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If they're gong to do that, they should also ban the communist hammer and sickle and the communist red star. After all, they sympbolise a political system that's been responsible for even more death and destruction that what the Nazis wreaked, and continues today with very little if any criticism by public institutions.

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they sympbolise a political system that's been responsible for even more death and destruction that what the Nazis wreaked, and continues today with very little if any criticism by public institutions.

You mean the Union Jack?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians

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Totally fine with this banning.

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How about banning ISIS flags, as recently seen in Sydney in support of Hamas?

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How about banning ISIS flags, as recently seen in Sydney in support of Hamas?

From the article:

The new law also bans the public display or trade in symbols associated with prohibited terror organizations, such as Islamic state

Anyway, I doubt this kind of ban achieves much. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for this kind of trash.

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In recent London Palestinian protests, people were arrested for having Hamas symbols and charged with hate crimes.

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The ISIS flag shown in Sydney more likely a flag with the Arabic "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger ", so unless you read Arabic, people see what is not there.

It's Israel using terror to displace a population, its settlers using terror to drive Arabs out of homelands, but of course these things are not to be spoken.

I see lots of skirmishes in Courts where somebody will defend a charge of "Nazi salute "" by claiming a mosquito was above them.

This law probably driven by the all powerful Jewish lobby.

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If they really stand behind their nazi beliefs they’ll ignore this law and get arrested. Which would be great, but neo-nazis are a sad little boys club blaming ‘the other’ on their dis functional lives so will just have to hide their flags in the basement and salute each other in the dark. Either way they lose.

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Expect nothing less from a far-left factioned Government.

The Government in power at this point in time is ridiculous.

I expect even more stupid policies to follow.

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The Japanese Imperial flag maybe the next on to ban?

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Several European countries banned Nazi symbols with possible prison terms. Including Holocaust deniers.

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If they're gong to do that, they should also ban the communist hammer and sickle and the communist red star. After all, they sympbolise a political system that's been responsible for even more death and destruction that what the Nazis wreaked, and continues today with very little if any criticism by public institutions.

Yeah, and why not the symbol for capitalism too, whatever it is?

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Germany has had this ban for decades, and quite right, however, it has not stopped the AdF ( Alternative für Deutschland ) .

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I expect even more stupid policies to follow.

Why do you think placing restrictions on neo-nazis is ‘stupid’?

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When one is arguing against banning Nazi symbols, one really needs to rethink one’s values.

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The law makes it an offense punishable by up to 12 months in prison to publicly perform the Nazi salute or display the Nazi swastika or the double-sig rune associated with the Schutzstaffel (SS) paramilitary group.

Let's think about this for a second.

To stick your arm straight up (to greet a friend) is fine.

To stick your arm straight out (to pat the head of a child or large dog) is fine.

But something roughly in between that will land you a 12 month prison sentence.

Completely arbitrary and completely insane.

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Better (EXTREMELY) late than never, I guess.

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Yeah, and why not the symbol for capitalism too, whatever it is?

All religious symbols for violent religions will be banned when we get our turn.

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(Just the violent ones, though, I promise!)

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Are Aussies really such snowflakes that the mere sight of a controversial image will send them straight to the fainting couch?

No, but we have the habit of being so disinterested in what's going on in politics, that Canberra regularly takes advantage of our political apathy with such cunning and stealth that but the time we realize what's actually happening it's usually too late.

And to anybody who couldn't see a problem with electing the center-left/far-left coalition that is Labor/Greens to power federally, and in every single state and territory, you'll have plenty of think about it in prison the next time you unwittingly wave to someone at a 45 degree angle.

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The same wayas a USA citizens stance on anti Islamic but Worst because jew have reach into politic and corrupt it with money. The same reason why they got kick out of the. Egypt, Palestine, Spain then Europe. because the jew can't behave like Norman citizen

Being against Israeli terrorism or Disney doesn’t make you antisemitic, but the garbage you spew I quoted above just might.

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you'll have plenty of think about it in prison the next time you unwittingly wave to someone at a 45 degree angle.

Don’t be ridiculous.

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you'll have plenty of think about it in prison the next time you unwittingly wave to someone at a 45 degree angle.

When your beloved Establishment Left has a complete stranglehold over the entire political, academic and media landscape, where opposing views will absolutely not be tolerated, that is very easy for you to say.

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It’s easy to say because it is common sense, I like to think about things and I don’t get riled up or scared by my imagination.

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When your beloved Establishment Left has a complete stranglehold over the entire political, academic and media landscape, where opposing views will absolutely not be tolerated, that is very easy for you to say.

You do realise that it was the right-wing Liberal and National parties that had suggested and been pushing hard for this ban in the Australian Parliament since March 2023, right?

Unanimous support from both Labor and the LNP. Certainly not a leftist idea.

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Bad HaircutToday  12:26 pm JST

If they're gong to do that, they should also ban the communist hammer and sickle and the communist red star. After all, they sympbolise a political system that's been responsible for even more death and destruction that what the Nazis wreaked, and continues today with very little if any criticism by public institutions.

Communism has positive inspirations and roots, envisioned by Marx and Engels. The hammer (industrial labor) and sickle (agriculture) signify a classless world utopia where nobody is ever in need. It has roots in socialism and democracy - positive roots. Problem is, when Lenin first established it in 1917, he twisted and warped it up into something very grotesque and ugly. Marx's vision has never been come to light. The Cold War and the CCP have shown that it's a lie. Very few people embrace Communism anymore because its track record and history has pretty much discredited it.

Fascism OTOH is based on nothing but hatred, violence, superiority + inferiority, discrimination, bigotry, oppression, war, extermination and a personality cult centered around a scumpot dictator (although some Communist regimes have that too, like NK). Fascism has zero positive roots, motives, inspirations. It is nothing but hatred and violence right from the start. It has no place whatsoever in a democratic society.

Good going, Down Under! Keep up the good work of taking out the trash!

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It’s easy to say because it is common sense, I like to think about things and I don’t get riled up or scared by my imagination.

That's interesting, because "common sense" is not a trait typically associated with the politic spectrum you seem to align yourself with, which believes that giving more power and money to political parasites will improve the general living conditions of the population, and blame "The Right" when their endorsements of propaganda, vaccines, crime, censorship, mandates, destruction of history, inflation, open borders etc never actually work.

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The Australian government continues on the slippery slope of suppression of free speech. Precisely the reason the bill of rights exists in the US. Protection from an overreaching government

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Fascism OTOH is based on nothing but hatred, violence, superiority + inferiority, discrimination, bigotry, oppression, war, extermination and a personality cult centered around a scumpot dictator (although some Communist regimes have that too, like NK). Fascism has zero positive roots, motives, inspirations. It is nothing but hatred and violence right from the start. It has no place whatsoever in a democratic society.

Communism is based on hatred as well - hatred of someone who has more, regardless of whether it's earned or unearned, and justifies any means necessary to take it. Hence the violence and murder. So I think fascism asn communism should be treated the same because the result is the same even if the targets of the hatred may differ.

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It looks like White Australia is still alive.

Bizarre comment. The majority of immigrants coming into Australia are NOT white - which has been the case for many years.

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You do realise that it was the right-wing Liberal and National parties that had suggested and been pushing hard for this ban in the Australian Parliament since March 2023, right? 

Unanimous support from both Labor and the LNP. Certainly not a leftist idea.

Cool, now go and tell it to an actual Lib/Nationals supporter. Voting for Voldemort is hardly a step up from Problem Glasses Albanese anyway.

All that those with an objective lens can see is the obvious direction Australian is headed under the Labor/Greens woke dictatorship. From the vibe-based 'Voice to Parliament', to Labor's proposed internet surveillance laws - in which the Government would have the power to dictate what constitutes misinformation - to banning what could very well be an innocuous 45 degree hand wave.

I had hoped the sad state of affairs that is Justin Trudeau's Canada would serve as an effective cautionary tale of how NOT to run an effective Western democracy, but clearly it hasn't.

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So will they now demand that Albanese steps down?

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I had hoped the sad state of affairs that is Justin Trudeau's Canada would serve as an effective cautionary tale of how NOT to run an effective Western democracy, but clearly it hasn't

Any examples of how to run an ‘effective Western democracy’ well?

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Communism has positive inspirations and roots, envisioned by Marx and Engels

Nope. Fundamentally, the only thing Marx’s succeeded in doing was to construct his own Marx-centered religion, leading to the deaths of 110 million people worldwide in the communist democides from 1900 to 1987 alone.

Communism has never worked, and it never will.

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Communism has positive inspirations and roots, envisioned by Marx and Engels

Nope. Fundamentally, the only thing Marx’s succeeded in doing was to construct his own Marx-centered religion, leading to the deaths of 110 million peopleworldwide in the communist democides from 1900 to 1987 alone

Certainly got blood on its hands. Communism, fascism, Christianity have caused appalling suffering.

I still wouldn’t ban their symbols.

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*Nope. Fundamentally, the only thing Marx’s succeeded in doing was to construct his own Marx-centered religion, leading to the deaths of 110 million people worldwide in the communist democides from 1900 to 1987 alone.*

Typical counter-factual one-upmanship from the corporate sponsored alt right.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians

And extra ten million just for fun eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/communists-capitalism-stalinism-economic-model

Add in the transatlantic slave trade and genocide of Native Americans in the "New World" discovery...

Nazism, fascism was more accurately called corporatism, and its defenders and doctrines and symbols are still very much alive today.

https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state

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Back on topic please.

Just ban everything and have a community of elders look at applications for unbanning.

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To ban, cancel, outlaw, call it whatever you like won't solve, rectify, prevent future political extremism, or somehow sanitize the thought process behind/underpinning totalitarian doctrines.

This is the most puerile form of playground gesture politics.

Ban it, then it won't, can't possibly exist

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@Bob Fosse

Why do you think placing restrictions on neo-nazis is ‘stupid’?

Because then my geopolitically challenged friends in the inner cities, can't support their favourite team on facebook anymore.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961

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Satire, political satirists, the art of ridicule, mockery scorn.

To confront challenge in harsh contempt is the most effective course of action.

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What next banning "Degenerate Art"

https://www.dw.com/en/how-the-nazis-used-poster-art-as-propaganda/a-55751640

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If large organizations can't recognize symbols before they post them online, who is to say, what photos one may post, that contain something similar and get one a 12 month prison term?

Will people in large organizations be held to the same contempt?

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-soldiers-apparent-nazi-symbol-tweet-1686523

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Gotta keep that "Jews under attack" narrative ongoing to keep support for Israel.

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Anti-left and anti swastika ban, sums up a fairly contemptuous personality trait.

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You mean the Union Jack?

Sometimes known as the Butcher's Apron.

To stick your arm straight up (to greet a friend) is fine. 

To stick your arm straight out (to pat the head of a child or large dog) is fine.

But something roughly in between that will land you a 12 month prison sentence.

I haven't been able to find the actual wording of the law, but it seems Victoria already has such a law in place and I understand it includes a condition that the perpetrator knows or ought to reasonably know that the gesture is a Nazi gesture. Raising your arm to greet a friend is fine. Standing outside a synagogue with your arm raised is a different matter. I think a jury can determine whether it was a hateful gesture or not.

Oddly, I once found myself making a similar gesture at a sports event in a Japanese town in the 1990s. At the opening ceremony, all participants met up at a sports field and we paraded around. As we passed the group of officials, everyone raised their right arm. I blindly followed suit, and realized later what it must have looked like.

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If large organizations can't recognize symbols before they post them online, who is to say, what photos one may post, that contain something similar and get one a 12 month prison term?

Read the article before you get any further bent out of shape. This rule is targeting racists, not someone waving to their friend or watching the history channel. There is a trial system. Do you think innocent people will be locked up for a year? Do you think?

Getting upset over tougher restrictions on neo-nazism is as pathetic as getting upset over Barbie.

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Do you think innocent people will be locked up for a year?

Unfortunately, Yes - I think many innocent people will get caught up in this stupidity.

As someone who has worked for this Government, I know how incompetent they can be.

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Are nazi collaborators, their flags and symbols banned too?

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Do you think innocent people will be locked up for a year?

Unfortunately, Yes - I think many innocent people will get caught up in this stupidity

Again, read the article. Especially the final sentence.

Your problem is you dislike the government and it has forced you into the position of having to defend neo-nazism.

It’s not a good look.

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Hats off to Australia

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Hats off to Australia for launching their own denazification campaign.

Long overdue.

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Your problem is you dislike the government and it has forced you into the position of having to defend neo-nazism.

This isn't even an issue.

I have not defended neo-nazism at all in the things I wrote above. In fact I think they are ridiculous.

Not least as the Nazis used to ban symbols of groups they didn't like and the neo-nazis are likely to do the same. Fascists are wannabe social controllers. State and Corporatism working in synergy.

Any Government banning symbols or books or people - should be disliked for this reason.

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