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Australia expands 4th COVID dose rollout amid fresh Omicron threat

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You're not going to catch me getting a third dose, let alone a 4th. Where will this end? Two doses a year for the rest of our lives? Not a chance.

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Keep jabbin' for freedom guys n gals, you'll reach the promised land one day!

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a steady rise in hospital admissions fueled by the highly transmissible new Omicron subvariants, BA.4 and BA.5.

they could lead to more hospitalizations and deaths

Which means that the vaccine No 1, 2 and 3 do not protect us now from getting hospitalized.

What a useless vaccine!

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You're not going to catch me getting a third dose, let alone a 4th. Where will this end? Two doses a year for the rest of our lives? Not a chance.

Boosters are indicated as long as they have a demonstrated role in decreasing the risk from covid. You can choose between being vaccinated or being at a higher risk of disease, complications or death.

Keep jabbin' for freedom guys n gals, you'll reach the promised land one day!

The vaccines are already producing their effect, greatly decreasing the risk of the vaccinated people, there is nothing to "reach" the results are already visible.

Which means that the vaccine No 1, 2 and 3 do not protect us now from getting hospitalized.

The actual conclusion is that they do protect the vaccinated people, just not to a 100%, exactly the same as everything else in medicine.

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The article clearly says,* it battles a steady rise in hospital admissions *

How is that possible if the vaccine No1, 2 and 3 are still working properly?

Yes, I agree that it never works 100%, but it seems that it works now probably just 5% or in other words much much lower than 100%.

Because otherwise there will be not a steady rise in hospital admissions.

Even if the vaccines would at least works, let me say 50%, there would not be a steady rise in hospital admissions..

And they are not only the unvaccinated people, who are in hospital, because if so, they would recommend that the unvaccinated people should go and take at least their 1st shot, and not like the article says, expand the roll out of the fourth shot.

They expand the roll out the fourth shot, because the No 1, 2 and 3 shot stopped working properly.

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The article clearly says, it battles a steady rise in hospital admissions **

How is that possible if the vaccine No1, 2 and 3 are still working properly?

The article clearly respond to that question even on the text you already quoted.

...fueled by the highly transmissible new Omicron subvariants, BA.4 and BA.5.

Going again with the example of the seat belts, if in a country every year you have 20% more drivers, then you are going also to have more accidents and more deaths.

Does this mean seat belts and airbags are useless? According to you the increase can only happen if the measures are worthless, right? if they had any value there would not be a steady increase according to you.

This is obviously not the case.

And they are not only the unvaccinated people

That is still because nothing in medicine works to a 100%, your problem is thinking that if something is not working to a 100% efficacy that means it is 0% effective, which is not logical nor true.

They expand the roll out the fourth shot, because the No 1, 2 and 3 shot stopped working properly.

No, they expand the roll out because the fourth shot still decreases the risk on the people being boosted, that in no way indicates the previous ones were useless as you mistakenly conclude.

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We seem to get more information and detail on a daily basis than what's happening regarding covid in Australia than here in Japan.

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Which means that the vaccine No 1, 2 and 3 do not protect us now from getting hospitalized...

Dawn of realization is finally kicking-in, your healthy immune system is what will protect you, now If the immune system has gone south, then the vaccine will only temp delay but will not protect from hospitalization..

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Well, they can't be too concerned about the virus and who has and hasn't been jabbed. As of yesterday, the federal government is not requiring visitors from overseas to declare their vaccination status on entering the country.

This is one of the few good government decisions that has been made of the last 2.5 years in any form. Never expected it to come from a Labor government, but credit where it's due. That means those of us with our immune systems still intact can now go home and visit family without having to go through the ridiculously extortionate quarantine system that would make a trip home unaffordable and unviable.

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Keep jabbing like Covid has taken over the world.

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Australia, among the most heavily vaccinated countries against COVID

Correlation is not causation, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception (or something like that).

Groucho Marx

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Guess I will line up for my shot while we’re here as who knows when we will get our next one in Japan and will it be the elcheapo outdated version.

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You're not going to catch me getting a third dose, let alone a 4th. Where will this end? Two doses a year for the rest of our lives? Not a chance.

For many it already ended.

But at least you already had two

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What a useless vaccine!

So you don't think now that the vaccine has helped you and is helping you.

Anyway it's good that you were already jabbed before the antivax rhetoric took hold of you.

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No one except the hypochondriacs will be lining up for it though! Everyone has had enough of the scare campaigns and most have had Covid by no wso they realise the scare mongering by the media for what it was!

Why get a 4th dose of a “vaccine” that doesn’t work?? Made for the alpha variant which is no longer around…

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So, to what extent do the vaccines help?

No answers on that or extremely vague at best!

The virus is always mutating and is always ahead of any vaccine that any company is putting out there

Why isn’t it the case that my immune system that has already beaten off Covid without any help from a vaccine needs to

be repeatedly vaccinated?

Well, it doesn’t and it isn’t going to.

The time for panic is over and until I see dead bodies in the streets I won’t be falling for the manipulation and lies….

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Elvis is hereToday  04:29 pm JST

Because the vaccine effects are waning? As they do over time.

you mean like in 1-2 months?? Not much of a “vaccine” then is it…

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So many people here seem to have doctorates in medicine. Lucky we can read their gems of knowledge and advice.

The elephant in the room is long covid.

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> So many people here seem to have doctorates in medicine. Lucky we can read their gems of knowledge and advice. 

The elephant in the room is long covid.

No!

No, not at all.

However, don’t you think that it’s time for people to

start looking around and to start to

believe what they see with their own eyes?

We’ve been manipulated -that much is evident by now or don’t you get out much?

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Made for the alpha variant which is no longer around…

That's an admission that at least before you believed it works.

Good job

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Yeah, keep believing and keep those arms up for your next jab!

Oh, no need to go out either-inside is a safer place!

Keep believing!

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Australia said on Thursday it would expand the rollout of the fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccines from next week as it battles a steady rise in hospital admissions fueled by the highly transmissible new Omicron subvariants, BA.4 and BA.5.

It will be available to everyone?!?!?

From Monday, people aged above 30 will be eligible for the fourth dose, Butler said, after Australia's immunization advisory group updated its recommendations.

Oh, and how did they come up with the age 30?

In the US, pharmacy companies are being advised to modify the coming boosters; does it make sense to take a 4th shot of the current vaccine when BA.4 and BA.5 are evading it so effectively? Probably no.

After largely containing the virus through tough border restrictions and snap lockdowns earlier in the pandemic, Australia began living with the virus late last year through a staggered easing of curbs after higher vaccinations.

Sounds like another country had success with lockdowns. But since it eased the restrictions the infection and related death rates have skyrocketed.

That is still because nothing in medicine works to a 100%, your problem is thinking that if something is not working to a 100% efficacy that means it is 0% effective, which is not logical nor true.

This is of course a claim with no actual evidence to back it up, made by a non-medical professional.

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The time for panic is over and until I see dead bodies in the streets I won’t be falling for the manipulation and lies….

You don't have to understand ,seems it will be really difficult.

Just listen to the advice of your doctor.

If you don't believe your doctor anymore then thats just so unfortunate, surely you can't trust them about other sickness, diseases anymore

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Never had a single jab or test and I've never felt better, but live and let live.

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So many people here seem to have doctorates in medicine. Lucky we can read their gems of knowledge and advice.

The elephant in the room is long covid.

Oh, two much bigger elephants in the room are vaccine adverse effects and the fact that they are still refusing cheap, safe, and effective repurposed drugs.

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ianToday  07:13 pm JST

The time for panic is over and until I see dead bodies in the streets I won’t be falling for the manipulation and lies….

You don't have to understand ,seems it will be really difficult.

Just listen to the advice of your doctor.

If you don't believe your doctor anymore then thats just so unfortunate, surely you can't trust them about other sickness, diseases anymore

Well, my doctor never pushed the issue when I asked him about it. He said it's up to the individual - not a particularly Japanese attitude I must say - and I'm happy he thinks like that.

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Well, my doctor never pushed the issue when I asked him about it. He said it's up to the individual - not a particularly Japanese attitude I must say - and I'm happy he thinks like that.

That's great! You made a decision with your doctor

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@ian

Just listen to the advice of your doctor.

You think?

When I had Covid, I didn’t have the need to

see any doctor-there you go…

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Dawn of realization is finally kicking-in, your healthy immune system is what will protect you

If that were true it would the vaccinated would not have a much better survival compared with unvaccinated people, this fact proves that being vaccinated is less risky than just blindly trusting your immune system.

That means those of us with our immune systems still intact can now go home and visit family without having to go through the ridiculously extortionate quarantine system that would make a trip home unaffordable and unviable.

Unvaccinated people are less likely to have an "intact" immune system, the viral infection comes with specific proteins made to interfere with the immune system.

No one except the hypochondriacs will be lining up for it though! 

there is no need to be hypochondriacs to listen to the experts when they show evidence that a booster reduces the risk, being rational is enough.

Why get a 4th dose of a “vaccine” that doesn’t work??

Mostly because the vaccines do work, according to every recognized institution of science or medicine in the world that clearly say you are mistaken.

So, to what extent do the vaccines help?

Do you mean reducing the risk of hospitalization, complications or death is not something you consider helping?

The virus is always mutating and is always ahead of any vaccine that any company is putting out there

And yet vaccinated people do much better than unvaccinated people, which mean the virus is still behind.

However, don’t you think that it’s time for people to

start looking around and to start to

believe what they see with their own eyes?

So you think biased, uncontrolled, undetailed information you collect by yourself is to be trusted while information coming from millions and millions of patients must be wrong?

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Haha fine by me your decision

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Sounds like another country had success with lockdowns. But since it eased the restrictions the infection and related death rates have skyrocketed.

All countries have their cases skyrocket with the introduction of the delta and specially omicron variant, that also includes China, so according to you they eased the restrictions?

This is of course a claim with no actual evidence to back it up, made by a non-medical professional.

Can you prove the opposite? and again you making blind guesses about what other people commenting here do or are are just baseless speculation, and betray a complete lack of actual arguments to defend your point.

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All countries have their cases skyrocket with the introduction of the delta and specially omicron variant, that also includes China, so according to you they eased the restrictions?

You admit the lockdowns work. You finally learned from me.

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Oh Raw Beer. So 2020. Z!

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You admit the lockdowns work. You finally learned from me.

So according to you the Chinese lockdowns worked by making the cases skyrocket? that is deeply irrational. Lockdowns lost all their use with the variants which is why no international expert currently recommends them and instead the best current way to reduce transmission is vaccination.

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@Virusrex

Do you mean reducing the risk of hospitalization, complications or death is not something you consider helping?

How about answering the question instead of sidestepping the question?

It is well known that the risk of death from infection is A) dependent largely on age ie the older the individual the more risk. B) Comorbidities.

Less than one percent of infected die from Covid.

I am not opposed, as I have often stated, to anyone taking the vaccines (it’s your choice) but certainly mandatory vaccines, yes.

The one size fits all, aggressive expensive vaccine promotion and the complete silence from the mainstream as to preventative vitamin supplementation etc has been the kicker for me…

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Excellent news.

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How about answering the question instead of sidestepping the question?

How is a list of the benefits sidestepping the question preventing more than half of the deaths of a country that even has lagged importantly is a huge advantage

https://www.ashepostandtimes.com/lifestyles/health/vaccinations-cut-u-s-covid-deaths-by-58-study/article_2ff1756e-b656-52d8-82c0-994326e3d7c5.html

It is well known that the risk of death from infection is A) dependent largely on age ie the older the individual the more risk. B) Comorbidities.

No population is except of risk from covid, if the vaccines have a demonstrated benefit it means they can reduce those risks, that include death.

Less than one percent of infected die from Covid.

The same happens with polio, so according to you the polio vaccines are also worthless?

I am not opposed, as I have often stated, to anyone taking the vaccines

You should not be opposed either to correcing false or misleading information, because that can make people choose incorrectly thinking they are acting rationally while instead they are following misinformation.

Vitamin supplementation for example has no benefit for anybody that already has adequate levels, and depending on the "mainstream" for medical decisions when correct and precise information is readily available from multiple sources would be a much bigger problem than hoping that mainstream to include every detail you personally consider important.

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Oh, two much bigger elephants in the room are vaccine adverse effects and the fact that they are still refusing cheap, safe, and effective repurposed drugs.

No such thing, the adverse effects are a tiny minority compared with the risk from not being vaccinated, and the repurposed drugs already demonstrated to be useless against covid, even if used before the infection. Thinking that all institutions of science and medicine in the world are in a conspiracy to declare this is not a rational position to take.

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sigh....get vaccinated or don't it's up to you...but burying your head in the sand and repeating the same mantra that's it a conspiracy/flu/vaccine don't work ect won't change the reality of long covid or death.

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No such thing, the adverse effects are a tiny minority compared with the risk from not being vaccinated,

This study (and many others) says otherwise: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

"The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively)."

and the repurposed drugs already demonstrated to be useless against covid, even if used before the infection.

Very effective if used properly.

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This study (and many others) says otherwise: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

The study you referenced have been already heavily criticized for flawed methodologies that would put a first year postgraduate student in shame,

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dont-do-this/

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/06/29/peter-doshi-vs-covid-19-vaccines-the-latest-round/

In short the paper results are based on re-analyzing subsets of information, ignoring every subset where the results are not what you want and only including the subset where the author finally found something they like, then present this subset as if it was the only thing analyzed. This invalidates the results by design.

That and invalidly comparing between two very different things and pretending they are the same, so if for example one vaccinated person gets high fever, elevated coagulation factors and abnormalities in the ECK it is counted as three events, but if a coronavirus patient get all these it is counted as one single hospitalization. Magically the vaccine became 3 times more dangerous by doing this.

Very effective if used properly.

Not according to hte scientific consensus, in fact none of the well recognized medical or scientific institutions of the world support your personal belief, completely ineffective no matter how they are used, just increase the risk for the patients because of their known toxicities.

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One million dollars a second for drug companies.

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kurisupisu

The one size fits all,

Not at all. But we know what works and what doesn't. There is no point in using drugs that don't work.

aggressive expensive vaccine promotion

Kinda has to be because there is so much misinformation out there, people are deluded out of getting a vaccine that could save their lives.

and the complete silence from the mainstream as to preventative vitamin supplementation etc has been the kicker for me…

Mainly because vitamin supplements are completely useless in fighting Covid.

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Raw BeerJuly 8  12:46 pm JST

This study (and many others) says otherwise: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

Sounds like not all the experts are in agreement.

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Sounds like not all the experts are in agreement.

Well, obviously those that are mistaken and making invalid studies are not exactly worth paying any attention, there will always be those that are so poorly prepared (or have interests different than finding what is happening) that they will put forward mistaken ideas and conclusions, Science advance by correcting those mistaken people.

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or have interests different than finding what is happening

Like the meme says: 97% of scientists agree with their funders, and the remaining 3% are banned.

But seriously, why do you automatically accept criticisms of a study. Has the study been retracted?

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Like the meme says: 97% of scientists agree with their funders, and the remaining 3% are banned.

All around the world, with every single institution that deals with the topic? simply not a believable proposition, specially because their own families are supposedly being damaged. Only people that could consider doing this for money think this could ever be common, for most people it is obviously impossible.

But seriously, why do you automatically accept criticisms of a study. Has the study been retracted?

Well, the article has not even been accepted, to be retracted first it needs to be reviewed and accepted, which does not seem to be likely seeing how defective it is.

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About 4,000 people are currently in hospitals in Australia suffering from COVID, the biggest count since early February, authorities said, when Australia endured its previous significant Omicron outbreak.

Australia was doing well keeping infections and hospitalizations down when it was in lockdowns,

As per the article:

largely containing the virus through tough border restrictions and snap lockdowns earlier in the pandemic

But after easing restrictions, the infections and related deaths are zooming out of control.

Even the WHO, an agency, not a health authority, which has been pushing for wealthier nations to share their vaccines with poorer countries (sorry--the world is not a communist entity) recognizes that the actial health authorities should make the medical decisions related to vaccones:

Take all COVID-19 vaccine doses recommended to you by your health authority as soon as it is your turn, including a booster dose if recommended.  

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

In Australia, the decision for the 4th vaccine was made by the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI).

Well, obviously those that are mistaken and making invalid studies are not exactly worth paying any attention, there will always be those that are so poorly prepared (or have interests different than finding what is happening) that they will put forward mistaken ideas and conclusions, Science advance by correcting those mistaken people.

Obviously a non-scientific opinion advances nothing scientific.

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Remember those days when we would have been told how many of the 4000 people are unvaccinated and the answer would have been said to be 99%?

we don’t hear that anymore, wonder why??

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