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The 16 people who died Sunday included eight women and eight men aged in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s

“NSW Health says those who died were in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s but did not disclose who was or wasn't vaccinated.”

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There were 1,927 people in hospitals, including 151 people in intensive care.

Can we please get figures on how many of these people were tripled, double, single and zero vaccinated.

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The numbers do not necessarily reflect the true spread of the virus as they only count the number of recorded cases.

Funny how this line was never published over the last 2 years in regards to testing in Japan which we all know has done minimal teststing throughout. And yet article about Australia which tests 10 times more with a population 5 times smaller mentions it.

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BlacklabelToday  02:05 pm JST

The 16 people who died Sunday included eight women and eight men aged in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s

“NSW Health says those who died were in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s but did not disclose who was or wasn't vaccinated.”

What they're leaving out says as much or more than what they actually report. So it's not unreasonable to assume that most if not all had received at least one vaccination. Otherwise they'd be shouting from the rooftops about the ones who were unvaccinated.

Given that Australia has banned treatments that are proven to work, it's no stretch to say that governments at the federal and state level are allowing people to die by intentionally withholding potentially effective treatment - tantamount to murder. All for political purposes.

On top of this, they've engineered shortages of test kits by requiring or conning employers into requiring a negative PCR or RAT test to do just about anything. This is leading to supply shortages for essentials because without test results, suppliers and logistics operators aren't allowed to work. And anyone who's pinged as a "close contact" has to isolate, further exacerbating the personnel shortage problem.

I wish this was only the result of incompetence, but malicious intent seems to be what's going on. A harsh crackdown feeding on the general feeling of public angst, followed by easing restrictions, followed by another crackdown and then a let-up, and then another crackdown, rinse and repeat until either the population fights back or breaks.

Which one will it be?

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The 16 people who died Sunday included eight women and eight men aged in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s

In their 70s, 80s, and 90s, humans can expect to die. That is life. The article does not specify if these deaths were from or with Covid, which is a hard distinction to make anyway when there are comorbidities.

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2 years and counting of this and the NSW and Australian Federal Government haven't learned a thing. Not from Australia's experience nor from any other country on the planet. Total and complete ineptitude.

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Come on! The US has 1,200 dying each day, so with only one tenth of the population the number dying per day in Australia should be about 120 but it's nowhere near that.

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Given that Australia has banned treatments that are proven to work, it's no stretch to say that governments at the federal and state level are allowing people to die by intentionally withholding potentially effective treatment - tantamount to murder. All for political purposes.

Except that your whole conspiracy theory is just nonsense, no treatment that actually works has been banned, only things that have been proved NOT to work according to the scientific and medical consensus.

Can we please get figures on how many of these people were tripled, double, single and zero vaccinated.

How many people do you imagine would be enough to contradict the knowledge we have about the vaccines from literally millions of people? One thing is to irrationally reject everything sciences proves, another much more dangerous is to try and convince other people to make the same mistake.

In their 70s, 80s, and 90s, humans can expect to die.

And also to live. People with even a tiny amount of empathy would not be dismissing these as just something that should happen for your personal convenience but instead something well worthy of being prevented.

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So yeah based on all that, I can see that you also realize these people were vaccinated.

if they weren’t they be presented as examples of the “dangers” of being old and unvaccinated.

worthy of being prevented.

thats why they got vaccinated- to prevent dying from COVID. How did that work out?

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So yeah based on all that, I can see that you also realize these people were vaccinated.

No that is a baseless assumption, some people die even after vaccination, much more people die without it, some people are at an increased risk of infection in the first place, trying to misrepresent deaths as proof that vaccines are not effective without even a minimal analysis is more proof of a deep lack of understanding of the problem and strong wish to deceive as much people as you can before more details appear and disprove antivaxxer beliefs.

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Ok then.

no treatment that actually works has been banned, only things that have been proved NOT to work according to the scientific and medical consensus.

So what are the science proven treatments that people are given that DO work instead?

and why aren’t people given those to live or why didn’t those work like science says they do?

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Science that cannot be questioned is simply propaganda.

In fact, the scientific method:

“It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation.”

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So if you start with “the vaccine is the solution” you end with “the vaccine is the solution”.

No that is a baseless assumption, some people die even after vaccination, 

now that vaccinated people are also dying, why don’t we start with a different hypothesis? The scientific method even addresses cognitive assumptions and how they distort.

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We should have empathy for anybody who dies, anybody who gets sick and anybody who is in the hospital.

We should also have empathy for anybody who's getting fired unfairly or discriminated against or getting pressured into doing something to their body that they don't want to do.

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“NSW Health says those who died were in their 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s but did not disclose who was or wasn't vaccinated.”

as of September Australian ICU admittance

86% were unvaccinated (492/574)

12% had received one dose (69/574)

2% had received two doses (13/574)

https://www.monash.edu/medicine/news/latest/2021-articles/latest-figures-on-australian-icus-underscore-need-for-greater-vaccination

As of Dec In NSW hospital 58.6% unvaxxed

In NSW ICU 72% unvaxxed

https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/697270/20211216-COVID-19-Monitor.pdf

so the science is right again, being vaccinated decreased your chances of serious infection, eg ICU compared to unvaxxed. similar stats throughout most countries hospitals

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Given that Australia has banned treatments that are proven to work,

Why lie? Australia has embraced science backed treatments that work. Your lie just muddies the water so people are misled. Some nefarious agenda working against public health.

Surprised that the mods allow posts with such blatant lies to remain up.

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Zero Covid = zero Covid deaths, living with the viruses = dying with the viruses. In other words, the numbers only reflect their strategy change.

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I’m not satisfied with the “science” solution that best matches the approved “politics” solution.

if vaccinated people often still get Covid and sometimes still die, “the vaccine” is not “the solution”.

so why don’t we find what the solution is? It could be from an unpopular scientist who isn’t far left politically and it could mirror the views of an unpopular politician. But that should be ok.

“the solution” could still involve the vaccine. It could be vaccine + ivermectin + 30 mins of sun a day + eating 2 oranges including the peel- who knows? then nobody dies of COVID and no “breakthrough cases”. A SOLUTION.

or it could be all of that without a vaccine being needed at all.

Why don’t we have the strength to demand that someone find out? instead of just making excuses for vaccinated people still getting COVID and still dying??

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So what are the science proven treatments that people are given that DO work instead?

and why aren’t people given those to live or why didn’t those work like science says they do?

What do you imagine people receive in the hospital. cheers and saline solution? There are a huge lot of things that people require and get in the hospital according to the problems they get thanks to COVID, what people do not get, and should not get, are drugs that only contribute with risks and known toxicity without having any benefit for them. Just saying that people should have perfect treatments that work every time is nonsense, the disease kills even if doctors do their best, that is the whole point of them asking people to avoid being infected in the first place.

Science that cannot be questioned is simply propaganda.

"questioning" science do not mean endlessly repeating false things just because you are unable to accept they have been proved wrong. There is no realistic way the whole scientific community is wrong in something that you would like to believe and want to force them to keep reconsidering even when that has been repeatedly proved wrong, that is not questioning, that is just living in denial.

We should also have empathy for anybody who's getting fired unfairly or discriminated against or getting pressured into doing something to their body that they don't want to do.

Nobody is, people are just getting the valid consequences of their irrational choices, the same a smoker is not being forced to quit, just to stop smoking in public spaces, nor people are being forced to stop drinking, just being forced to stop driving while they do.

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We should also have empathy for anybody who's getting fired unfairly or discriminated against or getting pressured into doing something to their body that they don't want to do.

And we can even have empathy for people fired for failure to follow health and safety requirements, who are discriminated against for putting themselves and others at greater health risk and for being conned that getting vaccinated is worse than death.

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Mortality figures are low so far, as they are everywhere where Omicron has gained the ascendancy. Fellow pro-vaxxers shouldn’t worry too much about the discredited opinions of the anti-vaxxer rump infesting this site. More than 90% of Australians are vaccinated, a statistic that demonstrates more powerfully than any other factor just how little regard most people have for the opinions of those who continue to advocate for ivermectin, etcetera, and who glory in higher infection numbers while pretending a hypocritical concern. Ignore them.

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As of Dec In NSW hospital 58.6% unvaxxed

Soundbit internet stats like this are questionable because when you check clearly you'll find manipulation.

For example, the stats come from a Children's hospital.

But like 90% of children are unvaccinated.

When the headline is reported they omit word "children's " from "children's hospital"

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16 died from Omicron?

Kinda hard to believe as there are few, if any, deaths in U. S, due to Omicron.

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There are a huge lot of things that people require and get in the hospital 

A huge lot of things? Wow sounds super “scientific”. Odd that you can’t share any specifics.

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@Peter14:

Agree 100%.

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