Assassin maintains he can't remember shooting RFK

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William Weisel, who was an ABC-TV director, was shot in the stomach. conspiracy theories because, “The government can’t keep a secret.”

Something seems to be amiss in this sentence.

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He did it and he should not go free.

In fact, he said, Sirhan is a Christian and had no ties to terrorist groups.

You don't need to have ties to a terrorist group to be a terrorist. However, I think the term murderer is sufficient.

Assassin maintains he can't remember shooting RFK

RFK can't remember it either. He's dead. Thanks to Sirhan the US got Tricky Dick for president in 1968. The hand of fate moves in truly mysterious ways.

Pepper also suggests Sirhan was “hypno-programmed,” turning him into a virtual “Manchurian Candidate,” acting robot-like at the behest of evil forces who then wiped his memory clean. It’s the stuff of science fiction and Hollywood movies, but some believe it is the key.

Most of those "some" probably were tinfoil hats.

Its a shame this patsy has to waste his life away in jail while the real killers run free.

This is confusing to me. I do not really understand what is going on with this man who killed the guy on tv. Shock could still prevent him from recalling.

"It has been demonstrated that:

Sirhan's gun could only hold a maximum of 8 bullets, yet scientists confirmed through acoustic analysis of a recording that 13 shots were fired.

The gun used matched that of RFK's guard.

RFK was shot from behind, but Sirhan was in front of him.

His lawyer is an attention whoar.

sabiwabi at 02:23 PM JST - 1st March

"It has been demonstrated that:

Sirhan's gun could only hold a maximum of 8 bullets, yet scientists confirmed through acoustic analysis of a recording that 13 shots were fired RFK was shot from behind, but Sirhan was in front of him"

It is a conspiracy theory with little or no proof Sabi, all suggestions have been proven false. Oh but of course the gunman what nationality was he again?

It’s been this way almost from the beginning.

Nope. In the beginning, he admitted to doing it. In fact, he wanted to plead guilty and be executed for his crimes. He is and was guilty. There were plenty of witnesses right there when it happened.

Its a shame this patsy has to waste his life away in jail while the real killers run free.

Not a patsy, a murderer.

Its a shame this patsy has to waste his life away in jail while the real killers run free.

It's an even bigger shame that so many people in the middle east are unable to deal with reality, hallucinate "real killers" and eagerly try to shift the blame for their problems to others.

sabi -- "demonstrated" by whom? Please stop stating things on JT as "fact" when they are nothing more than your opinion/wild speculation.

There were plenty of witnesses right there when it happened.

Indeed, and all witnesses place Sirhan in front of RFK, no closer than a few feet. Yet powder burns indicated that three shots had been fired from very close range (0 to 1-1/2 inches) to his back (and back of the head). At no time was Sirhan ever behind RFK.

Sirhan's gun held a maximum of 8 bullets but a total of ten were recovered. The door frames were burned, the LAPD claimed no bullets were found lodged in the "bullet holes", and two expended bullets (inexplicably dug out of wood) were soon found in the front seat of Sirhan's car. The LAPD then destroyed their records of the tests that had been done on the "bullet holes" in the doorframe.

sabiwabi,

"Indeed, and all witnesses place Sirhan in front of RFK, no closer than a few feet. Yet powder burns indicated that three shots had been fired from very close range (0 to 1-1/2 inches) to his back (and back of the head). At no time was Sirhan ever behind RFK" Where do you get this from?

"This has led to the suggestion that a second gunman actually fired the fatal shot, a possibility supported by coroner Thomas Noguchi who stated that the fatal shot was behind Kennedy's right ear and had been fired at a distance of approximately one inch.[52] Other witnesses, though, said that as Sirhan approached, Kennedy was turning to his left shaking hands, facing north and so exposing his right side" So much for your conspiricy theory though!!!

Sabi, how can you say he didn't do it when even he said he did it?

An interview with Sirhan in 1980 revealed new claims that a combination of liquor and anger over the anniversary of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war triggered his actions the night he assassinated RFK. "You must remember the circumstances of that night, June 5. That was when I was provoked," Sirhan says, recorded in a transcript of one of his interviews with Dr. Mehdi, now president of the New York-based American-Arab Relations Committee. "That is when I initially went to observe the Jewish Zionist parade in celebration of the June 5, 1967, victory over the Arabs. That was the catalyst that triggered me on that night." Then Sirhan said, "In addition, there was the consumption of the liquor, and I want the public to understand that..."(Source: Wikipedia)

sabi -- "demonstrated" by whom? Please stop stating things on JT as "fact" when they are nothing more than your opinion/wild speculation.

No, this is not my opinion/wild speculation. Some of the evidence comes from the autopsy report, others from the LAPD investigation, and the acoustic analysis was done a few years ago.

There is also a BBC documentary by Shane O’Sullivan that shows clearly the CIA's likely involvement. Have a look!

sabiwabi,

"and the acoustic analysis was done a few years ago." the same acoustic evidence that one expert? says contains more than 8 gunshots yet that other independant experts "have stated that no more than eight shots were recorded on the audio tape".

By the way you realise that the work of the expert "Philip Van Praag" who claimed there where more than 8 gunshots has been found to be faulty and scientifically incorrect. But hey why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Sirhan killed RFK because he and his brother John supported Israel.

Hmmm let's see: we have 1) eyewitness accounts; 2) forensic evidence; and 3) confession by the accused himself. Now if I were a judge or jury member, that would make a pretty convincing case for conviction. 1) means people saw him shoot the gun; 2) means he had powder residue on his body and clothing, and that the angle of the bullet entry was consistent with where he was standing; and 3) means he didn't even try to say that someone else was there to make him appear guilty. The judicial system was more than fair -- after all, he was not executed for the crime that he obviously committed.

Sirhan killed RFK because he and his brother John supported Israel.

No, I think RFK was killed because he was very much opposed to the Vietnam war.

And I don't think the Kennedys were all that pro-Irael. JFK was the last US President to call for inspections of Israeli nuclear facilities and both were going after AIPAC's predecessor, trying to force it to register as a foreign agent and open its books. We couldn't let any of that happen.

Hmmm let's see: we have

1) eyewitness accounts;

...placing the alleged killer feet in front of RFK, while the fatal bullet was fired at very close range behind the head

2) forensic evidence;

... ten bullets recovered and even more shots detected from teh acoustics from a gun that cannot hold more than 8 bullets!!!

and 3) confession by the accused himself.

confessions to something he does not remember, even under hypnosis!

I suspect he was placed under some sort of trance and held a gun and fired, but it appears he is not the killer. He's a patsy.

Assassin maintains he can't remember shooting RFK

Stepeh Kinzer had this in the Guardian

"During the 1968 presidential campaign, Sirhan came to identify Robert Kennedy, who he had originally supported, as a friend of Israel. Three weeks before committing his crime, he watched a documentary about Kennedy’s involvement with Israel on CBS television. Soon afterward he heard a radio tape of Kennedy telling an audience at a Los Angeles synagogue that he would maintain “clear and compelling” support for Israel. After hearing it, a relative later testified, Sirhan ran from the room with “his hands on his ears, and almost weeping”.

Sirhan timed his attack on Kennedy to coincide with the first anniversary of the opening of the Six-Day War. At his trial, he sought several times to place his crime in the Palestinian context. “When you move a whole country, a whole people, bodily from their own homes, from their land, from their business,” he said, “that is completely wrong … . That burned the hell out of me.” Few Americans had any idea what he was talking about."

sabiwabi,

And again with the insinuation that Israel did it.

Did you realise that the Kennedy administration was the first to green light to major arms sales to Israel, also "Kennedy firmly believed in the U.S. commitment to Israeli security".

So while concerned about Israeli nuclear ambitions he still sent arms to Israel including Hawk missiles. Again you just seem to bend the truth a bit to suit your arguement

sabiwabi,

"placing the alleged killer feet in front of RFK, while the fatal bullet was fired at very close range behind the head" Eyewitnesses testified that Kennedy was in the process of turning to shake hands meaning the shooter was at his right rear. "I suspect he was placed under some sort of trance and held a gun and fired, but it appears he is not the killer" LMAO you are joking arnt you! what bit of a room full of witnesses and a confession are you having trouble getting. "even more shots detected from teh acoustics from a gun that cannot hold more than 8 bullets!!" yes detected by an accoustic expert who was later showed to be a fraud as explained to you earlier. Independent experts have since debunked his theory on this as being scientifically incorrect. But dont let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory

"even more shots detected from teh acoustics from a gun that cannot hold more than 8 bullets!!" yes detected by an accoustic expert who was later showed to be a fraud as explained to you earlier.

Yeah, they will always get someone to contradict investigation results, to provide ammunition to people like you. Speaking of ammunition, how do you explain the extra bullets found at the scene.

And look carefully at what the witnesses claimed, it was clearly not Sirhan who fired the fatal shot.

And again with the insinuation that Israel did it.

No, I am just saying there is plenty of evidence against RFK being killed for his support of Israel. Do you realize that if RFK had not been shot, AIPAC would not be as powerful today and things would probably be much different in the US and the rest of the world.

Do you realize that if RFK had not been shot, AIPAC would not be as powerful today and things would probably be much different in the US and the rest of the world.

Blame Sirhan Sirhan. He killed him.

sabiwabi,

"Yeah, they will always get someone to contradict investigation results, to provide ammunition to people like you"

Your one expert? who said there was more bullets fired has been shown to be a fraud by numerous experts in the field, it was shown he doctored the evidence and used unscientific methods so Sabi whos the gullible one. Let me see l believe the numerous experts saying one thing you believe the one expert whos been shown to be a fraud.....

But as long as we can include Israel in the arguement alls good

AdamB,

From wiki: "In 2007, analysis of an audio tape recording of the shooting made by freelance reporter Stanislaw Pruszynski appeared to indicate, according to forensic expert Philip Van Praag, that thirteen shots were fired, even though Sirhan's gun held only eight rounds.[51][55] Van Praag states that the recording also reveals at least two cases where the timing between shots was shorter than humanly possible. The presence of more than eight shots on the tape was corroborated by forensic audio specialists Wes Dooley and Paul Pegas of Audio Engineering Associates in Pasadena, California, forensic audio and ballistics expert Eddy B. Brixen in Copenhagen, Denmark,[56][57] and audio specialist Phil Spencer Whitehead of the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, Georgia.[58] Some other acoustic experts, however, have stated that no more than eight shots were recorded on the audio tape.[59]"

So, several experts say there were more than 8 shots. We also have more than 8 bullets recovered.

Also, RFK's security guard (Cesar) who was pressed up against RFK's back right side and holding his right arm in his left hand as Sirhan jumped out and fired his first two shots from several feet away. Donald Schulman, the only eyewitness to correctly see that Robert Kennedy had sustained three bullet wounds, not two, saw this guard pull his gun and apparently fire back at Sirhan, Cesar's bow tie, knocked off and lying near RFK as he died, seems to have been in the exact spot where the gun needed to be located that delivered the fatal bullet moving up and forward into Kennedy's brain: pressed up tight to Kennedy's back right side, and neck high. Thane Cesar owned a .22 (the caliber of Sirhan's gun), but said he sold it before the assassination. Then he said he sold it after the assassination. Then the gun was stolen from the new owner.

sabiwabi,

You neglected to mention that your quote is in the comparatively tiny conspiracy section of the article.