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“It will also ensure terrorists who are dual nationals are prevented from returning to Australia and dual nationals who engage in terrorism within Australia can be removed where possible.”

Whereas, single-national Australians can return to and continue to live in Australia.

I suppose the new law would be judged by Australian Court as discriminatory, unconstitutional and thus void.

I think it is better to let them keep their Australian nationality, and to punish them by treason.

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It is discriminatory, unconstitutional and thus void. Dual citizenship should not be a factor in different treatment of citizens.

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Yes just charge them with treason and throw them in jail.Where they can learn to speak proper Aussie and make some really nice new Aussie friends.

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But Brandis told the chamber that such people would be placed “into the hands of the government of the other nation of which they are dual citizens”.

So, what happens if the other country has adopted the same policy and both countries strip the individual of citizenship. Is there a race to see who can strip them of citizenship first?!

Beyond that, it IS discriminatory and DOES create a two-tiered nationality system. I would think this is problematic.

The right approach? Revoke their passport and if they are captured/detained, repatriate them to face charges. And put in place laws to deal with such individuals, such as treason or consorting with an enemy power or some such, try them, put them in prison in the middle of the Outback.... and maybe mistakenly throw away the key.

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But single-citizenship home grown terrorists of the right wing stripe shall be elected to high government office.

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Bravo! Arrest those trouble-makers as soon as they're getting off the plane.

If these screwballs want to go over there so badly to participate in jihady adventures of rape & murder, then don't come back! You're officially toxic trash which no country on the planet wants any part of.

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Sounds sensible.

Ideally a Gitmo style detention centre in the outback would be a great idea too. Keep the bastards alive their will.

The Australian's could turn this into a cash cow renting cells for MadBeards to us bedwetters in Europe that are too squeamish and politically correct to actually do something with these nuts.

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We need that in Japan for the Naturalized ones. You plot against this country being a citizen, off you go!

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The worrying aspect of this is that it seems to go far beyond actual dual-nationals. As I understand it, it also applies to those who could become citizens of another country and not just those who are currently dual-nationals.

In otherwords, it could extend to any Australians who have lived in Japan for 10 years (or 5 years if they have a Japanese spouse) whether or not they have actually decided to apply for Japanese citizenship. Also, to many Australians who might be automatically eligible for citizenship in some obscure eastern European country by virtue of the fact that their great-grandmother was born there, even though they are completely unaware of this.

This seems to be more about politics than actually keeping Australia safe. It'll be interesting to see what the courts say since the government does have a 'naturalisation and aliens' power but does that extend to denaturalising Australian citizens?

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This will only work with countries with which Australia has extradition treaties. Already Iran has refused to accept deportees from Australia. As well, many aspiring refugees arrive amazingly without any passports or documents indicating their nationality---so where would they be sent to?

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Good for Australia! They only need to make one adjustment: revoke the citizenship of ANY citizen if they engage in terrorist activities. There's no need to limit it to people with dual citizenship. If someone's a bad apple,, toss them out!

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If someone's a bad apple,, toss them out!

I'm not generally one for slippery slope arguments, but this one scares me. What makes you think they'll stop at the "bad apples"? If Australia has a problem with jihadists, then it's Australia's job to try, convict, and imprison them in Australian jails.

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FINALLY.

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Good job Australia. Exercise your authority and sovereignty over those "outcasts". So far, so good . . . the boat people have been pretty quiet. Go away. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

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I wonder how the law applies to someone who once had dual citizenship, renounces the non-australian one, and then is found guilty of domestic terrorism?

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Sounds like a good plan-if you want to live in Australia you live within the laws set down by the constitution, dual citizenship is Not a right but a Priveledge.

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throw them in jail as long as you like. However, to strip them of their citizenship is actually against the Geneva Convention of human rights.

My guess is that the Australian government is trying to pass this law as a deterrent. If someone was to challenge it in court all they would have to say is that Australia is breaching their human rights. They would be right.

There was also another problem: how do you determine if someone actually went to fight over there? The only stamp they get is one to Turkey. Does that mean that any Australian who goes to Turkey for vacation is going to get stripped of their citizenship when they come back?

How do you actually determine if they went to Syria? Remember the border between Syria and turkey is very porous. There is no way to know.

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This is a very reasonable thing to do. One of the few things you can really get into trouble with U.S. citizenship wise is serving in the military of a foreign power. That would certainly count in this case, insofar as "chu2byo" can be presumed to represent anything like a state.

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If people have lived in Australia for many years and become radicalized and criminalized as a result of their experiences there, Australia needs to take some responsibility. Taking away a person's nationality and putting him/her on a plane just transfers the problem to another country. There is a strong and vocal undercurrent of intolerance and racism in some elements of Australian society, including some of the political elite. People who harass Muslims in the street and demonstrate outside mosques, and people who pass laws like this, are doing Daesh's work by fostering fear and anger.

There is a similar but less-known issue. Australia has a population of several hundred thousand New Zealanders, who are allowed to live and work there indefinitely under a special visa. Those people work and pay taxes but have recently been stripped of their entitlement to social welfare protection. And if New Zealanders are sentenced to jail for one year or more, even if they have lived there since infancy, at the end of their sentence they will be shipped out to a concentration camp on Christmas Island and then deported.

Australia's habit of tossing people out like garbage is ironic considering its history as a British penal colony.

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