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The husband-and-wife attackers who killed 14 people at a holiday party had enough bullets and bombs to slaughter hundreds more

You can thank the NRA.

These homicidal freaks had every right to have as many guns and as much ammo as they desired.

If anyone were to question them?

The NRA would come down hard.

Any person, sane, insane, angry, drunk, suicidal, homicidal has the absolute right to what ever weapon they want and as much ammunition as they would like.

The NRA has made this so and they will not do a damn thing to change the rules of the American Slaughter House they make so much money in. Sadly, again, their membership cheers these rights and will kill to preserve them some even calling for a Civil War to keep their guns without any changes to any law.

In fact, many are upset that the laws are far too restrictive. What a sick bunch of remorseless killers and their happy sponsors at the NRA.

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"they worked to figure out whether the rampage was terrorism."

This is a joke, right?

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Leave it alone kc! NRA had nothing to do with it. The NRA is equally saddened by this terrorist rampage. Spewing hate simply is unproductive. These two were Islamic terrorists. And it's quite obvious in your comment you don't know the laws required in a gun purchase.

If the fed would enforce the existing laws and screening guns would be harder to obtain. We have laws for irresponsible gun owners but are they enforced when a child gets ahold of their loaded weapon? Not enough. Flame the fed!

These two (so far) would have continued their terrible rampage if not for brilliant and courageous spoil each work.

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"You can thank the NRA."

No. You can thank the husband-wife terrorists. Don't obfuscate.

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Clearly the sheer number of casualties is directly linked to the type of weapon used. Noboby needs to own a semiautomatic rifle unless their intention is to kill alot of people quickly.

Look at it another way; we're lucky that bombs, grenade launchers and mortars aren't considered to be covered by the 2nd amendment, if they were, the number of dead would have been tremendously higher.

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She said Thalasino told her that Farook “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.”

I guess Thalasino was right.

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If the fed would enforce the existing laws and screening guns would be harder to obtain.

DNA matching and digital fingerprint analysis may be standard 21st Century crime fighting tool but because the NRA has had its way gun tracing is still be an antiquated, laborious process done mostly by hand. They have lobbied successfully to block all attempts at such computerization, arguing against any national registry of firearm ownership.And that is only one example. I don't think there is any question the NRA has engaged in a decades-long campaign to hinder the efforts of the federal law enforcement.

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Kc, so you want to blame NRA for the pipebombs the couple made in their garage as well?

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Anyone who doesn't think the NRA has any culpability in this has shown themselves to be of a particularly low intelligence.

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Look at it another way; we're lucky that bombs, grenade launchers and mortars aren't considered to be covered by the 2nd amendment, if they were, the number of dead would have been tremendously higher.

Really ? They left behind a remote controlled explosive device similar to the one used by the Boston Marathon bombers that fortunately didn't detonate. But not because it wasn't under the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

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You have to love the American cry-babies.

"The NRA is our friend, don't you talk about them any more or we'll make some crazy argument about automobiles!"

What the sick minds who cherish their masters at the NRA can't stand is the simple facts.

The NRA will not allow any changes in law except those that serve their Corporate Gun Makers Cabal.

Don't worry cry babies, you'll get your next child slaughter or campus abattoir soon enough.

No one in America will stop your fun.

So lick your chops, some one's Mom or Dad will shriek with horror when your friends at the NRA deliver the next body to their front door.

These psychopathic killers in Cali had no problem killing. Why should anyone else?

Some few tiny anguished posts in JT aren't gonna take your weapons of mass destruction. They'll just illustrate the America you want so much to last forever and ever so all those children can die and all those Moms and Dads can grieve forever, just the way you want.

Don't cry little gun nuts. It's ok. Maybe go buy another gun, that always makes you feel better.

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If they're this bad when it comes to using point and shoot weapons, how much worse is it going to get when these types of people start using more lethal weapons?

I'm not sure at this point whether this incident was terrorism, plain old work-rage or a combination of both, jihadi work-rage, but they certainly did appear to be thoroughly pissed and well prepared. Throw a woman into the mix who's married to the male suspect and who's the mother of their 6 month old baby and it begins to reek of extremism.

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@Lizz

Really ? They left behind a remote controlled explosive device similar to the one used by the Boston Marathon bombers that fortunately didn't detonate. But not because it wasn't under the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

As you said, their bomb didn't detonate. They were obviously forced to build a crappy homemade bomb because they couldn't legally buy a professionally made one at their local gunshop. It's too bad we can't say the same thing about their semiautomatic assault rifles.

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California has universal background checks, magazine limits, and bans on assault rifles. They also have a magazine release law that you need a tool to change a magazine. They have all the laws you could possibly want, evil people will find a way around the law.

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You can be the next attack is in the making. CNN will continue to air too much detail as experienced people talk about how easy or not easy it is to make these bombs or talk about the lethal weapons that always seem to be in the hands of the extremists waiting for their chance to cause mayhem. SAD!

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The liberals are so overly desperate to try to the depth of their souls to get people to think that the NRA is to blame when not a single one of these hypocrites will speak out and condemn the terrorists, in fact, many on the left are already trying to build up a laughable excuse that from the two Farook seemed from what it looks like so far to have been radicalized and what does the left try to peddle as they always do....it was a case of workplace violence purely and the sole reason for the attack. It could have very well been, but there is definitely radical jihadist component attached to it. If not, then why would these two drop off their new born baby at the grandparents, have bomb making materials at home, gather up a very large Arsenal of weapons, masks and you think the reason for that is because they had a post office moment? The sad attempt and the low and dirty tactics of the far unicorn left to fail to see and recognize terrorism as the root cancer for what it is and not do anything to cut it out is derelict and irresponsible and the biggest threat to democracy as we know it are the hardcore progressives that want to impose a fascist, socialist progressive agenda on the US and it's starting to reach critical mass.

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California has universal background checks, magazine limits, and bans on assault rifles.

Doesn't matter. We get high-capacity mags and other banned assault rifles accessories etc. from other states and going to their gun shows.

Heh . . . Farook and his islamic fling Malik were observed by their neighbors in the city of Redlands staying up late and "working" in their garage late at night. But she didn't report the activity to authorities because she didn' want accused of "racial profiling."

Maybe we ought to regulate metal piping and remote control car electronic parts too.

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Doesn't matter. We get high-capacity mags and other banned assault rifles accessories etc. from other states and going to their gun shows.

Gun shows which don't even require a background check. Thanks Senate Republicans!

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This is guns country's destiny or fate. Tragedies will happen anywhere again and again (forever) as long as guns are there. Americans know it well but they try to forget it today as if nothing happened.

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Heh . . . Farook and his islamic fling Malik were observed by their neighbors in the city of Redlands staying up late and "working" in their garage late at night. But she didn't report the activity to authorities because she didn' want accused of "racial profiling."

This is the center root of the problem. The country has gotten so overly PC because the liberals have turned and wussified the country where you have to be so careful about what you say and do, especially if you are white because the repercussions of anything regarding race is perceived as being racist or having racial undertones to the point where people would rather not help or get involved with minorities for being called a racist.

Because of this, future that can be prevented won't in order not to labeled as a racist and the far left is responsible for creating this environment. But will they take responsibility for this? Absolutely not.

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They don't happen so much in Switzerland Kwatt. These two heartless parents for six months would have killed to further their demented cause.

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Proudly sold to terrorists by the NRA, and defended by posters on here. They are literally supporting terrorists and their actions.

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and police said he and his wife had enough bullets and bombs to slaughter hundreds when they launched their deadly attack on a holiday party.

Wearing black tactical gear and wielding assault rifles,

And let no one forget, according to the right, he had a "God-given right" to have them. Ironically, he used that right in the name of another "god" to kill 14 innocent people. Way to go NRA.

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What sick and twisted person leaves their child with the grandparents knowing that they are living their final moments of their lives? And these people had a choice to watch their child grow up. They chose to end it. Selfish as well as sad. The child will never know its parents, only hear some story that they died for a good reason. Amazing!

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The liberals are so overly desperate . . . low and dirty tactics of the far unicorn left . . . the biggest threat to democracy as we know it are the hardcore progressives that want to impose a fascist, socialist progressive agenda on the US - comments

Another beautiful picture of the littlest gun nuts. This is the pinnacle of their thinking. Nice to know the NRA has the support of legions of like minded paranoids. In a way it is so sad that this constitutes the sing song of blame the "left".

Thanks again. Another beautiful illustration of the GOP Shia-Tea. This is the mind set that wants more guns, less restrictions on weapons of mass destruction and a desperate need to justify the slaughter of children and innocents as the fault of the demon liberals.

These crimes of gun violence have one cause, guns. So while littlest gun nuts hate the condemnation of the NRA they will do nothing to stop the slaughter in the streets. They might remember. The NRA is the single most reviled organization in the States because for their efforts no appropriate and responsible controls will ever be enacted in America. Victory!

Don't cry yourselves to sleep again little gun nuts. Keep bang-bang under the pillow and when the bad liberals list the crimes of the NRA and the cost in human life you just clutch bang-bang close.

"You're safe bang-bang, gun nut will protect you from the left. You and me bang-bang, we'll shoot them together, you, me and the NRA."

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They have all the laws you could possibly want, evil people will find a way around the law.

Completely agree! That's why I'm against laws in general. By definition, lawbreakers break them, so why bother?

"...all the laws you could possibly want...." - not, actually. Congress prohibits a national gun database, and while California requires all gun purchases to go through a registered dealer, other states (such as Nevada) do not. It doesn't require a whole lot of effort to drive to Nevada to purchase a weapon - legally but unrecorded - and then transport it to California. California does require that all imported weapons be registered within 60 days but has no way of knowing about the existence of such weapons.

A national database on both weapon and ammunition purchases would greatly aid law enforcement officers in recognizing and dealing with those "a little off" - i.e., those who are in possession of multiple semi-automatic rifles and a thousand rounds of ammunition. Most law enforcement agencies in America support such a database. If you do not, please tell me: Why do you so hate our men in blue?

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What sick and twisted person leaves their child with the grandparents knowing that they are living their final moments of their lives? And these people had a choice to watch their child grow up.

. . . . yeah bass, but . . . but, others will argue thats it is the NRA's fault. Or that "Islam" is such a peaceful religion. Or worse, we (United States of America) ought to open its borders to islamic refugees because by virtue- we are the United States of America.

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Most law enforcement agencies in America support such a database. If you do not, please tell me: Why do you so hate our men in blue? - comments

Because Police Officers face down hundreds of guns attached to nut balls everyday. If they had their way the littlest gun nuts would have to register and present their weapons and have a back ground check every three years. Any felony infraction would then require the seizure of all their weapons until the court decided the littlest gun nut was once again in possession of his wits.

Reading the caustic hate thrown at American Police Officers confirms one thing, you either have wants or warrants and possess illegal contraband you don't want the Police to know about. It really is most sickening when these brave men and women are maligned. Personally sick making. But, any argument in a storm when the littlest gun nut wants bang-bang.

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So much disdain from anti gun folks to the point of hate....as Spok would say " highly illogical".

Should we ban guns from the police next? They won't need them when they are not legal to own.

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Extremists (could be Christian OR Muslim) + guns + America = lethal combination. I bet Obama gets sick and tired of having to repeat the same words after each incident - and yet NRA doesn't give a damn about people dying.

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All I see here are the unintelligent, vapid ad hominem musings passed off as logical arguments, rather than discussing actual facts.

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NRA doesn't give a damn about people dying.

They just come out with the same tired old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" mantra and their apologists whine on like tiresome paranoid whackos about socialists wanting to take American liberties away. Well, people certainly do kill people and they don't need guns to do it. But they tend to kill somewhat less people in countries with laws that make it extremely hard to get and own guns.

Should we ban guns from the police next? They won't need them when they are not legal to own.

The police in the UK don't routinely carry guns. Compare the amount of gun massacres in the UK and the US, then you tell me.

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So much disdain from anti gun folks to the point of hate.... - comments

Disgust actually.

Disgust with the NRA's iron grip at the throat of the Americans, the majority by the way, who want rational and appropriate control of weapons of mass destruction.

Obviously, the littlest gun nuts just don't get it. What's the slaughter of twenty tiny children in their classroom to them? A conspiracy, a lie, it never happened.

As long as the littlest gun nut gets bang-bang, the NRA is their "Holy of Holies". Thou shalt not invoke the name of NRA except in prostration to their awesome power and infinite wisdom. The NRA littlest gun nuts have spoken. And fourteen are dead in Cali.

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bass4funk: "This is the center root of the problem. The country has gotten so overly PC because the liberals have turned and wussified the country where you have to be so careful about what you say and do, especially if you are white because the repercussions of anything regarding race is perceived as being racist or having racial undertones to the point where people would rather not help or get involved with minorities for being called a racist."

Yeah, and only yesterday you spent the entire day saying the issue was about "mental illness". Now suddenly it's about something else. So long as certain elements of the problem are never focused on, eh, bass, like how you guys support the NRA selling weapons to these people? Or, do you deny it? Do you think the NRA is wrong to do so? I bet you cannot answer that question because you know the answer is that you support it, and will instead pretend that has nothing to do with it when clearly it does.

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"You're safe bang-bang, gun nut will protect you from the left. You and me bang-bang, we'll shoot them together, you, me and the NRA."

What's up will all this "bang-bang" nonsense? Let's blame this incident on these two islamic fanatics, who should've been living in Raaqa. And not in Redlands or San Bernardino, CA.

Just goes to show how extremists are willing to commit terror in america more than ever. Please go back to Raqqa. Stay out. America is NOT for you. So why do they keeping coming here? Close the gates.

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kcjapanDEC. 04, 2015 - 09:14AM JST You have to love the American cry-babies. "The NRA is our friend, don't you talk about them any more or we'll make some crazy argument about automobiles!" What the sick minds who cherish their masters at the NRA can't stand is the simple facts. The NRA will not allow any changes in law except those that serve their Corporate Gun Makers Cabal. Don't worry cry babies, you'll get your next child slaughter or campus abattoir soon enough. No one in America will stop your fun. So lick your chops, some one's Mom or Dad will shriek with horror when your friends at the NRA deliver the next body to their front door.These psychopathic killers in Cali had no problem killing. Why should anyone else? Some few tiny anguished posts in JT aren't gonna take your weapons of mass destruction. They'll just illustrate the America you want so much to last forever and ever so all those children can die and all those Moms and Dads can grieve forever, just the way you want. Don't cry little gun nuts. It's

You are off your rocker! Talk about using an appalling event to hideously spew your melevolent political views, which are obviously couched in anti-Americanism. The majority of Americans don't go on killing sprees! The majority of Americans don't own guns! You follow the news and listen to sensationalised reporting and then assume that America is Vietnam and everyone is in a war zone. Stop being so green and gullible!

Yes the NRA is bad! Yes America has a gun crisis! But stop yelling at, insulting, and hating the American public. You don't know the intricacies of the law; you don't know what it takes to lobby and change laws. You sit there in your armchair with your nose in the air and wreak of the attitude that Americans are somehow happy over what happened and is happening. You don't know how many Americans are anti-gun. You don't know that the US government is for sale to the highest bidder. And the NRA are serious bidders. So it's not like flipping a light switch and wala, tomorrow there's no guns. You probably don't know jack except what you read on this site and then you go into a spewing frenzy as if you have all the answers.

Yeah, keep pushing your own garbag...um...um... I'm sorry, your insightful and valuable political opinion.

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The FACTS are that this couple, these two people are solely and directly responsible for perpetrating this criminal act of terrorism, completely unrelated to NRA and the millions of law-abiding firearms owners. The rest here is illogical hyperbole.

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Let's blame this incident on these two islamic fanatics, who should've been living in Raaqa.

I can agree with that. What, though, do we blame the vast majority of mass gun slayings - those not perpetrated by Muslims - on?

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Why bother arguing with anti gun this and that in the comment section nin of these posts or posters matter, so getting bent out of shape over opinions of people whom are talking through the Internet is just a waste of time. If you really want to stick it to them like I would go to the range and practice.

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Wc626, since you brought it up: How many terrorist attacks are known to have been comitted by Syrian refugees?

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Table for two at the cry baby lounge.

Talk about using an appalling event to hideously spew your melevolent political views, - comments

No different then from the NRA's midnight conspiracy callers who tortured parents of dead 5 and 6 year olds at Newtown; except no one is being taunted here except the littlest gun nuts and the NRA; the author of America's wholly inadequate regulation of weapons of mass destruction. Thank the NRA.

completely unrelated to NRA - comments

Except that the NRA dictates gun laws and removes Legislators with targeted campaigns when they urge reasonable and appropriate control of weapons of mass destruction. 3000 rounds at Cali's psychopathic killers apartment? Thank the NRA; the NRA made sure the psychos could buy as much as they wanted to collect the blood money for their bosses.

Yes the NRA is bad! Yes America has a gun crisis! But stop yelling at, insulting, and hating the American public. - comments

Since the majority of Americans report they want proper and appropriate regulation of the weapons of mass destruction, it is only the NRA who is shouting down the American public, with your help. Thank the NRA for their help with that.

the US government is for sale to the highest bidder. And the NRA are serious bidders - comments

So the American public should have their safety, and that of their tiny children, in the hands of the highest bidder against the wishes of the Majority in the American Democracy. Thank the NRA.

So, little cry babies, the few bad old JT anguished posts are such a threat to the NRA they must be terribly frightening to the littlest gun nuts. (Don't worry bang-bang, that dodo head won't take you except from my cold dead hands.)

Oh, gosh, that bad poster is stating the facts about the NRA!

What a bad, bad poster. What a pair of cheerleaders for the deaths of innocent children, Police Officers, doctors, college students, Mothers caught in the cross fire, Veterans.

Oh the brave and powerful NRA. Good thing they have such loyal friends sending twenty tiny children to their graves with six of their teachers. (Oh, yeah, that never happened, that was a conspiracy.) You can thank the NRA.

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How many terrorist attacks are known to have been comitted by Syrian refugees?

Wasn't there one syrian among the terror ring committing the carnage in Paris. No syrian refugees committed terror on US soil, but why take the chance? ISIS are salivating at the fact that obama's administration is allowing so many islamic refugees in.

do we blame the vast majority of mass gun slayings - those not perpetrated by Muslims - on?

@Laguna. I see your point. I don't know how to answer that. But given the contemporary events like Paris and recent events over syria- "I think" it's worse when extreme islam is pulling the triggers.

Compared to 1 disgruntled university student who can't get "laid" and shoots a few people.

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You can thank the NRA.

No you can't thank the NRA. You need to thank Dept Homeland Security (DHS) for allowing the US citizen to bring his fiancé/wife over on a visa. What happened to all of the so called "vetting" that we have been assured of if we let the 100,000 or so Syrians and other Muslims in from the Middle East into the USA. After all, this lady came with her future husband not at gun point, and I am assuming her records were intact and all of the necessary forms were filled out before she was allowed entry, and the proper vetting was done. Imagine trying to vet someone who has no records on them but only their word that they are not "a bad Muslim."

Also, they had bomb making material on them. NRA has nothing to do with that at all, nor did they have anything to do with the body armor also. There are multiple failings to go around in this, the neighbors who saw a group of Middle Eastern looking men coming and going from their house but didn't report it because they didn't want to seem "racist" or the many government agencies who supposedly knew he had been in contact with radical groups and did nothing. But the NRA had nothing to do with this. Based on what they found, if they didn't have the guns, they would have just used bombs.

For those who don't think the radical Islam is at war with the rest of the world, look at the female attacker in this case. A mother of a 6 month old. How many times have we seen here on JT stories where a mother does something horrific to a child, and to a tee whether you are liberal or conservative everyone thinks that the mother should be held accountable for what she has done, and how could anyone do something so hurtful to a child and where was the "motherly instinct" that she was supposed to have. Well obviously in this case, the mother's devotion to Islamic jihad took over her own feelings of "motherly instinct" and she has decided to leave this child an orphan and die for a cause rather than to protect the child, and bring it up in their way.

My point being, if a person is willing to die for a cause rather than stay and protect a child for the same cause so that they may be able to affect changes, then so called gun laws banning the sales of guns will not stop them. Time for the rest of the world to see it for what it is, radical Islam is at war with the rest of the world.

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The way I see it, there are four possible approaches:

Do nothing - that is the current approach, and unless continued mayhem is deemed acceptable, it doesn't work.

Offer red herrings - ideas such as "committing crazy people" and "reporting on neighbors working in their garage at night" clearly will not work and are really no different from option (1).

Allow authorities access to more information so they may identify potential threats - Create a national registry that allows authorities to track the location of every gun in the US and also allows awareness of sudden changes in behavior (massive ammunition purchases, for example).

Ban guns.

The third option would clearly be the best for all involved; even many gun owners support it. The NRA, however, does not, and there is a reason for this: A not insignificant faction within the NRA may be termed the "black helicopter" faction; that is, they view gun ownership as the trump card citizens hold over the government. Now, while this argument is so nonsensical as to be insane, it does explain their reasoning: They do not WANT government to have access to this information because obviously the next step is UN-backed paramilitary troops kicking in doors to confiscate guns.

America's only hope is that responsible gun owners recognize that the only way to prevent the fourth option is to adopt the third. After all, if you are a responsible gun owner, what fear would you have? Responsible gun owners therefore must repudiate the "black helicopter" faction within their ranks.

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Sounds like he was all ready to roll, and just needed an excuse to get started. He probably had a chip on his shoulder, a deep hatred of the United States, a new-found gullible satisfaction in his on-line faith, and a sense that he would be turning the tables on society very soon. The argument with his co-worker at the Christmas party probably confirmed to him that this was was the right time and place. His wife was the one person he could give orders to and would absolutely obey him, even to abandoning their child.

A kind of hybrid terrorism, in that it took a worker's anti-Islam comment for him to flip his lid.

So, to summarize, Terrorist nutjob goes postal.

It will be interesting to hear what his mother sensed when they handed her their child, if she is willing to talk, and how she plans to bring up her grand-daughter.

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Yeah, and only yesterday you spent the entire day saying the issue was about "mental illness".

I wasn't talking exclusively about these people or generalizing, but I was saying, it is one of the things we do need to look at.

Now suddenly it's about something else.

That they were from the looks of it Radical Islamists. Why, you want to say, it's workplace violence, like Obama and peddle that lie?

So long as certain elements of the problem are never focused on, eh, bass, like how you guys support the NRA selling weapons to these people?

Or how liberals flat out refuse to call out terrorism for what it really is.

Or, do you deny it? Do you think the NRA is wrong to do so?

I'm an NRA supporter, been for 30 years. I'm not going to demonize them for something they didn't do maliciously.

I bet you cannot answer that question because you know the answer is that you support it, and will instead pretend that has nothing to do with it when clearly it does.

Ok, let's go 50/50 on this. I'll admit it and you admit that radical Islam is equally to blame.

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No you can't thank the NRA. You need to thank Dept Homeland Security (DHS) for allowing the US citizen to bring his fiancé/wife over on a visa. What happened to all of the so called "vetting" that we have been assured of if we let the 100,000 or so Syrians and other Muslims in from the Middle East into the USA

Thank you!! Yes, thank you Alpha!

This Syed guy, should've been blacklisted the moment he set foot on Saudi soil. Pfft!! who stamped his wifes passport and issued her a K-1 Fiance Visa without raising eyebrows?

You know they're terrorists. Meanwhile back in Riyadh, Medina and Raaqa, they're laughing at how "easy" it was.

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Wc626 Evidence? Please back up your claim.

ISIS are salivating at the fact obama's administration is allowing so many islamic refugees in.

Are they really? Do tell.

Aren't there already easy ways for them to enter the US? The TSA isn't going to stop them. Why do they need the refugee scenario?

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Allow authorities access to more information so they may identify potential threats - Create a national registry that allows authorities to track the location of every gun in the US and also allows awareness of sudden changes in behavior (massive ammunition purchases, for example).

Overboard. Cut the government and police out of the picture. Require training, psychological evaluations and subsequent licensing be carried out by third parties, such as gun clubs and psychologists they hire, who shall have laws and rules to follow on the subject. If no gun club will have you, no gun. If you don't have a license, you can't buy a gun or ammo. If you have a license and buy a gun or ammo, that information goes straight to your gun club. No exceptions. But no limits either. If the gun club reports you to the authorities on their own accord, so be it. Then the cops get all the information on you and decide whether to investigate. Otherwise, the authorities have no access.

Gun club= well regulated militia, and they self regulate themselves well, or else their own communities will shut them down. Second amendment satisfied. Simple.

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didn't see this one coming??? gun control will not stop the idiotic mind of the "criminal insane". this IS TERROR!!!! and will continue to succeed until it is called out and then destroyed!!!! GOD bless the lost ones and DAMN the foolish!!

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Like I always say.

You can have as many guns as you like but limit the number of bullets you can own at any time or make bullets way more expensive.

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The NRA is equally saddened by this terrorist rampage.

Oh, they're only said it makes them look like the pro-murder lunatics they are.

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@WC This Syed guy, should've been blacklisted the moment he set foot on Saudi soil.

As you know, Muslims are required to perform Hadj, which means they have to go to Saudi to do that. Are you saying any Muslim who performs Hadj and returns to the US should be blacklisted (whatever that means)? How about the hundreds of thousands of US citizens who have already been to Hadj? How about the US citizens - Muslims and not - who currently work or previously worked in Saudi? How about those who in the US military there? How about the Bush family members when they visit their old friends the Sauds?

Remember, the murderer - from what I read - was not on any watch list. I don't think every gun owner, even those with assault rifles is a potential terrorist. I know every Muslim is not a potential terrorist, even the ones who work and visit Saudi.

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You can have as many guns as you like but limit the number of bullets you can own at any time or make bullets way more expensive.

That really didn't make any sense, sorry.

Oh, they're only said it makes them look like the pro-murder lunatics they are.

Let's say for example you go to Disneyland and you get freaked out on the "It's a small world" and you suffer from mental traumatic injuries, you would be the person to sue the theme park with a bogus frivolous lawsuit.

The REAL lunatics are the two that are now in body bags at the morgue.

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bass4funk: "I'm an NRA supporter, been for 30 years. I'm not going to demonize them for something they didn't do maliciously."

They LITERALLY defend the right to sell weapons to terrorists!! Therefore, you defend the right for these terrorists to have had them, plain and simple. Such people helped put the weapons in these people's hands.

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Such people helped put the weapons in these people's hands.

I don't necessarily think the NRA is a terrorist organisation, but it's pretty clear they're willing to be terrorist enablers. At least the gun makers don't discriminate; they'll sell to anyone. I guess as long as the gun industry can make windfall profits, that's just the price the US has to pay. Bang bang ka-ching ka-ching.

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They LITERALLY defend the right to sell weapons to terrorists!! Therefore, you defend the right for these terrorists to have had them, plain and simple. Such people helped put the weapons in these people's hands.

smithinjapan and all who keep blaming the NRA. Again I would point you at my first post in this thread. They also were making bombs, something which the NRA has noting to do with. Just like the Boston bombers, who were Muslims who immigrated to this country and had family here, and for awhile would just be considered as regular Americans (but based on their background stories that came to light, they would fall into the sub-category of loser Americans), and they built pressure cooker bombs for their mayhem. No guns involved. So you want to ban my right to bear arms, then ok do it. But make sure you ban the right of people coming from a certain part of the world, or having certain extremists views from entering into the USA. You want to ban a right that is guaranteed in the US Constitution because you don't like it, but yet want to make sure people who are not citizens get a chance to come here un vetted and openly hostile to the American way of life.

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Do we know what the assault weapons are?

Pic here: http://mainichi.jp/graph/2015/12/04/20151204p2g00m0in039000c/001.html

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The lefty-loons would rather place blame on NRA than on the pair of terrorists directly responsible for perpetrating this criminal act and making pipe bombs. Pretzel logic!

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Alphaape, I'm disappointed that you take that position. Logically, you would thus support unlimited racial segregation - I mean, we can't be too careful, can we? Look at the list of the four largest mass shootings in American history and you'll find three white males and a Korean - all but one of which were Christian (one of the white males was an atheist white supremacist).

Also, please - and let me put this in caps - MOST GUN-CONTROL ADVOCATES DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS. Sensible legislation and blanket confiscation are quite different. Please do not go all knee-jerk here.

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Please do not go all knee-jerk here.

These people feel so strongly about the rights of the NRA and gun manufacturers to make obscene gobs of money and give some of it to pro-gun politicians that they just can't help themselves.

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This is not good, San Bernadino county is not that far from Fullerton county.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3_5YgK7ZE

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I can´t believe some people here are turning this terrorist incident into a "gun control" party political talking point. So the assumption is that some gun control law would have stopped these jihadis from mass murder? Insane!

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WilliB, back on topic please. The comments are about the NRA. You have to take one side or the other.

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I can´t believe some people here are turning this terrorist incident into a "gun control" party political talking point

Exactly! If an American-born citizen is not able to amass an arsenal of handguns and semiautomatics and at least 5,000 rounds of ammunition without drawing attention, the terrorists have won!

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A pretty morbid philosophy, though.

The only reason we have been born is to go to heaven, right? So some people like Farooq above choose to take their ticket early, and in order to guarantee a place up above (and not below) they take out a few other totally unrelated people for extra brownie points. And lots of people are sweetly poisoned into thinking like this! Nucking futs.

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Ironically, it's the "militarization of the police" that afforded the policemen the means to take on these well-armed criminals.

Shows the state of society that both sides are well-armed.

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Typical coward Islamic scumbags. Targeting the unarmed and most vulnerable.

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They LITERALLY defend the right to sell weapons to terrorists!!

So when will you actually blame the terrorists, now I want to hear from you, all BS aside! Forget about blaming the NRA, you're not going to drag and shove the blame that easily. Put the antagonistic hatred and hopeless end eco of trying to push to diminish the 2nd Amendment and rights of gun owners. Ain't gonna happen!

Now my question is: This was a terrorist act true or not?

Therefore, you defend the right for these terrorists to have had them, plain and simple. Such people helped put the weapons in these people's hands.

I blame the PEOPLE THAT USED THESE WEAPONS they and they alone get virtually all the blame. I'm a gun owner should I as well be punished or my rights stripped away from me because I'm a gun owner?

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Farook “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.”

Sure. And nothing screams peace like mass murder. Right. He sure showed her how peaceful Islam can be.

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WilliB DEC. 04, 2015 - 04:41PM JST I can´t believe some people here are turning this terrorist incident into a "gun control" party political talking point. So the assumption is that some gun control law would have stopped these jihadis from mass murder? Insane!

Now that is an insane comment.

The UK has draconian laws on firearms (as opposed to the lies you were peddling about France yesterday). The UK never has mass shootings with military grade weapons. Even a mentally handicapped person would be able to pick out the pattern here.....

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Reminds me of a Chris Rock routine, make all bullets cost $5,000. The constitution doesn't say anywhere the right to bear bullets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

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Do we know what the assault weapons are?

"Assault weapons" is a BS category which essentially boils down to "guns that look scary." Having never fired a gun myself, I'm not in a good position to identify the particular firearms involved. Fortunately, the NYT has already done it for me:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

The rifles are AR-15 variants. The article calls them "assault rifles" but that is somewhat misleading because, unlike real assault rifles, the ones for civilian use are only semi-automatic. Apparently the shooters replaced their usual 10 round magazines with high capacity ones.

Because you can only fire one bullet at a time, semi-automatics aren't really "assault weapons" in any meaningful sense. Now, you may be wondering why I am harping on this point when, practically speaking, you can still potentially kill a lot of people fairly quickly with a semi-automatic, especially if you have large capacity magazines

Well, there are a couple of reasons: first, I want you to understand that these guns are not some sort of special terrorist "superguns," but are really quite ordinary firearms. Non-gun owners who might be frightened by the term "semii-automatic" which the media tends to use in a menacing fashion need to understand that most ordinary handguns and a lot of rifles as semi-auto. Submachineguns, assault rifles, and some handguns are fully automatic, but these tend to be illegal for civilian use. An example of something less than semi-automatic would be something like a revolver, bolt-action rifle, or pump-action shotgun. Again, the point is that these guns are not special - no matter how intimidating the AR-15s may look, they are relatively ordinary guns.

Second, I want to make sure that, if you are going to call for some sort of gun control, that you do it from an informed position and not say something stupid like "we really need to ban assault weapons" when the term "assault weapons" is totally meaningless. The US congress is often guilty of this last one, with bills like the "assault weapons" ban which largely classifies weapons based on how scary they look rather than what they can do in a rather elaborate production of pointless "security theater" designed to make you feel safer despite actually doing little to nothing at a all.

Thirdly, I want to make sure that you keep your eye on the ball: most gun deaths are caused by ordinary handguns, and not big, scary "assault weapons." Most gun crimes are committed with handguns. So the weapons you should be most interested in talking about, if you are interested in curbing gun deaths, are handguns. But if you are going to talk about this, then you also need to know why the Supreme Court has ruled out-right handgun bans to be unconstitutional: the very features that make handguns great for crime - easy to carry, easy to conceal, easy to use - are precisely the same features which make hanguns ideal for civilian self-defense. Like it or not, Americans have a Constitutional right to carry firearms for their own defense, and handguns are central to this. You can argue until you are blue in the face about "well regulated militias," but the President sees fit to appoint you to the Supreme court, you might as well be talking to the wall. That said, the 2nd Amendment also absolutely does NOT rule out sensible gun control - the Justices have ruled that as well - so, if you really want to do something about gun deaths, then you first need to accept that gun culture and the right to self-defense are not going anywhere anytime soon, and then proceed to advocate for a solution that takes into account those realities. Otherwise you are just another self-righteous blowhard wasting everyone's time.

Personally, I think the most sensible first step towards dealing with the problem would be to regulate gun shows and online sales, including extending back-ground checks. The vast majority of Americans, left-wing or -right, gun-owning or not, agree with me. Apparently the Senate and the NRA do not. If anyone here is against this simple, common-sense measure, I would like a cogent explanation as to why.

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So the assumption is that some gun control law would have stopped these jihadis from mass murder?

You think they could have killed so many people so quickly and easily without really easy access to guns?

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Two weeks ago, Farook and one of the co-workers he killed, 52-year-old Nicholas Thalasinos, had a heated conversation about Islam

First Amendment, meet your brother the Second.

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Triumvere,

I appreciate you claiming you understand nothing about guns. Please watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Zjs44WvVA

The AR-15 an derivatives are easily made fully automatic. The parts can be bought for a few dollars easily online.

Hopefully you might want top retract that phrase that "semi-automatics aren't really "assault weapons" in any meaningful sense"

Regards

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"I'm an NRA supporter" The NRA are liberals. They don't support ownership of military grade weapons. Do you support a Liberal organization?

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The constitution doesn't say anywhere the right to bear bullets.

Yes it does. Its the right to be arms. Arms are knives, swords, guns, grenades, missiles, land mines, bullets, cannons, tanks, helicopter gunships, flame throwers, bows and arrows, brass knuckles, nunchaku, throwing stars, darts, poison gas, bullet proof vests, armor, shields, rockets, attack jets, spears, slingshots, crossbows, stun guns, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Yes, the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does indeed guarantee the right to all those. The question is if its really to any and all citizens, or only those belonging to a well regulated militia. It is my position that its only to well regulated militias. The whole thing was not about protecting your home from burglars. You could do that with locks, bars on the windows and some dogs. The thing was that citizens be able to protect themselves from a corrupt government, and a motley gang of individuals won't be able to do that. Thus, the "well regulated militia" bit.

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And the media unwilling to call this what it is - a carefully-plotted terrorist attack. Oh, but it isn't a problem with Islam!

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Triumvere, I appreciate you claiming you understand nothing about guns. Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Zjs44WvVA The AR-15 an derivatives are easily made fully automatic. The parts can be bought for a few dollars easily online. Hopefully you mght want top retract that phrase that "semi-automatics aren't really "assault weapons" in any meaningful sense" Regards

Madverts,

I am aware AR-15s can be converted to full auto. However, all the accounts so far regarding the shooting incident have stated that the rifles are "semi-automatic." Unless you have evidence otherwise, I would ask how much value there is in characterizing semi-auto AR-15's as "assault rifles."

In fact, I am wondering how many of the recent mass shootings in the US were actually performed with fully automatic weapons, because I honestly cannot recall any of them falling into that category.

As I said before, it is important that you don't take your eye off the ball.

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And the media unwilling to call this what it is - a carefully-plotted terrorist attack. Oh, but it isn't a problem with Islam!

Are terrorist attacks on abortion clinics a problem with Christianity? What about all those other mass shootings in America? This was number 352 this year alone! Did they have nothing to do with Christianity at all? Were none of them thinking some should die now and go to Heaven or Hell? Are you sure?

Even if this one was about Islam, what aspect of Islam exactly are you talking about? Through sarcasm, you claim the motive is Islam, and that motive makes it terrorism. Well? What is the motive? Speak. The police and media would really like to know and so would I.

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"Yes, the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does indeed guarantee the right to all those." Yes, "shall not be infringed" It seems some people are afraid that the President is going to invade the USA since they say he was a Muslim born in Kenya. But an AR to fight the American military since they are afraid of Obama's tyranny?

Well.....

...."We're gonna need a bigger boat."

The AR is a joke.

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People who support such free access to guns must in some way know that their position makes it easier for people like this to plan and carry out attacks, but I think they just love their guns so much that they want to look the other way. It's like the guy who insists he needs a gun to protect his family, then drops his kids off at school or the movies...with no thought that his position on guns makes it easier for some nutjob to follow his kids into the building.

There is a kind of absolute disconnect there. They see no link between easy access and an absurd number of shootings. They've been taught to believe that guns mean freedom and protection and that's the end of it.

Wc626: Heh . . . Farook and his islamic fling Malik were observed by their neighbors in the city of Redlands staying up late and "working" in their garage late at night. But she didn't report the activity to authorities because she didn' want accused of "racial profiling."

And what exactly would that call have been like? "My neighbor is working in his garage late at night." "I see, well we'll send over a squad car immediately."

bass: Forget about blaming the NRA, you're not going to drag and shove the blame that easily.

I'm guessing the NRA played a part in the recent vote allowing suspected terrorists to be able to obtain guns. So if a suspected terrorist does get a gun and uses it, there's no absolutely connection there at all?

And if this is a mental health issue, would gun supporters here agree to mental health checks before buying a gun? And regular mental health checks in order to keep your gun?

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ISIS are salivating at the fact obama's administration is allowing so many islamic refugees in. Wc626 Evidence? Please back up your claim.

Sorry no links, no evidence. The fact that they love beheading people and are constantly threatening the west and our "way of life" has led me to believe that they will try to enter the US with malicious intentions.

I could be wrong . . . but hey, don't blame me, "I didn't vote for change."

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" obama's administration is allowing so many islamic refugees in" This is from your belief of Obama being a Muslim born in Kenya?

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We read today that the GOP Shia-Tea, in response to the Cali slaughter, has guaranteed that terrorist watch list and no-fly list individuals, individuals who are a confirmed threat to the safety of all of us, will be able to buy as many guns as they wish in the States,

The NRA has bravely demanded the GOP Shia-Tea in the Senate reject any limit on no-fly list individuals from buying guns in the States. Victory!

The Americans can thank the NRA and their GOP Shia-Tea representatives for giving Jihadi Johhnys all the guns they want.

Can't wait for the next slaughter? The littlest gun nuts should be cheering! Their representatives in the Senate have rolled out the red carpet to welcome all no-fly list threats to buy their guns legally and with the blessing of the GOP Shia-Tea.

Another Victory for the NRA, the GOP Shia-Tea and a good solid slap in the face to the grieving families in Cali. That'll teach those Libs to not mess with the NRA and GOP Shia-Tea! USA! USA! USA!

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@nishikat. For the last time, "No."

He just shouldn't let them enter considering the global tide of fear from islam. In case you forgot, their waging a "Holy War." That's some scary crap. Wars are "won" in the temples before ever reaching the battlefields.

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@kcjapan - "You can thank the NRA." Nonsense. This was an act of terrorism. They could just have easily used traditional hunting weapons (wish to ban them?) or Molotov cocktails and knives. You're probably also in the "This is yet another instance of workplace violence" camp.

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"He just shouldn't let them enter considering the global tide of fear from islam. In case you forgot, their waging a "Holy War." That's some scary crap. Wars are "won" in the temples before ever reaching the battlefields."

The refugee process hasn't even started yet (and the first refugees won't be here for years). But according to your info ("obama's administration is allowing so many islamic refugees in" at this moment) Obama is already allowing his Muslim brothers in as I type this message to create the US a Muslim state. It does make sense since as you said Obama is Muslim and was not born in the USA..as you believe.

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You're so naive.

The refugee process hasn't even started yet (and the first refugees won't be here for years)

What about some (syrians) alredy in the US since the 80's-90's? The ones with "pretty pennies" to expedite and petition the US gov for a quick entry into the US. Yeah- those high priced immigration lawyers get the job done.

Remember. The business of america is "business." Muslims' dollars are green too. Sad but true.

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So keep the guns but ban the Muslims.

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@Wc626 Why are you so worried about Muslims and refugees? If its getting killed in mass slaughter, its the native born pseudo Christians you have to worry about. Never mind the headlines. Have a look at some statistics. Don't you know the press loves to play with your mind and trick into misconstruing things? This being mass shooting number 352 this year is not a joke, a lie or a trick, although one site said it was 353. I looked it up myself.

And this is not new information. I know you read this number already. Yet you go on about Muslims and refugees. Why?

The fact that they love beheading people and are constantly threatening the west and our "way of life"

Are you really that ignorant of what is going on the world? Its the west threatening their way of life. Primarily because we want their oil. If we don't get our sweet oil deals, we subvert their stable, democratically elected governments, and help get a dictator installed, or some other oppressive regime. You know why? Because any true democracy would start demanding a higher price for oil after a time! So we bomb them into the stone age and then you act surprised when a handful of them act like they really are from the stone age! What is a few beheadings compared to a secret drone program anyway? Why is even the body count kept a secret? I have read stats that say something like the success rate for drones was like 3.5 percent. That means for every 3.5 suspects killed, 96.5 other people got murdered. In one attack alone, and this had to be confirmed from the ground, just to kill one Qari Hussain, 128 other people were killed, 13 of them children. Who were they? Militants? Civilians? Who knows? The Pentagon won't tell us.

But you say its the Muslims and the refugees threatening OUR way of life?

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A strong probability that these two were motivated by political Islam.

Which just goes to show you:

Republicans love their guns more than they hate terrorism.

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The UK has draconian laws on firearms (as opposed to the lies you were peddling about France yesterday). The UK never has mass shootings with military grade weapons. Even a mentally handicapped person would be able to pick out the pattern here..

Thank God, we're not in the UK.

And the media unwilling to call this what it is - a carefully-plotted terrorist attack. Oh, but it isn't a problem with Islam

The left will go on and on with a boring and a Sunday service preaching as to why guns are bad and NO ONE cares what they say or think. We have about 20 million gun owners throughout the US. These people want to make it seem like thousands of people dying minute by minute to the point you can't walk down the street for fear of being murdered at every corner. These people are in need of serious help.

I'm guessing the NRA played a part in the recent vote allowing suspected terrorists to be able to obtain guns.

You know what annoys me deeply about liberals, you guys go nuts about firearms, but allowing Muslim refugees not properly vetted is ok with you people, not knowing who they are having possibly radical Jihadists imbedded with them.

So if a suspected terrorist does get a gun and uses it, there's no absolutely connection there at all?

You making the old "you didn't build that" analogy when Obama was talking about Steve Jobs didn't create Apple, it was everyone that contributed.

And if this is a mental health issue, would gun supporters here agree to mental health checks before buying a gun? And regular mental health checks in order to keep your gun?

In this dangerous day and age, I would.

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Hey Bass,

You are a gun owner, correct? Can I assume you believe that gun owners have responsibilities vis a vis the safe and responsible use of their firearms? Is there any form of gun control you would support? That is, what would "reasonable gun control" look like to you? Do you have any problems with extending background checks to gunshows and other currently uncovered purchases, for instance?

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You are a gun owner, correct? Can I assume you believe that gun owners have responsibilities vis a vis the safe and responsible use of their firearms?

Individually, yes, I do.

Is there any form of gun control you would support?

I might support some reform on the certain Assault Rifles, but an outright ban, No.

That is, what would "reasonable gun control" look like to you? Do you have any problems with extending background checks to gunshows and other currently uncovered purchases, for instance?

I wouldn't have a problem with that, in fact, I encourage it.

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What about mental health checks?

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Heh . . . Farook and his islamic fling Malik were observed by their neighbors in the city of Redlands staying up late and "working" in their garage late at night. But she didn't report the activity to authorities because she didn' want accused of "racial profiling."

Bassfunk: This is the center root of the problem. The country has gotten so overly PC because the liberals have turned and wussified the country where you have to be so careful about what you say and do, especially if you are white because the repercussions of anything regarding race is perceived as being racist or having racial undertones to the point where people would rather not help or get involved with minorities for being called a racist.

My god, bassfunky, do you NOT see HOW stupid this is! I report to the police, "HEY, my muslim neighbors are working in their GARAGE, after HOURS? SWAT team needed! So, yeah, in the nasty aftermath of them possibly finding that they were cleaning and that I just called it in because they were, in the end, muslims, well.....that make me out to be an ass, now doesn't it? Bassfunky, do you PINE for the CUBAN style spying on neighbors? The endless police searches without warrents (remember the constituion, buddy)? And why leave out Muslims then! Lets consider Sikhs, and Chinese--could be spies, you know. Lets generate an ocean of really pissed off people who then, yes, (self-fulfilling prophecy) then turn to terrorism. THE WHOLE point to this act lf terrorism is to have the US treat more muslims like garbage and have them become angry enough to blow up more people, so bassfunky, your rhetoric plays right into their hands. You are their BEST FRIEND.

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"I might support some reform on the certain Assault Rifles" No. 2A says "shall not be infringed". What you are saying sounds "Liberal"

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My god, bassfunky, do you NOT see HOW stupid this is! I report to the police, "HEY, my muslim neighbors are working in their GARAGE, after HOURS? SWAT team needed! So, yeah, in the nasty aftermath of them possibly finding that they were cleaning and that I just called it in because they were, in the end, muslims, well.....that make me out to be an ass, now doesn't it?

Who cares? Oh, well...*hit happens! I don't think the woman had anything to be ashamed off or needed to worry about anything. The majority of attacks worldwide of this magnitude have been done by radical Muslim Jihadists and had she called, I don't it would have been over reactionary in the least. Now looking back in hindsight, I'm sure she wished she would have made that call.

Bassfunky,

Bassfunk, please continue...

do you PINE for the CUBAN style spying on neighbors?

In the times we now live in, Yes.

The endless police searches without warrents (remember the constituion, buddy)?

I do, and we have president that has circumvented the constitution, so what's your point.

And why leave out Muslims then! Lets consider Sikhs, and Chinese--could be spies, you know.

When the Sikhs and the Chinese are equally radical and causing murder and mayhem, then by all means spy on them as well.

Lets generate an ocean of really pissed off people who then, yes, (self-fulfilling prophecy) then turn to terrorism.

We already have pissed off Americans, but for some reason, the president doesn't care one iota about that.

THE WHOLE point to this act lf terrorism is to have the US treat more muslims like garbage and have them become angry enough to blow up more people, so bassfunky, your rhetoric plays right into their hands. You are their BEST FRIEND.

No, the problem is, the moderate Muslims are NOT speaking out enough and condemning the hijacking of the religion and what is one to take from this? You cannot with all your liberal emotion change the perceptions of what the people are seeing for themselves. People are not stupid and talking and making them seem like they are stupid and don't know how to identify what terrorism is, just makes all this more insulting and the president should be ashamed of himself. But more people are waking up and are not taking it and buying it anymore. More people are taking matters into their own hands.

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"I might support some reform on the certain Assault Rifles" Bass, your view on guns is very very Liberal. The constitution says "shall not be infringed" This means you can't restrict anything including assault rifles.

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No, the problem is, the moderate Muslims are NOT speaking out enough and condemning

Please define what "enough" is for you. Do you need to open your door and see Muslims denouncing terrorism? Massive worldwide rallies? It's obvious you have no interest in doing much of anything with the Muslim community besides banning them, so I'm genuinely curious what research you've done to see what they are doing in terms of speaking out.

And on the same note, what have you done to speak out against gun violence? You say you support some common sense measures....so do a few messages on a chat board qualify you as speaking out? Let's apply your criteria to both you and Muslims and see where the chips fall.

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@Bass

So one of the first things that happened in the wake of shooting was that the guys at CAIR got on TV and condemned the attacks. They also put the brother-in-law on TV to talk about how shocked and sorry he was. Was this response insufficient, and if so, what more would be required?

Like SuperLib, I'm inclined to wonder why Muslims should be called on to collectively denounce Islamist terrorism, while gun owners are not collectively called on to denounce gun violence.

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Thank God, we're not in the UK.

Yes, thank God you're not in the UK.

Thing is, in the UK people get along just fine without any guns. They don't seem to serve any especially useful purpose except possibly stopping a tyrannical government from trying to take your gun away, so why is it so desperately important for anyone to have one? Presumably lots of pro-gun people here are all for bans on other things that kill people, like Class A drugsAre American gun owners compensating for something? Thank God I'm not American if it means feeling insecure and inadequate without owning some stupid thing that I might accidentally blow my own head off with.

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From TheOnion.com

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51938

SAN BERNARDINO, CA—In the hours following a violent rampage in southern California in which two attackers killed 14 individuals and seriously injured 17 others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Michigan resident Emily Harrington, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations.

“It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep these individuals from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past six and a half years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings

Because the narcotraficantes lost count.

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"I might support some reform on the certain Assault Rifles" Bass, your view on guns is very very Liberal. The constitution says "shall not be infringed" This means you can't restrict anything including assault rifles.

I said, It's something I would like to see, but I agree, you can't restrict them.

Please define what "enough" is for you. Do you need to open your door and see Muslims denouncing terrorism? Massive worldwide rallies?

Pretty much. You nailed it.

It's obvious you have no interest in doing much of anything with the Muslim community besides banning them, so I'm genuinely curious what research you've done to see what they are doing in terms of speaking out.

What? Hey, it's not my job to speak out on behalf of the Muslim community. That's their job and if they want to change the impression of how people view them, THEY have to denounce radical Islam as well as Sharia in all its wicked forms and show the world and teach the world that Islam is not the brutal violent religion most people in the world think. If they don't, then the perceptions remain as well as the distrust and that's on them. This is the harsh reality.

And on the same note, what have you done to speak out against gun violence?

I have and a lot more than you think. I speak specifically how the black community is plagued by it. I have always complained as with the Islamic community, why Black leaders don't come out and condemn Black on Black violence which is way out of control. Chicago alone as to date about 2,700 people that died from gun violence. Where is Obama, Jackson and where is Sharpton? Why is it they never say anything about this?

You say you support some common sense measures....so do a few messages on a chat board qualify you as speaking out?

I'm speaking out on JT the same as you.

Let's apply your criteria to both you and Muslims and see where the chips fall.

What? Ok...lol...And let's not have our heads in the sand and pretend that guns are real issue. The real issue is denial and liberals have a fundamental problem admitting and calling out radical Islam for what it really is.

Yes, thank God you're not in the UK

I already said that.

Thing is, in the UK people get along just fine without any guns.

That's great. We get along with people as well with guns and the best thing about it is, I don't have to worry about any would be potential criminal trying to do something seriously stupid as to rob me. Plus, we love guns, so what's your point exactly?

They don't seem to serve any especially useful purpose except possibly stopping a tyrannical government from trying to take your gun away, so why is it so desperately important for anyone to have one?

1) I like to hunt

2) to stop and thwart any threat that would seek to come into my residenc and harm me and my family,

3) I enjoy going to the shooting range and blow stuff up, I really get a kick out of that.

4) we have that right.

That's pretty much the main reason why most people love guns, as well as I.

Presumably lots of pro-gun people here are all for bans on other things that kill people, like Class A drugsAre American gun owners compensating for something?

But Europeans get some of the best drugs there is in the market.

Thank God I'm not American if it means feeling insecure and inadequate without owning some stupid thing that I might accidentally blow my own head off with.

See, we both can have a cup of tea and agree to disagree on a variety of subjects and topics.

Like SuperLib, I'm inclined to wonder why Muslims should be called on to collectively denounce Islamist terrorism, while gun owners are not collectively called on to denounce gun violence.

That's just pure nonesense. You are excusing the people that go around purposely to shoot up and kill people in the name of religion. Yes, you have your wing nuts on the flpside in the states that commit crimes, but compared to what the jihadists have done worldwide anyone denying it is on so, serious whacky tabaki.

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Presumably lots of pro-gun people here are all for bans on other things that kill people, like Class A drugsAre

Hit "SUBMIT" before I really meant to. I meant to say, if some people are so down on Class A drugs, given the amount of people they kill, I'm surprised they're so keen on owning guns. Oh, they're vital for protection? Pah. Stories I've read recently indicate that there's about as much chance of a child getting hold of a gun and shooting a sibling with it as there is of the parent having to use it to protect those children with. It just looks to me as if the drawbacks of mass gun ownership far outweigh the benefits.

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One of the first officers to reach the room said the carnage was “unspeakable” and the scene overwhelming — the smell of gunpowder, the wails of the injured, the blood, fire sprinklers pumping and fire alarms blaring. All in a room with a Christmas tree and decorations on every table.

Just a quick note to the NRA fans. The comments submitted previously are clearly hurtful as intended.

It is very important to recognize the issue of gun control in the States is a potentially volatile subject.

With recognition to JT, this forum has provided a fair platform for considered opinion that is valuable and constructive. As with all matters that can be emotional it is very important to moderate criticism with respect.

It is clear the continued reports of slaughter in the States can prompt strong reply. As every NRA member can attest the purpose of the NRA isn't the promotion of slaughter by threat to Legislators. And, for those here who deserve fair hearing, their opinions should not be met with abuse, JT is a forum not a Parliament of address.

It is fitting then to note the quote above. Urging the citizens and Legislators of the States to considered protection of the innocent is fair comment but not at the cost of denigrating JT's public forum. Fairly said and respected. The horror speaks for it's self.

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KCJapan when confronted with someone holding a weapon and having the intent to BLOW you away are you going to spout that BS about the NRA?Or are you going to be dead?? From experience I will tell you you are going to be DEAD!

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nishinarikuDec. 06, 2015 - 10:21AM JST KCJapan when confronted with someone holding a weapon and having the intent to BLOW you away are you going to spout that BS about the NRA?Or are you going to be dead?? From experience I will tell you you are going to be DEAD!

As many can see in these posts the rhetorical of the NRA fan is both alarmist and irrational. Please do not think this poster has not faced your hypothetical.

Offered the sense of restraint, the NRA fan is allowed the extreme. Note also the specific attack on a poster's observation. So, peace to all, the JT is not in the business of chasing reckless anger. And no posts made in this anguished history attacked others except as caricature for effect.

The point is not to lecture. JT, as stated previously: It is clear the continued reports of slaughter in the States can prompt strong reply. As every NRA member can attest the purpose of the NRA isn't the promotion of slaughter by threat to Legislators. And, for those here who deserve fair hearing, their opinions should not be met with abuse, JT is a forum not a Parliament of address.

The result then is not removing posts which respectfully address slaughter and allow personal attack, but the simple pointing up for those who take a personal attack as their right in JT threads.

Gods bless those few who need provide analysis of JT posters. Grim that when the lives of thousands are critiqued.

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Stop blaming NRA, Republicans, conservatives, veteran's and any other BS you people want too blame. There are crazy evil people who are at fault. Who's cares how many rounds were found. California has some of the strictest guns laws in country and would not have stopped evil. The weapons that were bought were legal. Besides magazines can only hold 10 rounds, also only 1 bullet at a time comes out with each pull of trigger. Also the number's show that when good civilians are armed crime goes down not up.

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Stop blaming NRA, . . .The weapons that were bought were legal. - comments

For this American the results were a success! Legal weapons of mass destruction and a rubber stamp for the NRA who gave these Cali mental cases their guns. Victory!

Before someone complains about this naughty poster on JT, the NRA/GOP green lighted as many guns as no-fly and watch-list individuals want should be delivered to their sweaty hands.

Why isn't all of America holding a ticker-tape parade for the NRA?

They are really only trying to get more guns into the hands of the terrorists as the Second Amendment requires.

(OOPS! Another post the JT needs to remove?)

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California has some of the strictest guns laws in country and would not have stopped evil.

So not really very strict at all then, given that the country in question is America...

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stop selling all the types of bullets. Brand the NRA as a terrorist organization. Freeze assets.

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Why isn't all of America holding a ticker-tape parade for the NRA?

LoL. Obviously you've never before in your life been to a Pro Bass Shop, or a something like that.

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kcjapanDec. 04, 2015 - 07:46AM JST "The husband-and-wife attackers who killed 14 people at a holiday party had enough bullets and bombs to slaughter hundreds more You can thank the NRA. These homicidal freaks had every right to have as many guns and as much ammo as they desired.

Why? We can also thank all the anti-gunners because if just one person had a gun on them how many lives could have been spared?

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You can thank the NRA.

Did the NRA force the French government to sell guns to the jihadis that killed 130 two weeks ago? Well actually no, they did not. Why are people shocked that bad guys are constantly breaking the law and doing terrible things? The NRA and the lack of even more stringent gun control laws in California are not the issue. The issue in this particular case is Islamic inspired terrorism. Even with the tough French gun control laws a massacre was perpetrated by terrorists with automatic, military style weapons.

The people responsible for these deaths are the sick Islamic supremacists that perpetrated the Paris and San Bernadino mayhem. You would have to be extremely naive to believe that French style gun control laws would have stopped the slaughter in California. America is unable to stop a tidal wave of illegal drugs and immigrants from Mexico. What makes anyone think that guns would not also flow heavily across the border as well?

The problem on the Left is that they are using the NRA as a proxy for their anger at the Constitution and the majority of Americans that support the right to bear arms. How about focusing on the real problem - the presence of Islamic supremacists in Europe and the US. If you cannot do that, how about making the effort to amend the Constitution as it has already been done more than two dozens times? It is telling that the Democrat party will not even attempt to overturn the 2nd amendment when that is clearly their goal. They prefer instead to seek ways to impose their views by executive dictate or to simply use guns as a wedge issue for political gain.

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You can thank the NRA.

Yes, the USA should have strict gun control laws like they do in France. That's why these sorts of things don't happen in Paris, right?

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That's why these sorts of things don't happen in Paris, right?

Obama did say that San Bernardino type shootings never happen in other countries like France. I thought that was a strange comment to make right after 130 people were massacred in Paris just a week before. An amazingly asinine lack of awareness on his part.

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