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Australian city of Perth to enter snap 3-day lockdown

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Another indication that this disease is now like any normal endemic disease and these bespoke measures will never be foolproof.

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People working in the hotel have obviously carried the virus in...

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transmission vectors can never be assumed

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@kurisupisu

Highly unlikely, given there hasn’t been any community transmission in WA for months.

More likely brought from returning international travellers.

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Another indication that this disease is now like any normal endemic disease and these bespoke measures will never be foolproof.

This is in no way indicates the disease is endemic, it simply indicates the same we know well and that is that it is very easily transmitted, that and endemicity are not a fixed set. For a disease to become endemic you would need evidence that immunity in the population is not enough to prevent new cases, low duration of the protection, a wild animal as a reservoir, new serotypes (not the same as variants), etc.

People working in the hotel have obviously carried the virus in...

Or guests are not following properly the protocols of isolation, or cleaning is deficient, or the ventilation system is compromised, etc. As mentioned before, the lack of community transmission makes your explanation very unlikely.

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If he got virus during quarantine then there is a serious flaw in quarantine protocol.

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He brought a contaminated item back with him, and in the last couple of days of quarantine had physical contact with that item and infected himself.

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It is known in small % of cases to show symptoms up to 21 days past infection date. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7816956/

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As research has long found out and published that the viruses (original ones) can survive approximately 70 days in vivo, that’s living or not decomposed organic material like ourselves or even dead corpses, pets, wild animals etc.) , of course two weeks of any measures cannot be sufficient by common sense and logic. A shutdown or quarantine below that amount of time, plus standard deviation(s), doesn’t make sense at all. Learn it or accept the consequences. Very simple and easy to understand, isn’t it?

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Does anyone know how they sequester each incoming cohort? For example if you are on day 14 and ready to roll, but a newbie on day 1 brings in the coronavirus, is there any possible way the earlier cohort could get infected on the last day by the newbie thus ruining his big plans to party?

that seems to be exactly what has happened here: tested negative and so was discharged, but got infected by another positive case within the hotel before he left (not sure what day of quarantine they were on). finally tested positive days later due to incubation period.

they should seal off entire floors for incoming groups, but logistically it'd be almost impossible, given the numbers still returning home or coming into the country. ideally quarantine would be in smaller groups of 10-15 at a fully isolated, self-contained facility--any positive test result and that person is moved into further isolation, while the rest of the group restart their quarantine count from zero...rinse and repeat.

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