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Ar this stage it's not a matter of test, test, test... but open with caution, caution, caution.

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Ar this stage it's not a matter of test, test, test... but open with caution, caution, caution.

While the asymthomatic and mild infected people unknowingly spread it and without test it spirals out of control.

Don't know why it is so difficult for you grasp that testing helps to curb the spread of the virus.

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Why is it so hard for you to understand that simply "testing testing testing" for the sake of testing does not have any positive effect in terms of redicing cases or deaths? Italy, Germany, other nations in Europe have tested in high numbers but that has had no effect on infection or death numbers. Even South Korea is now facing another outbreak per the article. Case numbers are not directly related to testing numbers.

The benefit of testing is in the early stages where it is not widespread community spread, so cases can be traced and tracked. Once it is widespread that benefit diminishes. The main reason that testing is a major first step in combating any disease is that early detection allows for early treatment. But in the case of COVID19, there is still no established effective treatment. When once considers the severity of a COVID19 case and the need for serious treatment, it is obvious that "testing for the sake of testing" everybody is a burden on the medical system. Particularly when there are asymptomatic carriers, and those who have already recovered and have gotten it again. It is also globally accepted that the vast majority of cases result in no symptoms or mild symptoms which require self isiolation and rest at home.

Far more important than simply testing for testing's sake is to maintain social distancing, hygenic practices, wearing masks, avoiding crowded activities in enclosed areas.

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"Why is it so hard for you to understand that simply "testing, testing, testing" for the sake of testing does not have any positive effect in terms of reducing cases or deaths?"

Only clueless idiots parrot the test test test mantra.

You may get infected as soon as your negative result comes in; and then what?

Another test, the lunatics shout.

Well, over here in the UK the cost per test is a mealy £200. And I know this for a FACT.

I submit that all advocates of test test test, (clueless as they are about pricing and effectiveness) should be forced to pay the price for each test, i.e. 200 knockers if you're in the UK.

If you're in Japan, the Yen equivalent.

I bet they would change their tunes in a flash.

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Measly, not mealy.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Interesting arguments here about testing and increasing numbers of infected persons.

Still the key is in the death rate...

With more testing more infected persons will be found but if that does not increase the numbers of people that die, then the "death rate" declines automatically. That has happened in the US. The actual death rate for COVID-19 in the US is less than 1%. It is even lower now at less than 0.5% after so much testing.

That death rate is less than the common flu, which already has a vaccine and given to millions each year.

The major difference with this virus is the extremely unusual and unexpected ways in which an infected person dies and that there is transmission even before symptoms are visible and recognizable. The other problem has been the nonseasonal aspect where it continues to infect even in hot climates and the rapid rate of mutations.

However, it appears that vaccine or not, the death rate is much lower than the flu, and with proper precautions, life can continue without heavy handed central controls or waiting for the vaccine. S Korea may see more numbers, but unless the death rate increases, they could presumably get their society moving and active again.

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It is also globally accepted that the vast majority of cases result in no symptoms or mild symptoms which require self isolation and rest at home.

And how are you going to achieve that without testing the suspect case ?

"testing for the sake of testing" everybody

Why do you request that everybody is tested ? What is your logic behind that. The only people I saw requesting that everybody are tested are the same which say nobody is to be tested. That is quite the logic twist.

Well, over here in the UK the cost per test is a mealy £200. And I know this for a FACT.

Shooting is not proof. So I assume you have no idea at all.

After in choosing in between. in one hand :

~ having to pay £200 and if tested negative being able to go to work, not having to stay in hotel, not having your full family stuck at home without salary for 2 weeks, risking contamination of your older family member which stay at home because not able to care for oneself (and contrary to the common belief of all the "just let do nothing that virus only kill worthless people" (thought said not so bluntly) you are found of the idea of seeing one die) and/or .... or if tested positive having to be isolated at hotel/hospital/home and the national insurance take in charge part of your salary.

Or in the other hand :

~ being put in quarantine for 2 weeks with your whole family, except if you work in some branch when they will ask you to come back earlier, still without test, and taking the risk to have your name broadcasted as the one which broke quarantine and contaminated ones workplace, no salary for the whole family, pay for your hostel stay if you are afraid to put your family at risk, ...

= I am not sure the people will not choose to pay for the test when giving the choice in between £200 test or 2 weeks unpaid quarantine for the whole family. Must explain why the choice do not exist to begin with.

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Why is it so hard for you to understand that simply "testing testing testing" for the sake of testing does not have any positive effect in terms of redicing cases or deaths?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that scientists use "testing testing testing" to track the virus, and get people who have been in contact to isolate, preventing unbridled spread, and therefore flattening the curve.

Testing is a means to an end. Saying testing doesn't have any positive effect ignores science.

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It is not surprising at all that some people here self declare themselves as experts on infectious disease and control, qualified better than scientists at the Korean CDC, when considering that even some national leaders recommend some specific prescribed drugs, including toxic detergents, to their own people. Disinformation is as widespread (and dangerous) as the pandemic itself.

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@OsanJapan

Why is it so hard for you to understand that simply "testing testing testing" for the sake of testing does not have any positive effect in terms of redicing cases or deaths?

Yesterday, 7 person officially died from coronavirus in Japan, many more from "pneumonia" no doubt whose number has spiked over last year.

On same day zero person died from coronavirus in Korea, this is a hard number because they test all suspected death case for coronavirus.

That's the difference between Japan's "Don't test, don't trace, and don't isolate" policy and Korea's "Test, trace, and isolate" policy.

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"Well, over here in the UK the cost per test is a mealy £200. And I know this for a FACT.

Shooting is not proof. So I assume you have no idea at all."

I just (12:00) today received a text from the NHS with my results.

It reads:

"Dear.....(Peeping),

We can confirm that the results of your recent test returned NEGATIVE (in capitals)

Name and address of Firm at the bottom of mssg."

(end of mss)

I have the choice of doing it all over in 4 weeks from today; not compulsory but I'll do it because:

1) I don't have to pay for it;

2) It's extremely quick and painless;

3) It takes longer to fill up the form with your details than to be swabbed, back of throat and nostrils.

4) Plus, the nurse doing it is cute (hopefully my girl won't be reading this)

The firm paid the bill; test taken in house (firm); staff nursing running the test is a good friend of mine.

My girlfriend is in the Accounts department.

Hope you got the drift.

I know ,as a matter of FACT.

Yes, I do have an exact idea.

£200 Nelsons.

Per test.

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Do these Koreans have a short attention spans or what?

It seems that they can't grasp simple basic science; the simple notion that when they congregate in a crowded, unventilated contained place like a nightclub with people talking loudly and spraying droplets from their gaping mouths like hoses - then this bad virus gets easily transmitted.

Moon Jae-in or whoever's responsibility it is over there ought to put on their thinking caps and close these frickin' nightclubs!

Or, better still, maybe S Korea ought to send emissaries to learn from the exemplary countries that have done an excellent job in tackling this SARS-CoV-2: Vietnam, Taiwan, New Zealand, HK, etc.

It seems that every time I read the news Korean numbers are rising from clusters in nightclubs, warehouses, etc.

Please Hangook, don't be like us here in the US.

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Not testing is hiding.

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@Peeping_Tom

Still pointless to shout. Assuming, your story is true you do not know at a matter of fact how much the test cost. You know how much it is billed.

Thanks for illustrating that, if given the choice, people/company will choose to pay the cost instead of having more troublesome stuff happen.

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According to worldometers.info/coronavirus, Korea has 774 active cases now.

Total cases 11,441

Aadded yesterday 39

Total death 269

Cured cases 10,398

Only 774 cases now.

People in Korea know what they have clearly. They lives free from worry or fear.

They are doing really well.

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StrangerlandMay 30  10:13 pm JST

Why is it so hard for you to understand that simply "testing testing testing" for the sake of testing does not have any positive effect in terms of redicing cases or deaths?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that scientists use "testing testing testing" to track the virus, and get people who have been in contact to isolate, preventing unbridled spread, and therefore flattening the curve.

Read my post again. Testing is invaluable in the early stages when tracing can be effective, and when there is a treatment available.

Testing is a means to an end. Saying testing doesn't have any positive effect ignores science.

Straw Man. Nobody said testing has no positive effect.

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FluteMay 30  10:03 pm JST

It is also globally accepted that the vast majority of cases result in no symptoms or mild symptoms which require self isolation and rest at home.

And how are you going to achieve that without testing the suspect case ?

Who said suspect cases shouldn't be tested? I am saying testing for the sake of testing (ie; everybody with or without symptoms) is not effective.

"testing for the sake of testing" everybody

Why do you request that everybody is tested ? What is your logic behind that. The only people I saw requesting that everybody are tested are the same which say nobody is to be tested. That is quite the logic twist.

I don't. You have me confused with the origonal poster to whom I responded. I am against testing "everybody".

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