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U.S. envoys work for new hostage release deal, scale-down of Israel-Hamas war but say no timetable

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It's unlikely Hamas soley killed 1200 people. It is apparent IDF forces killed hundreds of people in the hours and days post Hamas attack.

The IDF admits to a 20% "friendly fire " rate in the current war.

There is footage of the Hamas attack that show damage unable to have been done by men on motorcycles or cars...damage that could only be from Israeli tanks and helicopter gunships.

I suppose enquiries into this will be buried like the many torched cars and people inside .

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How hypocritical is the US?

US supplies munitions to Israel that have killed and are killing thousands and maiming many more!

Of course, the US has no motivation to call for a ceasefire-business is too good!

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kurisupisuToday 08:26 am JST

How hypocritical is the US?

US supplies munitions to Israel that have killed and are killing thousands and maiming many more!

Of course, the US has no motivation to call for a ceasefire-business is too good!

Taking civilians hostage is a war crime. Since two wrongs don't make a right, there is nothing hypocritical about demanding their release.

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GuruMick & kurisupisu

Well said!

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""The head of the CIA jetted to Europe for talks with Israeli and Qatari officials Monday, sounding out the potential for a deal on a new cease-fire and the release of hostages in Gaza, as the U.S. defense secretary spoke to Israeli military leaders about scaling back major combat operations against Hamas.""

No Doubt Who Is Running This War, and it is NOT Israel Nor Hamas!!! they are just doing the killings.

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""there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).[5] Wikipedia Palestinian prisoners in Israel""

Israel has 4,450 Palestinian Kidnaped HOSTAGES in it's jails as of April 2022 with over 1,000 indefinitely incarcerated without charge, Hamas had only 153 until Israel killed 3 of them this past Sunday.

The Palestinians including Hamas and others have every right to take Hostages and do what ever it takes to win the release of their Brothers and Sisters in Israeli jails since NO ONE IS DOING ANTHING about this abuse of Human Rights

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IDF war criminals won't stop until Gaza is flattened and the entire population displaced! Those 3 mistakenly killed wouldn't have been heard of if they were Palestinians waving a white flag! The IDF war criminals just shoot first.

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This is could become the, decisive/destructive/ jihad/crusade, resulting in an all-consuming holy war throughout the middle east, provoking a spark for global intercontinental political/military dissemination, conflict on an unfathomable scale.

Is this natures way, a test?

To sit back, a causal observer, or intervene and bring this religious hatred festering centuries to an abrupt end.

Don't contend it can't be done.

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 “This is Israel’s operation. I’m not here to dictate timelines or terms.

That's correct, it's genocide operation without clear timetable. The longer it is, more people become victim. Just yesterday, refugee camp is being targeted and cause 100 casualties.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/israeli-airstrikes-kill-dozens-gaza-calls-for-ceasefire-hostage-talks-grow-public-anger-hostages

That operation also targeted hospital.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144887

No other countries can do this unstoppable without any consequence, not Syria or even Russia. Only that one privileged country.

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It's unlikely Hamas soley killed 1200 people. It is apparent IDF forces killed hundreds of people in the hours and days post Hamas attack.

The IDF admits to a 20% "friendly fire " rate in the current war.

There is footage of the Hamas attack that show damage unable to have been done by men on motorcycles or cars...damage that could only be from Israeli tanks and helicopter gunships.

I suppose enquiries into this will be buried like the many torched cars and people inside .

This is a completely unhinged conspiracy theory. Please post any source to corroborate any of the ridiculous claims you just made

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Fears grow of all-out Israel-Hezbollah war as fighting escalates

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/fears-grow-of-all-out-israel-hezbollah-war-as-fighting-escalates-lebanon

US, present/ future administrations are drawn into to an ever widening political/religious military conflict.

The Government of Israel are convinced Oct 7th, is a date in history, the moment of truth, total clarity.

It is a political quagmire to ascertain a meaning to this war in Gaza, to have a ghoulish/macabre onus on whether Israel or Hamas is the most genocidal.

The Palestinian people, families, women children will remain casualties of war.

It must, sooner or later provoke the question, who or what body will ultimately decide, or have the political influence to demand/command a means to halt this crusade, yes it is a crusade, a Jihad.

The second world war was defined by battlefield dress. distinct uniform.

Not 21st century terror tactical, hide and seek guerrilla warfare.

Hence defining the ever growing casualties in Gaza between civilians and Hamas terrorists.

The propaganda war.

Hence IDF indiscriminate war of attrition , the total policy of harsh retribution across a Gaza civilian population.

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Doubters can google stuff or watch alternative media like al Jazzeera.

I dont do others homework.

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The people of Gaza are learning that if you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Years of supporting Hamas, looking the other way when Hamas fired terror rockets from their gardens, built tunnels under their schools and so on, have led them to today.

And even so, the IDF has been remarkably restrained and merciful.

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It's unlikely Hamas soley killed 1200 people. It is apparent IDF forces killed hundreds of people in the hours and days post Hamas attack.

Its also important to note how many of those killed were military personnel. Acoording to the latest reports fro the IDF approximately 700 civilians were killed. Still a terrible tragedy either way, but its worth recognising the difference between the two groups that were targeted.

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This is a completely unhinged conspiracy theory. Please post any source to corroborate any of the ridiculous claims you just made

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231211-survivor-of-kibbutz-beeri-incident-reveals-harrowing-details-of-israeli-forces-assault/

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Human Rights Watch on Monday accused Israel of deliberately starving Gaza's population — which would be a war crime — pointing to statements by senior Israeli officials expressing the intent to deprive civilians of food, water and fuel or linking the entry of aid to the release of hostages.

There it is

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Doubters can google stuff or watch alternative media like al Jazzeera.

They don't want to. They just continue with their Israel is obeying international law.

I dont do others homework.

Probably wouldn't make any difference

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There's a saying that if you owe the bank thousands, the bank has the power, but if you owe the bank thousands of millions, you have the power.

And that's the dynamic here. The Israeli regime couldn't have committed the war crimes and crimes against humanity it had in the run-up to the Hamas Rebellion without American permission and support. But those years of permission to engage in mass murder means that the US can't afford to stop supporting the Israeli regime as it commits mass slaughter on an epic scale, because that would be admitting to itself that it knowingly supported mass murder for decades, even though that means that everyone can see it supporting the mass slaughter.

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Richard: if you want to see mass murder, just look at what Muslims do to each other. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, far worse than anything Israel as ever done.

If you are agaiinst human rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, then by all means support Hamas and the Palestinians.

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231211-survivor-of-kibbutz-beeri-incident-reveals-harrowing-details-of-israeli-forces-assault/

I read the article and watched the video. No where is there any evidence or testimony of the IDF killing “hundreds of people”. You have still failed to post any proof of the IDF mass killing it’s own civilians on October 7th

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Israel has its own timetable, after Arab terrorists murdered and kidnapped over 1400 people.

As a result, Hamas and its supporters are to be eradicated at any cost, which Israel has the right to do under international law and as a result has minimized civilian casualties in Gaza.

In the best case scenario, Israel gets its lands back in Gaza and the West Bank, which are currently being illegally occupied by Arabs.

Israel owes no mercy to anyone.

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In the unprecedented attack, militants killed some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducted around 240 men, women and children.

Why do they continue repeating that lie.

1,200 israelis were indeed killed on Oct 7. About 350 were IDF (occupying force). Of about 850 israeli civilian deaths, most were killed by the IDF, who attacked everything that moved with their tanks, helicopters and soldiers. Including shelling houses occupied by civilians.

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US supplies munitions to Israel that have killed and are killing thousands and maiming many more!

Yes, israel and the US have killed at least 20,000 Palestinians, including about 7,000 children.

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most were killed by the IDF, who attacked everything that moved with their tanks, helicopters and soldiers. Including shelling houses occupied by civilians.

The nerve it takes to call other people liars while spreading this completely unfounded lie is insane

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Richard: if you want to see mass murder, just look at what Muslims do to each other. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, far worse than anything Israel as ever done.

What a weird thing to say. Just look at what Christians do to each other in Ukraine and Russia, and the constant gang wars in South and Central America.

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1,200 israelis were indeed killed on Oct 7. About 350 were IDF (occupying force). Of about 850 israeli civilian deaths, most were killed by the IDF, who attacked everything that moved with their tanks, helicopters and soldiers. Including shelling houses occupied by civilians.

About 700 civilians

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

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No where is there any evidence or testimony of the IDF killing “hundreds of people”. You have still failed to post any proof of the IDF mass killing it’s own civilians on October 7th

The Grayzone (https://thegrayzone.com/) goes over the evidence, including israeli news reports. There are images online showing hundreds of cars completely destroyed at the rave. That was not done by Hamas; same with the destroyed homes.

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The Grayzone (https://thegrayzone.com/) goes over the evidence, including israeli news reports.

Where? Link an article

There are images online showing hundreds of cars completely destroyed at the rave. That was not done by Hamas; same with the destroyed homes.

Destroyed cars and homes (which you’ve yet to prove was does by Israel) are not the same as “Of about 850 israeli civilian deaths, most were killed by the IDF” as you said. Please post any source for this insane claim

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The Grayzone is a great website. It has plenty of articles about the initial IDF response. They were among the first to report Apache attack helicopters killing many people at the rave and general indiscriminate use of heavy weapons.

It's not rocket science to find it.

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The Grayzone is a great website. It has plenty of articles about the initial IDF response. They were among the first to report Apache attack helicopters killing many people at the rave and general indiscriminate use of heavy weapons. 

It's not rocket science to find it.

Okay link it then. Why is it so difficult for people to post sources for their claims? It’s almost as if your claims are completely bogus

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Tanzanian exchange student will not need to be released. Hamas perforated him even though he begged for his life. Who does this?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1736532399633367174

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I hope the Palestinians get their state and can eventually thrive, but Hamas should have no place at the table.

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