of people who everyone comes in contact with is extremely limited for a long period of time.

Like with a lot of the crises that the world faces, the solutions are known, the problem is that the PERCEIVED costs of implementing them versus the PERCEIVED costs of not doing so is such that the solutions aren't being implemented, even though the ACTUAL costs of not implementing them are catastrophic, while the ACTUAL costs of implementing them are not.

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The CCP just wants to harvest DNA. That's all.

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Why does anyone care what kind of PR the CCP press bureau puts out at any time? Maybe they do test, maybe they don´t.... their announcement has no connection to facts.

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fake numbers anyway. why waste our time?

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I'm not in favor of abortion, which is ending a life that is inside the human body, except in cases of rape or when the life of the mother is in danger. Look, this is a very emotional issue on which there is great division among people in every country.

Wow. You must be very upset that Trump used aborted fetal tissue for his Covid treatment. On scale of one to ten, where one is distraught and ten is devastated, what are your feelings on Trump killing babies to save prolong his 74-yeard-old life?

OAN, Newsmax. Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo, Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro, Steve Hilton and a few others on Fox. Pretty much all the other major networks are crap.

Far-right disinformation. OK.

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Sneezy

Far-right disinformation. OK.

Yeah, everything that disagrees with the corporate "mainstream" media narrative is "far-right". At this point, the term has lost all meaning.

So lets stay in our respective information bubbles.

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