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Awesome!

A reflection of reality.

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I don't understand why Australia had to say anything at all.

This statement, while it merely mirrors the status quo, will serve as a talking point among Muslim dominated countries that may indeed lead to some sanctions and reprisals, perhaps violence against Aussies.

Why I don't know. It does nothing to change anything on the ground.

"This sabotages any real possibility for a future just agreement and further emboldens Israel to continue with its daily human rights violations of Palestinians," APAN president Bishop George Browning said in a statement.

Fact is, Jerusalem will always be a home for the Jewish people until hell freezes over or a nuclear winter, whichever comes first. West Jerusalem has long been identified as the defacto capital of Israel.

We all know this is true and it doesn't serve the interests of the Palestinian people to pretend otherwise and somehow insist Israel leave? Never going to happen.

Maybe, just maybe, it might serve as some catalyst for action in bringing the parties together, although what Australia does is not particularly important in the grand scheme of things so I doubt it.

I would have preferred the Australian government just kept its mouth shut.

While I do support Israel, what do we get from Israel by formally recognizing West Jerusalem as the Israeli capital? Anything? Betting be something down the pipe.

All eyes on Indonesia and Malaysia now.

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Tony Abbot demonstrated Bush-level stupidity while in office; Morrison is now demonstrating Trump-level stupidity.

I agree. It just seemed so unnecessary. No other countries were actively talking about an embassy move until Trump agreed to it. That doesn't mean Australia has to actively consider it or even talk about it.

America doesn't have 200 million Muslims on its doorstep. We do.

Like I say I support Israels right to exist. But I don't agree with everything they do and I also support a solution that allows the Palestinian people to actually have a decent future, rather than the non-existent future they have now in limbo.

At the end of the day, Australia's relationship with Indonesia is far more important than our relationship with Israel. That is just the reality. So again, why do this?

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The citizens of Australia would be well advised to gird their loins and prepare for possible acts of violence on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney, in particular, where acts of Islamic violence have recently occurred, seemingly without reason or justification. Now, some may feel that the justification exists.

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I agree that there's probably no need to make a big statement about it, worrying about what the Muslims might do is taking moral agency away from them. Just because the Australian government recognises Israel's capital to be in West Jerusalem doesn't give Muslims at the individual or government level the right to throw a tantrum or worse just because their feelings were hurt. Like it or not, they need to accept the decision and get on with governing their own countries and stop worrying about what Australia is doing about a state it's on friendly terms with.

And at the individual level, if Muslims living in Australia feel so strongly about it that they simply can't get through the day, they're welcome to migrate to a country where their feelings would be commonplace. But the chance of that happening is about the same as that of celebrities leaving the US because they hate Trump.

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Maybe just ask yourself where a lot of political donations to the Liberal Party come from.

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Seems to me that if one is going to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, then one should also recognize it as the capital of a Palestinian state. Problem solved.

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Wow! Great news! Good on Australia!

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As an Australian, Scott Morrison or his right wing government does not represent me or most people I know. He is a Racist, climate change denying, homophobic moron. This whole idea of the embassy moving was a cheap tactic started to try and win the vote of the Jewish people in one small district a bi-election few months ago when Malcolm Turnbull was booted out on a mutanty.

Australia sticking it's nose in and effectively taking Israel's side is a terrible, immoral idea. America effectively supports Israel holding the palastinines are hostages for life behind a wall. No one in Australia would vote support that. Ashamed..

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This increases the security risk in Australia.

A stupid, pointless idea.

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Vassal state

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This is an ill advised and unnecessary move by Australia that will only serve to inflame an already volatile situation.

Australia should be reminded that Jerusalem is stolen land and that recognizing it as a legitimate capital amounts to giving aid to Israel's brutal occupation and subjugation of the Palestinians.

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Baffling move. I’m not seeing any benefit to this move for Australia.

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Matt Hartwell - I don't understand why Australia had to say anything at all

I guess you don’t know just how many middle eastern people live in Australia. The Muslims have already made threats of violence and terrorism in Australia because of this.

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Either the Mossad has some dirt on someone or Israel has made a deal for some cheap state of the art security or spyware stuff.

Nothing else makes sense.

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@kyronstavic

Just because the Australian government recognises Israel's capital to be in West Jerusalem doesn't give Muslims at the individual or government level the right to throw a tantrum or worse just because their feelings were hurt

Please allow me to point at that this is not a mere matter of hurt feelings, but rather the theft of the Palestinian's land and the ongoing ruthless occupation by the Israelis which will be aided by this senseless decision by the Australians.

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The unholy alliance of the USA, Israel and Saudi Arabia, responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands in Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and on and on has just added a junior member. Australia. Welcome Australia to the Axis of Terror.

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Slogan ScoMo and Dudhead Dutton are a threat to Australia by following the orders of their US masters in Washington. We vote for Australian politicians but get US puppets. We have become the 51st state of the US. Bring on the elections.

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Good to see Australia taking a stand against the ant-Semitism that is so prevalent on the progressive left these days.

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@Concerned Citizen

Please allow me to point at that this is not a mere matter of hurt feelings, but rather the theft of the Palestinian's land and the ongoing ruthless occupation by the Israelis which will be aided by this senseless decision by the Australians.

You're welcome to point out whatever you like, but the fact remains that Israel is recognised as a legitimate state. And the complexities of Middle East politics go well beyond a level anyone on this forum could honestly say they deeply understand. If you go back far enough, Israel has some legitimate historical claim to the land that began well before Islam even existed, as do the Palestinians, but where to draw the borders in the modern era is a conundrum that seems as impossible as ever to resolve. Especially thanks to Jerusalem's status as a holy city for three major belief systems.

Don't forget that the different tribes of the region have been at each others' throats without even considering Islam as the central issue - it was under the control of the Ottoman Turks for hundreds of years, Palestine included. That doesn't necessarily discount the Palestinians' claim to some of the land, but they certainly haven't controlled it any more than the Israelis have so their claim to it as a state of Palestine holds as much water as Israel's but no more. And those Muslim countries in the region are all deeply suspicious of each other, a feeling that transcends their attachment to Islam and is a key reason why they've never been able to smash the tiny state of Israel, US help for it notwithstanding. They had each other almost as much as they hate Israel. From a distance the other Muslim countries and Muslims might show solidarity with their brothers and sisters in the ME, but that's only one aspect of this puzzle. The crazies blowing up themselves and anyone within range in places like Australia and Europe etc is utterly unforgivable and only hardens the resentment and distrust of Islam in the West, and appeasing them is pointless because they are irrational - you can't negotiate with them.

And the ones calling for unrest and violence are just childish ingrates happy to take the the material comforts and welfare security of the West while maintaining allegiance to Islam to the point of wanting to destroy their host countries. If Islam is that important to them, why don't they leave Australia, France, England etc and (re)settle in the ME or Pakistan or wherever, and live in a culture where they fit right in? Aside from Jews migrating to Israel, not too many Westerners pack up and move to the Muslim ME countries.

Care to guess why?

Now, it's arguable whether Australia needed to make an issue of it, although the recent by-election for Turnbull's old seat had a lot to do with it - though now he's gone the point is pretty moot.

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At least the diplomats for now don't have to leave the pleasant city of Tel Aviv for the awful hole that is Jerusalem.

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I Have just sent a message to the Prime minister of Australia voicing my opposition to his announcement as an Australian citizen. I have requested he retract his statement and stop any support for Israel until they show genuine attempts to get a fair and equitable two state solution. I have also advised him that I will now vote against his government in the next Federal election.

It is an utter disgrace, and an affront to most Australians who support a two state solution based on being fair and just. Not on Israel being dominant and doing as it pleases to Palestinians when ever the mood hits them.

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Please allow me to point at that this is not a mere matter of hurt feelings, but rather the theft of the Palestinian's land and the ongoing ruthless occupation

Of course, it's not that simple. Otherwise we would have resolved this decades ago. The Palestinians never rose up when their land was fully part of the Ottoman caliphate for centuries. The Ottomans were on the losing side in WW1, and just like the Germans, they lost land to the victors of that war. The Palestinian refusal to recognise the consequences of that loss, the legitimacy of the mandate or the results of subsequent losses of territory in disasterous wars with Israel is a major roadblock to peace. It would be like Germans today claiming that the Polish corridor was stolen by the Poles or that South Tyrol was stolen by the Italians. At some point you have to take responsibility for the poor choices your society has made.

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@M3M3M3

At some point you have to take responsibility for the poor choices your society has made.

Yeah, but then they wouldn't be able to claim victim status, which for some allegedly has far greater moral virtue. I'd hazard a guess that if they did finally get what they wanted, the Palestinians would lose a lot of their support because they'd no longer be oppressed.

The usual suspects would just move on to their next cause. There's no power in being powerful.

@Peter14 -

I have also advised him that I will now vote against his government in the next Federal election.

Are you saying you would've voted for the Libs otherwise? Right...

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Yes.

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The unholy alliance of the USA, Israel and Saudi Arabia, responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands in Palestine,

What abou the Palestinians atrocities?

Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and on and on has just added a junior member. Australia. Welcome Australia to the Axis of Terror.

How so?

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While I do support Israel, what do we get from Israel by formally recognizing West Jerusalem as the Israeli capital? Anything? 

The recognition that Australia is indeed a Western Christian Nation in solidarity with Israel....................................................

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Wow! Great news! Good on Australia

Why?

What abou the Palestinians atrocities?

The Palestinians are freedom fighters. You as an American wouldn't sit still and take 10% of what the Israelis do to the Palestinians.

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Good to see Australia taking a stand against the ant-Semitism that is so prevalent on the progressive left these days

Glad to see you don't let ignorance stand in the way of posting.

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Wow! Great news! Good on Australia

Why?

Because Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel.

The Palestinians are freedom fighters.

Suicide bombers are freedom fighters? Well, I heard a lot of lame excuses, but that one....

You as an American wouldn't sit still and take 10% of what the Israelis do to the Palestinians.

If wouldn’t sit still and take 5% of what the Palestinians have done and continue to do to the Israelis.

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Statistics provided by Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem show that since the year 2000 87 percent of deaths in this conflict have been Palestinian and only 13 percent Israeli. This shows the brutality of the occupying Israelis.

Rather than Australia and the U.S. encouraging this ruthless occupation (ongoing land grabbing, forced evictions, bulldozing of homes, slaughter of resisters) they should pressure the Israelis to concede enough to offer reasonable terms for a viable two state solution.

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Because Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel.

And Palestine.

Suicide bombers are freedom fighters? Well, I heard a lot of lame excuses, but that one....

Oh, you're under the incorrect impression that freedom fighters don't come in all shapes and sizes. I've heard of willful blindness, but that one . . .

If wouldn’t sit still and take 5% of what the Palestinians have done and continue to do to the Israelis.

5% of what the Palestinians have done and continue to do to the occupying human rights abusers (Israelies) is about 0.00001% of what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians.

However, that doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't put up with any of Israel's action sitting down if they were happening to you. Why do you expect the Palestinians to do so?

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@Matt Hartwell

While I do support Israel, what do we get from Israel by formally recognizing West Jerusalem as the Israeli capital?

Australia will get nothing from Israel at all and a whole lot of trouble from Arab nations as well as possible terror attacks.

This decision is a no win for anyone except Israel. Foolish and sad decision.

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And Palestine.

Gaza and the West Bank.

Oh, you're under the incorrect impression that freedom fighters don't come in all shapes and sizes.

Well, they’re doing a bad job at it.

5% of what the Palestinians have done and continue to do to the occupying human rights abusers (Israelies) is about 0.00001% of what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians.

Well, then they shouldn’t try and terrorize the Jewish nation, fly fire kites, send suicide bombers, have knife attacks and thinking they’ll be able to get their own State of they keep the terror attacks ongoing. They’ll never get what they want, it’ll never happen.

However, that doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't put up with any of Israel's action sitting down if they were happening to you.

I wouldn’t do what the Palestinians are doing in the first place, can’t blame the Israelis one bit.

Why do you expect the Palestinians to do so?

Obviously, doing what they’re doing is not helping them, won’t help them, it’s crushing them and will continue to do so.

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