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Australia steps up efforts to prevent youth joining extremist groups

You want to prevent youths from joining extremist religious groups, that is easy, go after the adults who control these fanatic groups.

Jail them, deport them or if need be execute those old freaks and bingo no more problem!

But, as long as the far left extremist have their way there is no way to save children from joining those groups.

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... or their government could try not being the bad guys?

I'm not joking here. When kids read headlines about babies killed by bombings their government supports and Aussie special forces kidnapping innocent people out of their beds... well, it creates a lot of cognitive dissonance. Nobody wants to be the bad guy, and it makes it much easier to see the point of the Jihadists.

So here's an idea Aussie (and USA) Government, instead of throwing money at counter-terrorism, why not stop being terrorists yourselves and give these young people governments and countries they can be proud of. Then they won't be running off to other countries to join the oppressed Jihadists.

I'm not saying the Jihadists are good guys, anyone strapping explosives to children is automatically evil, but in fighting these guys the USA and its allies (Aussie, the Brits, etc.) stepped way over the moral line and became worse than what they were trying to stop.

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I'm sure in your world Frungy the Islamists will stop being able to "recruit" when the US and allied nations just "leave", but the Islamists have their own propaganda that they've been continuously spreading that goes beyond "the west is killing innocent muslims!" In case you don't understand, simply put, they will always find an excuse to continue their bloodshed ideology.

Boko Haram ring a bell? The US has how much dealings with African nations that are under assault? Thailand? India? Phillipines? What about the consistent mass persecution of non-muslim people and apostates in their range??? And yet Islamist groups are attacking people that have nothing to do with Islam nor the "western devil".

Their main goal is to create a core Islamic dominant society capable of overtaking any civilized modern country (oh that's whats happening in the UK and AUS right now isn't it?) and expecting "peace" if everyone is muslim (which we've already seen the results of that kind of thinking on a much smaller scale in Islamic governed countries.) in which you will no longer have any rights that you're currently used to using right now. Read up on the Cairo declaration in which the basic human rights as stated by the UN gave too much equality and rights to everyone, so they had to come up with a separate version for many Islamic governed nations which literally stripped things like free speech (they wanted their blasphemy laws), freedom of religion (Only if you're muslim or plan to become muslim!),

As non-PC as it sounds, I'm pretty sure the only way to stop Islamic extremism in civilized countries is to quite literally ban its practice within a nations borders. Islam has created nothing but problems abroad in it's bid to "validate" itself. And so thanks to it's actions, freedom of religion will be ruined because of it.

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'The Australian' newspaper is Rupert Murdoch's media flagship in Australia, and little more than the mouthpiece for the conservative Liberal Party and its far-right agendas. The right wing Liberal Party under Prime Minister Tony Abbott is extremely unpopular after less than a year in office due its US 'Tea Party' inspired social policies which favor corporate interests to the detriment of the rest of the Australian community, especially the lower (working) classes.

As a result, if an election were held tomorrow, the Liberal Party government would be voted out in a political landslide, and are using fear of terrorists and warmongering in an attempt to scare the population and save their political hides. This cynical attempt to foster a loathsome form of patriotism (Abbott's 'Team Australia') against 'enemies' that pose no threat to Australia, is being assisted by the Murdoch press who are amping up the fear via bogus polls like the one mentioned in this article.

Preying on these same baseless fears, he Liberal Party are also attempting to introduce new legislation that would gag investigative journalism (and whistle-blowers), and give even greater surveillance and arrest powers (and lots more money) to Australia's security and spy organizations. It's a disgusting political travesty.

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HonestDictatorAug. 27, 2014 - 12:56AM JST I'm sure in your world Frungy the Islamists will stop being able to "recruit" when the US and allied nations just "leave", but the Islamists have their own propaganda that they've been continuously spreading that goes beyond "the west is killing innocent muslims!" In case you don't understand, simply put, they will always find an excuse to continue their bloodshed ideology.

Wake up call HD, the US and allied nations have been killing innocent Muslims for the last 50 years. Now I realise that US education in geo-politics extends only as far south as Texas and some textbooks in the US actually also acknowledge that Canada exists (in a "There be Maple syrup" way), but some of us here actually had a REAL education.

In Afghanistan the US set up the Afghans against the Soviets.. and then pulled out and left them high and dry, with the result being hundreds of thousands of dead Afghan civilians. The US gave Israel freaking nuclear weapons and other high-tech equipment that is in no small way responsible for the one-sided genocide that Israel is committing against Palestine, again hundreds of thousands of Muslims dead. Oh, and let's not forget the latest installment, invading Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, and then moving on to Pakistan to rack up a more modest (only a few tens of thousands) of dead Muslims there too.

The Muslims have a valid point!!

And this is why the US and its allies come off looking like such donkey's rear ends, because they try to pretend that none of this is real, that none of it happened and that clearly the ONLY bad people are the Islamic fundamentalists. For goodness sakes, would it kill you to admit that the US government and its allies have been as bad, if not worse, than the terrorists, and the the US government actually started the whole thing about 50 years ago?

Because only through mutual understanding, by taking a moment and stepping back and saying, "Yes, part of this is on us", is there ANY hope for a resolution to all this bloodshed. Of course the US is phenomenally bad about admitting responsibility for anything, it lies and lies and lies and lies, and it just never ends, and it never solves anything, in fact it just makes the whole world a worse place.

... and then you expect global citizens to swallow US lies? That just isn't going to happen, no matter how many newspapers the US buys up and fills with pro-US propaganda. Some of us still have functioning brains.

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" As prime minister, I emphasised to them that the government’s measures are not directed against any particular community or religion—they’re directed against terrorists and potential terrorists,” he said. "

and that is precisely the political correctness so rampant in the West, which makes it impossible to address the source of the problem. As if Jains, Buddhists, Zoroastrtians, Yazidis or Sikhs were signing up to fight a jihad. Ridiculous.

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If we start with the historical blame game Frungy, it all squarely falls on the old European nations and their colonial expansion for the glory of ye olde empires. Without that, there would be no US, no Canada, etc...

We're dealing with the now, the current. Unless you really do want to be held responsible for the decisions of people that are mostly dead and made decisions for your country before you were even born. The more Islamists are recruiting youths that obviously didn't live 50 years ago.

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Abbott is still a puss. He may have some idea about some things, but he is tunnel-visioned and doesnt really see the bigger picture. He is playing straight into the US's lap without really knowing where they are headed. And dont worry there is plenty on the right that see Abbott's left-handedness. And that whole right left talk really doesnt show that youre sitting in a circle, going loopity-loop. On this though with that amount of money, when he is cutting back everywhere else, it wouldnt surprise me if he has his own little army of 'kill'em and get rid of them' thang happening. Which let's face it, if he even said what he really thought, there wouldnt be that many in Australia who could hear the truth. Because theyve been lied to so much-right and left -have both lied so much and that includes Abbott as well.

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HonestDictatorAug. 27, 2014 - 07:57AM JST If we start with the historical blame game Frungy, it all squarely falls on the old European nations and their colonial expansion for the glory of ye olde empires. Without that, there would be no US, no Canada, etc...

Osama bin Laden was alive during the Afghan wars and participated. He was around for the betrayal of his people and it was undoubtedly one of the factors that motivated the 9/11 attacks. This isn't ancient history, the US's pattern of betrayal and manipulation is alive and well in the minds of many Afghans, and thanks to the latest round of drone bombings it is alive and well in the minds of a new generation.

We're dealing with the now, the current. Unless you really do want to be held responsible for the decisions of people that are mostly dead and made decisions for your country before you were even born. The more Islamists are recruiting youths that obviously didn't live 50 years ago.

And this is where you're completely and utterly mistaken. Many of the people from the Afghan war are still alive. A whole generation of Iraqis and Afghans terrorised by the US as recently as 2014 are alive (no thanks to the USA). Your attempt to portray this as ancient history that is dead and buried is in error. The latest events are part of a continuous thread of murder from more than 50 years ago to today.

You can't simply say, "Yesterday is history, so we'll start again fresh today"... and then expect nobody to link the dots when you do the same thing today that you did yesterday. The Muslims do have a point when they say that the US has a pattern of killing Muslims. I don't support their response, but I also don't see how the US left them much option.

In another bout of convenient national amnesia the US seems to have forgotten the events of 9/11 2001 took place in the middle of the US repeatedly attempting to invade and conquer a sovereign Islamic country with the US attempting it from 1990 to 2003. I'd say that after 10 years of the US attacking Iraq on their home ground and killing an estimated 100 000 Iraqi civilians in the Gulf War in 1990/91 alone the 9/11 attacks seem... well, less outrageous.

I don't support the 9/11 attacks, but I also categorically condemn the actions of the US and its allies that lead up to those attacks.

And that's what you don't seem to grasp here HD, that the US government is responsible. It threw the first punch, it then kept on pummeling these countries and then when the bullied kid hit back it tried to pretend it was the victim, while sitting on top of a pile of more than 200 000 Muslim corpses.

This makes the US and its allies look pretty darned evil, and it in no small way contributes to WHY we are seeing these kids sympathising with the Muslims, because the Muslims have a point that the US and their allies are completely unwilling to admit because it would reveal just how monstrous they've been.

A far better solution would be to sit down with some moderate Imams, start with an round of mutual apologies and then look at ways to move forward. Because until the US and its allies come down from that mountain of skulls, which is approaching the half a million mark, and actually admit that they're part of the problem then there can be nothing in the future but more violence.

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Um, Frungy, the vast majority of terrorism is Muslims killing other Muslims. Can you connect the dots on that for us?

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SuperLib - Let's follow that thought for a second. About 3 000 people died in 9/11. Number of homicides in the USA per year about 16 000. Therefore "the vast majority of terrorism is US citizens killing US citizens" (to paraphrase your comment).

As for your statement that the "vast majority" of terrorism is Muslims killing other Muslims... you couldn't be more wrong. The US military (which has the ABSOLUTE lowest figures) admits to 66 000 civilian deaths during the Iraq war. The number of terrorist deaths in Iraq? Well, 2009 was a very bad year and the total was under 1000 (751 to be precise). At that rate for terrorists to kill more Muslims than the US they'd need to keep killing for the next 66 years to just break even with the LOWEST estimates.

In short, you're mistaken.

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Wow, talk about delusional. With free thinking citizens living in democratic countries having that train of thought, who needs enemies. I'm not saying the US military is all sparkles and glitter perfect at their collateral damage (which I'd also love to see drop to 0%), but at least they specifically sit around targeting weddings, mosques, markets, schools , sports events, and holiday gatherings unlike many Islamists organizations that can easily be named do.

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